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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 03:49 AM Mar 2012

Path to 270: Obama's standing in every swing state (March edition)

It's been about a month since I published my first look at Obama's position in the swing states. You can view that post here and compare it to this month's numbers.

We're roughly eight months away from the 2012 election and Pres. Obama has solidified his lead in some states, while overtaking, or tying, Romney in others. The map today is a bit more positive than it looked a month ago, when Obama led Romney 299-224 with 15 electoral votes up for grabs. Even in that map, though, Obama led in enough swing states to comfortably cross the 270 needed to claim reelection.

Each poll is as recent as possible. Because we've moved on to a new month, though, I've dropped polls prior to December. This changed the results somewhat, but not enough to override an Obama lead (you'll mostly notice this in Ohio, which I'll get to later).

So, here's the results from each swing state (I have still yet to add Georgia, Texas and South Carolina - though I may add them if Obama can consistently poll within five points in each of those three states):





The big differences from last month's map comes in Missouri, Florida and New Hampshire. Romney led in all three, now, Obama leads in two (Florida, though minimal, and New Hampshire), while tying Romney in Missouri.

Obama has also consolidated his support in some key Democratic-leaning states, improving on his totals in Wisconsin (by 5.34), Pennsylvania (by 1.97), Minnesota (by 2.75) and Michigan (by 12.05).

Clearly Michigan has swung the most of these states. Obama led by a mere 1.5% last month and now his average lead is 14. This is important because it shows that Obama's margins are realigning with what he saw in 2008. If Obama is going to win Michigan by 14, it only reasons he'll perform at a level needed to carry other swing states - like Ohio, Florida, Virginia and North Carolina.

Of those four, Obama has improved his standing in North Carolina (last month, he and Romney were exactly tied, now Obama holds a .67 lead, which is small, but almost identical to the margin he won the state in '08), and only marginally improved in Virginia (leads it by 2.34). Ohio is one state where his lead has declined a bit. BUT, before you look at this as a negative, realize that I took out two older polls that had Obama up 8 and 3. I'm skeptical of that FOX News poll (and not because it comes from FOX News) because the internals are weird and, as you can see, it doesn't jive with the other polls. Obama being at 38% in the state is the lowest I've seen him in any recent poll, even going back to 2011. But I'm including it because I don't want to be biased and I'm hoping the other polls will average that one out.

In this case, Obama's lead went from 4 points last month to 1.34 this month. But that's with the FOX News poll. Take that out of the equation and Obama's lead bumps up to 2.8. Not great, obviously, but, to put this into perspective, the average polling of the polls leading up to the '08 election (final days), had Obama winning Ohio by only 2.5 - so, again, he's performing at about the level the polls had him in 2008. For what it's worth, he won the state by 4 points.

Don't be surprised if some other polls released in the coming days/week have Romney polling better there. He'll be campaigning heavily in the state right now because of the primaries and I expect, though he didn't see it in Michigan, a potential bump. Just keep that in mind.

With all those averages in mind, here's how the electoral map would look if the election were held today. Remember, I don't do toss-up states - this is a prediction based on the polls on who will win what state. This is how it will be throughout the election period. I don't guess or speculate on who will win in this regard, the electoral map is essentially who's leading in the polls at that given time (even if by a very, very, very narrow margin).

As I said last month, this is surprisingly accurate. I know that sounds unlikely when you're dealing with margins of errors, many states that, in '08, certainly fell within the polling MOE, but, in my polling last go around, I only missed one state. I had Indiana going to McCain. Every other state, the polls were very similar to the final result and Obama did not lose a state in '08 that he had a lead in on election day (again, no matter how small...even if it was .1 percent).

Here is the map:

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Obama: 347
Romney: 181
Undecided: 10
*270 to win

Obama now wins every state he won in 2008 sans Indiana and Missouri, as it was in '08, now becomes a coin flip.

The biggest change, as I've hinted at, was Florida. Romney led Florida by .10 percent last month and now Obama holds a .78 lead. Not quite a dramatic improvement, but that's only 1.02 percent off where the average poll put his lead over McCain on election day.

