2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton got Secretary of State because Obama is magnanimous. What will Clinton offer Sanders?
What should Clinton offer Sanders?
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)She never rewards her political enemies.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)She won. I am sick of all other Bernie folks. I heard one of their leaders on CNN saying if Bernie is not the nominee then they will vote for Trump. NO Democrat would do that...I always thought many of them were phonies. The Trump guy loves him some Bernie by the way.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Vote for Hillary. But, you understand that Democrats do vote for Republicans. See, e.g., 1980, 1984, 1988, 2000, 2004. Otherwise Republican candidates wouldn't have won. There is only Democratic loyalty in primaries, other wise, people vote how they please. And, most "millennial Bernie Bros" couldn't vote in any of those elections because they were kids or not yet born. So, how many Hillary supporters voted R in those elections because a good amount had to.
TDale313
(7,822 posts)And still nearly half the party supported him? Keep telling yourself we're insignificant. Independents don't like her, Republicans will crawl over broken glass to vote against her, and she and her supporters keep slapping around those of us on the left. Who exactly do you thing's gonna carry her to victory in November?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)They just bought the "electability" myth, mainly.
It's not as though Bernie's ideas are actually bad or wrong in any real sense.
akbacchus_BC
(5,830 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)What could she offer him that would make him amenable to helping her launch her own agenda? That curmudgeonly personality of his might endear him to some, but it won't Hillary get a lot accomplished if she has to follow him around putting out fires.
Unicorn
(424 posts)is for. And that's exactly what us sanders supporters have been saying this campaign.
Hillary is not for what Sanders says he is for. She only campaigns that way because she sees it's popular.
She is the enemy of what Sanders is. Welcome to a warhawk for the 1%. I can't believe people call themselves dems and support her. The rest of us look at her actual record and see right though her.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)Clinton would do it to co-opt Bernie and the Warren wing of the party, not because she magnanimous.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,270 posts)Bernie can't be bought, particularly by Wall St. operatives.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)of consolation prize is completely incorrect. IF she offers him a cabinet post it will be because she feels he is among her best qualified choices for it -- in more ways than one. He's not exactly famous for being a team player, however.
Perhaps his Senate colleagues will put put him one of the really important committees. Chairmen of committees are expected to use their position to fund raise, so Sanders might not want a chairmanship.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Dodging sniper fire? Voting for the biggest foreign policy blunder in decades? Being married to a serial philanderer? Employing racist dog whistles against Obama?
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)dsc
(53,396 posts)the deal with Iran and the opening of Cuba. Both Obama and Kerry have pointed out that neither of those would have happened but for her work. But I am sure you would have done better.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Neo-liberal camaraderie perhaps?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)How would Sanders handle trade. It also requiresx establishing relationships, not Sanders strong suit.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Response to Hortensis (Reply #5)
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farleftlib
(2,125 posts)I truly believe she threatened to go "scorched earth" on Obama and try to
challenge his nomination unless he gave her something huge. Why else did
it take her 4 days to concede after it was clear he won? I think she threatened
him and knowing how unscrupulous she is due to her dirty tricks during the
campaign he caved in and did it. Just a hunch.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Stuckinthebush
(11,203 posts)NurseJackie
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bigwillq
(72,790 posts)If she does, I hope Bernie declines.
I wanted Hillary to decline Obama's offer in 2008.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,529 posts)Hillary gets SoS if she promises not to primary Obama in 2012. After 4 years she resigns and still has plenty of time to raise lots of money and prepare for 2016.
I'd just as soon see Sanders stay in the Senate where he can have a platform to keep the anti-oligarchy movement alive. If he took a position in a Clinton administration he'd be tainted by the centrist, pro-corporate positions that administration is almost certain to take. Anyhow, she's probably promised all those jobs to the likes of Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)she's too loyal of a democrat to do that, and too smart politically.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)She's always been a good Dem. That's why she started out with such a huge superdelegate advantage. Loyalty. She's helped a lot of Dems and they are repaying the favors.
OZi
(155 posts)I would agree that it was planned and strategic. Magnanimous, not so much.
PufPuf23
(9,852 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)MineralMan
(151,267 posts)Who knows? I expect that Sanders will run for one more Senate term, then retire. But who knows, really?
insta8er
(960 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)the nomination. So let's see if BS is just as magnanimous first, as it is becoming clear that Secretary Clinton has won the nomination.
