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northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 03:05 AM Apr 2016

Bernie wins the states with the most mixed races (as in people with 2 or more races).

Last edited Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:40 PM - Edit history (1)

Sadly there is not as much of a mixed population as there should be in the US, but when filling out some tables noticed that the top 9 states were almost all Bernie Sanders states, (17%-3% are all mostly for Bernie).


Here I added the image so people would stop and read, and not just post for the twentieth time something about state demographics and not a person who is a mixed race person.

http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-raceethnicity/

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Bernie wins the states with the most mixed races (as in people with 2 or more races). (Original Post) northernsouthern Apr 2016 OP
Nonsense, Hawaii is all young white males jfern Apr 2016 #1
Ignoring Hawii. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #3
I'm mixed race! Half Cuban, voted for Bernie! Joob Apr 2016 #2
Nice. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #4
I'm sure you were adopted beedle Apr 2016 #19
I am mixed too artislife Apr 2016 #61
She wins more people of color MFM008 Apr 2016 #5
Do you know... northernsouthern Apr 2016 #16
I see you are in WA artislife Apr 2016 #62
That is not true : Iowa, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Oklahoma are overwhelmingly white utopia_basin Apr 2016 #6
You do know what mixed is right? NT northernsouthern Apr 2016 #15
Oklahoma is 25% minority voters very different from NH or VT which are 94% and 95% white..... Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #24
There are a lot of brown people who don't speak Spanish. artislife Apr 2016 #63
As long as there isn't a high African-American population, Bernie does well oberliner Apr 2016 #7
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #8
African-Americans are known as the low information vote? oberliner Apr 2016 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #10
Usually if you just call it "Stockholm Syndrome" this goes more smoothly. Agschmid Apr 2016 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #12
What did I miss? oberliner Apr 2016 #13
Meh... Just the normal morning racist troll. Agschmid Apr 2016 #14
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #20
Again, this is about mixed. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #17
Yes, I am saying that Bernie does well with every ethnic group except African-Americans oberliner Apr 2016 #27
Not sure your point on parsing out African-Americans. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #38
That is the group that Bernie has struggled with oberliner Apr 2016 #41
But you are still targeting them. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #43
OK oberliner Apr 2016 #48
I have made my point about the topic of this post. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #51
Because divide and conquer doesn't work so well when people realize we are all in this together. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #18
Also... northernsouthern Apr 2016 #21
Hillary does best in the most multicultural states. States with the highest minority populations... SidDithers Apr 2016 #22
Again that is not "mixed". northernsouthern Apr 2016 #33
A very silly metric, and not really applicable outside of Hawaii Tarc Apr 2016 #23
5.9% of Oklahomans identify as being of more than one race.....not applicable? They don't count? Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #25
Almost every African American Buzz cook Apr 2016 #26
We do if that's how they identify. That's how we count all such people, by their own identification, Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #30
Not sure what multiple-name dropping accomplishes, bro Tarc Apr 2016 #32
I'm not your 'bro'. Address me by name, as I do you. Thanks. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #34
Cool story, bro, but you're still wrong Tarc Apr 2016 #35
Haha jcgoldie Apr 2016 #28
Oklahoma is 25% minority voters and thus not one of the whitest States..... Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #31
US 62% white. Oklahoma 68% white. It's fairly white. yawnmaster Apr 2016 #36
So are you saying... northernsouthern Apr 2016 #37
I'm not saying anyone's votes don't matter jcgoldie Apr 2016 #39
So you are... northernsouthern Apr 2016 #44
So do you have any statistics at all that would indicate jcgoldie Apr 2016 #46
Nope. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #47
I am saying that Oklahoma is fairly white. You, youself, say you are just putting out the data... yawnmaster Apr 2016 #49
Well 68% northernsouthern Apr 2016 #53
US average is 62%. eom yawnmaster Apr 2016 #55
Actually yes that is correct. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #56
Pacific coast yes lunasun Apr 2016 #29
"Sadly there is not as much of a mixed population as there should be in the US" NCTraveler Apr 2016 #40
I was wondering that, too. What is the optimal percentage of mixed races for a country such as... yawnmaster Apr 2016 #50
Replied to this below seeing as you have an issue with a mixed populous :P northernsouthern Apr 2016 #58
Are you saying? northernsouthern Apr 2016 #57
Are you saying? NCTraveler Apr 2016 #59
It was the question itself. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #60
How's he doing among left-handed voters?...nt SidDithers Apr 2016 #42
Well good question. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #45
truly amazing. His delegate count should be much higher- let's just spot him 500 delegates because MariaThinks Apr 2016 #52
Hey I am in. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #54
This is the sad uponit7771 Apr 2016 #64
What is, the low amount of people of mixed backgrounds? northernsouthern Apr 2016 #65
 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
4. Nice.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 03:31 AM
Apr 2016

