# 2016 Postmortem

Related: About this forum# it really all comes down to this for Bernie

And this is how we know he's not down and out.

Bernie is doing better against Hillary than Ted Cruz is against Trump, yet the media is still clamoring for how Cruz can work things to win against Trump.

But even though Bernie is doing better than Cruz, the media is convinced that Bernie should drop out.

Theres really no secret that the powers that be desire a certain outcome here.

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#### boston bean

(36,163 posts)#### Broward

(1,976 posts)#### LexVegas

(5,986 posts)#### Broward

(1,976 posts)all contribute to the ignorance of voters. By all means, ignore reality though if you want.

#### LexVegas

(5,986 posts)#### Broward

(1,976 posts)It was once commonplace around here to lob the same charge against Repubs. Was that racist?

#### LexVegas

(5,986 posts)#### Broward

(1,976 posts)Hillary and her supporters play both sides of the race card. Whatever suits their needs. Btw, I know nothing about who you are but in a small way you prove my claim.

#### LexVegas

(5,986 posts)#### Broward

(1,976 posts)You might not like what you see, but it's best to come to terms with who you really are. Acceptance can be quite liberating.

#### LexVegas

(5,986 posts)#### Broward

(1,976 posts)I know that's hard for you to see. Ignorance is bliss and all though.

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#### B Calm

(28,762 posts)#### YouDig

(2,280 posts)Many of them are in college, which is great, but 20-year-olds aren't generally known for their wisdom and worldliness. Bernie is running a more idealistic campaign, but Hillary is running a more fact-based one.

#### aikoaiko

(34,068 posts)#### retrowire

(10,345 posts)There's millions of voters and caucus goers that were screwed out of that right this primary season.

But if Hillary Supporters wanna gloat over a victory in new york like that then, by all means, show us how much you really care about the voting process.

#### Skwmom

(12,685 posts)#### SFnomad

(3,473 posts)#### fasttense

(17,301 posts)I mean who really wants more wars and corporate trade deals?

#### hereforthevoting

(241 posts)So not me.

#### DemocratSinceBirth

(99,669 posts)That's how we roll in America.

#### retrowire

(10,345 posts)When millions of people have been screwed out of their right to voice their vote?.

Or is it, anything it takes?

#### DemocratSinceBirth

(99,669 posts)If my candidate was getting his or her ass handed to them I would like to think I would have the dignity to accept the result. There are as many excuses as there are losers.

Folks just aren't all that into your candidate.

There is no fraud. The Vermont independent's support in a mile deep and an inch wide.

#### retrowire

(10,345 posts)That have had their right to vote made more and more difficult by varying events this season?

Wow. You're that in denial? Even Hillary herself talks about it at times, lawsuits have been filed.

Lol anything it takes right?

#### DemocratSinceBirth

(99,669 posts)If there were obstacles to voting it affected both candidates.

Folks just aren't into Bernie...

Go to Bed-Stuy, go to Brownsville, go to Jamaica, go to Hollis, go to the South Bronx, go to Harlem, and actually talk to people there. They will tell you they are not feeling the Bern.

There'a whole world beyond the Bernie internet bubble.
**P.S. I almost forgot. Senator Sanders has spent millions on polling after saying they were superfluous. If the actual results differ from his polling in the states he lost he should produce those polls.
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#### retrowire

(10,345 posts)But whatever.

#### aikoaiko

(34,068 posts)He has 45% of the pledged votes so far and 43% of the popular vote.

Has is that an inch wide?

#### fasttense

(17,301 posts)First the ballot box is rigged. You don't know if your vote is counted or not. There is no way to tell. Then the process of voting is rigged to keep out all but the most fanatical conservative from voting.

Second she and her supporters keep asking him to drop out. The corporate media keeps asking him when he's going to drop out. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Third, we haven't had a real liberal in the White House since JFK and when one finally runs, we all pretend he isn't what he really is. A real liberal unlike Hillary, unlike Obama unlike Bill.

#### DemocratSinceBirth

(99,669 posts)If my candidate was getting his or her ass handed to them I would like to think I would have the dignity to accept the result. There are as many excuses as there are losers.

Folks just aren't all that into your candidate.

There is no fraud. The Vermont independent's support in a mile deep and an inch wide.

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#### grossproffit

(5,591 posts)#### salinsky

(1,065 posts)... this is your argument.

Try again.

#### pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)#### YouDig

(2,280 posts)#### itsrobert

(14,157 posts)#### CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)Cruz still has a realistic way of winning. Stop Trump from getting 1,238 delegates, and the process is completely up in the air. Cruz can certainly have a shot of winning a contested convention.

Bernie, on the other hand, has no path. The math makes it all but impossible for him to overtake Hillary in pledged delegates, and the supers are NOT going to overturn that result. Therefore, Bernie has no realistic way of winning.

#### seabeyond

(110,159 posts)certain outcome as your post suggests, all they would have to do is discuss the facts of Sanders and his history.

#### Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)insulting. I welcome their VETTING PROCESS.

#### Tarc

(10,469 posts)Cruz's endgame is hoping to force a second ballot where th pledge delegates will be freed. That plus the way the GOP allocates delegates in some states...winner-take-all, 50% of a precinct takes all (e.g. NY) makes any Republican to Democratic Party primary comparisons invalid. It's the only reason Kasich lingers on because he took every single Ohio delegate.

#### JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)#### Orsino

(37,428 posts)Among many other things.

#### Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)The status quo candidate...

#### Punkingal

(9,522 posts)I no longer watch television "news."