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Clinton got Secretary of State because Obama is magnanimous. What will Clinton offer Sanders? (Original Post) Bread and Circus Apr 2016 OP
Nothing. Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #1
Bernie lost why should she twist herself in knots and take on what proved to be unpopular ideas Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #12
Well, most will Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #14
So unpopular she co-opted most of them? TDale313 Apr 2016 #31
Unpopular ideas? At least 40 percent don't think so Armstead Apr 2016 #33
Bernie's ideas aren't unpopular. A lot of people who support HRC actually prefer Bernie's ideas Ken Burch Apr 2016 #45
Hillary lost in 2008, President Obama was kind to her. akbacchus_BC Apr 2016 #68
He's probably better off keeping his senate seat and promoting his own policies. procon Apr 2016 #42
Do you know how much that says? If Sanders is her political enemy it means she is against what he Unicorn Apr 2016 #61
A bottle of hot sauce. DCBob Apr 2016 #2
And there's the difference Rebkeh Apr 2016 #3
Hopefully absolutely nothing. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #4
Your presumption that SecState was some kind Hortensis Apr 2016 #5
LoL what the hell were Clinton's credentials to be tapped for SoS? Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #13
Apparently nonexistent, given her inept performance in that office. (nt) Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #15
to name two things she helped bring about dsc Apr 2016 #18
Probably to give her more "experience" Baobab Apr 2016 #17
She had much more foreign policy than Sanders. Also the SOS promotes trade and trade bills, Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #56
How is your post even remotely relevant? Who is calling for Sanders as SoS? Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #65
Post # 5 Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #29
I don't think it was a consolation prize farleftlib Apr 2016 #48
give him a sandwich and a beer./t Lil Missy Apr 2016 #6
And an ambassadorship to the Vatican! Stuckinthebush Apr 2016 #52
Good one! NurseJackie Apr 2016 #59
I hope nothing. bigwillq Apr 2016 #7
Or maybe there was a deal. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #8
Hillary would never have thought of primarying Obama in 2012 woolldog Apr 2016 #10
You actually believe that loyalty thing? Punkingal Apr 2016 #11
I do. woolldog Apr 2016 #41
idk about the primary part. OZi Apr 2016 #36
Will offer scorn. Should offer respect. eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #9
Absolutely nothing KingFlorez Apr 2016 #16
Postmaster General? MineralMan Apr 2016 #19
Absolutely nothing, remember that she has this list of who is naughty and nice! insta8er Apr 2016 #20
A transcript of the roll call. rug Apr 2016 #21
Being that Clinton was magnanimous and stepped out of the way when it was clear that Obama won SFnomad Apr 2016 #22
Nothing, I hope... First Speaker Apr 2016 #23
Bern enid602 Apr 2016 #24
She'll offer her middle finger maybe? Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #25
Ambassador to Russia. He LOVES that place apparently!!! beaglelover Apr 2016 #26
Red Baiting is so funny!!! Freeperville is that way ----> Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #32
Or to the Vatican itsrobert Apr 2016 #34
Unlimited prison visitor passes yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #27
Sanders gets to be head of the budget committee. joshcryer Apr 2016 #28
That would be great, but not sure HRC could arrange that. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #50
He already has seniority on the committee. joshcryer Apr 2016 #63
If he would get it by seniority anyway, I'm not sure it matter that much. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #64
I suspect that Sanders will ask for something that advances his agenda. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #30
nothing oldandhappy Apr 2016 #35
Will Sanders I hesitantly endorse and campaign for Clinton? brooklynite Apr 2016 #37
The SOS offer was made PUBLICLY after the election. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #49
Yeah, I'll go with nothing. TDale313 Apr 2016 #38
Should be health and human services Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #39
Maybe she can convince her bosses to give him a gig at Goldman Sachs. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #40
She can't offer him anything because he can't trust her aikoaiko Apr 2016 #43
Depends on whether he brings the votes or not. wildeyed Apr 2016 #44
A Senate seat from Vermont. whistler162 Apr 2016 #46
A one way ticket to Rome. grossproffit Apr 2016 #47
William K Black as her choice for Attorney General would be a nice start. think Apr 2016 #51
he would not accept being on her team larkrake Apr 2016 #53
Which position can be be utilized? Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #54
I don't think Bernie would want to work under someone thebeautifulstruggle Apr 2016 #55
I think your assumption is incorrect. Adrahil Apr 2016 #57
Chairmanship of the Veterans Committee when Hillary help by taking back the Senate. nt ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #58
She will try to offer him opposition Kalidurga Apr 2016 #60
Some Cabinet-level position regulating Wall St and monopolies. It's his passion, and if he accepted moriah Apr 2016 #62
She wont be magnanimous as President Obama was to her! akbacchus_BC Apr 2016 #67