not sure if the statistic means anything, just noticed it. We still have big issues out here with race like Sir Mix A Lot got pulled over the the Redmond police once for nothing at all, the CD is either gentrified or homogenized, but that being said in my section of work almost a majority of my friends and co-workers are in mixed relationships, or are mixed. It may mean our groups are more strongly bonded, so it is harder for politicians to split us up to divide and conquer? Could be wishful thinking since the ratios drop pretty fast.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
19. I'm sure you were adopted
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:04 AM
Apr 2016

You're real birth parents where really both white males.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
61. I am mixed too
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:55 PM
Apr 2016

Half Native and Latina on one side and Irish on the other side.

My brother and I joke that there may be a little problem there with drinking but we sure are fun at funerals!

MFM008

(20,042 posts)
5. She wins more people of color
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:47 AM
Apr 2016

In our caucus almost no people of color were in Sanders groups, every single one , especially OLDER persons were in our HRC group.
I don't think it matters much after Tuesday. Not even winning California will help him, and it will be very very close if he did win.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
16. Do you know...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:56 AM
Apr 2016

What mixed is? And do you know there are many groups considered "people of color", and she only does good with one group?

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
62. I see you are in WA
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:58 PM
Apr 2016

I am on the eastside. We had a lot of brown people. Muslims, South Asians, Latinos and Pacific Islanders, but only one Black person. Actually, at the first caucus, I think I saw only 4 in the entire gym. That had over 300 people.

 

utopia_basin

(23 posts)
6. That is not true : Iowa, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Oklahoma are overwhelmingly white
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:58 AM
Apr 2016

There are two exceptions to this rule: Colorado (a state that is 21 percent Latino) and Nevada, where Sanders made significant inroads with Latinos

To see Sanders’s ongoing diversity problem, consider Texas, where Clinton won narrowly among whites (51 percent to 47 percent) but overwhelmingly among both blacks (80-18) and Latinos (67-33), according to exit polls.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
63. There are a lot of brown people who don't speak Spanish.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:59 PM
Apr 2016

Gah.

I seem to think you represent your candidate well.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. As long as there isn't a high African-American population, Bernie does well
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:58 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary dominates in states where that population is most prominently represented.

Response to oberliner (Reply #7)

Response to oberliner (Reply #9)

Response to Agschmid (Reply #11)

Response to oberliner (Reply #9)

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
27. Yes, I am saying that Bernie does well with every ethnic group except African-Americans
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:03 PM
Apr 2016

I think the mixed category for Alaska and Hawaii is not primarily those of mixed white/African-American background.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
38. Not sure your point on parsing out African-Americans.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:48 PM
Apr 2016

I am talking about people of mixed races. That is the point of the post. Are you saying that we don't mix that way up here? :p

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
41. That is the group that Bernie has struggled with
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 02:10 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie did well with Asian-Americans and Native Hawaiians, as well as with white people, so it stands to reason that he would do well with people who are mixed race in that regard. Hawaii has a very small African-American population.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
43. But you are still targeting them.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 02:28 PM
Apr 2016