So, again, Obama is polling roughly around the same place he was at the end of the '08 election. That's good news. It means, if the economy continues to improve, he can significantly improve on his leads in some of these states. But these states are considered swing states for a reason. There is the possibility, like four years ago, these major states go to Obama by a narrow margin.

Ultimately, what we can take away from this map is that, once again, Romney still doesn't come close to the 270 needed to win. He's almost 100 electoral votes short and his path to gain those 100 electoral votes aren't just tied to Ohio & Florida, as was the case for Bush in '00 & '04. He can't afford to lose Missouri...or Virginia...or North Carolina...or a grouping of Colorado/Nevada/New Mexico.

The latter is important because those three states are either strong Obama (New Mexico), likely Obama (Colorado) or lean Obama (Nevada). That doesn't account for Arizona, where Romney's average lead is now just 3.67 percent. Obama could theoretically lose Ohio, Florida, Missouri, Virginia and North Carolina, but with wins in those three states, still win the election.

That's important more than anything. As much as we fixate on Ohio/Florida, those states aren't must-wins anymore. They were eight and twelve years ago, but today, they're only states that will positively end any chance of a Republican victory. I think Obama will win both, but he doesn't need to and that's always a good feeling. He also doesn't need to win Virginia or North Carolina.

Of course, there are also states Obama can't lose. Pennsylvania is just as important to an Obama victory as California. But it's good to see his lead there, in probably the most right-leaning Democratic state, at now five points (as opposed to just three) and it's growing.

So, heading deeper into the month of March, Obama is in a good position to win reelection comfortably. A lot can change and we've still got eight months until votes are cast. But for the time being, Romney's losing ground and Obama is recapturing the same voters who went to him four years ago.