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
12. Bernie lost why should she twist herself in knots and take on what proved to be unpopular ideas
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:43 PM
Apr 2016

She won. I am sick of all other Bernie folks. I heard one of their leaders on CNN saying if Bernie is not the nominee then they will vote for Trump. NO Democrat would do that...I always thought many of them were phonies. The Trump guy loves him some Bernie by the way.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
14. Well, most will
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:50 PM
Apr 2016

Vote for Hillary. But, you understand that Democrats do vote for Republicans. See, e.g., 1980, 1984, 1988, 2000, 2004. Otherwise Republican candidates wouldn't have won. There is only Democratic loyalty in primaries, other wise, people vote how they please. And, most "millennial Bernie Bros" couldn't vote in any of those elections because they were kids or not yet born. So, how many Hillary supporters voted R in those elections because a good amount had to.

TDale313

(7,822 posts)
31. So unpopular she co-opted most of them?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:24 PM
Apr 2016

And still nearly half the party supported him? Keep telling yourself we're insignificant. Independents don't like her, Republicans will crawl over broken glass to vote against her, and she and her supporters keep slapping around those of us on the left. Who exactly do you thing's gonna carry her to victory in November?

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
45. Bernie's ideas aren't unpopular. A lot of people who support HRC actually prefer Bernie's ideas
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:24 PM
Apr 2016

They just bought the "electability" myth, mainly.

It's not as though Bernie's ideas are actually bad or wrong in any real sense.

procon

(15,805 posts)
42. He's probably better off keeping his senate seat and promoting his own policies.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:34 PM
Apr 2016

What could she offer him that would make him amenable to helping her launch her own agenda? That curmudgeonly personality of his might endear him to some, but it won't Hillary get a lot accomplished if she has to follow him around putting out fires.

 

Unicorn

(424 posts)
61. Do you know how much that says? If Sanders is her political enemy it means she is against what he
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:23 PM
Apr 2016

is for. And that's exactly what us sanders supporters have been saying this campaign.

Hillary is not for what Sanders says he is for. She only campaigns that way because she sees it's popular.

She is the enemy of what Sanders is. Welcome to a warhawk for the 1%. I can't believe people call themselves dems and support her. The rest of us look at her actual record and see right though her.

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
3. And there's the difference
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:09 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton would do it to co-opt Bernie and the Warren wing of the party, not because she magnanimous.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. Your presumption that SecState was some kind
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:16 PM
Apr 2016

of consolation prize is completely incorrect. IF she offers him a cabinet post it will be because she feels he is among her best qualified choices for it -- in more ways than one. He's not exactly famous for being a team player, however.

Perhaps his Senate colleagues will put put him one of the really important committees. Chairmen of committees are expected to use their position to fund raise, so Sanders might not want a chairmanship.

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
13. LoL what the hell were Clinton's credentials to be tapped for SoS?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:44 PM
Apr 2016

Dodging sniper fire? Voting for the biggest foreign policy blunder in decades? Being married to a serial philanderer? Employing racist dog whistles against Obama?

dsc

(53,396 posts)
18. to name two things she helped bring about
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:57 PM
Apr 2016

the deal with Iran and the opening of Cuba. Both Obama and Kerry have pointed out that neither of those would have happened but for her work. But I am sure you would have done better.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
56. She had much more foreign policy than Sanders. Also the SOS promotes trade and trade bills,
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:47 PM
Apr 2016

How would Sanders handle trade. It also requiresx establishing relationships, not Sanders strong suit.

