Bernie looked demoralized on MTP this morning ...

[salinsky]

... bitter, disillusioned, and pointing fingers of blame.

I think he senses the curtain is coming down on his campaign.

I'd feel bad for him if he hadn't gone so negative and become so loose with the truth recently.

[dchill]

1. Following the Brockster's playbook, I see.

And your post is complete and utter bullshit. I know you know that, but there might be an innocent reader who would see it and become demoralized. We don't want that.

[salinsky]

20. Just a casual observation is all ...

... but, what is it with you people and Brock?

When the milk spoils in the fridge, is your reaction, "Dammit, Brock!!"?

[dchill]

25. So you came up with the "demoralized" meme on your own.

Like the virgin birth of an idea? Don't make me laugh!

Too late.

[salinsky]

37. I didn't get a playbook, bro ...

... as matter of fact, I didn't even make up my mind until a couple of months ago.

I know it hurts your tender feeling, but some of us just believe Hillary is the better candidate.

[dchill]

39. Cool story.

Bro.

[salinsky]

42. I know it's hard to swallow ...

... but Hillary's entire campaign is not a grand conspiracy, and the fact is your candidate is simply losing.

Sorry to burst the Bernie Bro Bubble.

[dchill]

45. No. It's not a conspiracy.

It's a lie. Like the Bernie Bro Bubble, bro. It's a sad day any day that you believe anything Hillary says.

[KPN]

54. No it is pure 100% unadulterated Machiavellian ...

and you are among the duped sorry to say.

[Cal33]

67. Then how do you explain that about 60% of the American people prefer Sanders to Hillary? Poll

after poll since the summer of 2015 comparing Sanders and Clinton to the Republican
presidential candidates, always show Sanders way ahead of her.

The only reasons for Clinton being ahead of Sanders in the Democratic Primaries
are the bias of the DNC for her, and the irregularities that have been going on at the
elections. A law-suit against the BOE in New York is going on right now.

The above cannot be denied -- not even to yourself.

[salinsky]

69. No, it's because more people have voted for her ...

... this trend will continue.

[Cal33]

75. You are avoiding my points. I see no further point in debating with you.

[salinsky]

79. That's cool ...

... the point is Hillary is winning and Bernie is losing.

I don't give s shit about the polls.

Polls don't vote.

And, Hillary is not responsible for the way the states have conducted their primaries.

[Sheepshank]

101. Also, rally attendees, young and poor don't vote

According to stats

[peacebird]

157. Until the general election, when she will get crushed.

Because indies are not into her, Rs despise her, and an awful lot of Bernie supporters are disgusted by her and will not vote for her.

[salinsky]

164. Progressive indies will vote for her ...

... and if Trump is the nominee, so will many conservative indies and sane Republicans.

It'll be a landslide.

[peacebird]

219. Wow, I need the drugs YOU are taking...

[salinsky]

221. It's just reality ...

... get out of the bubble and breathe some oxygen.

[peacebird]

222. I do breathe nicely, thanks. I am Bernie or Bust, and happily so!

I will never vote for the corporatist warmongerer that is Hillary.

[salinsky]

223. You're high on your own supply ...

... but don't worry, I'm not here to do interventions.

I really don't give a shit for whom you vote.

[peacebird]

224. My my my, such language! Tut, tut!

[Duckhunter935]

229. Seem to get very worked up

If you do not care, lol

[salinsky]

236. I really don't need a dog in the fight ...

.... to insult idiots.

My mother taught me not to suffer fools.

[Duckhunter935]

247. Doubling down

I am impressed,. I will not even bother to alert and let me guess your transparency page is all lit up with at least 5 hides. I am so glad I am better than that.

[Duckhunter935]

227. Seems all that poster has is insults

That will make me want to vote for her

[Duckhunter935]

78. In closed primaries

Tbe funny thing about the general election, it is not closed and she wi need the independent voters.

[brush]

136. She'll get her share and Trump will his

Indies are not monolithic and come in all political stripes — some more conservative, some moderate and some left-leaning.

Hillary will get many of the left-leaning and moderate independents, plus the huge Obama coalition of African Americans, Latino Americans, Asian Americans, women, gays, progressive whites who are not die-hard Sanders suppoters vowing to write-in, vote Green or stay home, and Native Americans, all who elected Obama in '08 and '12.

These demographic segments outnumber Trump supporters who are mostly white. 2012 showed that. You can't rely only on the white vote, including conservative independents and those angry white men who show at Trump rallies, to win a national election anymore. Those days are long gone. Romney won a huge majority of whites in 2012 and lost handily.

So that's the funny thing about the general election — it reflects reality and the reality is that the country is browning as we speak (2012 marked the first year minority births outnumbered white births), and the tattered repug party — after they try to steal the nomination from Trump — won't be able to elect trump or Cruz for dog catcher in November, much less president.

[Duckhunter935]

153. And just the thought of Hillary will

Energize every republican to get to the polls as they hate her. Many democrats will not crawl through broken glass to vote like them.

[salinsky]

166. There are many Republicans that'll NEVER vote for Trump ...

... under any circumstances.

[Duckhunter935]

174. Keep believing that

[brush]

254. We outnumber them. White votes only can not elect a president anymore.

And not only that, the repugs haven't elected a president since H.W. Bush in '88.

They stole it in Florida for Bush in '00 (the Brooks Brothers riot and SCOTUS) and again in Ohio in '04 (Rove and Ken Blackwell's vote count machinations).

[ChiciB1]

151. You REALLY Need To Understand That There Is A VERY GOOD REALITY THAT...

the numbers say ONE thing, but the real truth is that VOTING HAS BECOME A JOKE here in America!

I seriously doubt that a person with such HIGH, HIGH negatives has actually gotten more votes LEGALLY!

Dream on because you may find that those lovely dreams turn to REAL NIGHTMARES!

The body snatchers have taken you over, maybe????

