Let me be clear: I am not grieving.

[LWolf]

The repeated posting of an article suggesting that I am? More bullshit propaganda.

I don't give up, so if there were to be any grieving, it would happen after the convention. At that point, I wouldn't be grieving about Sanders, but about the party and the nation. Sanders has done an incredible job, win or lose, and I won't be grieving.

Denial? I don't think so. But then, I see all those who think Hillary Clinton as somehow liberal or somehow a good idea for the nation as in denial.

Isolation? Sure. I'm a Lone Wolf, and have never pretended any differently, since long before I'd ever heard of Bernie Sanders. That's nothing new, and I gave up grieving and accepted it decades ago.

Anger? You bet. I've been politically angry since the 80s. My anger is not about Sanders, but about the way power brokers manipulate and use the 99% to make sure they remain in power, and about the way some of that 99% allows fear to keep them complicit.

Bargaining? With Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party? NO FUCKING WAY. This was the opportunity to do so. If and when HRC takes the nomination, I'm done, I'm gone, and y'all can play party politics without me. There are other ways to add my efforts to effect needed change.

Depression? Sure. Politics in the U.S. is mostly depressing. Sanders has brought hope back into the process for the first time in a very long time. Happily, hope will abide. It doesn't just rest with the WH.

Acceptance? of HRC...just no. Of our corrupt system...no. No acceptance here. I'll be adding to all of that young energy that has been fueling political revolution, and helping them where I can.

I "get" that the article refers to the usual process of working through a primary loss. The author of the article doesn't "get" that this isn't a typical primary season, but a turning point, with more on the line than which candidate is nominated. HRC supporters who keep posting this article? I think you, and they, "get" it, but are desperate not to acknowledge it, and are determinedly attempting to shove the election and the voters back in their assigned, approved boxes in the hopes that your candidate can pull off a win in November.

I don't see that happening, but you do what you have to.

[LexVegas]

1. " I'm done, I'm gone"

Bullshit.

[LWolf]

4. Bullshit yourself.

What, you think you're going to show up and physically enforce my compliance?

You don't have what it takes to verbally bully me into compliance, that's for damned sure.

And you're sure as hell not the god of determining truth.

[Katashi_itto]

6. Well said!

[IdaBriggs]

49. They have eight hidden posts. Always consider the source.

Some people bring joy everywhere they go. Some people bring joy WHEN they go.

Ignore is your friend - it drives them crazy!

[SFnomad]

75. And you have two hidden posts ... so what does that say about you? n/t

[LexVegas]

5. ....

[Katashi_itto]

9. Another Vichy Dem post

[LexVegas]

12. ...

[Katashi_itto]

14. You are funny i agree

[Admiral Loinpresser]

30. Welcome to "full ignore." n/t

[LexVegas]

34. ....

[salinsky]

2. Self-indulgent ...

... navel-gazing bullshit.

How novel.

[LWolf]

8. Bullshit yourself.

There's nothing "self-indulgent" about making informed choices; choosing what path is worth going down, what path is worth time and energy, and what is worth fighting for.

And arrogant attempts at verbal bullying doesn't change that.

[salinsky]

20. Tell us more about how ....

.... you feeeeeeeel.

It's sooo interesting.

[LWolf]

32. If you aren't interested, don't read it.

If Clinton supporters didn't want to hear it, perhaps they shouldn't be posting numerous OPs about it. If I weren't reading, ad nauseum, their/your repeated condescending pontifications about my "grief," I wouldn't feel the need to respond.

But please...keep making my point.

[LexVegas]

13. Yep. nt

[hobbit709]

22. Here's a little music for you

[Aerows]

53. That one you replied to isn't worth

the energy to raise a middle finger toward!

[hobbit709]

54. That's why the sentiment of the song fits them perfectly.

[840high]

83. I did it anyway - felt good.

[brush]

55. Exactly, I mean who cares?

[Katashi_itto]

3. K&R down with 3rd way

[Skwmom]

7. They view progressives as weak so they think they can bully us into giving up.

[LWolf]

10. Yep.

Not happening.

[floppyboo]

71. I like your attitude Lone Wolf.

Thing is, its not 'time' to start looking forward to 2020. For me, the Sanders campaign is all about looking forward and not letting the torch touch the ground. Will the movement be able to radically change the 3rd way that the Democratic Party has become, or will there be a legitimate 3rd party in 2020?

I really don't get why 3rd Wayers aren't tossed from this board for not supporting democrats. They are the real subversives.

[LWolf]

73. I get why.

One only has to look at a site owner's connection to the Clintons.

