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Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:28 AM

CBE audits Chicago votes - Guess What Happened

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4fqo91/chicago_board_of_elections_audits_chicago_votes/

Chicago Board of Elections audits Chicago votes. In one precinct the actual tally was 56.7% in Bernie's favor. After count was manipulated by machine he lost with 47.5% of vote. A whopping 18.4% swing. (video)

It gets interesting around the 24 minute mark. video:
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In one example noted during video, 21 Bernie votes were erased and 49 Hillary votes added to audit tally in order to match machine count. In this one precinct, this change from the actual results accounted for nearly 20% of overall votes cast. The actual tally was 56.7% in Bernie's favor. After count was manipulated by machine he lost with 47.5% of vote. A whopping 18.4% swing.

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The 800 pound gorilla in the room, the question has to be, Will the 'winner' of this mess, under these disgusting conditions, be considered legitimate ?

OR will they be considered another GW Bush?

I guess it won't matter to some, as long as 'we' win.

Jimmy Carter: The U.S. Is an “Oligarchy With Unlimited Political Bribery”

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Reply CBE audits Chicago votes - Guess What Happened (Original post)
Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 OP
apcalc Apr 2016 #1
Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #2
Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #7
reddread Apr 2016 #10
Dem2 Apr 2016 #15
Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #3
Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #4
Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #5
Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #8
Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #9
Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #13
dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #44
Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #47
dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #51
reddread Apr 2016 #14
Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #18
vintx Apr 2016 #28
Califonz Apr 2016 #6
Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #11
Dem2 Apr 2016 #12
beedle Apr 2016 #19
winter is coming Apr 2016 #22
Dem2 Apr 2016 #23
reformist2 Apr 2016 #25
Dem2 Apr 2016 #27
questionseverything Apr 2016 #38
Dem2 Apr 2016 #40
questionseverything Apr 2016 #41
Dem2 Apr 2016 #42
questionseverything Apr 2016 #57
uponit7771 Apr 2016 #50
uponit7771 Apr 2016 #49
brooklynite Apr 2016 #54
Dem2 Apr 2016 #55
djean111 Apr 2016 #16
Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #17
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #32
Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #34
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #35
nolabels Apr 2016 #53
EndElectoral Apr 2016 #20
Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #36
jillan Apr 2016 #21
reformist2 Apr 2016 #26
jillan Apr 2016 #30
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #33
Octafish Apr 2016 #24
Name removed Apr 2016 #29
xloadiex Apr 2016 #31
questionseverything Apr 2016 #37
amborin Apr 2016 #39
Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #43
2banon Apr 2016 #45
Scuba Apr 2016 #46
Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #48
LWolf Apr 2016 #52
snot Apr 2016 #56

Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:33 AM

1. You write of machine

" manipulation" , implying cheating.

Do you know for a fact it was " manipulation" , ie cheating? How do you know?

So, you feel it is not possible they were just correcting original error?

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Response to apcalc (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:36 AM

2. call it what you like, the auditing staff changed the audit results to match the official numbers.

edited to add: as witnessed by the observing citizens.

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Response to apcalc (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:41 AM

7. arguments similiar to

what we've heard from the Tobacco Industry and Climate denying 'scientists'


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Response to apcalc (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:44 AM

10. how often does your bank balance get miscalculated?

 

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Response to apcalc (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:46 AM

15. No, there was no actual issue found in the audit

The observers thought a mistake was made, however, so I think they should immediately file a suit to determine what happened in that precinct.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:37 AM

3. This is why we need.

To get rid of all voting machines. There are way too many 'irregularities' for us to keep using them.



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Response to Else You Are Mad (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:39 AM

4. This is also why the neo-Dem 'leadership'

has never tried to get rid of them. They get to use them too

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:41 AM

5. This transcends parties.

Both parties use them, but they are outright dangerous in the GE.

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Response to Else You Are Mad (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:42 AM

8. dangerous in the Primaries too

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:44 AM

9. More so in the GE

But point taken.

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Response to Else You Are Mad (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:45 AM

13. Agree

but I was thinking more along the line of forcing someone in to the Nom position who can't win.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:13 AM

44. Exactly right

It's pretty cynical, but it seems you can't be too cynical anymore. The machines can serve as another brake on populist insurgencies in the party primary. It does explain why our party has never seriously cared about the machines or their proprietary software.