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Path to 270: Obama's standing in every swing state (March edition) (Original Post) Drunken Irishman Mar 2012 OP
Kick pinto Mar 2012 #1
Well done amuse bouche Mar 2012 #37
That's before the Koch brothers et. al. start pouring money into the race. mahina Mar 2012 #2
It's worst then you think aggiesal Mar 2012 #41
Also, K & R. mahina Mar 2012 #3
Where can I find this map? RandySF Mar 2012 #4
270.com, which has updated their EVs based on the new Census numbers... Drunken Irishman Mar 2012 #6
I don't think Colorado is a swing state anymore. RandySF Mar 2012 #5
I tend to agree... Drunken Irishman Mar 2012 #7
The GOP has no chance in NM. I don't understand why it is considered a swing state. aaaaaa5a Mar 2012 #31
N.M. is a bellwether! CobaltBlue Mar 2012 #61
Plus The Marijuana Issue on Ballott otohara Mar 2012 #18
I'd consider Colorado a new bellwether state CobaltBlue Mar 2012 #63
Both VA and CO have become hotbeds of transplants fujiyama Mar 2012 #66
Great work as always, DI! Kahuna Mar 2012 #8
+1000 Excellent Compilation. You are now redeemed after your Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2012 #9
Florida, NC, Ohio and Virginia are all close davidpdx Mar 2012 #10
The repeal of the Ohio same sex marriage ban may be on the ballot in 2012... IamK Mar 2012 #13
Ah I hadn't heard that davidpdx Mar 2012 #42
Yes. But the good new is we can lose all 4 and still win. Not that I like that strategy though. nt aaaaaa5a Mar 2012 #32
Yeah but at least we have more paths to win davidpdx Mar 2012 #43
A typographic suggestion jeff47 Mar 2012 #11
Plus a minor punctuation error nxylas Mar 2012 #12
Haters. Drunken Irishman Mar 2012 #47
"We're roughly eight months away from the 2012 election" Gruntled Old Man Mar 2012 #14
He didn't win in MO in 2008. McCain did. It was close. n/t Gore1FL Mar 2012 #15
I didn't say he did... Drunken Irishman Mar 2012 #24
I had heard that Obama would have won had their been a recount. But Obama decided against it. aaaaaa5a Mar 2012 #33
Here is an article from the Washington Post on how close MO was. aaaaaa5a Mar 2012 #34
Well done but a useless exercise Kwarg Mar 2012 #16
I'm not predicting what will happen in the next eight months... Drunken Irishman Mar 2012 #25
I strongly disagree. aaaaaa5a Mar 2012 #35
What you said :) ailsagirl Mar 2012 #54
What is even more positive is this occurs in spite of the constant hate talk that the media still_one Mar 2012 #17
Well done K&R center rising Mar 2012 #19
Damn D.I., after this excellent analyis, you deserve a drink. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #20
I'm not even close to ready to feel confident Hyper_Eye Mar 2012 #21
While this year's election may indeed be tough, I doubt the Republicans........ AverageJoe90 Mar 2012 #49
I agree with a lot of points you make, but you are underestimating President Obama Obamacare Mar 2012 #50
Doesnt really matter what the Republicans do.. independents will decide this race. DCBob Mar 2012 #51
K&R Stellar Mar 2012 #22
D.I, may I republish this (with attribution of course) Rosco T. Mar 2012 #23
Go right ahead. Drunken Irishman Mar 2012 #26
Created an Electoral Map Where Romney Wins all states where hes' within Margin of Error NeedleCast Mar 2012 #27
Thanks jberryhill Mar 2012 #29
It is also about turn out - to take back the supermajority. n/t davidwparker Mar 2012 #28
Outstanding. Well done. The only issue is turnout. And the new rules on voting ID, early voting etc. aaaaaa5a Mar 2012 #30
The president hasn't even started campaigning yet. Not bad. A little scary, but not bad. Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2012 #36
Spam deleted by cbayer (MIR Team) dfgrehe Mar 2012 #38
Arizona is a swing state? - those people will vote for anything. Well done. Thanks underpants Mar 2012 #39
Indiana hates Rmoney! Chipper Chat Mar 2012 #40
I put that red because I literally have not seen one poll from that state... Drunken Irishman Mar 2012 #48
Indiana has a reputation for being cherry-red since 1996. Chipper Chat Mar 2012 #52
K&R Grateful for Hope Mar 2012 #44
Just before coming to this fujiyama Mar 2012 #45
Yep. The simplest path to understand for me is for Obama to win all the states that Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2012 #64
The most important point you make are the mulitple plausible paths to victory for Obama. DCBob Mar 2012 #46
Highest kudos! ailsagirl Mar 2012 #53
If I actually believed there were a "liberally-biased media" zbdent Mar 2012 #55
Spam deleted by NRaleighLiberal (MIR Team) ghjtydger Mar 2012 #56
The real battleground states of 2012 CobaltBlue Mar 2012 #57
this map shows what I think is the most plausible win scenario for the GOP DCBob Mar 2012 #58
Adjustment to your map. CobaltBlue Mar 2012 #60
Thanks CobaltBlue and welcome to DU! cbayer Mar 2012 #59
Thank you, and welcome to DU!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2012 #65
Thanks for the welcome! CobaltBlue Mar 2012 #62

mahina

(20,645 posts)
2. That's before the Koch brothers et. al. start pouring money into the race.
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 04:24 AM
Mar 2012

I'll do everything I can to keep Hawaii and the rest of them deep blue.

Thanks for this info.

aggiesal

(10,804 posts)
41. It's worst then you think
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 11:33 PM
Mar 2012

This is nowhere near accurate, because republican
control swing states are changing the rules on how
to distribute their electoral votes.

States like Florida and Nebraska don't use winner
takes all format, so Obama will only get a percentage
of the electoral votes.

Places like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have legislation
to do the same already pending, and more republicn
swing state will try to do the same before Nov 2012.

RandySF

(84,290 posts)
5. I don't think Colorado is a swing state anymore.
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 04:36 AM
Mar 2012

Despite what the current polls say, I think CO is now a basically blue state. We held onto the governorship, the senate seat and that State House in the awful 2010 election.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
7. I tend to agree...
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 04:46 AM
Mar 2012

That poll is way old (a lot has changed since December when it was released). My guess is Obama leads there by 5-10 points. But it remains a swing state, just like New Mexico, because, well, it's a state that the Republicans could still realistically win (did in '04).

