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retrowire

(10,345 posts)
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:01 AM Apr 2016

it really all comes down to this for Bernie

And this is how we know he's not down and out.

Bernie is doing better against Hillary than Ted Cruz is against Trump, yet the media is still clamoring for how Cruz can work things to win against Trump.

But even though Bernie is doing better than Cruz, the media is convinced that Bernie should drop out.

Theres really no secret that the powers that be desire a certain outcome here.

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it really all comes down to this for Bernie (Original Post) retrowire Apr 2016 OP
ummm no. The voters decided the outcome. boston bean Apr 2016 #1
Low information voters. Broward Apr 2016 #3
There it is. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #6
A failing media, lying Hillary and busy lives Broward Apr 2016 #9
Double down on the racist "low information" bullshit. LexVegas Apr 2016 #11
Racist? People of all backgrounds are ignorant. Broward Apr 2016 #15
Yeah, its fucking racist. "Low information", "Stockholm sydrome", "Confederate states". nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #16
Typical ignorance from the Hillary crowd. Broward Apr 2016 #18
The term "race card" is a right-wing construct. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #20
Why are you backing right-wing Hillary? Look inside yourself. Broward Apr 2016 #23
Why do you use dog whistle terms like "low information" and "race card"? LexVegas Apr 2016 #25
If you're backing Hillary on the issues, you're likely a right-winger. Broward Apr 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author bahrbearian Apr 2016 #24
Wow, you actually called another DUer a racist. B Calm Apr 2016 #17
I've found that Bernie voters are generally lower in information. YouDig Apr 2016 #12
Fact-based? LOL. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #37
not really. retrowire Apr 2016 #21
They want a Corporate Puppet in the Whitehouse. Skwmom Apr 2016 #2
BS is doing better than Rafael? So your whole point is .. "BS isn't losing as badly!!"?? n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #4
We should all ask Hillary to drop out. fasttense Apr 2016 #5
People who make money off of them hereforthevoting Apr 2016 #14
Maybe your guy should just beat her at the ballot box. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #19
maybe your gal should be concerned about her wins retrowire Apr 2016 #22
If my candidate was getting his or her ass handed to them I would like to think I would have ... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #31
except for the proof of all the disenfranchised voters retrowire Apr 2016 #32
The proof exists in your mind. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #34
the proof exists in data that you're willfully denying. retrowire Apr 2016 #36
Just when I want to think you're a reasonable HRC fanatic you say something like this. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #40
No it's NOT fasttense Apr 2016 #28
If my candidate was getting his or her ass handed to them I would like to think I would have ... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #44
Yet, he's losing to her. grossproffit Apr 2016 #7
Bernie is better than Cruz? ... salinsky Apr 2016 #8
Go back and try reading All the words . . . then you "try agian." pdsimdars Apr 2016 #42
It comes down to votes and delegates. And he lost them. YouDig Apr 2016 #10
The Taffy Machine is set on HIGH itsrobert Apr 2016 #13
Cruz is doing better, in a way. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #27
The media has coddled Sanders and certainly have not vetted him. If the "powers that be" wanted a seabeyond Apr 2016 #29
Actually, they have DISMISSED him as irrelevant and impossible which, is even more Hiraeth Apr 2016 #35
Apples and oranges Tarc Apr 2016 #33
Repubs dont do proportional delegates. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #38
Yep That's what we're up against. Orsino Apr 2016 #39
The PTB have been all-in for Princess Weathervane from the get-go. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #41
I find the media completely disgusting. Punkingal Apr 2016 #43

Broward

(1,976 posts)
9. A failing media, lying Hillary and busy lives
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:23 AM
Apr 2016

all contribute to the ignorance of voters. By all means, ignore reality though if you want.

Broward

(1,976 posts)
15. Racist? People of all backgrounds are ignorant.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:30 AM
Apr 2016

It was once commonplace around here to lob the same charge against Repubs. Was that racist?

Broward

(1,976 posts)
18. Typical ignorance from the Hillary crowd.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:38 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary and her supporters play both sides of the race card. Whatever suits their needs. Btw, I know nothing about who you are but in a small way you prove my claim.

Broward

(1,976 posts)
23. Why are you backing right-wing Hillary? Look inside yourself.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:59 AM
Apr 2016

You might not like what you see, but it's best to come to terms with who you really are. Acceptance can be quite liberating.