Of course having a voting system with integrity (if you can accept that premise, it's getting very hard to) also would explain our party not going after the machines. But there's too much at stake for me to blindly accept this, we need accountability, powerful economic forces will do anything to protect their profits and their candidates.

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #44)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:26 AM

47. No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up - Lily Tomlin


Having honest voting would be a wild card for the oligarchy that controls both parties. Can't have that.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #47)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:06 AM

51. If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal! - eom

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Response to Else You Are Mad (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:46 AM

14. lethal to democracy

 

one of the reasons we arent number one on that list.
our government does not want us to be.
The single biggest special interest in this election
is the National Security State.
wonder if theyre nervous?

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Response to reddread (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:30 PM

18. ....wonder what they'll do

if they panic?

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:01 PM

28. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:41 AM

6. The UK does not use electronic voting. Only paper ballots.

 

People gather, count the paper ballots at long tables with observers from all parties monitoring.

They're usually done by 3 AM.

But there are plans to introduce electronic voting by 2020 so the elites can start stealing elections just like their US cousins do.

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Response to Califonz (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:44 AM

11. I guess the test run..

...went really well here in the US.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:45 AM

12. Oh, this one again

Here's my copied/pasted reply from the last several times it was posted:


For those interested, start viewing at about 24:30. I agree with the author of the DKos article, "There’s no way to know how egregious the errors in the machine count and their purported audit were without further investigation and research." I can't comment further, there's not enough evidence to suggest much of anything other than someone should have filed for a recount since it was stated that the 5% audit is not in itself to be used to change any results.


The audit checked out according to the officials, if it is felt that they did something wrong at the 5% audit, they should file a lawsuit.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:33 PM

19. The audit checked out????

 

You need to breath at least every two minutes otherwise you are in danger of brain damage (not hopeful the warning came in time) ... the 5% audit exposed a major swing in actual votes compared to machine counted votes.

I assume by 'the audit checked out', you mean the mistake was in your candidates favor, so what who gives a shit about disenfranchising a bunch of voters that don't vote the 'right way' anyway.

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Response to beedle (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:38 PM

22. +1. The proper response to discovering a discrepancy isn't to "correct" the audit.

It's to re-check the sample and audit other samples to find out what the vote total actually was.

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Response to beedle (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:46 PM

23. The audit checked out

If it didn't, there would have been an investigation.

You can't just make shit up and then toss ad hominem's my say when I point out the facts.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:58 PM

25. The audit "checked out" because the workers fudged their numbers, as witnessed by many.

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #25)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:00 PM

27. I watched the video

I am only relaying the fact that it the audit checked out and that there isn't substantiation for the claim that they fudged the results yet. I am certain an investigation will get to the bottom of this in time.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #27)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:20 PM

38. on one early voting machine 49 ghost votes for hc and 21 missing votes for bernie

that is how hc "won" illinois

fudging results=falsifying results to install the corporate candidate

hopefully enough people see this tape to realize the chicago board of election is engaged in organized crime, they have falsified the required 5% audit so it is a state law they have violated

not to mention violating the sacred trust of the American people

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #38)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:27 PM

40. I'll be waiting for you to post proof of this bizarre "theory"

You can't just make shit up based on a meeting video that hasn't even substantiated the claims yet.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #40)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:43 PM

41. the accusation is in the video made by the illinois ballot integrity project

the 4 individuals who testified (people who use their real names not internet personas) have about 8 degrees between them and many more affidavits stating same

gentleman @ 1:17 mark says he has proof and i believe him

the way attorney scanlon ran the audit, instructing boe workers to hide the ballots from the observers so no hand counting could ac cure is more proof they were hiding something

anyone that thinks the blackbox voting system is something that can be relied upon is not using their head because no human being can oversee the count in the box

and when boe deliberately falsify results so the false output is accepted , they are treasonous

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #41)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:00 PM

42. I don't care if they have 100 degrees, that's using a form of logical fallacy to push

this stupid conspiracy theory type thinking that if these people saw it, then it must be rampant everywhere. Let's let them verify this one instance before we take this to the next level, OK?

