Let's assume Clinton wins the nomination in July.

[shalafi]

Where is she going to get the win in the General Election?

Clinton has several handicaps to begin with:

1) At least 33% of the Democrats are not willing to vote for her in under any circumstance (Bernie or Bust scenario)
2) Lack of support from the largest voting bloc: Indepedents
3) Lack of enthusiasm for Clinton
4) Millennials being ignored by Clinton
5) Black cloud of indictments
6) Republicans HATE Clinton with a passion and will be motivated to vote AGAINST her to win

I'd love to know, as a Bernie supporter, where Clinton will find a way to win in the GE.

[Actor]

1. By having people who care about other people to vote for her thus not voting

in effect for a right wing person who would do untold harm to the human race.

But, if enough people dont care about other people, she could lose.

[rhett o rick]

44. The problem is that those not voting for her don't believe her. They

don't believe she will help anyone but her Rich friends. If you ask people if they would rather have 20 lashes or 50, many will tell you to simply go to hell.

The Conservative Wing of our party have been disparaging the Left incessantly for a long time. Their arrogance and hubris is over the top. Now they have the audacity to shake their fingers at us and demand we fall in line or else. Well they are slow learners. They think that because they are good little authoritarian followers that those on the Left should be also. Sorry but Homey don't play that game.

We've warned and warned that Sanders can beat Trump while Clinton can't. If Clinton loses the General, look in a mirror, don't look at us.

[Actor]

47. If you dont vote for her, I will look only at you.

[JimDandy]

57. You will see a person of fine principles, then. The fault always lies with the candidate if they

lose. This time it is also in the laps of her supporters, because your single job was to support someone electable in the GE and you were warned that Clinton is not.

[Unicorn]

69. Hillary doesn't have the numbers. She never did.

I don't care what happens in the Primary, the GE requires the independent vote or there is no majority.

The independents tried to sign up as Dems to vote for Bernie - they believe in him. Their vote got suppressed and they got to see a corrupt DNC - the reason they weren't Dems to begin with.

They would not vote for Hillary - she is the bought out corporate candidate in their eyes. She embodies why they weren't Dems to begin with. Hillary had already lost the election on the independents when she announced she was running. They would have never voted for her.

Then there's the problem with the party voters. A good portion of Dems will leave the party because of corruption if Hillary gets elected. Do you think they would support Hillary when they just left the party because of her? Bernie unifies the party, Hillary divides it

It's non winnable for her. It never was winnable. She should have not been the 1% candidate in 2016.

Bernie is our only chance to unify but that chance is diminishing fast.

[Actor]

101. It is not only very winnable for her, there is no question that if people are allowed to vote

she would win, the question remains how many millions of black and young people wont be allowed to vote.

And yes, I think Bernie would also win and by a larger margin.

[demwing]

84. Hell, that's going to happen anyway, so where's the threat?

In recent days, Bill Clinton blamed millennialist for the woes of the world. The Clintons have always shat on Progressives, and never taken responsibility for their own actions.

You can only harass the vote for so long before the vote starts harassing you.

[artislife]

88. Now you have co-opted the caring about other people?

Then why is she the Fracking Queen? Why is she for the TPP (I don't believe her last minute conversion) why is she fine with Frankenstein Food like Monsanto, why isn't she wigging out about climate change, why is she not helping precisely where the population who makes under 75,000 a year gets hurt. By that I mean high tuition costs, medical co pays and banking fees. These kids go to broken down schools that have mold, old technology and higher crime. I am not just talking about poor people, but the next tier up as well.

Why is she fine to go into armed conflicts?

She does not care about other people if we go by her actions. So your side does not own this argument in the LEAST.

[Califonz]

2. The GOP nominee

is caught on video smoking crack with Kim Jong Un.

Other than that... no clue how she can possibly win in November.

[Buzz Clik]

11. Hey! Welcome to DU! Haven't seen you before.

btw -- you might want to check the poll numbers.

[Fairgo]

36. Kim Jong Un on crack

That's an image to start the day...

[NurseJackie]

3. "At least 33% of the Democrats are not willing to vote for her in under any circumstance"

[nichomachus]

26. You might want to

save the giggling gif for her impeachment hearings. It will make you feel better.

[rhett o rick]

45. The audacity amazes me. They think they can be rude and still demand we support their

candidate.

[jcgoldie]

70. Good thinking

You should base your choice for president on which anonymous people hurt your feerings on the internets. That makes complete sense.

[merrily]

29. Tell it to Huffpo.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/33-percent-of-bernie-sanders-not-vote-hillary_b_9475626.html

[all american girl]

68. I can't even...............

[JSup]

75. 33% of Sanders supporters...

...is not 33% of Democrats.