And you've nailed the choice: will the party move forward with us, or not?

[Stuckinthebush]

11. Sounds like Anger

It's a process

[LWolf]

17. As I said,

for those who have a bit of reading comprehension and intellectual honesty, I sure as hell am angry. I've been politically angry my entire adult life, long before I ever heard of Sanders OR Hillary Clinton, and long before this primary.

That fact isn't a stage of grief about the year 2016 or about Sanders.

[Stuckinthebush]

18. Ok

It'll work out

[Hiraeth]

63. sure it will but, YOU may not be happy with the way it works out.

[Stuckinthebush]

64. I'll take that bet

[Hiraeth]

68. snicker snicker now. but, he who laughs last, Laughs LOUDEST

[Stuckinthebush]

69. M'kay

Keep that hope alive

[Hiraeth]

70. you kill hope and take that away leave only desperation and see what happens. it will not be pretty.

so glad I live in the country.

[salinsky]

24. Someone needs a ...

... hug.

[nc4bo]

31. Fuck it, they'll keep flinging shit and feigning illiteracy and ignorance

No matter how honestly you try to lay it down for them.

Sometimes taking a stand is all you have. If enough people have the courage to do the same......foundations crumble.

It takes courage though and I'm not sure if the spine-gene still exists in our Democratic DNA. It's been slowly but surely bred out.

[LexVegas]

25. You are right. And it is a process that goes in stages. The OP will get over losing. nt

[Stuckinthebush]

27. We've all been there

Seriously. It's a bitch watching your candidate lose. My gods we have all been there! It works out in the end usually.

[DrDan]

15. De nile

[TCJ70]

16. Yeah, I'll vote down ticket...

...but I don't think I can vote for her in November.

[SFnomad]

19. tRump thanks you for your support n/t

[LWolf]

26. And there it is.

The dishonesty that pushes people right into the arms of 3rd parties. The refusal to acknowledge that:

1. Votes and supports are earned, and if your candidate does not earn votes, those voters are not supporting the opponent.

2. Those Democrats, independents, and 3rd party members who choose not to vote for Clinton in November aren't voting for nor supporting the R; they're voting for a 3rd party or not at all. It's not the same thing, and the dishonesty and disrespect meted out to those who don't fall into the party line suppresses the vote, rather than getting out the vote.

[SFnomad]

36. You can delude yourself all you want, but tRump still thanks you for your support n/t

[Zynx]

40. All that matters in an election is the margin between the top two candidates.

Sorry, but that's the truth.

[Codeine]

47. Yep. Everything else is empty posturing

and privilege enacted.

[TCJ70]

41. He does? I didn't get a card or anything...

...how rude. That's not a convincing argument.

[Autumn]

51. It's a lazy throwaway line, it doesn't even cross into argument territory.

It's like premature...blame

[840high]

84. Please tll him "u'll welcome" from me.

If Bernie not nominee - it's down ticked for me.

[nc4bo]

35. Down ticket is the way to go if that's all you can, in good conscious

do.

Down ticket is where the REAL action is. Look for, donate to and support Bernie Dems!

[TCJ70]

43. Agreed! I've already done my research...

...on my choices and everything.

[Joob]

21. Just about done with being a Democrat

Just waiting to see if Bernie wins at this point. Feels like this is a cesspool of corruption and because laws made it legal "It's okay" Fuck that, this isn't Democracy and fuck everyone who ignores it because it has Hillary's name written all over it.

Yes, that's my opinion, and you bet it's the same damn opinion of everyone else who's tired of this shit.

Keep denying it, and Watch the Democratic party fall. Keep suppressing it. And watch the Democratic Party fall.
This is supposed to be the party for the people, doesn't work when you ignore them.

[LWolf]

23. True. nt

[NorthCarolina]

50. Same here. Been a registered Democrat for 40 years

but will be changing my registration to Independent if Hillary prevails. The corporate interests can continue to own both parties, but I won't be part of it any longer. Democracy in America is a complete sham...it doesn't exist.

[Bjornsdotter]

28. Excellent post!

You have described exactly how I feel.

[NCTraveler]

29. Some people truly have difficulty moving through the stages.

It one of the things many need help with. I have in the past. It seems you have been stuck in the anger stage for decades. Anger is an extremely unhealthy and debilitating emotion.

[Alfresco]

33. Stage 1 - Denial

[LWolf]

38. Reading comprehension, honesty, and integrity. nt

[djean111]

45. The more y'all try and trivialize Bernie's supporters by crowing that we are in the various

stages of grief - the funnier y'all get. It looks like just what it really is - facile and cheap theater.

