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[TheCowsCameHome]

1. Can I just "Rec" it instead, before someone alerts?

[SCantiGOP]

17. You rec, I'll trash

And put this non-Democrat on Ingore.

If poster would really 'wear banishment like an honor' why not do the rational thing and get off of this site?

[TheCowsCameHome]

19. Like banished from the HRC group? That badge of honor?

That's the big prize.

[SCantiGOP]

24. OP wasn't in the Clinton group

Poster was talking about banishment from DU

[TheCowsCameHome]

31. Not in it? What luck!

[MissDeeds]

28. Your candidate just got a friendly nod from a Koch

and you call the OP a "non-Democrat"? That's rich.

Welcome to ignore.

[jillan]

36. Just because someone doesn't like Hillary does NOT make them a non-Democrat.

This is not China, we are allowed to speak out against our 'leaders'.

[SCantiGOP]

49. You're right, but

Saying you won't vote for the Democratic candidate does make you a non-Democrat.

Argue if you want; statement above is a simple statement of fact.

[jillan]

52. NO it doesn't. There will be other dems on the ballot.

[pangaia]

65. YEA !!!!!!! YOU TELL 'EM !!! GGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[Thinkingabout]

2. Do you see Trump or Cruz presenting progressive issues and willing to get progressive

Ideas through Congress?

[Kelvin Mace]

8. The lesser of three evils is still evil

Maybe you can sleep at night, but some of us want no part of the Clinton/Bush dynasty.

[Thinkingabout]

14. Then you must not like progressive ideas.

[Kelvin Mace]

23. Which progressive ideas are you referring to?

Eternal war? Illegal invasions? The death penalty? Fracking? TPP? NAFTA? Bank/Wall Street deregulation?

Democrats may support these policies, but I am a liberal, not a Democrat. And before you ask, I come here because once upon a time, genuine liberals used to come here. Not so much these days. Soon, probably not at all.

[840high]

82. That does not work

on me this year. To answer your question - I don't know. I do know Hillary won't.

[bjo59]

3. Great post and agree wholeheartedly with you.

[Kelvin Mace]

4. Well, I think you are safe until the primary is over

from banishment.

I will be right there with come election day.

[sufrommich]

5. OK.

[Kelvin Mace]

12. Interesting, since the original PUMAs were HRC supporters

[sufrommich]

16. No shit. nt

[Thinkingabout]

22. Is this the best you got, how old is this one?

[Kelvin Mace]

25. That there is your consumate HRC supporter in my experience

It's terrible how when HRC lost, McCain wound up as president. Oh, wait....

[beedle]

62. Not as old as Hillary's vaunted "experience". nt.

[jillan]

41. Um - PUMAs were people that would only vote for Hillary. Fail! OP is the complete opposite of a PUMA

[sufrommich]

58. Can you really not see the irony in what you just wrote.

Even by your definition a PUMA is someone who won't vote for the nominee because their chosen nominee didn't win. Why would you imagine that only Clinton supporters in 2008 could be PUMAs?

[jillan]

71. Irony? These were Hillary supporters. In fact they still have their own website!

http://dailypuma.blogspot.com/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/they-were-hillary-clintons-die-hard-loyalists-heres-where-they-are-now/2015/05/02/82025cf2-e92a-11e4-aae1-d642717d8afa_story.html

[artislife]

47. Cuz you can buy your own water!

And your candidates, too.

[Marrah_G]

50. *ignore

Please take that term and shove it.

[Ed Suspicious]

6. K&R

[zappaman]

7. Ok

[LyndaG]

9. Do what you want

Personally, I'll support the Democratic nominee. I do not want a Republican elected President and dismantling President Obama's accomplishments. And, I do not want a Republican President choosing Conservative Supreme Court justices.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

10. What do you do if Hillary chooses Conservative Supreme Court Justices? n/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

15. her husband gave us ruth bader ginsberg. this accusation has no support behind it

this is akin to my saying 'what if Bernie elects a republican cabinet'. that accusation would have equal merit to yours.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

18. I made no accusation; I was asking. n/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

87. These are accusations by insinuation

And you know that perfectly well

[CaliforniaPeggy]

90. I really did not mean it that way, Pri.

Please let it go.

[Major Hogwash]

70. She's not Bill, she is Bill.

Which is it?

#WhichHillary showed up today in Pennsylvania.

Not the one YOU voted for last week!!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

85. lol. You guys are getting really desperate

[SFnomad]

11. tRump thanks you for your support n/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

13. lol. you guys are so full of self importance.

no one really cares.

[JoePhilly]

20. + 1

[Yurovsky]

27. No, I've spent a lifetime fighting for the very people...

Hillary's corporate sponsors shit on every day, and will continue to do so if she gets elected (or Trump for that matter).

Self has precious little to do with it - quite the opposite in fact. But I don't expect HRC backers to understand.

