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Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:13 PM

Why does Bernie make more sense for November ?

First the Polling Averages for General Election Match ups: (from Real Clear Politics polling averages)

..............Hillary..........Bernie
Trump......+9.3%........+15.2%
Cruz........+2.3%........+11.2%
Kasich.....-7.8%.........+4.0%

Beside the polls there is the following:

In addition to the FBI’s massive criminal investigation that is expected to continue through June with the strong possibility of a recommendation to the Justice Department for indictments, the Right wing pundits will launch the following attacks:
• The Clinton Global Initiative is a profitable enterprise masquerading as part of the Clinton’s global foundation “charity” scheme.
• The Clintons have diverted money contributed by UNITAID through the United Nations World Health Organization that was intended to buy HIV/AIDS generic medications for Third World indigent patients.
• The Clintons have exploited natural disasters, including earthquakes in India and Haiti, for their personal gain by soliciting through the Clinton Foundation hundreds of millions of dollars intended to go for victims’ relief.
• The disclosure of a series of shell-corporations and pass-through bank accounts the Clinton family has utilized to launder money donated to the Clinton Foundation into their own personal coffers.
• A series of intensive interviews with experts who have tracked the Clinton Foundation, including authors Peter Schweizer and Ed Klein .
• Two-time No. 1 New York Times bestselling author Jerome Corsi, publish a book entitled “Partners in Crime: The Clintons’ Scheme to Monetize the White House for Personal Profit.”
• A national program encouraging attorney generals in each state to launch criminal investigation of the Clinton Foundation.

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Reply Why does Bernie make more sense for November ? (Original post)
jimmy_crack_corn Apr 2016 OP
annavictorious Apr 2016 #1
Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #2
pdsimdars Apr 2016 #13
kstewart33 Apr 2016 #14
Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #17
griffi94 Apr 2016 #3
jimmy_crack_corn Apr 2016 #8
griffi94 Apr 2016 #9
mikehiggins Apr 2016 #4
jimmy_crack_corn Apr 2016 #5
griffi94 Apr 2016 #10
Gwhittey Apr 2016 #24
Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #19
jimmy_crack_corn Apr 2016 #20
Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #21
Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #34
840high Apr 2016 #33
Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #30
COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #6
Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #26
Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #27
COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #41
floriduck Apr 2016 #7
pdsimdars Apr 2016 #11
fun n serious Apr 2016 #12
AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #15
fun n serious Apr 2016 #18
COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #42
rhett o rick Apr 2016 #16
fun n serious Apr 2016 #22
rhett o rick Apr 2016 #23
Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #35
rhett o rick Apr 2016 #43
Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #25
rhett o rick Apr 2016 #44
amborin Apr 2016 #28
Trajan Apr 2016 #36
MFM008 Apr 2016 #29
Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #32
Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #31
Trajan Apr 2016 #37
Tarc Apr 2016 #38
Tarc Apr 2016 #39
rock Apr 2016 #40

Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:20 PM

1. Jerome Corsi is a conspiracy theorist

 

and both of his best sellers were factually challenged anti-democrat diatribes.

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Response to annavictorious (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:23 PM

2. Wasn't he involved in "swift boating" John Kerry?

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:46 PM

13. And David Brock, one of Hillary's top surrogates, was the one who ruined Anita Hills' career

 

when she tried to stand up to Clarence Thomas. Do women like what he did to her? Hillary is apparently OK with it, he's one of her own now.

But whether or not this Corsi guy swift boated Corsi, he's not working on Bernie's campaign is he? I don't believe I read that.

But that nasty Brock IS working for Hillary. Like attracts like.

And you like her too, right?


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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:50 PM

14. Ruined her career?

Don't think so. She seems to be doing just fine. Sources?

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:58 PM

17. Yes, I'm supporting Hillary. What are you insinuating?

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Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:24 PM

3. Bernie doesn't make more sense for November

That's why he's losing badly.
After Tuesday it won't be a question anymore even for the die hards.