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
61. N.M. is a bellwether!
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 03:07 PM
Mar 2012

New Mexico, which turns 100 years old this year and first voted in 1912, is a bellwether state. A changing electorate can phase it out of that category (which happened with former bellwethers like Illinois and Tennessee), but perhaps more than 2008 and 2012 presidential cycles are needed for a feeling of certainty. So, in case the Republicans win back the White House in 2012 (which I'm predicting they will not), N.M. is a part of a winning map. Since first participating back in 1912 there have been just two elections (1976, 2000) did it not vote for the winner. (2000 is the one year on record with different outcomes in the Electoral College and popular vote. N.M. sided with popular-vote winner Al Gore. A sore subject, I know, but these are the stats.)

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
18. Plus The Marijuana Issue on Ballott
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 01:37 PM
Mar 2012

will bring out the kids - if they aren't disenfranchised by our new asshole Sec. of State.

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
63. I'd consider Colorado a new bellwether state
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:06 PM
Mar 2012

I think Colorado is a new bellwether state.

In 2010, Republicans won over the House but, despite trajectory, failed to win over the Senate. Well, Colo. was a huge potential pickup, and Republican Ken Buck pissed away the contest in the final couple weeks that resulted in Michael Bennet winning a full term. GOP should have won it, as they should have won Delaware and unseated Harry Reid in Nevada. Had they not nominated a non-viable candidate in Connecticut (as they later did in Dela.), that would have been enough.

Colo. was won, in a Democratic pickup in 2008, by President Obama with a margin of 8.95%. He won over John McCain by 7.26%. The state followed Virginia as Obama's best at coming closest to mirroring his national result. In fact, Colo. was the only state whose gender voting percentages mirrored the national: Obama won 56% females to 49% males.

If 2012 were to be a Republican pickup of the presidency, victory will be (as always) required in the Electoral College. Given the close proximity, Colo. would be a part of it. But like Va, I believe it has now acquired a new reputation of becoming a presidential bellwether state - and it will get in the habit of voting for the winner election after election. 2012 will likely assure that.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
66. Both VA and CO have become hotbeds of transplants
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 02:05 AM
Mar 2012

Both the DC metro (the NOVA area), and the Denver-Boulder metro areas have attracted many young, well educated people. That along with other demographic changes (larger influx of Latino immigrants in both states), have likely changed the political map in both states.

If Obama can hold onto PA, VA, and CO, he can afford to lose IA, OH, NC, FL, and NV, and still win. Granted I don't think he'll lose NV, IA, or OH. Who knows about FL. That state is in many ways much harder to predict. NC was really close last time and while I think it's trending blue overall, it will take longer to shift than VA.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
9. +1000 Excellent Compilation. You are now redeemed after your
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 08:16 AM
Mar 2012

rat post ! :&gt

After watching some of Obama's recent speeches, I have no doubt he will pull this off, none.

So much so, that I have already pre-paid for an apt in DC for his inauguration

Now, I am thinking about buying Intrade shares. He's at 59.9% there. Shares are only
$5.99 and with a 40.1% return by November.

Thanks for pulling all this together.

He is in a great position now, before people see the two men side by side. I think everyone is underestimating
the huge effect that will have of seeing a calm, intelligent, caring leader next to that jittery, shallow, too-rich
guy.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
10. Florida, NC, Ohio and Virginia are all close
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 08:21 AM
Mar 2012

We will have to work hard to win those states again.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
42. Ah I hadn't heard that
Sat Mar 3, 2012, 02:36 AM
Mar 2012

Yeah you may be right, that will boost Republican turnout. As long as we still win the other states around Ohio (minus Indiana which I think will go red this time) we probably will be fine.

aaaaaa5a

(4,686 posts)
32. Yes. But the good new is we can lose all 4 and still win. Not that I like that strategy though. nt
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 05:35 PM
Mar 2012

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
43. Yeah but at least we have more paths to win
Sat Mar 3, 2012, 02:37 AM
Mar 2012

The win may not be nearly as big as 2008, but we just have to get beyond 270.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
11. A typographic suggestion
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 11:17 AM
Mar 2012

In your tables, you may want to change the color of the text on the dark blue bars. White text would be much easier to read than black text.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
12. Plus a minor punctuation error
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 11:44 AM
Mar 2012

In the sentence "Obama now wins every state he won in 2008 sans Indiana and Missouri, as it was in '08, now becomes a coin flip.", I believe a semicolon after the word "Indiana" would bring the sentence closer to your intended meaning. I don't mean to be nitpicky, but this is a "let's eat, grandma" vs "let's eat grandma" case, where punctuation changes meaning.