[Ed Suspicious]

179. I agree and I'm sick of pretending I don't. This eye-opening election has

been exposed as a straight up fucking sham.

[brush]

133. Try the polls are his New York defeat.

[Duckhunter935]

77. Love the insults

We know her campaign is a lie as her positions will evolve back after he is gone. It is telling you have all of the poi ts down, I am impressed.

[salinsky]

83. That's because I'm following the playbook ...

... amirite?

Bernie Bros are so above insults.

[MrMickeysMom]

178. Why do you keep using that description?

You know... the one that ends with "Bernie Bro"?

[salinsky]

183. U mad, bro? ... nt

[Cal33]

269. Is it possible that he might be one of those who has been sent here to spread discord among

the Sanders supporters? This reminds me so much of the way the Republicans operate.

[Fairgo]

193. And yet you manage to swallow

I'm guessing it gets better with practice.

[salinsky]

196. I'm not the one being forced to swallow something I find unpleasant ...

... but, you seem to know what you're talking about, so ...

[chascarrillo]

80. Member since: Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:10 PM -nt-

[salinsky]

86. Yah! ....

.... and banned from the Hillary group within a week of joining.

Want to try again?

[Ned_Devine]

184. I saw that too. Why does anyone who's been here as long as we have...

...even give in to the temptation to respond to this type of nonsense?

[salinsky]

197. Response #184 ...

... nice restraint, bro!

[Ned_Devine]

206. I wasn't talking to you bro.

But while you're at it, go eat a bag of shit

[salinsky]

208. Mmmmmmwah!!...

... I love you bros.

You're so suhweet.

[Ned_Devine]

210. So's your mom

As soon as I'm done with her, she's gonna want you to put on your pj's, shut the computer off and get to beddy bye little guy

[salinsky]

216. Wow ... That's the most brotastic post of the night ...

... good job, I guess?

[MrMickeysMom]

176. BRO?

Why you calling people here a "BRO"?

[salinsky]

186. You got a problem with bro, bro?

Why??

[snowy owl]

125. "you people & Brock" - confirmation

The honest on this board know who and what David Brock is. You would as well if you were honest. Enjoy the money.

[salinsky]

128. Honestly, I had forgotten who he was before joining DU ...

... but yeah, a political operative (hack).

Ick.

But, both campaigns have them.

- my 666th post!

[snowy owl]

132. No, they don't.

From Bernie's own lips. I wish you'd answer this question: why does she need to pay people like you?

[salinsky]

139. I'm not getting paid, bro ...

... there, I answered your question.

Now, you answer one ...

... Why are Bernie Bros so damn paranoid??

[snowy owl]

148. Truth? I don't know who they are or where they come from. Could be Clinton...

[snowy owl]

149. The “Bernie Bros” Narrative: a Cheap Campaign Tactic Masquerading as Journalism and Social Activism

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/31/the-bernie-bros-narrative-a-cheap-false-campaign-tactic-masquerading-as-journalism-and-social-activism/

The “Bernie Bros” Narrative: a Cheap Campaign Tactic Masquerading as Journalism and Social Activism

Glenn Greenwald
Jan. 31 2016, 5:42 a.m.

The concoction of the “Bernie Bro” narrative by pro-Clinton journalists has been a potent political tactic — and a journalistic disgrace. It’s intended to imply two equally false claims: (1) a refusal to march enthusiastically behind the Wall Street-enriched, multiple-war-advocating, despot-embracing Hillary Clinton is explainable not by ideology or political conviction, but largely if not exclusively by sexism: demonstrated by the fact that men, not women, support Sanders (his supporters are “bros”); and (2) Sanders supporters are uniquely abusive and misogynistic in their online behavior. Needless to say, a crucial tactical prong of this innuendo is that any attempt to refute it is itself proof of insensitivity to sexism if not sexism itself (as the accusatory reactions to this article will instantly illustrate).

It’s become such an all-purpose, handy pro-Clinton smear that even consummate, actual “bros” for whom the term was originally coined — straight guys who act with entitlement and aggression, such as Paul Krugman — are now reflexively (and unironically) applying it to anyone who speaks ill of Hillary Clinton, even when they know nothing else about the people they’re smearing, including their gender, age, or sexual orientation. Thus, a male policy analyst who criticized Sanders’ health care plan “is getting the Bernie Bro treatment,” sneered Krugman. Unfortunately for the New York Times Bro, that analyst, Charles Gaba, said in response that he’s “really not comfortable with [Krugman’s] referring to die-hard Bernie Sanders supporters as ‘Bernie Bros'” because it “implies that only college-age men support Sen. Sanders, which obviously isn’t the case.”

But truth doesn’t matter here — at all. Instead, the goal is to inherently delegitimize all critics of Hillary Clinton by accusing them of, or at least associating them with, sexism, thus distracting attention away from Clinton’s policy views, funding, and political history and directing it toward the online behavior of anonymous, random, isolated people on the internet claiming to be Sanders supporters. It’s an effective weapon when wielded by Clinton operatives. But, given its blatant falsity, it has zero place in anything purporting to be “journalism.”

You're paid to be pro-HRC so why don't you know this already?

[MrMickeysMom]

192. Do you think it costs $12/hour to hire that kind of job, or do you think ...

... there would be a respectably better minimum wage of $15/hour?

[salinsky]

198. Bernie's only paying $10.10, so ...

... there's that.

[snowy owl]

213. I wish you would stop lying. You have no facts nor evidence.

[salinsky]

218. I already gave you the links, dude ...

... stop embarrassing yourself.

[snowy owl]

256. They were duds, dude. Besides, the rules are you're supposed to be nice to me.

[snowy owl]

209. Who? Berniebros? Interns for Bernie's campaign? Not following you.

Are you talking about the act of blogging or being an intern learning about communications in a campaign?