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #42)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:51 PM

57. just the fact that the election officials are non transparent is enough

if we the people can not oversee every step of the election process, the election is illegitimate

people that cry ct because citizens expect to be able to see the entire process are undermining what is left of democracy

http://www.sweetremedy.tv/fatallyflawed/media/RTA_Fraud_Flyer_3_7_12.pdf

if has been going on for years,usually by an election insider

http://bradblog.com/?p=7875

the election activists shouldn't have to do the verifying, that is what the boe is PAID to do

but as the video explains, they are busy covering up for the inaccurate machines

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #41)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:24 AM

50. I have proof Sanders controlled Podium Bird that day too... come on people, this kind of stuff

... isn't to be left up to a persons willingness to believe anything

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:22 AM

49. WOW, they are depending on hiding the facts to make stuff up now... Big indicator of bubble world

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:00 PM

54. So, Sanders will be challenging the results...right?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #54)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:28 PM

55. I hope somebody does

Surely sitting around on the internet and complaining about it won't fix it

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:12 PM

16. Oh, I already consider, due to stuff like this, that Hillary is not, and will never be, a legitimate

 

winner. Ya hang around with the Bushes, ya get like the Bushes, IMO and all that.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:22 PM

17. The point being that

they are all neo-cons.

and now we have: neo-Dems

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #17)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:45 PM

32. The term you are looking for is Neo-Libs or third way

 

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #32)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:58 PM

34. Nope wasn't looking for that, thanks

I know what neo-Liberal and the DLC Third Way is

I'll call them neo-con and neo-Dem


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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #34)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:00 PM

35. I am just pointing out what they are

 

and the Third Way has way too much in common with the Neo Cons, world wide.

What I find amazing is that in the US talking about Neo Liberalism is almost verbotten, but you have these discussions every where else. I wonder if that is because that is the nature of our foreign policy, regardless of what party is in power, and the receiving end of it is tired of it.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #35)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:56 AM

53. I think they are mostly all P.O.S.

99% percent of them also never served in Military, are lawyers by trade and a whole lot of them never had job where they performed actual blue-collar labor, and mostly too, they have had titled paid positions in corporate America and hope to drawing even larger paychecks again from them again in the near future when they again, are not holding government titled positions.

Putting people in groupings is not really my thing but, essentially though, they are gangsters using the mechanisms of our government against the rest of the people. So what is there really left to do

What is there to hate, they is what they is

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:35 PM

20. Yeah, I no longer have faith that our elections are not manipulated.

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Response to EndElectoral (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:01 PM

36. it's pretty much guaranteed

that they are very manipulated and that they will continue to be so until something major happens to change that.

It there are no consequences for the behavior, there is no incentive to change the behavior.

They must be incentivized, somehow.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:38 PM

21. It is time for the UN to come in and observe OUR elections. This does not stop.

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Response to jillan (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:59 PM

26. I agree. Please Obama, be the radical we thought you were, and issue some executive orders on this.


We all know the Repugs would be furious. But I suspect Camp Hillary would be even angrier.

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #26)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:06 PM

30. I cannot help but wonder if all these - ahem, problems - are just a test run for the GE.

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Response to jillan (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:46 PM

33. You are not alone

 

so is Greg Palast, who has come and said it.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:54 PM

24. Thanks, Fred Berfel! That IS weird.

And I agree with President Carter.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:43 PM

31. The group was trying to raise money

on GoFundMe for a recount but the deadline has passed and the candidate didn't request it. They are moving ahead with a lawsuit and have raised over 7k
https://www.gofundme.com/auditchicagovote

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Response to xloadiex (Reply #31)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:09 PM

37. thank you for posting the link

the illinois ballot integrity project deserves our support

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:24 PM

39. k&R

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:12 PM

43. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Ferd Berfel.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:16 AM

45. So, now will the record be corrected and brought to account?

 

giving Bernie his victory or not?

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:48 AM

46. In 2009, Democrats in DC had an opportunity to protect our elections and voting rights.

 

They passed.

Kinda like Florida 2000 never happened.

Kinda like Ohio 2004 never happened.







A more cynical observer might conclude that Democratic Party leadership doesn't give a shit about our votes or fair elections.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #46)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:37 AM

48. No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up - Lily Tomlin

just sayin'

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:34 AM

52. This is certainly informative.

I'm interested in the woman speaking right around the 1 hour mark. I appreciate her determination to stay on point.

I'm noticing that some listeners are not taking all speakers seriously.



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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:45 PM

56. K&R'd and bookmarked! And THANKS to the citizens trying to monitor this stuff!

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