[Vattel]

93. +1000

[sufrommich]

32. +2. nt

[Bleacher Creature]

39. +3

[jack_krass]

43. -1

[TheCowsCameHome]

54. You must care

You went thru the trouble of posting a reply.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

83. Yeah I guess, just enough to state that I find

This level of self indulgence is astounding

[Major Hogwash]

72. If by self importance you mean volunteering for civic services, or donating money to the poor, or .

. . giving food to food banks, you think we are self important . . . okay.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

84. No by self indulgence I mean the attitude that just

Because the person I support for the primary didn't win, I cannot vote for the one who did. Such self indulgent non sense

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

94. +1000

[puffy socks]

21. Sanders "swooped" into Flint too.

It's called campaigning. While campaigning the candidates spend their time listening to the people's issues. Bernie went to Flint on Feb 15, 2016. Clinton went Feb 6th. Evidently he was copying the Clinton campaign and moving in her direction.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/15/bernie-sanders-meets-with-resident-of-flint-before-campaign-rally-in-michigan/?_r=0

Hillary Clinton will be in Flint for a community meeting with residents
http://nbc25news.com/news/local/hillary-clinton-will-be-in-flint-for-a-community-meeting-with-residents

[Casandia]

46. I will make this reply as short as I can...

Hillary made a speech at a church and turned it into a commercial. In February. February 7th.

Bernie did NOT make a commercial of his town hall forum. I was there. The church was packed. People told Bernie about all the terrible financial and health issues they were dealing with. He NEVER made a speech to the people attending the town hall. He actually directed the event. He let the attendees and professionals tell what the facts and solutions were.

His campaign office in downtown Flint gives away tons of free water to ANYONE. No questions asked - which - if you are from Flint, would know that undocumented migrant workers who work in Flint are too scared to go to stations where water is given out BECAUSE they must show ID's. So - the families that are undocumented still get poisoned water.

He talks about Flint at every campaign event in every city he goes to. He is constantly is bringing up Flint's water crisis every chance he gets.

AND he's STILL a member of the Senate. He can actually create legislation to help Flint.

[jillan]

48. Bernie also won the endorsement of the majority of elected officials in Flint AND he talks about

Flint every single day.

When was the last time Hillary mentioned Flint? Of course she hasn't. The Michigan is over.

[GulfCoast66]

26. Bless your heart

[artislife]

40. Nice...if you are really from the gulf coast

you would remember what natural disasters and no drinking water was like. You would have a little empathy for someone who is living it now.


Or not.
How your response is any different from a t-partier, I have no clue.

[GulfCoast66]

55. I am for massive Federal Aid for Flint

Not just to fix the pipes but to help deal with her awful Social Situations created by irresponsable industry and republican policies.

Vowing to vote against the Democratic nominee because they do not meet your litmus test of purity seems totally tea party to me. Not insinuating you were a member of the tea party as I'm sure you are a good progressive and I am not looking for my first hide.

[artislife]

74. Letting a lot of shit slide because they have the correct letter after their name

is irresponsible. It is like you all are moving in a brain fog...can't see to far, just hoping for the best.

[GulfCoast66]

80. Do not assume I am a Clinton fan

Far from it. But back here in the real world, next January we are going to have a new president. If its not Hillary it will be Trump or Cruz.

If you are prepared to argue that Trump or Cruz will make a better president than Hillary, then you really should refrain from calling yourself a liberal or progressive.

[JaneyVee]

29. LOL. "Not me us". Riiiiiight...

[procon]

30. Oh noes... more red faced breath holding and kicking. nt

[italiangirl]

33. I am 85 years old

I agree with you 100%. I am 85 years old and under no conditions will I vote for Slippery Hillary because It would be morally wrong for me to vote for her. She can get to the White House, but not with my vote. I compare this election to an NFL game. At this point in my life, I am in the third quarter and all these young people are in the beginning if the first quarter, This election is for those young people and that is who I am supporting. This is their America! This is their tomorrow! We seniors have had our say now let them have theirs. I will vote all down ballots and will write in Bernie Sanders for President.

The winners in New York were Wall Street, Pharmaceuticals, Insurance companies and Corporate America. With Hillary at the helm, they will continue, with no shame, transporting their wealth out of the country. Corporate greed is the cancer of America, eating away at our economy and leaving the youth of America stranded with insurmountable levels of debt for getting an education is shameful!

I will not abandon Bernie. I will follow him all the way to CA! GO BERNIE

[artislife]

35. Yes! and welcome to DU!

[COLGATE4]

42. If you really believe that at 85 you're in

the third quarter of your life, I salute you.

[Marrah_G]

53. Errr, that was sort of a shitty thing to say

[COLGATE4]

56. No, I meant it. It's a really great attitude.

More power to her.

[Marrah_G]

64. Sorry then

It had just looked a bit snarky. I apologize.

[COLGATE4]

66. I'm only 10 years behind her. Maybe I look

at things like that a little differently.

[Marrah_G]

69. true, very true

[Casandia]

51. (((hugs)))

[RufusTFirefly]

57. "Morally wrong"

I'm so glad you expressed it that way, italiangirl!

It's high time we reclaimed that term from the sanctimonious hypocrites.