 

Gruntled Old Man

(127 posts)
14. "We're roughly eight months away from the 2012 election"
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 12:11 PM
Mar 2012

Great work compilining those graphics, my friend, but your quote is the most important takeaway from this post.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
24. I didn't say he did...
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 03:22 PM
Mar 2012

As someone upthread mentioned, it was solely a grammatical issue that led to that idea. I said he wins every state he did in '08, minus Indiana, and Missouri is now a coin-flip. Those should have been two different thoughts.

aaaaaa5a

(4,686 posts)
33. I had heard that Obama would have won had their been a recount. But Obama decided against it.
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 05:36 PM
Mar 2012


I was actually glad. It takes away that ridiculous "So goes MO, so goes the country" schtick the media use to love to play up.

aaaaaa5a

(4,686 posts)
34. Here is an article from the Washington Post on how close MO was.
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 05:43 PM
Mar 2012

By Garance Franke-Ruta
Sen. John McCain has returned to Senate business and President-elect Barack Obama selected his first Cabinet appointee, but it took until today for the election of 2008 to come to a final official close. The results from Missouri are in.

McCain has won Missouri's 11 outstanding electoral votes, taking victory in the state by a fraction of a percent, for a final total of 173 electoral college votes to Obama's 365. McCain won with 1,445,812 votes (49.4 percent) to Obama's 1,442,180 (49.3 percent) -- a 3,632 vote difference.

All told, third party candidates in the state won 1.3 percent of the vote, according to records posted by the Secretary of State's office. The independent ticket of Ralph Nader and Matt Gonzalez led among third party voters, with .6 percent.

"At this point, every vote has been counted," said Laura Egerdal, communications director for the Office of the Secretary of State of Missouri. "All the provisional ballots have been counted."

The state is required to certify the results as official by Dec. 9.

This is the first time since 1956 Missouri has not voted for the winning candidate in a presidential election.


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/11/mccain-takes-missouri.html


Here are the final results compared to RCP's polling numbers just before election day.

Final Results
49.4/49.3 McCain +0.1

RCP Average
48.5/47.8 McCain +0.7


Using the format of RCP and OP used is an excellent way to determine winners.

 

Kwarg

(89 posts)
16. Well done but a useless exercise
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 12:38 PM
Mar 2012

You're using polls from 12-11. The pubs have no nominee yet. There's no way of predicting what happens in the next 8+ months.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
25. I'm not predicting what will happen in the next eight months...
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 03:23 PM
Mar 2012

I am predicting what the map looks like today.

aaaaaa5a

(4,686 posts)
35. I strongly disagree.
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 05:47 PM
Mar 2012

The OP is providing excellent information as to what is going on now. What is going on now is very important with regard to what will happen in the future. And despite critics, it is an excellent way to determine what will happen in the future. Ironclad NO. But a probably indicator YES.


For instance, if the President were down 20% to Romney in Vermont RIGHT NOW, then we might as well kiss the White House goodbye in November.
 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
17. What is even more positive is this occurs in spite of the constant hate talk that the media
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 12:39 PM
Mar 2012

perpetuates on the President


Tarheel_Dem

(31,454 posts)
20. Damn D.I., after this excellent analyis, you deserve a drink.
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 02:37 PM
Mar 2012

I've passed this on to a couple of friends & supporters. Hope you don't mind.

Hyper_Eye

(689 posts)
21. I'm not even close to ready to feel confident
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 03:20 PM
Mar 2012

In the next few months Republicans will be mobilized because they hate President Obama. It doesn't matter who the nominee is. Liberals and young voters are not going to be as excited as last time because of all the disappointments they have experienced along the way. When ads start playing that remind liberals that Gitmo is still open and that the biggest thing we got out of the health care bill was a mandate to pay the insurance companies we wanted to get rid of a lot of people are not going to feel the drive they felt last time to go pull the lever for Obama. I know there are polls showing the shrinking enthusiasm gap and his polling in swing states is looking good... blah blah blah. Anybody who doesn't feel the difference between '08 and now is living in a fantasy world. After 8 years of a terrible and failed Republican President all the enthusiasm and incentive was on our sides. Add to that the historic nature of the election and you have a map as blue as we ended up with.