[MrMickeysMom]

214. No...

Trolling and internet bullying. I'd say he's getting $12 for that job, rather than $15.

[snowy owl]

255. Who knows. Do you think it's worth $7.50? Some advice I found online...

http://usuncut.com/politics/clinton-super-pac-busted/

BUSTED: Pro-Clinton Super PAC Caught Spending $1 Million on Social Media Trolls

A Super PAC headed by a longtime Clinton operative is spending $1 million to hire online trolls to “correct” Bernie Sanders’ supporters on social media.

In a Reddit comments thread about CTR’s new project, Reddit user and Sanders supporter /u/workythehand, gave other commenters advice on how to identify and engage with one of David Brock’s paid commenters:

The best tactic to use against “professionals” is to simply downvote and move on. The more you argue with them, the more likely people will read the astroturfer’s posts.

Keep your eyes out for very young accounts, repetition of phrasing and syntax (the same “Sanders only diagnoses the problem…” talking points, for instance) in every post, and rapid fire posting – 10+ comments in the span of a few minutes is a good indicator.

Libby Watson of the Sunlight Foundation told the Daily Beast on Thursday that FEC loopholes allow the Hillary Clinton campaign and David Brock’s Super PAC to coordinate with one another, despite the Citizens United vs. FEC Supreme Court decision prohibiting a Super PAC’s independent expenditures from going directly toward a particular candidate.

“It’s not totally clear what [CTR’s] reasoning is, but it seems to be that material posted on the internet for free—like, blogs—doesn’t count as an ‘independent expenditure,’” Watson said. She continued by addressing the unprecedented nature of the project.

She concluded with a damning assessment: “Campaign finance lawyers are not that impressed with [CTR’s] logic, but they can get away with it because the [Federal Election Commission] is deadlocked and does nothing.”

Watson also made note of the unprecedented and bizarre nature of the program, saying, “Usually places like MMFA and CTR are defending her against the media and established figures. This seems to be going after essentially random individuals online,” she said. “I don’t know that they’ve done anything like this before.”

[salinsky]

266. Bernie has spent $16 million ...

... that's a lot of trolling.

[snowy owl]

259. From Mother Jones re David Brock

[link:|

Hillary Clinton has always had a rocky relationship with the press, thanks in part to dealing with conservative smear artists like the young Brock. Correct the Record reflects her prickly approach to media relations. The group spent much of the early summer sending out press releases touting the sales of Clinton's book and tweeting about stories that questioned the numbers. When New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd wrote a column about the lavish speaking fees commanded by Hillary and daughter Chelsea, Correct fired back with a dossier on Dowd, highlighting her own speaking fees.

But this strategy could backfire. Hillary has always struggled with the perception that she is inauthentic and quick to become defensive; being shielded by a group that pounces on every slight could reinforce that image.

[salinsky]

274. Bernie has spent way too much for an online presence ...

... and, not nearly enough on getting people out to knock on doors.

Not a winning strategy.

[KelleyD]

160. Let's get real. This is not against the Bernie people...we are getting ready for the General.

Sorry but the Primary race is over and we are gearing up to fight the lies that the Rebubs will march out. Bernie made a mistake by taking the advice of Weaver and Devine by going negative...ruined his brand. I like Bernie but could never visualize him as our President. So relax people...he is not coming after you...Trump Cruz are in their sights!

[MrMickeysMom]

202. I don't think that's part of the hiring plan...

Hire people who are willing to work for greater than $7.25, but not TOO much greater... Make sure they have a quota to see how much work they can do in order to get "overtime" extra shifts....

Naturally, this makes them tired over time and timely post again. This makes them a bit nasty, which feeds into the, "I hate this fuckin job" syndrome, and thus, the loss of knowing what it's like to ever give a shit again.

[salinsky]

225. You should quit damaging the Bernie campaign for free ...

... Bernie will pay you $10.10 to do it.

Why does Bernie support slave wages??

[merrily]

189. I was afraid Bernie was babbling about snipers in airports, trying to join the Marines and

being named after news anchor Bernard Shaw.

The Op scared me for a second!

[salinsky]

195. Old news ...

... good luck with it tho.

[merrily]

265. Nope. She recently repeated the Marine fairy tale. More to the point,

she's proven her propensity to make up stuff she thinks will help her.

It's sad that you think "old news" is either accurate or meaningful, but, hey, if it's all you've got....

On the other hand, if that were all I had, I may have kept that to myself by not posting at all.

"Tis better to remain silent" and all that.

[dchill]

277. Old lies are no lies?

Not. Just not. Especially when they're repeated. That's when they become "big lies." The HRC campaign is not a candidacy - it's a cult. Deprogramming is the only answer.

[woodsprite]

276. He looked great and was pumped in Wilmington, DE on Saturday!

and Rosario Dawson was great as well!

[uponit7771]

2. +1, Team Used Car Salesmen (Devine Weaver) totally ignored the 2008 election and went down the

... same path Clinton lost with

[dchill]

26. That would be the 2016 Clinton campaign...

doing that.

[uponit7771]

62. 2.5 million more votes = you're wrong

[snowy owl]

127. If she's so popular, beloved, trusted. . . why care about social media? Why pay trolls?

[salinsky]

140. If she wanted to smear Bernie's good name ...

... she'd pay the Bernie Bros, but they're already doing a helluva job for free.

[snowy owl]

260. We've covered that. You out of a job? $7.25 looks good I guess.

[salinsky]

60. I think of them more as ...

... Team Reverse Mortgage.

[uponit7771]

64. lol!!!

[aikoaiko]

124. Totally like HRC '08 except for the different message, no big PACs, no former POTUS stumping, etc.

Now I know why you hate Bernie -- you're under the delusion he is like Hillary 2008.

[Vinca]

3. Bernie hasn't gone negative. He has pointed out facts.

If you want to see negative, just wait for the general election. It will be worse than anything we've ever seen before.