[merrily]

79. correct

[uponit7771]

81. +1

[rock]

83. I call your bluff

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/new-poll-says-86-of-bernie-sanders-supporters-will-vote-for-hillary-clinton-if-shes-he-nominee/24192/

[merrily]

93. What "bluff?" Poster, please.

[rock]

95. OK, you got me, I'm the one that's bluffing

For some inexplicable reason, we agree.

[merrily]

100. A post consisting solely of a link is obviously an attempt to bluff.

[MineralMan]

87. Whoa! You quoted the infallible seer, H. A. Goodman.

:mic drop:

[merrily]

91. You flatter yourself. Pick up the mic. The post is about a poll (and I quoted no one).

Even if that were not so, only a minority of DU think nothing he says is of value.

[Firebrand Gary]

51. Bwahahahahahahaha

[salinsky]

4. How's Bernie losing to this horrible candidate???

He must really suck at this.

[NurseJackie]

12. Because establishment something something oligarchs something else conspiracy something something...

... Wall street something else, big pharma something something, rigged something and banksters.

[nichomachus]

27. I get it

The "giggling gifs" are the latest from Camp Clinton. How very junior high of them.

[Kang Colby]

53. +1000 LOL

I must say, NurseJackie, you are one of my favorite DU personalities.



I just wish the brogressives would find something better to do than troll DU, like go sleep and loiter in the city parks for several weeks like they did a few years ago.

I think many of them hate "banksters" because Wells Fargo revoked their checking accounts for too many bad checks.

[uponit7771]

82. Podium Bird sold him out

[mikeysnot]

5. Well we are at least learning why the Dem party

Never went after the corrupt voting machines and voting irregularities since chuck hagel in NE in 1998, Fl in 2000 and so on.

[merrily]

25. Yep.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12777744

[GoneFishin]

54. Yep.

[artislife]

89. This party is only slightly better than the other side

but still pretty deplorable.

[Cali_Democrat]

6. Please provide a link to back up your statement that 33% of Dems

won't vote for her.

Thank you in advance.

[shalafi]

16. Ok, 33% of the Sanders supporters then.

I concede to that.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/accordingtomatthew/2016/03/new-poll-shows-that-33-of-sanders-supporters-wouldnt-vote-for-clinton/

But the questions are still valid.

And not one single question was answered.

[LuvLoogie]

62. He means only 33% of REAL Democrats. You know, Bernie Supporters

And it's turning out that only 33% of Bernie supporters are REAL Democrats. Right Tom? Right Cenk?

[KingFlorez]

7. Sanders supporters overestimate their power to throw the election the GOP

The most angry Sanders supporters represent a minimal part of the electorate like the so-called PUMAs in 2008.

[merrily]

18. Equating Bernie or Bust with PUMA may not be valid. This is not 2008.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280155607

[Lucinda]

9. Dont know where you get your 33% the last poll of Bernie people said 75% will happily support her

No reason to think Indys wont vote for for her if they lean Dem, if they don't, they would have gone for Trump regardless
There is no lack of enthusiasm for Clinton. She has the MOST votes from either party so far this cycle.
Many millenials already support Hillary. The block are not reliable voters, but we certainly welcome all who do vote.
There is no cloud of inditements, except in the minds of hard core haters and the "hope it will happen" folks.
Republicans have been speaking up like crazy saying they would support Hillary over Trump. As will a lot of GOP women who are keeping it quiet.

Hillary will be fine in the GE.

[merrily]

13. Another poll said 1/3 will not support her. Depends on which poll you believe.

[Maru Kitteh]

24. Apparently Senator Sanders does not believe that poll.

[merrily]

33. It's cute when Hillary supporters read Sanders' mind, esp. after they've been proven wrong

about something else.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/33-percent-of-bernie-sanders-not-vote-hillary_b_9475626.html

[Maru Kitteh]

96. Better run go tell Bernie

Maybe you'll get a nice gift basket with some free stuff.

Count on this (bookmark it if you dare): Senator Sanders will do the right thing. He will actively support Hillary, and that number will shrink, because the only miscreant malcontents left behind at that point will be the usual contingent of the TM Perpetually Pure, Band-Wagoneers, Ron Paul voters and other Republicans.

[merrily]

99. Um, huh? Was that stream of consciousness?

[NurseJackie]

15. "He's making it up as he goes along."

[Lucinda]

19. The whole post definitely was! Thanks for the Python!

[pandr32]

38. Oh Gawd--I love that!

My hat's off to you!

[Maru Kitteh]

17. Oh noes. Under the Bus Bernie!

And yes - Not only will she have the presumptive nomination in hand well before July - it will be just fine in the GE.

[Lucinda]

23. Yeppers.

I have zero to none GE worries.
Can you imagine The Donald on a debate state with Hillary?

[Maru Kitteh]

28. Not without laughing.

It's going to be AWESOME. Mr. Maru and I are already working on drinking game words that will be fun but not result in death.