Broward

(1,976 posts)
26. If you're backing Hillary on the issues, you're likely a right-winger.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:05 AM
Apr 2016

I know that's hard for you to see. Ignorance is bliss and all though.

Response to LexVegas (Reply #20)

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
12. I've found that Bernie voters are generally lower in information.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:26 AM
Apr 2016

Many of them are in college, which is great, but 20-year-olds aren't generally known for their wisdom and worldliness. Bernie is running a more idealistic campaign, but Hillary is running a more fact-based one.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
21. not really.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:52 AM
Apr 2016

There's millions of voters and caucus goers that were screwed out of that right this primary season.

But if Hillary Supporters wanna gloat over a victory in new york like that then, by all means, show us how much you really care about the voting process.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
22. maybe your gal should be concerned about her wins
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:54 AM
Apr 2016

When millions of people have been screwed out of their right to voice their vote?.

Or is it, anything it takes?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,669 posts)
31. If my candidate was getting his or her ass handed to them I would like to think I would have ...
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:43 AM
Apr 2016

If my candidate was getting his or her ass handed to them I would like to think I would have the dignity to accept the result. There are as many excuses as there are losers.

Folks just aren't all that into your candidate.


There is no fraud. The Vermont independent's support in a mile deep and an inch wide.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
32. except for the proof of all the disenfranchised voters
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:58 AM
Apr 2016

That have had their right to vote made more and more difficult by varying events this season?

Wow. You're that in denial? Even Hillary herself talks about it at times, lawsuits have been filed.

Lol anything it takes right?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,669 posts)
34. The proof exists in your mind.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:03 AM
Apr 2016

If there were obstacles to voting it affected both candidates.


Folks just aren't into Bernie...

Go to Bed-Stuy, go to Brownsville, go to Jamaica, go to Hollis, go to the South Bronx, go to Harlem, and actually talk to people there. They will tell you they are not feeling the Bern.


There'a whole world beyond the Bernie internet bubble.


P.S. I almost forgot. Senator Sanders has spent millions on polling after saying they were superfluous. If the actual results differ from his polling in the states he lost he should produce those polls.

aikoaiko

(34,068 posts)
40. Just when I want to think you're a reasonable HRC fanatic you say something like this.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:59 AM
Apr 2016

He has 45% of the pledged votes so far and 43% of the popular vote.

Has is that an inch wide?
 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
28. No it's NOT
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:34 AM
Apr 2016

First the ballot box is rigged. You don't know if your vote is counted or not. There is no way to tell. Then the process of voting is rigged to keep out all but the most fanatical conservative from voting.

Second she and her supporters keep asking him to drop out. The corporate media keeps asking him when he's going to drop out. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Third, we haven't had a real liberal in the White House since JFK and when one finally runs, we all pretend he isn't what he really is. A real liberal unlike Hillary, unlike Obama unlike Bill.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,669 posts)
30. If my candidate was getting his or her ass handed to them I would like to think I would have ...
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:42 AM
Apr 2016

If my candidate was getting his or her ass handed to them I would like to think I would have the dignity to accept the result. There are as many excuses as there are losers.

Folks just aren't all that into your candidate.


There is no fraud. The Vermont independent's support in a mile deep and an inch wide.

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #30)

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
27. Cruz is doing better, in a way.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:06 AM
Apr 2016

Cruz still has a realistic way of winning. Stop Trump from getting 1,238 delegates, and the process is completely up in the air. Cruz can certainly have a shot of winning a contested convention.

Bernie, on the other hand, has no path. The math makes it all but impossible for him to overtake Hillary in pledged delegates, and the supers are NOT going to overturn that result. Therefore, Bernie has no realistic way of winning.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
29. The media has coddled Sanders and certainly have not vetted him. If the "powers that be" wanted a
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:36 AM
Apr 2016

certain outcome as your post suggests, all they would have to do is discuss the facts of Sanders and his history.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
35. Actually, they have DISMISSED him as irrelevant and impossible which, is even more
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:07 AM
Apr 2016

insulting. I welcome their VETTING PROCESS.

Tarc

(10,469 posts)
33. Apples and oranges
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:03 AM
Apr 2016

Cruz's endgame is hoping to force a second ballot where th pledge delegates will be freed. That plus the way the GOP allocates delegates in some states...winner-take-all, 50% of a precinct takes all (e.g. NY) makes any Republican to Democratic Party primary comparisons invalid. It's the only reason Kasich lingers on because he took every single Ohio delegate.

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