It would be interesting to see a further demographic breakdown, but I think the fact that areas where people identify as mixed could be a sign of something more. I don't think just claiming what the break downs are with out knowing would be helpful with out knowing. (P.S. isn't Obama Hawaiian) As I have said, my own gramps would not marry me and my wife because she was black. He is from Texas, Texas despite having a mixture of groups, has a very low population of mixed people. I am hearing that Roger's Arkansas is a bit more friendly for mixed couples than before. But when ever I visit the south I still worry about what some racist f@ck will say to us, sadly even a little from people that share more of her complexion. In my area I never even think twice about it, and I often talk to some of my mixed friends about advice on raising a child that would also be mixed, and what they had to deal with.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
18. Because divide and conquer doesn't work so well when people realize we are all in this together. nt
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:00 AM
Apr 2016
 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
21. Also...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:22 AM
Apr 2016

WTH does NY have a lower percentage of a multi-race population than WA, melting pot my hinder!

SidDithers

(44,333 posts)
22. Hillary does best in the most multicultural states. States with the highest minority populations...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:28 AM
Apr 2016

Here are the top 10 most mixed States (States with the lowest % of white residents) from your source:





Of the 10, only Hawaii went for Sanders.
4 of the 10 haven't voted yet.
The other 5 have gone for Clinton.




Sid

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
33. Again that is not "mixed".
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:27 PM
Apr 2016

Perhaps you don't understand "MIXED", but it happens when two people from two groups get together and have a child. What you are talking about is not a person who is mixed, but a nonhomogeneous mixture of groups. You can have a place compsed of many groups, but if they are not mixing, then that could be a sign of some sort of a divide or barrier preventing it.

Tarc

(10,601 posts)
23. A very silly metric, and not really applicable outside of Hawaii
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:35 AM
Apr 2016

Sort by black, look at the top 20; Clinton has won 14, is expected to win 5, and Bernie squeaked out Michigan (though to be fair, Hillary squeaked Missouri).

That is one of the larger reasons why Sanders has lost the primary.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
25. 5.9% of Oklahomans identify as being of more than one race.....not applicable? They don't count?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:31 AM
Apr 2016

What are your metrics, Tarc? How large a percentage of the population does a minority have to be to be 'applicable'? In Alaska it's 7.1% of the people.....does that pass your muster, Tarc?

Buzz cook

(2,899 posts)
26. Almost every African American
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:56 AM
Apr 2016

can identify as mixed race. For some reason we don't count them as such.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
30. We do if that's how they identify. That's how we count all such people, by their own identification,
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:19 PM
Apr 2016

not by some visual inspection or standard imposed by government. These stats come from the census, which is data that comes from asking people about themselves. It's up to the individual to state how they identify.

Tarc

(10,601 posts)
32. Not sure what multiple-name dropping accomplishes, bro
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:21 PM
Apr 2016

I think I'm pretty sure I know you're addressing me.

And I'd say 10% or so to be significant.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
34. I'm not your 'bro'. Address me by name, as I do you. Thanks.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:32 PM
Apr 2016

And I reject your theory that any minority that is under 10% of the population is not significant. The US population of Native Americans is just 1.2%. They still count, Tarc. Asians comprise just 5.4% of the US, you dismiss them as insignificant, Tarc.

Your metrics are biased, Tarc.

Tarc

(10,601 posts)
35. Cool story, bro, but you're still wrong
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:36 PM
Apr 2016

Setting aside your baiting hyperbole...

Politicians don't spend a lot of time and resources courting the Native American vote, because it is "just 1.2%. That isn't to say their concerns are ignored, but as a group, they are not sought after in the way that A-As, Latinos, etc...are.