[Lucinda]

32. I will have to read the live blogging here...I dont like to comment

on physical aspects of people much, but his voice and demeanor actually creeps me out. Cannot watch him!
But the word salad, and potential to get knocked off your fanny drunk with drinking games, is going to be epic!

[Maru Kitteh]

46. I don't understand the attraction some have but I wasn't truly repulsed by him until this

[Buzz Clik]

10. All fabrication. Based on nothing at all.

Thanks for playing. The Bernie bots adore you.

[shalafi]

20. So you don't have an answer for my questions?

You dismiss it all as fabrication? Ok, then don't tell me I didn't warn you when Clinton loses to whoever in the GE.

[Buzz Clik]

22. Sure I do: your OP is based on the logical fallacy of a false dilemma and merits no response.

You expect that you can make shit up and generate an intelligent conversation?

[pat_k]

14. People being more turned off by Trump (or Cruz)

That's what I hear many people counting on.

Just as the "people in the know" underestimated Bernie, I fear they are underestimating Trump. The conventional wisdom seems to be that Cruz would make a tougher candidate. So, part 2 of the "strategy" is hoping that the nominee is Trump.

[nichomachus]

21. The Corporatocracy will find someone truly scary to oppose her

And bludgeon people into voting for her out of fear.

However, if they manage to install her in the White House, she will have the lowest approval rating of any president ever on entering the White House -- and things will only get worse.

The minute that she and/or Bill screws the pooch, most of her so-called "support" will evaporate. Everyone except die-hard sycophants and the old PUMA guard will just walk away.

And if the House stays Republican, expect impeachment sooner, rather than later. It will most likely be a one-term (if that) presidency.

[oldandhappy]

30. She will win.

She has won so far. She knows how. I think she will win strongly because if Trump is the candidate opposite, some repubs have already said (I read it here!) they will vote clinton. I am sure she will be the nominee and I am sure she will win. And I will change my registration to Green the day after I vote for Bernie in our primary. Smile. Reality. Thank you DNC and DWS for all you manipulations and control and money grubbing.

[merrily]

31. Moderate Republicans may vote for her if no establishment Republican is nominated.

[The_Casual_Observer]

34. Let's assume Bernie wins the nomination in July

I doubt you have thought that far ahead.

[shalafi]

37. Then he wins the GE

I suggest putting the old style gas mask on.

[JoePhilly]

35. Which states that Obama won will Trump take from Hillary?? ... thanks!!!!

[SDJay]

61. If You're Talking About 2008

I'm worried about or at least make sure solid levels of resources were allocated to the following:

Florida
North Carolina
Virginia
Ohio
Michigan
Iowa
Pennsylvania

I'm not saying all or even any of these would go to Drumpf, but I don't think you can call any of them slam dunks for HRC either.

As I've said a billion times, I will skip happily to the polls to vote HRC even though I prefer SBS in the primary. President Drumpf simply CANNOT happen. That said and has been said even in this thread, he should not be underestimated. He is the King of Bullshitting. He has the ability to bullshit millions of idiots into voting for him.

[Gregorian]

39. And then there's after a win. How's that going to go.

It could all work out. But I think she would encounter obstructionism, depending on the composition of Congress.

[George II]

40. No assumption, it will happen.....and........

1) Even less Democrats will vote for Sanders in the General Election, and Democrats in the House/Senate loathe him
2) More Independents support Clinton than the republican(s), unequivocably
3) Enthusiasm for Clinton? That's a smoke screen to cover for the fact that more want Clinton than Sanders (check the elected delegates and popular vote)
4) More millennials support Clinton than Sanders, oops!
5) NO "cloud" of indictments, that's a right wing talking point
6) Republicans would rather run against Sanders than Clinton, because they know he's an easy mark.

As for "a way to win in the GE"? Sanders needs a way to win the nomination.

PS - welcome back

[insightdeluxe]

41. the black vote

[Tarc]

42. That is the kind of Bitter Betty hate that fades over time

Especially when Sanders himself gets out there to stump for her.

We'll be in here waiting for ya when you decide to come in from the cold.

Maybe with hot cocoa if you'r nice.

[shalafi]

43. Huh?

You still have to rebuild the bridge. It doesn't look like the fire on it is going to burn itself out.

[Tarc]

50. Not our problem

Hillary had to rein in her PUMAs in 2008. It is up to Sanders to do the same.

[shalafi]

66. Your denial just confirms that Clinton burnt the bridge, not Sanders.

[NCTraveler]

48. The same way she is taking the primary.

Campaigning her ass off and telling the people why progressive solutions are the answer to our problems.

[shalafi]

67. Progressive solutions?

[Nye Bevan]

49. How many women will vote for Donald "blood coming out of her wherever" Trump,

as opposed to electing the first ever female president?

How many minorities can Donald "Mexicans are rapists" Trump hope to win over?