Once the Republicans pick their nominee, they stop attacking each other, and they start to rally... these polls are going to change. Michigan and Wisconsin are not going to forget what the Republicans wanted to do with Detroit or what they did to workers rights but those are special cases. Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania... maybe Virginia is where this election will be decided. Most everything else doesn't really matter. These states are going to be in play and I suspect that as the debates start and people start paying attention these states are going to be swinging back and forth like a pendulum. This election is going to be tough and there will be more negative advertisement on television, online, in the papers than we have ever seen before and we will have no knowledge as to where that money is coming from. I do know this though, that money will be mobilized in favor of the Republican and, despite that billion dollars Obama is going to spend, the 1% is prepared to see a large amount of wealth go towards defeating Obama. It is going to be nasty and this election is going to be tough.

When election day came around in '08 it was a forgone conclusion. The map was almost impossible for McCain at that point. All I had to do that day was go vote and then prepare for the really good night I knew was coming. I think when election day comes around this time I'm going to be sweating and this map is going to be a dream. Sorry to be a pessimist but this election just doesn't have even close to the same dynamics as the last one and pinning your hopes on a comparison between the two and poll results almost a year out is going to leave you scratching your head wondering what in the world happened when 6 months from now that map looks much more difficult for us.

What we do have going for us is a change in the economy. It is the R's entire platform and it could be pulled out from under them this summer. That leaves them running on social issues like the contraception fight and they will lose if that is all they have.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
49. While this year's election may indeed be tough, I doubt the Republicans........
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 05:45 AM
Mar 2012

are going to get their entire act together and frankly, I don't think they'll be able to get back much their lost support either. A lot of moderates are either going Democrat or staying home.

 

Obamacare

(277 posts)
50. I agree with a lot of points you make, but you are underestimating President Obama
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 06:45 AM
Mar 2012

and his campaigning talents. Sure, there isn't as much excitement and enthusiasm as there was in 08 and understandably so. However, just as quick as those on the right will line up behind Mittens when the ads and debates start, the very same will happen on the left. Once the GE heats up, with ads and debates, do you honestly think some democrats will stay home or vote Mittens because Gitmo wasn't closed?lol The rethugs have weak candidates, Mittens is a flip flopper, he has contradicted himself over and over throughout the years and it will be looped over and over again in the GE for the nation to see. McCain, was a much more formidable candidate than Mittens, he was a true moderate, military vet etc. There was no talk of McCain being similar to Obama among rethugs like there is with Mittens. And for the life of me I don't understand all this paranoia about the Koch brothers and hundreds of millions of dollars being given to Mitten's campaign. So there are no billionaires, ala Hollyweird, Oprah, Buffet, Soros, Gates and beyond on the left that will be pouring hundreds of millions into Obama's campaign?

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
51. Doesnt really matter what the Republicans do.. independents will decide this race.
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 08:45 AM
Mar 2012

And they are increasingly moving into the President's column because they "hate" Republicans and their pathetic candidates.

Rosco T.

(6,496 posts)
23. D.I, may I republish this (with attribution of course)
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 03:22 PM
Mar 2012

I need to show some people what REAL analysis looks like.

NeedleCast

(8,827 posts)
27. Created an Electoral Map Where Romney Wins all states where hes' within Margin of Error
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 03:55 PM
Mar 2012

except for Virginia. Even in this worst case scenario, Obama still wins.

Looking pretty good, but I'm not going to let up.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
29. Thanks
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 05:04 PM
Mar 2012

I was curious about that.

"worst case" is much more interesting than figuring out what may be likely.

aaaaaa5a

(4,686 posts)
30. Outstanding. Well done. The only issue is turnout. And the new rules on voting ID, early voting etc.
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 05:32 PM
Mar 2012


These things could cut Obama's margins, even if the polling looks similar to 08.

underpants

(196,495 posts)
39. Arizona is a swing state? - those people will vote for anything. Well done. Thanks
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 10:51 PM
Mar 2012

Romney's numbers are over inflated because he is getting 80% of the news coverage right now (not that it is helping him).

The other factor is the juggernaut of an organization that Obama is going to have.