[hobbit709]

4. Telling facts about HRC is going negative to Camp Weathervane.

[Major Hogwash]

154. Charles Koch just endorsed her.

Wonder how they will spin that one!!

Rachel's head will 'splode when she hears about that!!!

[salinsky]

199. Koch's not endorsing ...

... he's just Bernie fluffing for the low info voter.

[snowy owl]

261. Low info voters pay attention to Koch? Hahahahaha! Best one today. Getting tired are you?

[uponit7771]

12. blaming poor people isn't stating facts

[Bluenorthwest]

15. Facts Camp Clinton Style:

[uponit7771]

17. Blaming poor still isn't stating facts and she got that one wrong...

[dchill]

29. Stop it! You're demoralizing me!

[Hoyt]

16. +1. Well he and supporters have slammed every other good Democrat, now let's slam the poor.

[Armstead]

22. Bullshit

Stating facts is not "blaming."

Every time I think you're reasonable.....

[uponit7771]

57. The onus is not on poor people, its on Sanders and poor people do vote... he's 100% false.

... I was poor and I voted.

We were mobilized against Bush, Sanders spent his time having rallies

[Duckhunter935]

84. Some do, a lot do not

Those are facts

[Hoyt]

93. Maybe so, but why blame/slam them?

[Duckhunter935]

118. As i said he should have been more tactful

But he was factually correct

[Maru Kitteh]

257. The poor have voted for Hillary, so how was he factually correct?

Fact: the poor have voted in greater measure for Hillary
Fact: Poor voters are proportionally underrepresented in all elections

The facts suggest that if more poor vote Hillary benefits by an even greater margin.

[Armstead]

112. You are just bending stuff now

It's ridiculous to say Sanders is putting the "onus" on anyone. Fer Chrisake, you'd think he was running around in low income neighborhoods with a bullhorn yelling "You jerks! You should have voted for me! To hell with you all!"

For Gods sake....Some of you all are twisting everything he has been working for all his damn life in an effort to demonize him and negate everything he has stood for and fought for all his life. I'm sick of it.

[Duckhunter935]

119. Meme of the day

The talking points have been released unlike her quarter of a million dollar transcripts

[uponit7771]

30. So true, its never his fault... never his message... he's never done anything wrong and its

... been more than just once or twice.

Hillary has better character, she never blamed the people she was supposed to be reaching for her loss in 088

[Duckhunter935]

85. Better character

[Beowulf]

161. Never blamed anyone?

Yet she keeps an enemies list according to former staffers.

[uponit7771]

182. She also killed Abe Lincoln according to FAUX news, seems they're a credible place for info here now

[alcibiades_mystery]

81. They are in desperate flailing mode

Tuesday is going to be an absolute joy, as they invent excuse after excuse for their latest string of losses that they "didn't actually lose!"

[salinsky]

107. "Hillary's being mean and cheating again!!" ....

.... it gets old real quick.

[alcibiades_mystery]

135. The people who have accused Hillary Clinton of everything and anything wil warn us not to gloat

Or we'll lose their vote!

Good Lord, these are people who can dish it out, but can't take it.

[Vinca]

58. I frequent a local thrift shop where many people buy their clothes.

Many of them don't look like they're rolling in money. Just for the heck of it, I'm going to ask people if they consider themselves "poor" and, if so, whether or not they vote. I'm betting most will not be voters. People who are poor can't take time off work to vote. They don't have money for child care so they can go vote. Many assume that since nothing much has been done for poor people in the past 50+ years, the chances are slim anything will be done now, so why bother? What Bernie said isn't untrue. If you look at the population of this country and the number who bother to vote, it's rather shameful. I assume there are poor people in that number.

[uponit7771]

59. The context is why is he losing... placing any onus on anything else but himself is poor character

[Vinca]

61. How do you account for the largest crowds and largest donations in history if he's the problem?

I don't think he is the problem. Just because he can't court the status quo Democratic voters doesn't make him the problem. Half the Democratic Party is Republican-lite for heaven's sake.

[uponit7771]

66. Crowds and donations don't vote, my goodness... why are we going through this!?!?

He is the problem, he's preaching about loss of economic security to people who have none...

His outreach to "southern states" was piss poor at best and that's from his own advisers saying they didn't put too much resources in those states.

They pretty much ignored the fact that Obama grabbed tons of PD votes from those "southern states" (aka where a lot of black people live) just like Obama did

[Vinca]

68. I think the real question is, how has Hillary managed to con so many people?

What a shocker it's going to be when she nosedives back to the right. It's going to be fun to watch her defenders.

[uponit7771]

70. No, the real question is why hasn't his messaged reached the very people who he was supposed...

... to have vote for him?

It doesn't matter what she does at this point, the people who hate her will continue to demonize her outright

[redstateblues]

106. Bullshit. Any proof for your smear?

[Vinca]

268. Where shall I start?

Bill Clinton signing Newt Gringrich's bills for welfare and prison reform? The Obama healthcare bill WITHOUT a public option. TPP? Fracking? Endless war? The last bona fide Democrat in the White House was Jimmy Carter.

[Hoyt]

97. I won't argue that is true, but nowadays most people do not have to go to the polls.

We may need to work on that message -- recommend early voting, voting by mail, helping people do it, etc. -- but the time off from work excuse really doesn't/shouldn't apply nowadays.

[grasswire]

258. plus transportation issues. nt

[Duckhunter935]

82. He is correct factually

But not as tactful as you like. Young and poor tend to vote less, tbose are indeed facts. Not blaming, just correctly pointing out facts.

[salinsky]

88. If he wanted those votes ....

.... he should've gone out and gotten them.

He failed to do so.

Blaming people for not voting for you is lame.

[Duckhunter935]

116. He cant make them vote

To bad they are voting for the corporate candidate that will do little for them

[salinsky]

129. I guess you're right ...

... Bernie only inspires middle-class white folk.