It takes a lot more than winning the votes of angry white males to become president.

[RKP5637]

52. Given the way the DNC/DLC/DWS are operating, Trump will likely win in 2016. n/t

[sadoldgirl]

63. Depends on which side knows best how to

manipulate the voting machines.

[RKP5637]

64. Sad, but true. We have become such a corrupt nation. n/t

[GoneFishin]

55. They don't care if she loses. They are conservative Democrats. They are closer to Republicans than

liberals. Their first priority is to make sure the status quo gravy train keeps running on time, and any rightie will do.

[Miles Archer]

58. She can probably beat Trump. If they give it to Ryan, it's over.

Why do I say that? Well, because as you pointed out:

1) At least 33% of the Democrats are not willing to vote for her in under any circumstance

I know I won't, and

6) Republicans HATE Clinton with a passion and will be motivated to vote AGAINST her to win

...and I think Ryan has a much better chance picking up some of the more conservative Democrats who "are not willing to vote for her in under any circumstance." I think they hate her enough to win with Trump, too, but I don't see that as being as much of a sure thing as Ryan.

I understand who Ryan is and what he is, but I also understand the way he packages himself. If it comes down to Clinton versus Ryan, Ryan will win.

[DrDan]

59. it's a problem Bernie will not be facing

[Beacool]

60. And yet she's way ahead of Sanders, not only in pledged delegates, but in the popular vote too.

You conveniently omitted that she does well against Trump in every poll.

[TSIAS]

74. So was Michael Dukakis and John Kerry

Primary results don't necessarily correlate to a general election.

[artislife]

90. Way to throw their catchphrase back at 'em.

[Beacool]

97. That applies to Sanders too.

[Demsrule86]

65. Yes

She will win...there is not nor ever was any indictment coming...a pipe dream of the GOP and their dear friends...Sanders supporters. Republicans also HATE SOCIALISTS WHO WANT TO RAISE TAXES.

[fun n serious]

71. 1 and 2 are a contridiction

33% of dems won't support her? That is a high number.. More like Indy and green party.

Sanders has problems getting the DEM vote not Hillary proof in his losses in closed primaries.

It's more Indy and green who almost never vote anyway... The voter purge was of people who had not voted in over a decade.. they fell off the registration..

[Warren DeMontague]

72. She needs to do better appealing to Millennials, for sure.

That should be at the top of the list.

However, IF she wins the nomination- I suspect she will, but I think we all benefit from a continued, vigorous primary contest and debate- then I also believe Sanders will endorse her, and I believe a lot of the stuff you hear about "party unity my ass" will evaporate the way it did in '08.

I say this as a Sanders supporter, too.

[bvf]

73. I'm assuming nothing.

If I were to assume anything, it would be that anyone with 19 hidden posts would be flagged for review, if not banned outright.

[Marrah_G]

76. I'll give this a shot

1. I think the 33% number is really high. Most people will come around to voting against Trump.

2. I am hoping independants find Trump intolerable and scary.

3. Lack of enthusiasm is a problem

4. Millenials will not be entusiastic. The most you can hope for is loathing of Trump.

5. The Indictments are actually a scary possibility. After the Nom we can't change our collective mind.

6. Nothing we can do about this. They hate her like we hate Bush. Nothing we say can change that.

[DCBob]

77. If the election were today she would slaughter Trump

[Thinkingabout]

78. Weaver stated on Hardball Friday Sanders would endorse Hillary as the nominee,

How many of his supporters follows his lead but realistically allowing a Republican president is a bad choice.

[rock]

80. What a load of crap

Meh. Which is basically all the Clinton detractors have.

[Orsino]

85. Let's not assume that...

...but if/when she does, I think good little Democrats everywhere will sign on, and easily defeat whichever lying, corrupt dumbass the GOP finally makes up its mind to back.

[JTFrog]

86. I wouldn't worry about it. Just keep asking the indictment fairy for those 3 wishes.

Surely he'll show up sooner or later, right? It seems to be the popular opinion around here that it's Bernie's only path to victory.

It's a shame. Why would I want a guy who can't win this on his own merits instead of praying for his opponent to go to jail?

I keep hearing how much people hate Clinton and that there is a lack of enthusiasm, yet she has millions more votes and hundreds more pledged delegates.

[NorthCarolina]

92. She's going to get all the Dem's that voted for her in the primaries

and that's pretty much it.

[onenote]

98. That is utter nonsense, as you must know

Indeed, this thread itself starts with the assumption that 2/3rds of the Sanders supporters will support Clinton. That undoubtedly includes not only Democrats that voted for Bernie (like myself) but also a number of independents-- particularly those with the intelligence to realize what a disaster electing a repub president would be for (1) women's rights 2) minority rights' (3) those opposed to the increased use of torture and carpet bombing (repub positions), and on and on and on.