Hillary = Majority of pledged delegates, 3 million more votes.

Bernie = Out of time and out of states with enough delegates to close the gap.

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Response to griffi94 (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:28 PM

8. Don't Hold your breadth

Bernie is going all the way and as "Don't count your chickens before they hatch",

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Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:31 PM

9. Yeah Ok hahahaha.

I forgot about that special Bernie math.

We're going all the way. Please send money. Lol

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Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:31 PM

4. Anyone who can mention the "email"s and Corsi in the same post deserves all the

ridicule/approbation/condemnation he/she earns.

What happened? Did Benghasi fall off the menu?

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Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:41 PM

5. Swiftboating and all

I am just identifying what the GOP pundits will throw at HRC, and God know Kerry was hurt by what should have been a strength when they swiftboated him. Bernie has been relative the same man thru all and does not appear to have as much for the GOP to trash him with !

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Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:35 PM

10. Bernie has been the same man thru the years.

The same ineffective man whose major accomplishments in the senate
are renaming a couple of post offices.

The same man who had a year at least to wotk out
some details of his agenda but when asked
had no answers.

The GOP won't trash Bernie because he's not going
to be the nominee.
Sorry.

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Response to griffi94 (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 06:37 PM

24. I realise that to some GOPers that helping Vets is worthless

 

But Sanders has been one most essential members in congress in helping us Veterans. But I understand why you think that is worthless because it is waste of time to help vets out once you and your leaders are done with us fighting in wars for you.

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Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:02 PM

19. The rw has been throwing shit at Hillary for so long that most people don't even pay attention

any more. They've run out of material.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:35 PM

20. Really

Your ans is to ignore what will be exposed ?

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Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:42 PM

21. No, not ignoring, just not taking the bait.

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Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:05 PM

34. Absolutely

I usually ignore lies...look at what the Gop has said about Obama...you think what they say is true? No the GOP is lying if their lips are moving.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:03 PM

33. You can always count on a

 

Clinton to provide new material.

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Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 06:53 PM

30. Are you kidding

Why Bernies Sanders will be a communist, did you know he has a kid out of wedlock? Was he a deadbeat Dad?...he wrote papers about how he would nationalize the banks and oil companies...he wants everyone off of their health care so he can give them government care...I thought of this in ten seconds...imagine what the GOP has. There is a reason why the GOP has been nice to Bernie...they want him to be our Dukakis or McGovern.

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Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:16 PM

6. OMFC. Using Jerome Corsi as 'proof' of these outlanding allegations.

You really need to get out of DU and run along over to World Nut Daily (where Corsi frequently posts).

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 06:49 PM

26. They are using one of the swift boat kings on DU to attack Hillary

Are pigs flying? Where are the mods? OK Bernie bots, you are now Republicans.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 06:51 PM

27. Yeah

For the sane among us, who are not groupie types, do you notice a pattern? The GOP is trying to help Bernie out...you think it is because the bird thing? They just love them some Bernie...or more likely, they know they will crush him.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #27)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:16 PM

41. They've been doing everything in their power to savage Hillary and

prop Bernie up. The Repugs are Bernie's #1 fan club right now since they'd love nothing better than to run against him. Can you imagine a debate between Bernie and Trump? Bernie would vapor lock 3 minutes.

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Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:17 PM

7. Joy Reid must have missed this one. nm

 

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Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:39 PM

11. She has the worst negative rating in the history of the Democratic party.

 

And least trustworthy or all candidates.


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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:42 PM

12. Do you know why?

 

She has been in politics a long time, she is a powerful woman, and has been lied about viciously by both progressives and conservatives.