First Speaker
(4,858 posts)...Sanders would be far more useful in the Senate than he would be anywhere in the Clinton administration, with the possible exception of the VP slot--and she's not going to offer that to him...
enid602
(9,684 posts)I've had my head handed to me on a platter before for suggesting this, but I think that Bernie would be a good choice for a cabinet level ACA/healthcare czar. With insurance companies jumping off the ACA boat right and left, we need someone who can scare them into line. I've rarely seen a politician with such a passion for this issue. He has the ability to lazar focus his attention almost to the point of being annoying. Appointing someone who is a known proponent of single payer will send a clear, direct message to all shareholders. Announcing such a coalition prior to the GE will not only charge the troops but make Dem's stance on healthcare crystal clear.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)beaglelover
(4,466 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Maybe he could get a meaningful meeting with the Pope. Not just a political stunt.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Demand is incredible!
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)Pretty obvious.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)She'd have to get buy-in from whoever succeeds Harry Reid as Senate Dem leader.
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)An amicable convention with Sanders calling for unity... It's quite obvious what would be offered. If anything Clinton would have a problem stopping it from happening rather than doing anything to make it happen.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)An amiable convention would be great, but the best way to achieve that would be significant platform concessions and a general validation of the Sanders campaign and movement from HRC.
As opposed to the usual thing where the winners just tell the losers to shut up and know their place. The approach that never leads to anything good for the party.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)And he will get it.
Sanders doesn't strike me as a candidate that wants to be Secretary of State.
Most likely, he will ask to get sections of his proposed policies advanced.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)clinton was still a viable candidate, Sanders is not. He will not run again. Obama was stopping a clinton run in 2012.
I hope Saunders will carve out a place for himself nurturing and mentoring young leaders to carry on his issues campaign.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)The SOS offer came AFTER the election.
Add to which, how many of his supporters want him to "sell out" for a Cabinet job implementing Clinton's policies.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Obviously it was part of the deal from the start. She wasn't going to campaign for him and let his administration be free of her presence and influence.
There's nothing in Bernie's actual proposals HRC has any real reason to object to.
Simply working to implement single-payer, for example(even if the effort was not successful) would be useful in creating the conditions for improving the ACA.
And really, it's time we pulled the hell back from the Middle East and gave up, once and for all, on the failed idea of "regime change". If it brought nothing but misery in Iraq and Libya, it can bring nothing but misery in Syria as well.
TDale313
(7,822 posts)Although to be fair, I always thought the SOS gig was more about keeping Clinton from agitating against him- particularly in 2012- than just being magnanimous.
The Clintons are well known to hold a grudge. The punish their political "enemies" and it supposedly doesn't take much to make that list.
Fresh_Start
(11,365 posts)issues close to Bernie's heart
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)I'd love to see THOSE transcripts if he accepted.
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)...to deliver.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Because of the way elections work, the person with the most votes win, so coalitions are built with the number of votes each part of the coalition brings to the table in mind.
If Sanders campaigns for her and can convince his cohort to stay loyal to the party, then he can get quite a lot. But if it is Bernie or Bust..... Well, then not much. Because if you don't vote, or can't be trusted to support the nom, no one wants you on the team.
What does Sanders want that he could actually get? What do you, as a supporter, want? An appointment for a trusted ally to a regulatory position? Particular legislation introduced? This is a serious question.
And Obama wasn't magnaimous, he was smart. So was Clinton, in the end. They buried the hatchet and moved forward in a way that was best for everyone involved.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)think
(11,641 posts)Would Hillary and her supporters have a problem with that?
larkrake
(1,674 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)thebeautifulstruggle
(95 posts)who he think is part of the problem
nor do I think Clinton is anywhere near the person Obama is to even offer
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)You don't offer SoS simply out of magnanimity. He offered it to her because he respected her, and her opinion on foreign policy.
SoS is, arguably, the second most important executive position in the government.... yes, in the end, more important than Veep.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)which is probably a very very bad idea when so far half your party hates you.
moriah
(8,312 posts)... he'd do a great job at it.
If he didn't accept, of course, it shouldn't be held against him.
akbacchus_BC
(5,830 posts)She hates Bermie, he speaks the truth, she does not. Mrs, Clinton stood by her husband whilst he ruined poor people and that shit about three strikes you are out, was effing ridiculous. Welfare reform is another story, I could go on and on. I really think President Obama wanted her to be away, hence electing her as Secretary of State. Was magnanimous of him but it has backfired, she is running on his electing her as a way to get elected as President. I can never forget how she threw the kitchen sink at President Obama during the Primaries and was appalled that he choose her as Secretary of State. She is not Presidential material, she is untrustworthy and not likeable! She lies. Do you all want to vote for a liar -- Bosnia, anyone remember?