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
28. Haha
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:03 PM
Apr 2016

Who is being fooled by this attempt to torture statistics. The reality is he wins the whitest states because its primarily white people who are voting for him. Or is it the 4% of the population that's mixed that put him over the top in Oklahoma or Washington?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
31. Oklahoma is 25% minority voters and thus not one of the whitest States.....
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:20 PM
Apr 2016

That's just the way it is. Look it up.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
37. So are you saying...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:41 PM
Apr 2016

...someone's votes don't count? Or are you saying people of mixed races don't matter? Just wondering because this post was about people of mixed races, nothing to do with white voters. Are you joining the earlier poster's dismissive remarks about one of the largest mixed population in the US? Just wondering. :p

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
39. I'm not saying anyone's votes don't matter
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:49 PM
Apr 2016

I'm saying he's clearly not winning any states because 4% of the population is mixed.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
44. So you are...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 02:50 PM
Apr 2016

...clearly putting words in to my mouth? Did I say he was winning them because of it? Or that he was winning said states? My post is more of a statement of the numbers and a group not talked about. That being said, 17%, 7%, and 4% are not small numbers, WA has an equal number of multi race as it has black? Well gotta run.

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
46. So do you have any statistics at all that would indicate
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 03:28 PM
Apr 2016

... that these people are actually voting for Bernie Sanders?

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
47. Nope.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:18 PM
Apr 2016

As my post said, Bernie wins the states with the most mixed races (as in people with 2 or more races). I am not trying to do more than state teat. As a person in a very long mixed relationship that knows many others like this area that are also...our very narrow consensus is this place rocks. But it seems Hawaii is actually listed as a great place...
http://madamenoire.com/24643/best-and-worst-places-to-get-your-swirl-on-93592/2/

But sadly most of these sites are just opinion or travel pieces. It would be nice to get a real sense of the voting patterns...but then again that would be dividing us up again.

yawnmaster

(2,812 posts)
49. I am saying that Oklahoma is fairly white. You, youself, say you are just putting out the data...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:13 PM
Apr 2016

well, since you are trying to show a correlation, discussing other factors that might affect the correlation is completely valid. This is why trying to put up correlations without supporting discussion around it is dangerous (well, as dangerous as something can be, being discussed in an anonymous forum).

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
53. Well 68%
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:34 PM
Apr 2016

Is a D in school...and the US average in in the 70% range I think, so it would be more apt to say it is more white. If I told my mom I did fairly well on a test and got 68%, she would have beat me.

Also I am sure this has to do with how well people identify with both sides of the families. I am sure statically black people are far more likely to claim black vs mixed (because of the one drop rule and all of its bad history). But that is my bias, and I could be wrong.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
56. Actually yes that is correct.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:59 PM
Apr 2016

They are still both Ds. And they are still basically the same, and OK, is still basically double the US average for people if multiple backgrounds, which at the top 4 states.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
40. "Sadly there is not as much of a mixed population as there should be in the US"
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:50 PM
Apr 2016

Can you elaborate on that a bit?

yawnmaster

(2,812 posts)
50. I was wondering that, too. What is the optimal percentage of mixed races for a country such as...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:14 PM
Apr 2016

the U.S.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
57. Are you saying?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:31 PM
Apr 2016

You think that we should all be genetically undiverse, a bunch of family trees that knot in to themselves? You think that it is good that in several stats that have large populations of diverse groups we should see the lowest number of multi race groups (Texas, New Jersey, New Mexico, Mississippi, South Carolina)? To me this is bad, this is an indication of some sort of human social barrier. As people have said, New York is not a Melting Pot, it is more a of a salad...people are in there together, but seldom stray outside (it is getting better now and the city is listed as one of the better places like Seattle). There is nothing good that comes from a polarized or separated group. Listen to Trevor talk about as a kid how he could not walk with his father. Think of the people that show up with the mixed children at schools and the staff do not believe it is that person's kid and treat them with suspicion, it happens to me if I am babysitting for family member and some white dude shows up with a kid way darker than him at the museum or park. This should not be a got to, people need to be more diverse. Cops would have a harder time singling out people if we were all more interconnected. Plus genetically, never good to keep your gene pool too shallow.