[Duckhunter935]

150. Very racist statement

In my opinion

[salinsky]

200. Your opinion is duly noted for what it's worth ...

... uninformed.

[Duckhunter935]

226. And now insults

Very nice, shows your true self.

[salinsky]

228. Sorry about your feeeeeeelings, bro ... nt

[Duckhunter935]

231. I am glad I am not your brother

Or was that another lame attempt at an insult or to try and get a hide?

[salinsky]

232. Me too. I'd hate that. ... nt

[Duckhunter935]

233. To bad the insults backfired

[salinsky]

237. Mmmkay...

... [gentle pat on the backside], get on the bus, honey.

[Duckhunter935]

245. Lol

[nadinbrzezinski]

91. Hmm well known facts

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/05/news/economy/poor-people-voting-rights/

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2014/11/06/100627/why-young-minority-and-low-income-citizens-dont-vote/

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/01/why-are-the-poor-and-minorities-less-likely-to-vote/282896/

Here, the rest of the first page of google

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=poor%20do%20not%20vote

And you know what? I get it why people don't vote. I am inclined to agree with them. It is a waste of time at this point, and they particularly do not have time to waste on something that gets them nothing for their troubles.

Look up the word oligarchy...

He stated a fact, that promptly you and your friends misrepresent... this is a patter with you people and it is very much a Right WING tactic. Happy to see you are adopting them, becuase right wing parties need right wing techniques. And yes, I consider the party realignment almost complete.

[salinsky]

275. It appears that he's backing off the negativity and is coming to terms with the math ...

... I received an email from the campaign yesterday, and it included this ...

Why do we keep fighting to the 2016 Democratic National Convention?

Because we have a chance of putting Bernie’s platform as the Democratic Platform for the next 4 years.

This is the 2012 Democratic Platform that was decided at the 2012 DNC.

Help make Bernie’s platform the Democratic Platform!

We need to keep fighting for delegates who will fight for his platform at the DNC in July.

Go, Bernie!

[Segami]

5. You should be more concerned about Hillary not winning the GE.

Hillary will not be capable of handling a re-tooled & focused Trump.....


By supporting Hillary, you will be helping to elect Trump in November.

[salinsky]

21. Not concerned with Trump ...

... in the least.

Hillary will pulverize him.

[yourpaljoey]

56. no one believes that

[Zynx]

155. Most people do.

Very few people think Trump can win a general election.

[emulatorloo]

235. There's a reason Palin wasn't elected in '08. Sane people didn't vote for her.

Sane voters aren't gonna vote for Trump or Cruz either.

[whatchamacallit]

6. What a load of shit

Your time would be better spent trying to make Clinton more palatable because tearing Bernie down only drives people further away.

Unless that's your intention.

[uponit7771]

14. 2.5 million more votes = more palatable than Sanders

[whatchamacallit]

18. Not to enough people to win the GE

But you go ahead with the fantasy that she's got this in the bag without independents and a sizable number of Bernie democrats.

[salinsky]

24. Bernie supporters who are Democrats ...

... will vote for the Democratic nominee.

Those who aren't can feel free to flush their votes down the toilet or sit on their thumbs.

Who cares?

[whatchamacallit]

28. I'm a democrat and I feel

voting for Clinton is also like flushing my vote down the toilet.

[salinsky]

103. That's really unfortunate ... nt

[reddread]

27. the further left the screenname

the further right the agenda

[salinsky]

44. Actually, I adopted the name because it pissed off freepers ....

.... but, glad to know it's equally effective with Bros.

[reddread]

113. really?

try dropping it in front of Hillary marketers. they go apeshit.

[beedle]

9. "and become so loose with the truth recently"??

You want to back that shit up with a fucking fact?

Of course you don't, you're a Hillary supporter. Facts are whatever Hillary says they are at any given minute .. even if they contradict what she claimed as fact the minute before.

[Blanks]

33. Met with the pope. Nuff said. eom

[beedle]

36. Got the Quote? Nuff said. eom

[salinsky]

38. "We have a clear path to victory."

Even he's backed away from that one.

[beedle]

46. So that's the standard you are going to apply?

Does this count for Hillary as well? If she predicts something that doesn't fully play out, we can accuse her of being 'loose with the truth', and play it as disqualifying?

After all, it's not like he claimed to be dodging sniper fire in Bosnia, is it?

[salinsky]

49. I didn't say it disqualified him ...

... but, it's definitely a hefty whopper.

[beedle]

71. so is 'dodging sniper fire in Bosnia'

A much bigger whopper as a matter of fact.

[salinsky]

76. You won't find me defending that ...

... but, it is old news.

[beedle]

87. Not as old as the vast majority of Hillary's 'experience'

... so you're saying Hillary's 'experience' is old news and not worth mentioning either? So it's only lies and bad judgment that have expiration dates?

[salinsky]

89. I never said it had an expiration date ...

... keep trying, if that's all you've got.

[beedle]

90. Obviously you didn't

... in truth you've actually said absolutely nothing.

You imply a lot, but never actually take responsibility for anything you imply ... now where have I seen that before?

[salinsky]

92. Just because I refuse to conform to the words you're trying to ...

... attribute to me, doesn't mean I'm not saying anything, bro.

I just means you're not very good at this.

[beedle]

99. So what 'words' are you trying to 'conform' to?

I'm not into fake 'political correctness' if that's what you mean ... using terms like 'loose with the truth' instead of 'lies' which is what you meant, when talking about a statement Bernie made in the middle of the campaign when he had clear momentum .... and pretending that was the same thing as Hillary lying (yes, I said it, LYING, no fake bullshit playing 'loose' with the meaning of words) about sniper fire.

If 'loose with the truth' is not the same as a 'lie' to you, then your candidate, Hillary Clinton, did not 'play loose with the truth', she fucking well LIED.