Response to Hortensis (Reply #5)

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
48. I don't think it was a consolation prize
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:28 PM
Apr 2016

I truly believe she threatened to go "scorched earth" on Obama and try to
challenge his nomination unless he gave her something huge. Why else did
it take her 4 days to concede after it was clear he won? I think she threatened
him and knowing how unscrupulous she is due to her dirty tricks during the
campaign he caved in and did it. Just a hunch.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
7. I hope nothing.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:17 PM
Apr 2016

If she does, I hope Bernie declines.

I wanted Hillary to decline Obama's offer in 2008.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,529 posts)
8. Or maybe there was a deal.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:18 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary gets SoS if she promises not to primary Obama in 2012. After 4 years she resigns and still has plenty of time to raise lots of money and prepare for 2016.

I'd just as soon see Sanders stay in the Senate where he can have a platform to keep the anti-oligarchy movement alive. If he took a position in a Clinton administration he'd be tainted by the centrist, pro-corporate positions that administration is almost certain to take. Anyhow, she's probably promised all those jobs to the likes of Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein.

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
10. Hillary would never have thought of primarying Obama in 2012
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:22 PM
Apr 2016

she's too loyal of a democrat to do that, and too smart politically.

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
41. I do.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:33 PM
Apr 2016

She's always been a good Dem. That's why she started out with such a huge superdelegate advantage. Loyalty. She's helped a lot of Dems and they are repaying the favors.

OZi

(155 posts)
36. idk about the primary part.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:26 PM
Apr 2016

I would agree that it was planned and strategic. Magnanimous, not so much.

MineralMan

(151,267 posts)
19. Postmaster General?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:59 PM
Apr 2016

Who knows? I expect that Sanders will run for one more Senate term, then retire. But who knows, really?

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
22. Being that Clinton was magnanimous and stepped out of the way when it was clear that Obama won
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:02 PM
Apr 2016

the nomination. So let's see if BS is just as magnanimous first, as it is becoming clear that Secretary Clinton has won the nomination.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
23. Nothing, I hope...
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:07 PM
Apr 2016

...Sanders would be far more useful in the Senate than he would be anywhere in the Clinton administration, with the possible exception of the VP slot--and she's not going to offer that to him...

enid602

(9,684 posts)
24. Bern
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:16 PM
Apr 2016

I've had my head handed to me on a platter before for suggesting this, but I think that Bernie would be a good choice for a cabinet level ACA/healthcare czar. With insurance companies jumping off the ACA boat right and left, we need someone who can scare them into line. I've rarely seen a politician with such a passion for this issue. He has the ability to lazar focus his attention almost to the point of being annoying. Appointing someone who is a known proponent of single payer will send a clear, direct message to all shareholders. Announcing such a coalition prior to the GE will not only charge the troops but make Dem's stance on healthcare crystal clear.

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
34. Or to the Vatican
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:26 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe he could get a meaningful meeting with the Pope. Not just a political stunt.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
50. That would be great, but not sure HRC could arrange that.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:30 PM
Apr 2016

She'd have to get buy-in from whoever succeeds Harry Reid as Senate Dem leader.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
63. He already has seniority on the committee.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:30 PM
Apr 2016

An amicable convention with Sanders calling for unity... It's quite obvious what would be offered. If anything Clinton would have a problem stopping it from happening rather than doing anything to make it happen.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
64. If he would get it by seniority anyway, I'm not sure it matter that much.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:43 PM
Apr 2016

An amiable convention would be great, but the best way to achieve that would be significant platform concessions and a general validation of the Sanders campaign and movement from HRC.

As opposed to the usual thing where the winners just tell the losers to shut up and know their place. The approach that never leads to anything good for the party.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
30. I suspect that Sanders will ask for something that advances his agenda.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:23 PM
Apr 2016

And he will get it.

