Bernie and his campaign are not 'demoralized', it's the voters because of election fraud

[ViseGrip]

Both camps have deflated. Not just Bernie. The media ads are down, blogs are down. At first all thought it was Bernie's make or break NY.

NY was/is not make or brake. But there was fraud. Notice how it's not 24/7 in the media, like O.J. or the 2000 race?

We now know they are using electronics to control our elections. We have taken the proof many times in the past, to congress. All has been displayed here.

Hillary supporters just carry on like it's still about delegates, 'hurting the party', and 'when will Bernie get out'. It's as if the fraud never happened.

It doesn't matter what candidate it hurt, but who did it. They should be held accountable. The counting of provisional ballots can not make this NY primary 'right'. What about those turned away, who did not cast a vote because they were told they could not? You can't make it right. I wish they'd throw the results out! Take those delegates out of the final math.
No one should take NY. There was cheating, fraud. It won't really be sought out and people held accountable over the time it usually takes.

So everyone, the Hillary supporters, the media, and even Bernie supporters who have moved on to the 'platform' and other arguments, are ignoring what has just sucked out the momentum out of this race. It was like no other in Bernie excitement. Notice the funk? It's because of the fraud. People don't like to talk about it, to live where you know they are doing this. (All studied)

You will see a much lower voter turnout now, and just please remember why. Nothing should be moving forward ,....NOTHING, until there is a NY resolution.

And Hillary supporters should remember:
Winners don't quit, and Quitters don't win!

There is an elephant in the room. IT'S NAME IS ELECTION FRAUD.

Not so pleased to meet you, once again.

Because Hillary just takes her wins, while the lawyers rush in, I will not be voting for her. Ever.

[LexVegas]

1. "I will not be voting for her. Ever."

[ViseGrip]

2. Thank you! I have a real violin , and I'll remember to play it for you!

Why do you have a oh poor baby violin avatar for such a post. There was fraud. What are you doing about it? Why should I reward any vote for it?

Please explain?

[HillareeeHillaraah]

30. What if it's the republicans who are committing the fraud

And by not voting for the democratic nominee you in effect, complete the circle of their deception?

If voters' registrations were forged or switched, if voters were illegally purged, how can you unequivocally say that only Bernie supporters were effected? Because of the number of anecdotal posts in a particular site?


Wasn't the woman who was suspended, Diane Haslett-Rudiano, a Republican? You think they randomly suspended her, no investigation no nothing because hey, no one will look into that any further, right? Or is it just possible there was some paper trail back to her that hasn't yet been made public?

But go ahead and believe that all the voter fraud and disenfranchisement done is the work of Hillary Clinton et al and not the work of republicans who invented the term "ratfucking"...

[Android3.14]

58. With someone other than Clinton, I might entertain that possibility

But Ms. "Sniper Fire" has a documented and well-deserved reputation.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

69. Says the supporter of Mr. " The Pope invited me to the Vatican" Sanders

Oh but wait, Bernie makes mistakes....everyone else lies, amirite?

[stonecutter357]

27. +1000

[Bobbie Jo]

51. Will be so glad to see these proclamations

dry up and blow away...

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[ViseGrip]

56. I bet that you would! But, you'll be reviewing all of this soon enough, for your candidate.

[MattP]

3. Is getting more votes called fraud these days

[ViseGrip]

7. That's how you look at it? Not enough to change it, so just move on?

This IS going to happen to Hillary.

I have already said, I will not donate services for the outcome, as I usually do. I do it for those who stand up to it, and want it resolved.
So I'll take it the Hillary camp doesn't give a shit. She will in the end...but you obviously don't know that work. I won't do it for her, as her tears, yours, will be too late.



So there. It is now, not in the end, I will not feel pity for you.

[Live and Learn]

19. +1000 nt

[ViseGrip]

11. No, not at all. But what happened is fraud, and it's illegal.

[artyteacher]

4. im not saying election fraud doesnt exist....

But it's more likely when the results are way off from the polls going in. NY's results were really close to the polls. I was thinking Michigan was more likely to have been stolen for Bernie.

[ViseGrip]

8. Maybe. I work for higher audits to stop this shit from anyone doing it. I don't discriminate!

[ViseGrip]

23. Results were NOT close to the EXIT polls...only paid for polls.

CNN changed the exit polling as they did in Ohio in 2004, perverted it.

Bernie was only down 4pts. before adding fraud. So....it was probably a real squeaker for both....which is YUGE for Bernie, and horrible for her home state. This is why this happened, along with corporate winning.

If you want to learn a little about that, look at this congressional testimony from the man in 04 responsible for the exit polling.

I had two, not one friend, call me to say the exit polling with numbers of voters just changed on CNN. WTF? So I sent them this congressional fraud refresher.

Start at the 1:10 mark....if you don't have time for such matters as these:
http://www.c-span.org/video/?184728-1/voting-irregularities-ohio

[CoffeeCat]

5. Many share your views and your observations

And yes, there has been rampant cheating--voter suppression, electronic cheating, cheating in the caucuses, voters who were denied their right to vote, voters who had their registrations switched, voters who were knocked off the rolls, exit polls that didn't match the final results and favored Clinton by multiple points.