Now, either accuse Bernie of lying or at the very least admit that Hillary is a LIAR. That is if you have a ounce of integrity left after going all in for your war mongering profiteer candidate.

[salinsky]

104. Well, I'm gonna say you're "rationalizing" ...

... but in reality, you're just "full of shit".

[beedle]

108. Finally, you actually had the balls to say something direct

Now, if only you could cal a liar a liar when they lie, you'd be well on your way to recovery.

[Ed Suspicious]

185. This whole exercise is supposed to be about evaluating that old news to see what kind of new

news a candidate might make as president.

[salinsky]

188. Good luck with that ... nt

[Blanks]

72. Bernie says 'extraordinary' meeting...

Pope says 'good manners', psychiatrist etc.

[salinsky]

95. Dammit! ....

.... and the stunt didn't even pay off.

[tonedevil]

10. Since you have always been...

a solid Senator Sanders supporter this must be significant.

[blm]

11. He's exhausted - cut him a break.

Last edited Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:20 AM - Edit history (1)

Could any of us have maintained his schedule without collapsing long ago?

Sometimes the potshots are JUST potshots. Not necessary, imo.

PS….I watched the replay and think you exaggerated - he looked energetic.

[Lucinda]

98. He is running for election to one of the few jobs on the planet that gets zero "breaks"

If he can't handle the "interview process" he certainly wouldn't be up to the job.

[KansDem]

109. HA!! The Prez gets "zero breaks?"

Here's The Prez taking a break after learning the US was under attack!



Nice try!

[Lucinda]

110. They must be able to make decisions 24/7. Surely you know that?

And Junior isn't much of an example of a POTUS. You seriously think he was the guy running things?

[salinsky]

115. You're setting the bar at Dubya??? ....

.... far out, dude.

[blm]

271. He handled it fine, and, looking tired occasionally happens to both candidates.

I feel for both of them, at this point, which makes me a bad Democrat to some here at DU.

[MrMickeysMom]

201. Well, this settles it...

$12

[salinsky]

204. Bernie's only paying $10.10 ...

... I'm holding out for $15.

[blm]

270. You seem to have a problem with Dems on DU sticking up for Dem candidates

when they are being depicted unfairly.

Apparently, some folks in both camps have invested yourselves in narratives that you want to believe. I guess it makes life more interesting for some.

Not sure why you would feel I need to be targeted after all this time. When did I become an enemy?

[Bluenorthwest]

13. A totally dishonest post from a DUer who does nothing but bash at Bernie since joining.

It's dull and boring and ugly. Reagan Democrats, never did care for them.

[salinsky]

40. Actually, I was banned from the Hillary within a week of joining DU ...

... so no.

[LiberalFighter]

53. Yep! Just checked and he was banned.

[MrMickeysMom]

205. Anyone with more than one post is banned...

Next?

[redstateblues]

250. Oh gee. What you just accused him of is what most of BSS do

Everyday all day

[jimmy_crack_corn]

19. Each person needs to judge for themselves as opposed to editorial interpertations

Bottom line is see the interview for yourself and decide I did not see ... bitter, disillusioned, and pointing fingers of blame.

By the way here is Bernie this morning..... https://twitter.com/RBReich/status/724262065091829760

I know there are those who pose as bernie suporters but are really $$ Hillary Bots

[Bread and Circus]

23. "loose with the truth" LoL... The irony escapes you.

[LibDemAlways]

31. Nowhere near as demoralized as you will look when

Hillary has her ass handed to her in November.

[riversedge]

32. Does Bernie ever take responsibility or just blame others? #PoorDontVoteBS

I do not know if this is a pic from MTP or not. He looks angry here.


Vivian Griffin Retweeted
George D. ?@xdelmar59 2h2 hours ago

Does Bernie ever take responsibility or just blame others? #PoorDontVoteBS #FeeltheBern #PoorDontVoteBS

[uponit7771]

55. +1...Him blaming the poor is bad character, he's never fuckin wrong about anything

[appalachiablue]

194. Anger's this one, lashing out telling black activists in Philly they're responsible

for crime and drugs and Hillary was right about the Crime and Welfare Laws begun in the 90s on April 6.



Hill rages, goes off on and wrongly accuses environment activist at rally March 31, never acknowledges or apologizes.

[bjo59]

34. Nice strategy. Take that term "demoralize"

and paste it back on to "the enemy" in the continuing effort to demoralize his supporters. Whatever. Give it your best. Good luck to you.

[noretreatnosurrender]

35. Speaking of Loose With the Truth

I think you've won that honor.

[Sky Masterson]

41. He just looked like he knew the hit Job

MSHRC's MEET the Press were going to apply to him.

[hopeforchange2008]

43. What a load.

[frylock]

47. Stay down. You're beat.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

48. he thought he'd win, and now he knows he can't, no matter what his surrogates are saying

it is demoralizing.

[salinsky]

50. But, but, but ...

... the birdie, ...

... and, the Pope!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

51. Clinton in 08 around this point was looking pretty sad too

it is sad and demoralizing to almost win. almost worse than it is to straight up lose early in the process

[Thinkingabout]

52. Perhaps staying on the issues rather than spinning the talking points would have served in a more

effective manner.

[salinsky]

73. Say what?

Where in my profile does it say I'm a "Sanders supporter"??

It's says the Sanders group is my "favorite" group only because I was banned from the Hillary group literally within a week of joining.

So, what's that tell ya?

Feel free to ignore me tho, if makes you feel better.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

65. There are no facts, only interpretations. Friedrich Nietzsche See OP as pertinent example.

[Samantha]

74. I watched Stephanopoulos interview Bernie

Bernie looked and sounded good. Said he was staying in it to California. That is exactly what I wanted to hear. He does not seem demoralized to me, seems just like the Bernie we have been seeing. Passionate about the issues, answered all questions directly and honestly. He was asked if Hillary became the nominee, whether he endorsed her depended on which issues she agreed to incorporate into her platform (that is a paraphrase). He has several which are very important to him and his campaign. He also said he could not tell others what to do (which I assumed he was referring to his supporters).