This is an amazing source of data, very nice read.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/02/16/the-rise-of-intermarriage/


Here are some parts of it..


Regional differences. Intermarriage in the United States tilts West. About one-in-five (22%) of all newlyweds in Western states married someone of a different race or ethnicity between 2008 and 2010, compared with 14% in the South, 13% in the Northeast and 11% in the Midwest. At the state level, more than four-in-ten (42%) newlyweds in Hawaii between 2008 and 2010 were intermarried; the other states with an intermarriage rate of 20% or more are all west of the Mississippi River. (For rates of intermarriage as well as intra-marriage in all 50 states, see Appendix 2.)
Is more intermarriage good for society? More than four-in-ten Americans (43%) say that more people of different races marrying each other has been a change for the better in our society, while 11% say it has been a change for the worse and 44% say it has made no difference. Minorities, younger adults, the college-educated, those who describe themselves as liberal and those who live in the Northeast or the West are more disposed than others to see intermarriage in a positive light.


One side note is that mixed marriages have a slightly higher divorce rate, and that is partially due to the stress they go through. The first time a racist in my family said something bad, my wife cried for days. I disowned that person but she never fully got over it.

Divorce.
Several studies using government data have found that overall divorce rates are higher for couples who married out than for those who married in—but here, too, the patterns vary by the racial and gender characteristics of the couples. An analysis conducted a decade ago found that 10 years after they married, interracial couples had a 41% chance of separation or divorce, compared with a 31% chance among couples who married within their race, according to a study based on the 1995 National Survey of Family Growth (NSFG).7 A subsequent study which analyzed 2002 NSFG data found that “although interracial marriages overall are more vulnerable to divorce, this reflects the experience of some but not all couples.” It found that after 10 years of marriage, interracial marriages that are most vulnerable to divorce involve white females and non-White males (with the exception of white females/ Hispanic white males) relative to white/white couples. Conversely, there is little or no difference in divorce rates among white men/non-white women couples, and white men/black women couples are actually substantially less likely than white/white couples to divorce by the 10th year of marriage. 8 Another study using 1990 to 2001 data from the Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP) suggests that on the whole, interracial marriages are less stable than samerace/ethnicity marriages, but marital dissolution was found to be strongly associated with the race or ethnicity of the individuals in the union. The authors found that “the results failed to provide evidence that interracial marriage per se is associated with an elevated risk of marital dissolution.”9 Mixed marriages involving blacks and whites were the least stable followed by Hispanics-white couples, whereas mixed marriages involving Asians and whites were even more stable than same-race white marriages.



Bigger question is do you think we should not be more mixed?
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
59. Are you saying?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:41 PM
Apr 2016

No. Can't even figure where you got that thought from after reading my post. I simply asked for elaboration.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
60. It was the question itself.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:53 PM
Apr 2016

People seemed to come off attacking this statistic the whole thread, so it is hard to not read negatively. But I asked because I was not sure. There is a bunch of negative vibes floating around this election. But I think I was also getting at why would you even need to ask, why would mixing not be a good thing? I can name so many reasons to do it (if you are attracted, I am not insinuating some weird brave new world test tube thing), I just can't think of a reason not to. Besides don't many scientist think that in a few hundred years we will all be way more mixed.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
45. Well good question.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 02:53 PM
Apr 2016

But that is off topic, this is about mixed voters, if you don't think it is important enough to talk about, that is your opinion. Perhaps instead of being dismissive you could fix your post with the incorrect data a bit back?

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
52. truly amazing. His delegate count should be much higher- let's just spot him 500 delegates because
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:33 PM
Apr 2016

of this.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
65. What is, the low amount of people of mixed backgrounds?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:07 PM
Apr 2016

I was also a bit sad it was so low, but Hawaii is way up there, which makes sense with Obama!!!!

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