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Response to fun n serious (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:53 PM

15. Bernie has been in politics for a long time

 

He is a powerful man. He has been lied about viciously by both progressives and conservatives.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:02 PM

18. He has not been in a national spotlight

 

like Hillary. He hasn't been lied about or exposed to criticism like Hillary.. and he DOES have plenty that can be exposed. I won't name them. As you can see from my hides.. I am a target and get alerted on mostly for slight criticism. Some where deserved but if you look... most are NO where near what people here say about Hillary and do no get hid.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:19 PM

42. Being in politics as a Senator from Vermont is not one that

brings a whole lot of public scrutiny. Bernie is to a greater extent ignored by his Senate colleagues (only one of whom have seen fit to support him), has authored no legislation of great import and his only 'power' is being from a small state that worships nonconformity for nonconformity's sake which pretty much guarantees his reelection until he wants to quit. Progressives haven't lied about him and Conservatives have practically canonized him.

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Response to fun n serious (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:57 PM

16. She lied about the need to kill a million Iraqi's for cripes sake. That's not a lie.

 

And this is what the AA community think of her:

“Far from resisting the emergence of the new caste system, Clinton escalated the drug war beyond what conservatives had imagined possible a decade earlier. As the Justice Policy Institute has observed, “the Clinton Administration’s ‘tough on crime’ policies resulted in the largest increases in federal and state prison inmates of any president in American history.”99 Clinton eventually moved beyond crime and capitulated to the conservative racial agenda on welfare. This move, like his “get tough” rhetoric and policies, was part of a grand strategy articulated by the “new Democrats” to appeal to the elusive white swing voters. In so doing, Clinton—more than any other president—created the current racial undercaste. He signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, which “ended welfare as we know it,” replacing Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) with a block grant to states called Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF). TANF imposed a five-year lifetime limit on welfare assistance, as well as a permanent, lifetime ban on eligibility for welfare and food stamps for anyone convicted of a felony drug offense—including simple possession of marijuana.”
― Michelle Alexander, The New Jim Crow

That's not lies. She is ambitious but not to help the 99%

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 06:07 PM

22. She did NOT vote on the crime bill, Bernie did.

 

and it was NOT for domestic violence on women. He is on video explaining why. BUSH Killed Iraqi's NOT Hillary and all the other DEMS that voted for that nasty war. She was first lady and like any wife supported her husband. Most wives do. YOU make it sound like this was her and her alone. Bernie had MORE part of all that than Hillary did. It's a convoluted subject as well... I remember those days.

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Response to fun n serious (Reply #22)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 06:31 PM

23. We were speaking to her unpopular rating. You said it was because she was around a long

 

time. Like that's an excuse. She's been around a long time so she showed what she is all about.

She abandoned the Democratic Party when we needed her the most. To at least try to stop the massacre in Iraq. She not only sided with Bush she spoke to the Senate and repeated the Bush lies about WMD in Iraq. Argue all you want but that's one reason she isn't popular. Another is her destructive support of tough drug laws and Prisons For Profit.

This is how Michelle Alexander feels about H. Clinton:
“Far from resisting the emergence of the new caste system, Clinton escalated the drug war beyond what conservatives had imagined possible a decade earlier. As the Justice Policy Institute has observed, “the Clinton Administration’s ‘tough on crime’ policies resulted in the largest increases in federal and state prison inmates of any president in American history.”99 Clinton eventually moved beyond crime and capitulated to the conservative racial agenda on welfare. This move, like his “get tough” rhetoric and policies, was part of a grand strategy articulated by the “new Democrats” to appeal to the elusive white swing voters. In so doing, Clinton—more than any other president—created the current racial undercaste. He signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, which “ended welfare as we know it,” replacing Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) with a block grant to states called Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF). TANF imposed a five-year lifetime limit on welfare assistance, as well as a permanent, lifetime ban on eligibility for welfare and food stamps for anyone convicted of a felony drug offense—including simple possession of marijuana.”
― Michelle Alexander, The New Jim Crow

She appears to be more interested in amassing hundreds of millions of dollars for her personal wealth than helping the poor.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:07 PM

35. Sexist much?

Bill Clinton was president ...and Bernie signed onto the crime bill and was proud of it. Stop blaming Hillary for her husband.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #35)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:10 PM

43. First, countering all criticisms of Hillary as "sexism" because she is female, is sexism.

 

Secondly she helped Bush promulgate the lies to go to war with Iraq. That was all her. She should have stood her ground but chose to acquiesce to the Republicans.