Sam

[salinsky]

96. Mmmmmmwah!! ....

.... you're a sweetie!

[Lucinda]

100. Yep. He shifted to misinformation and lies.

They made a conscious choice to play fast and loose with the truth. He tanked his reputation, and added to the acrimony already in the party. And nothing is ever his fault. No sympathy from me right now.

[salinsky]

102. Yep ...

... I think at this point there's still a chance that he could pull out and salvage some of his legacy, and more importantly, his dignity.

But, if he continues down the path he's recently started, it's all gonna end up tatters and ashes.

[Lucinda]

105. It will depend on how and when he steps down, and what he does to help in the GE.

I'm not one that wants him to step aside right now, but how he behaves will make a big difference. They keep toning it down, and then slipping back into lie mode. He needs to pick a course and stick with it. I get that it is difficult to lose, but he's lost before. He should know how to conduct himself.

[salinsky]

111. I agree with you ...

... I don't think he has to get out yet.

But, his campaign seems to have gotten away from him recently, and he needs to reel it back in.

Bullshitting his supporters about magic math does no good for anyone.

[Lucinda]

114. Especially not the new young voters.

It's one thing to stay positive and politi-speak about your chances, and another to ignore math.

[Duckhunter935]

121. Unlike Hillary

Who loves the gun culture in Pennsylvania one day and goes 180 the next day in Connecticut,

[polly7]

117. I'd look demoralized occasionally too if I was the only person fighting in this election

for the planet and had real empathy and compassion for the people on it but was being cheated in every way possible - from the beginning, with the media, the debates, superdelegates bought and paid, voting cheat crap, dirty ugly slurs, and on and on and on. It would be very fucking demoralizing knowing that what you've fought against all your life and that millions of people suddenly found hope seeing for a long, long time was being treated as some sort of joke.

Seeing corporations continued to be given free rein to run gov'ts and ruin the planet would demoralize anyone ....... fuck, it does me.

[aikoaiko]

120. Sorry, but a Hillary supporter is not a good judge of Bernie or negative campaigning

Given who they support.

[Duckhunter935]

122. So true

[grntuscarora]

123. Having to explain to idiots over and over again the same stuff

can suck you dry.

[salinsky]

143. No doubt. Running for President is tough ...

... know what's even tougher?

Being President.

Maybe, Bernie's not up to it.

[grntuscarora]

144. Cute.

When I see him finger-wag an environmentalist, or brow-beat a concerned young female voter, as hrc has done so spectacularly, then maybe I'll agree with you. Not til then, salinsky.

[salinsky]

141. Kewl. Depicting Hillary as a witch. What's next? ....

.... depicting President Obama as an ape??

[berniepdx420]

130. sooo... spinny salinsky

[bkkyosemite]

131. That's a crock. The guy is exhausted. Anything little scraps you can find. He is not quitting!

We are not either!

[salinsky]

142. Running for President is hard ...

... Being President is even harder.

Maybe he's not up to it.

[snowy owl]

134. HRC has online support. She's ahead. Why pay for more? Isn't that dishonest?

Hillary supporters are already here and Bernie supporters too. If she's so great, why pay for an online presence? Her supporters not able to do the job?

[salinsky]

145. Bernie has paid Revolution Messaging $16 large ...

... and, they're sill hiring.

But, they're only paying $10.10 per hour.

Why does Bernie approve of slave wages for his trolls?

[snowy owl]

147. BS. If you had any proof, you post link. More confirmation of your link to HRC.

[salinsky]

163. Here you are ...

... the purity candidate ain't so pure ...

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/expend.php?cycle=2016&id=N00000528

https://revolutionmessaging.com/jobs/

Why is Bernie paying his trolls slave wages??

[Alfresco]

137. Stage 4 - Depression

[The Blue Flower]

138. Hey, you folks have been outed

Try again. This isn't even close to being believable.

[snowy owl]

152. They are so easy to spot, aren't they?

[Scootaloo]

146. Welcome to DU! Will you be staying long?

Or are you just here til July?

[Major Hogwash]

156. Until she's indicted.

And then all hell will break out and the sound of silence will prevail on DU as they ponder the consequences of backing someone under investigation of the FBI.

Oh, woe is me, they will say, she done it again.

[salinsky]

168. Keep hanging all your hopes on that indictment fairy ...

... karma's a bitch.

[snowy owl]

158. Bernie campaing has NOT PAID for online trolling;WP backs down

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/23/bernie-sanders-campaign-we-don-t-pay-for-comments-thank-you.html
04.22.16 9:00 PM ET

Bernie Sanders Campaign: We Don't Pay For Comments, Thank You
After a PAC working with Hillary Clinton's campaign pledged $1 million to "correct" her critics on Facebook and Reddit, the Sanders campaign shut down persistent rumors that their side did the same.

“Our campaign and our vendors are not paying people to reply to anti-Bernie comments on social media,” said Sanders campaign rapid response director Mike Casca. “Come on man, really?”

After news of Correct the Record’s “Barrier Breakers” comments section initiative was announced yesterday, many commenters on Reddit and Twitter responded by saying Sanders’ campaign had done the same thing, citing a $16 million creative spend with the marketing company “Revolution Messaging.”

Several reference a single New Hampshire Public Radio story from February 8th.

The New Hampshire Public Radio story never mentions Sanders surrogates using comments sections to correct voters.

A Sanders campaign official told The Daily Beast that the money paid to Revolution Messaging was spent on “online ads, email fundraising, web development, graphic design, photography and videography.”

Unfounded rumors about Revolution Marketing’s role in the Sanders campaign found their way into The Washington Post on April 7th.

This claim about Revolution Messaging was untrue, and the Post later removed the quote and added a correction that reads, “Editor’s note: This story has been edited to remove an inaccurate reference to a vendor for the Sanders presidential campaign.”