Sanders doesn't strike me as a candidate that wants to be Secretary of State.
Most likely, he will ask to get sections of his proposed policies advanced.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
35. nothing
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:26 PM
Apr 2016

clinton was still a viable candidate, Sanders is not. He will not run again. Obama was stopping a clinton run in 2012.

I hope Saunders will carve out a place for himself nurturing and mentoring young leaders to carry on his issues campaign.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
37. Will Sanders I hesitantly endorse and campaign for Clinton?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:27 PM
Apr 2016

The SOS offer came AFTER the election.

Add to which, how many of his supporters want him to "sell out" for a Cabinet job implementing Clinton's policies.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
49. The SOS offer was made PUBLICLY after the election.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:29 PM
Apr 2016

Obviously it was part of the deal from the start. She wasn't going to campaign for him and let his administration be free of her presence and influence.

There's nothing in Bernie's actual proposals HRC has any real reason to object to.

Simply working to implement single-payer, for example(even if the effort was not successful) would be useful in creating the conditions for improving the ACA.

And really, it's time we pulled the hell back from the Middle East and gave up, once and for all, on the failed idea of "regime change". If it brought nothing but misery in Iraq and Libya, it can bring nothing but misery in Syria as well.

TDale313

(7,822 posts)
38. Yeah, I'll go with nothing.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:28 PM
Apr 2016

Although to be fair, I always thought the SOS gig was more about keeping Clinton from agitating against him- particularly in 2012- than just being magnanimous.

The Clintons are well known to hold a grudge. The punish their political "enemies" and it supposedly doesn't take much to make that list.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
40. Maybe she can convince her bosses to give him a gig at Goldman Sachs.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:32 PM
Apr 2016

I'd love to see THOSE transcripts if he accepted.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
44. Depends on whether he brings the votes or not.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:19 PM
Apr 2016

Because of the way elections work, the person with the most votes win, so coalitions are built with the number of votes each part of the coalition brings to the table in mind.

If Sanders campaigns for her and can convince his cohort to stay loyal to the party, then he can get quite a lot. But if it is Bernie or Bust..... Well, then not much. Because if you don't vote, or can't be trusted to support the nom, no one wants you on the team.

What does Sanders want that he could actually get? What do you, as a supporter, want? An appointment for a trusted ally to a regulatory position? Particular legislation introduced? This is a serious question.

And Obama wasn't magnaimous, he was smart. So was Clinton, in the end. They buried the hatchet and moved forward in a way that was best for everyone involved.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
51. William K Black as her choice for Attorney General would be a nice start.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:32 PM
Apr 2016

Would Hillary and her supporters have a problem with that?

 
55. I don't think Bernie would want to work under someone
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:46 PM
Apr 2016

who he think is part of the problem

nor do I think Clinton is anywhere near the person Obama is to even offer

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
57. I think your assumption is incorrect.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:13 PM
Apr 2016

You don't offer SoS simply out of magnanimity. He offered it to her because he respected her, and her opinion on foreign policy.

SoS is, arguably, the second most important executive position in the government.... yes, in the end, more important than Veep.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
60. She will try to offer him opposition
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:20 PM
Apr 2016

which is probably a very very bad idea when so far half your party hates you.

moriah

(8,312 posts)
62. Some Cabinet-level position regulating Wall St and monopolies. It's his passion, and if he accepted
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:23 PM
Apr 2016

... he'd do a great job at it.

If he didn't accept, of course, it shouldn't be held against him.

akbacchus_BC

(5,830 posts)
67. She wont be magnanimous as President Obama was to her!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 02:41 AM
Apr 2016

She hates Bermie, he speaks the truth, she does not. Mrs, Clinton stood by her husband whilst he ruined poor people and that shit about three strikes you are out, was effing ridiculous. Welfare reform is another story, I could go on and on. I really think President Obama wanted her to be away, hence electing her as Secretary of State. Was magnanimous of him but it has backfired, she is running on his electing her as a way to get elected as President. I can never forget how she threw the kitchen sink at President Obama during the Primaries and was appalled that he choose her as Secretary of State. She is not Presidential material, she is untrustworthy and not likeable! She lies. Do you all want to vote for a liar -- Bosnia, anyone remember?

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