And - bye, no actual discussion of issues from you, just silly and boring and monotonous shots. As if no one would really abhor war and fracking and the Third Way assault on Social Security and crushing student debt.

Psst - those are GOP values, not the values of a Democrat. Pass it on!

[rjsquirrel]

37. You mad bro? Eom

When you have to insist you're not doing something ....

[LWolf]

42. I understand your screen name.

It's hard to stay focused enough to not put a message in the box when it says "eom" in the title, to know whether or not a person you've ever met is a "bro," or to actually see/hear what that person said about anger.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. I will be here for you every step of the way.

[LWolf]

44. Well, this has been fun,

and an interesting demonstration of my point.

I'm going to work.

[nc4bo]

46. Wipe this shit off your shoes and have a great day!

[Lizzie Poppet]

67. I can imagine!

Imagining is what I'll have to do, though: 65 replies as I write this...and I can see 21 of them.

Princess Weathervane's Ostrich Army demands that you haz a sad!

[LWolf]

72. lol

PWOM...

[Faux pas]

48. Kickin'

[Betty Karlson]

52. ^What he said.

[djean111]

56. The stages of grief meme showed up all over the internet, at pretty much the same time.

Bullshit (or brockshit) - paid for by Brock.

This crap, IMO, is the only transparent thing about Hillary's campaign.

[HughLefty1]

57. KnR

Sadly it appears the establishment is likely winning this round which is how they rigged it. They have the power and they really don't like us.

I have no doubt the 99% will have their day and it might be sooner than we all think. I have great confidence in our next generation to not blindly follow the cabal's directives via their bought and paid for MSM like many in our generation were fooled into doing.

[procon]

58. So vain. nt

[hootinholler]

59. Just so you know...

You're not so alone, and this is about where I'm at.

Win lose or draw we need to keep the coalition together.

[LWolf]

62. Yes.

The energy, the bringing people together, the work, it needs to continue.

There is some irony in the fact that, while Sanders encourages us to bring people together, we're not coming together to work for Clinton or her vision or the Democratic Party, but for people. Clinton isn't going to be leading that effort, so if she wins, as is probable (BUT NOT A DONE DEAL), much of the work will happen outside her power structure.

[Demsrule86]

60. He will get out before the convention

He can't win...he has lost. Now he just hurts the country by risking a GOP president with his attacks and delegate shenanigans.

[Sunlei]

61. I'm grateful to Senator Sanders for the voice, organization & informing so many people.

Win or lose, people aren't going to shut-up and 'take it' anymore.

[Cheese Sandwich]

65. Expect Maddow to do a 30 minute lesson soon on Bernie Bros and the stages of grieving

Of course it's condescending claptrap.

[LWolf]

66. They don't seem to understand

how that condescension creates opposition.

[Tarc]

74. Yep, squarely on the "Anger" step

You'll progress soon, no worries.

[LWolf]

76. Blinders

Are they intentional, or not?

Are you really so limited that you don't know that all of those "stages" exist outside of the grieving process? Or are you just disingenuous?

Truly, are you trying to suggest that only those who are grieving get angry?

Because, I pointed out in the OP that you are responding to, I've been politically angry a hell of a lot longer than the Sanders campaign; since long before I'd ever heard the man's name.

My anger is real. It's just the source that you and other Clinton supporters can't, or don't want to, acknowledge.

[Tarc]

77. "My anger is real"

[LWolf]

78. George Harrison: ++

Which is, of course, beside the point.

The source of the anger hasn't been resolved; that's why it hasn't "passed." And, as mentioned, the 2016 primary race is not that source.

[Lodestar]

79. Seems to me that Bernie supporters could form their own party.

It would certainly be more reflective of the diversity of people who
share the common knowledge that our system is corrupt, unrepresentative of
the populace, and angry with the status quo.

[LWolf]

80. We could.

Party or other, if the establishment succeeds in defeating our efforts from within the party, we'll definitely be taking those efforts elsewhere.

[Stuckinthebush]

85. I thought that first but I'm leaning toward denial now

Lots of denial and anger. What does Kubler Ross say about moving back and forth? I think that's part of the model. Interesting to observe, no?

[bbgrunt]

81. Thanks for that, LWolf. I feel the same. The responses

here from the H crowd are shameful, but they get their marching orders directly from their leader. It's clear that the "big tent" third-way doesn't have any room for true progressives

[LWolf]

82. Shameful, but not unexpected. nt