Due to an FEC loophole, Correct the Record has claimed since last year it is able to communicate directly with the Clinton campaign.

“Going forward, Correct the Record will work in support of Hillary Clinton’s candidacy for president, aggressively responding to false attacks and misstatements of the secretary’s exemplary record,” Correct the Record founder David Brock told The New York Times in May of 2015.

[peace13]

159. I love finger pointing.

If you watch video of Hill when Bill was President she had a hooked finger that she put out when she was making a point. I kid you not! Review some of her super predictor talks. That ol'hook is jus a waggin'. And she was a young woman then!

[kstewart33]

162. Well then, send her to the dungeon.

That's proof that she's a witch!

For geez sake, things are getting too crazy on GD-P. All spittin' and snarlin' and very little else.

I cannot wait until this is all over.

She is not a 'super predictor' cause she doesn't have a crystal ball.

[peace13]

167. Gotta love auto correct!

Actually the OP was cranking on Bernie for his finger wagging. Just following the topic.

[kstewart33]

170. Oops.

I've been on DU most of the day because I'm too sick (flu) to move. Please excuse my fumbling.

[peace13]

171. Get well soon!

Drink plenty of water! : )

[salinsky]

165. Yikes!

Misogyny.

Ugly stuff.

Bernie wags his finger a lot.

Hadn't you noticed?

[peace13]

169. Aaa...yes...that the was the point!

it must be me!

[LiberalElite]

172. You've been very busy here since joining on March 1st eom

[salinsky]

191. Thanks for noticing! ... nt

[Maru Kitteh]

173. I have to ask if you are the auto parts king

But as to the content of you post, yes. He has looked very tired, beaten and worn for several weeks now.

[salinsky]

207. Uh, yeah, that's me ...

... I've got a practically new Gremlin that I'm selling for next to nothing ...

... only driven by a grandmother to the market and back ...

... it's a steal, I promise ...

... you'd be stupid not to want it.

[Maru Kitteh]

264. I had a white Gremlin!

I faux painted my Gremlin to look like a boulder. Drove around playing, and singing along to, the soundtrack to "Little Shop of Horrors" among other things that were NOT socially acceptable.

I would LOVE to have that car back.

[MrMickeysMom]

175. Said the low post count OP who we should NEVER confuse with being...

a troll!

No, I don't mean THAT at ALL!

[salinsky]

177. So wounded ...

... no, really ...

... I am.

[MrMickeysMom]

180. Sure you are...

Ouchie!

[wendylaroux]

181. oh Randy Bobandy,you funny!!

[TM99]

187. Discredit, disqualify, and demoralize

the new Brockian approach I see.

[salinsky]

190. Dismissive of dbag deflections ... nt

[Gothmog]

203. The poor people don't vote line is an admission that his revolution has failed

[corbettkroehler]

211. Fired Up With Stephanopoulos

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280183838

He taped MTP the previous day after seeing the third-world conditions in Baltimore. Watch his appearance on ABC and you'll see a candidate as committed as ever to fighting to the convention.

[salinsky]

212. Glad you're inspired by the angry white dude ...

... the loss of white privilege stings ...

... amirite???

[wundermaus]

215. Bernie did not act bitter, disillusioned, nor pointing fingers of blame....

He acted resolute, steadfast, focused, and determined.
And by the way, the interviewer was a corporate tool and a pimple on the ass of humanity.

[salinsky]

220. Nah, he whined about the process ...

... when you're whining about the process, you're not winning.

[nolabels]

253. I love me some Bernie, it will also be a long fun wait till the convention

Dig in baby, the muck feels good

[H2O Man]

217. gosh

[Logical]

230. FFS, and Hillary looks dishonest every day. nr

[Go Vols]

234. I prolly would be the same way

if I knew I could help the people of the US and was shut out for the first 6 months to talk about it on pretty much every medium,and it was to late.

[salinsky]

240. Do you speak English? ... nt

[Go Vols]

242. I see nt in your title

do you know what it means?

[salinsky]

243. Notatennesseeinbred?? ... nt

[Go Vols]

248. I'll delete to prevent a hide

You had time to read it.

[Go Vols]

251. Seems you want discussion,

but incapable of it,maybe try this one.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1827273

[polichick]

238. Hillary, is that you?

[INdemo]

239. Did you bring this script from the Clinton campaign?

Appears like something Bill wrote for you.

[salinsky]

241. Geez ...

... you suck and you're late.

The lameo exacta.

[salinsky]

244. The pathetic thing is all you have ..

... is a bumper sticker. Lame.

[Matariki]

252. Hey Salinsky, you sound kind of tired. Are you feeling okay?

[utopia_basin]

262. Sanders caught in political trap

Yet the path to the Democratic nomination has all but vanished after his 16-point loss in New York last week. Now, with national polls showing him roughly even with the former secretary of state and with $17 million in his pocket as of the beginning of April, Sanders is faced with a series of tricky questions about his place in the race over the next two months — the first of which is how, exactly, to articulate his remaining route to victory.

He hasn’t yet figured out how to answer them.


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/sanders-caught-in-political-trap-222380

[salinsky]

273. He really needs to conduct himself in a positive way from here on out ...

... or he's going to risk bringing even more dishonor on his supporters.

He's already accomplished more than he could've hoped.

Tuesday night will offer an opportunity for reassessment.

[Marrah_G]

263. that all you got?

[B Calm]

267. Trashing Thread

[chervilant]

278. I use these

ridiculous OPs to update my IL, then I trash them.

Go, Bernie!!!

#NotMeUs

[Orsino]

272. I guess we see what we want to see.

Or what the talking points tell us to say we see.

[NurseJackie]

279. The primary campaign is really taking its toll on him.

I imagine that Jane his wife is looking forward to it being over and being able to return to Vermont.