Chipper Chat

(10,870 posts)
40. Indiana hates Rmoney!
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 11:00 PM
Mar 2012

WHen he bought up factories in our rust belt he put over 6000 Hoosiers out of a job. I just cant see him beating Obama here.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
48. I put that red because I literally have not seen one poll from that state...
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 04:15 AM
Mar 2012

It is bizarre how under polled that state is. Not one out there from what I can see. I don't know why, considering it was a swing state last go around. So, it is assumption on my part, but I would not be surprised if Obama pulled out Indiana again.

Chipper Chat

(10,870 posts)
52. Indiana has a reputation for being cherry-red since 1996.
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 01:45 PM
Mar 2012

Remember when Clinton won all of the surrounding states and Indiana stood out like a sore thumb for going for Dole? SO embarrassing! The polls in 2008 all showed Gramps winning by 55-45% but Obama squeaked it out. I think he'll win by 52-48 if Rmoney is the numbinee. Bain bought 2 factories here in the 90s - fired 4000 local workers - hired half of them back with stripped benefits and wages - then shuttered the plants a year later. You wont find him campaigning here unless he borrows the Popemobile.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
45. Just before coming to this
Sat Mar 3, 2012, 04:44 AM
Mar 2012

I was playing around with the map on www.270towin.com and the best scenario map I came up with was the same map as yours! I like your analysis, and not just because I agree with it.

The narrowest of Obama's paths to 270 is that he wins the same southwest states as last time (CO, NM, NV), all upper midwest states (WI, IA, MN) that Kerry and Gore won, and finally all of NE (NH being the only real uncertainty).



 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
64. Yep. The simplest path to understand for me is for Obama to win all the states that
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 06:02 PM
Mar 2012

Gore and Kerry won, plus one or more of the four: VA, FL, OH, NC.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
46. The most important point you make are the mulitple plausible paths to victory for Obama.
Sat Mar 3, 2012, 07:50 AM
Mar 2012

whereas with Romney there are few.

Well done! Thanks.

ailsagirl

(24,287 posts)
53. Highest kudos!
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 01:55 PM
Mar 2012

Thanks so much for your fantastic analysis. I've been looking for this very thing. Keep up the great work!

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
55. If I actually believed there were a "liberally-biased media"
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 08:54 PM
Mar 2012

then I wouldn't worry.

As it is, I'll likely be terrified ...

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
57. The real battleground states of 2012
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:20 AM
Mar 2012

First post. I am going to provide a link to 270towin.com. But it's really my map of what I think are the real battlegrounds of 2012. And I am one predicting Barack Obama will win re-election. When I get the chance, I'll write more on the topic.

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=huJ

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
58. this map shows what I think is the most plausible win scenario for the GOP
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:38 AM
Mar 2012
http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=huK

270-268 (NH puts them over the top)

Disclaimer: I dont think this will happen, just saying this is the "most plausible", even if unlikely.

btw, welcome!
 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
60. Adjustment to your map.
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 03:01 PM
Mar 2012
DCBob,

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=hvq

In a Republican pickup of the presidency, Nevada and New Mexico would flip from blue (2008) to red (2012) as well. Colorado would also become a pickup, as its female (56%) and male (49%) support for Obama, in 2008, matched the national result. Iowa would also go because it's been routinely one of the best coming up with a statewide margin that reflects the national outcome (since 1992). And, since 1996, Colo. votes like Virginia in terms of margin of victory -- a close connection.

New Hampshire? As a bonus, yes.

Therefore, take that 270 to 268, and make it 296 to 242.


 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
62. Thanks for the welcome!
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 03:23 PM
Mar 2012

I appreciate the welcome.

I think the historical advantage (the voting) is so much in President Obama's favor that the Republican Party - behind closed doors - figure it to be that way as well.

I wonder if any talk was generated here, just after the outcome of the 2008 U.S. presidential election, of us being in a realigning period favorable with the presidency for the Democratic Party. That is a topic that was written about, in some articles, after that election. (I suspect it's the reason for the Republican Jihad calling themselves Republican Governors from the Midwest.)

I recall some GOP hack from Wall Street Journal bloviated and could have saved us all time by writing "no"; but I saw examples pointing to "yes."

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