It's morally wrong for the richest country on Earth to prey on other countries, to line the pockets of the super rich, and to leave so many of its own citizens poor, sick, hungry, and hopeless.

[840high]

99. 77 yrs. old - I agree with you.

[artislife]

34. What does she think of Flint now?

She barely remembers Michigan.

[TheCowsCameHome]

38. Wait. She's Googling it as we speak.

[artislife]

44. On her blackberry.

We shouldn't elect her on her choice of phone, let alone the rest.

[HDSam]

59. Then

she'll reminisce about how she remembers going there way back in March and how she's pretty much a Michigan native.

[Bread and Circus]

37. You mean Clinton used Flint and Black people as props?

I am shocked I tell you!!!

[Major Hogwash]

77. As well as using Black mothers of Black sons who were killed by white cops!!

Yet, BLM endorsed Bernie!!

The level of pandering has seen a new low set this year by Hillary herself.

She will say, or do, anything to win.
Winning at all costs, is all she is about.
She wants to be President.

Bernie wants to help our country.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

97. Yet she has more support from African Americans than Sanders does

But according to posts from Bernie supporters on DU they're all suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome.

[Marrah_G]

45. It is primary season, you won't be banned.

Also, there is nothing saying you have to be voting for the Dem candidate. You just cannot advocate voting against the candidate once the primary is complete.

[TrueDemVA]

60. I'm with you

I will be writing in Bernie and voting down ticket. Never will vote for another DINO.

[jack_krass]

61. I live near Flint too. Hillary will be back...

To nake a commercial for the GE. She'll pose at a black church again(her favorite ploy).. After the GE she'll never say, or even think of the word "Flint" again ( unless she can get a high paid speaking gig there)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

63. Nasal Passage Fatigue Syndrome is showing a definite upsurge in 2016.

[Lucinda]

67. She didn't just swoop in....she worked with Mayor Weaver and Chelsea and set up

The Flint WaterWorks Initiative, and help to get a 500k donation from the Pritzkers.

https://www.cfgf.org/cfgf/GoodWork/FlintArea/FlintWaterworks/tabid/861/Default.aspx
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2016/03/flint_water_initiative_with_hi.html

[Casandia]

81. Read these links carefully

The program ends Nov 2016. Basically, the city will employ young people to act as goodwill ambassadors to the community - doing assorted tasks, such as food delivery, changing out filters, etc.

These press releases are vague on the actual details. $500,000 and they don't say how many employees will be hired. Barely scratching the surface of this catastrophe. Nice PR, though


Now, for a better idea of the situation, (although a rather conservative estimate):


http://www.wired.com/2016/01/heres-how-hard-it-will-be-to-unpoison-flints-water/

This quote, "the cost of replacing all the lead pipes in Flint at $60 million. And the project will take 15 years" seems a little more realistic.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

68. Donald Trump loves you.

[840high]

100. aww = so sweet.

[ReasonableToo]

73. I suggest finding the person who best matches your priorities.

It may not be HRC. A vote for someone is better than no vote. She's so fond of "sending a message" we need to vote FOR someone.

If the owners want the dynasty to continue then that's exactly what will happen - regardless of how we vote so vote for who you like best.

[larkrake]

75. Me too, and I will write in Anonymous as pres

Cant stand corrupt politicians

[baldguy]

76. Then don't try to claim to be a Democrat, or that you support Democratic Party principles.

Because your statement means you think - and don't try to deny it - that Trump would be a better President than Clinton. Which is absurd on it's face.

There's nothing honorable about willful stupidity.

[840high]

101. I've been a democrat since JFK. This is

no longer the party I grew up with.

[Dem2]

78. Waah, look at me

Your vote is more important than the rest!

[desmiller]

79. K & R for resolve

[treestar]

86. Is that in your interests?

It may make you feel good, but what are tha actual consequences?

[Squinch]

88. Your future irrelevance is noted.

[hobbit709]

89. If she gets the nomination I am NOT voting for a Republican.

[oasis]

91. If you and your pals can deal with 2 decades of ultra right SCOTUS

decisions, go ahead and toss the dice.

[hobbit709]

96. We're still dealing with one from 16 years ago.

[oasis]

98. Those who flirt with having at least 3 more Scalia clones added

will never see Citizens United reversed.

[onehandle]

92. Cool story, bro. nt

[loyalsister]

95. Political theater

The exploitation during this campaign has been nauseating. Even worse if we look back we see it is a disgusting pattern.
I think of Bill Clinton's "I feel your pain" quote and the irony is striking since they created painful situations for millions of people and called it a success. Mass incarceration- successfully eliminated people from the pool of unemployed people. Successfully destroyed opportunities for college, employment, and access to food for many people. Successfully created a situation where families simultaneously lost income and the possibility for financial assistance. One Walmart after another opened in my area because of the large pool of desperately poor individuals whose only reasonable strategy is to put up with mistreatment so that they can feed their children.
So many people are suffering and see little or no hope. Your post is a completely logical response to having the terrible reality you are dealing with exploited. I don't understand how anyone, dismiss it.