Thirdly I didn't mention the crime bill but if you want, let Black Lives Matter Activist Ashley Williams explain why she doesn't prefer Hillary and then tell me she is sexist:

“Here's the truth: the Clinton legacy has left our prisons bursting at the seams. Real lives have been destroyed as a result. It is an indisputable fact that millions of Black people were locked up for drug crimes and provided the bodies for the expansion of the prison industry.

The 1994 Crime Bill that she so vigorously defended not only expanded incarceration, but stripped funding for college education from prisoners. The Clinton legacy allowed for policies that prevented anyone convicted of a felony drug offense from receiving food stamps or income assistance. Clinton-led welfare reform fundamentally ripped apart the social safety net.”


“Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.”


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Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 06:47 PM

25. Haha...wow Bernie has some great GOP suporters

wonder why?

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #25)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:39 PM

44. Funny I was thinking the same about Clinton supporters. The polls show that

 

Sanders is more apt to defeat Trump. So if you want Trump, vote Clinton.

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Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 06:51 PM

28. K&R Grifters, con artists, totally corrupt!

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Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 06:51 PM

29. she still beats them

i don't care if its by 10 votes. Kasich is within margin of error,
he will never get the opportunity AND/OR
if he was to get in he will get the HOT light of scrutiny on him, which he has not had.
Now SOMEONE keeps voting for her otherwise she wouldn't be ahead by 3 million votes.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #29)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:00 PM

32. I live in Ohio

Kasich is as jerk who has closed planned parenthood, made it so women must carry downs babies no choice in that, gave more money to charter schools that are being used a personal piggy banks, he did expand Medicaid but since no one can get on given the abysmal state service...family services handles unemployment, Medicaid and child welfare. You can't even call them...he has a bill to do just what Carolina did sitting on his desk against trans people ...he may have signed it ...don't know . Kasich is no moderate...he would have lost but the Dems came up with Fitzgerald. He is a sneak and a liar. We have many types of birth control which are now illegal.

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Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 06:55 PM

31. You people post this without noting this is one of the guys who destroyed Kerry

Shame on you...Clinton won, Bernie lost. He won't be the nominee or president ...now deal with reality and stop slinging rightwing mud.

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Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:15 PM

37. Pro-Bernie here ...

 

Corsi is an asshole and should never be relied upon for a statement of fact ...

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Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:28 PM

38. Debunked

The Problem With Bernie Sanders’ Polling Argument

The numbers are accurate, but both Democratic and Republican pollsters say that they don’t mean as much as Sanders says they do.

To be sure, Clinton also makes the case that she would be a stronger candidate in a general election due to her experience and ability to compromise. But Sanders’ emphasis on the polls is misguided, experts say.

General election polls taken months before voting day have a history of being wrong. According to data compiled by FiveThirtyEight, general election polls taken a year in advance have been inaccurate by more than 5 percentage points in the last 10 out of 14 elections for which there is data.

Even polls six months out are inaccurate, too. For example, at this point in the 2000 election, late April polls showed then-Gov. George W. Bush with a strong national lead of five points over then-Vice President Al Gore. Bush lost the popular vote to Gore by half a percentage point that November.

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Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:30 PM

39. Also, Jerome Corsi? What the fucking fuck?

That bloated, festering pustule of a human being spearheaded the Swiftboating of John Kerry in 2004, and you have the fucking gall to cite him for something in the Democratic Underground?

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Response to jimmy_crack_corn (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:48 PM

40. I think i have a quote to cover that


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