This election has been a real eye opener for many Democrats who are Bernie supporters.

Our party will never be the same.

Many Hillary supporters know very well that she has cheated. They don't care. They could care less if we support Hillary. They know that she can steal the GE.

It's batshit crazy that the topics that Democratic DUers used to rally against furiously--election fraud, warmongering, are now being accepted and defended by half of our party.

[ViseGrip]

15. Thanks CoffeeCat. It was never the same after 2000 when we caught them in 2002 with the

electronic kabooki!

That was Florida in 2002 and Georgia. Let Bernie know this is how they took Senator Max Cleland OUT...of our Senate.

Bernie should talk to Max, if he has not. But Tad is there and he knows all about this.

[Live and Learn]

21. +10,000 I barely recognize the place these days. Sad to see. nt

[Silver_Witch]

6. It seems that voter issue are just too

...big and really not fixable due to state rights issues. I feel all primaries should be the same. Generally I find it hard to even understand caucuses. Biput then I have never participated in one either.


The bottom line is that the rules are Herr to keep the "rabble" out of the process. All parties, including the Democrats fear the poor so the resist the ability of the common man. Voting should be a week long and by mail, local polls and phone. So all have a chance to vote. And of course way less money. Politics are now an industry mostly for the rich!

[ViseGrip]

10. Many get that, and it's exactly why all numbers have deflated. All around the numbers have.

People are tired of it. I've worked on this for 12 years, in several states. I've lobbied in D.C. I've shown them proof! Then it was the republicans.

So let me tell you, I'm even more angry it's now the democrats. It's the setting of the pre-programmed memory cards, across the U.S.

Some thought this would get fixed. Now that this has happened, and it's so much easier to look at data in a primary, their first mistake.

But as I said, the lawsuits will wind around in the winner's second or the first term on the NEXT prez, after this one. I call it, GAME OVER.

I can't spend time, donate money and both for this cause anymore.
I look at the power structure here and around the world, and I know what I'm looking at. That's why the no vote for Hillary line.....

[MattP]

9. Voter suppression is going on by Republicans in almost all states

But to act like it's only affecting Bernie is ridiculous and to blame the Dems for it is just ratfucking us in general but maybe that is the point

[ViseGrip]

12. The OP is for deflating numbers in all catagories, for all candidates.

Get off the I only care about Bernie's votes.

Here is where I was back in 2005 and 2006. Where were you?

[ViseGrip]

14. PS. I'll ratfuck anyone who does this shit. So should you. Not my point. It's to stop this

and make people like you care. But like I said, you don't and you won't and neither will your candidate. I worked for senator Kerry and went after HIM for not talking about it, or joining the suit. It's not just Hillary, and it's not just the republicans. It's anyone who will not stand up to this shit.

Harvard says USA is 49 in elections of developed countries. Care about that?

Yale says, NY is 49 in the country with the results and fraud so far.


American's ignoring this, are American's who can't handle democracy and stand up for it. We see people stand up around the world....but not here. No, I don't discriminate. If it rat fucks you, then know YOU as a citizen have work to do....by and for the people.

[bkkyosemite]

34. You are so right in everything you said. Just so she is "winning" they don't care that it's

fraud, rigged, cheated, disgusting. They really don't. It's supporting the meme win anyway you can.

[ancianita]

49. Thank you. Giving up over rigged elections makes Americans not worthy of the name.

[Adrahil]

13. My candidate lost = election fraud

I don't see any complaints about the blatantly undemocratic caucus process from Sanders supporters. I wonder why that is?

[uponit7771]

18. +1

[ViseGrip]

26. Because heads are visually hand counted. Caucuses that were changed were due

to those final number of visual head counts being flipped when entered.

So they were fixed. Cuz the proof was there in the original count.

That is why you keep seeing them fix it and Bernie gets another delegate or two or three.

Now, it's funny, not a result was ever changed for Hillary.

Funny, (not really) the judge in NY who would hear each case and decide, never heard ONE I tried to vote for Hillary complaint out of 100.

That is a voting anomaly. Primaries are electronically tabulated.
Get that?

[bkkyosemite]

35. This OP is about election fraud which is in your face real. About caucus process it's more

transparent then the illegal vote machines tallies.

[ViseGrip]

55. Exactly!

[MattP]

16. Voter Supression is the problem and bitching about

Fraud doesn't help they strip enough people of the right to vote without people thinking the system is rigged and giving up the franchise on thier own, your biting off America's nose to spite Hillary

[ViseGrip]

28. Wow. Now....read your post in the mirror, and look at yourself while you say it!

that's a real exercise.

[uponit7771]

17. EMAILAHZI!!!! No seriously, we're into the "make up own reality" portion of the 5 stages now hunh

[ViseGrip]

31. Feeling bad about losing and 5 stages, has nothing to do with electoral fraud.

Is this the first time you ever heard of this?

Some of the nation's best work on this topic was followed and discussed right here, on DU.

[bkkyosemite]

37. Yes it has been discussed over and over and not much caring about it.

[bkkyosemite]

39. Denial is all over DU

[brooklynite]

20. Still waiting for Bernie to step forward...

...all he seems to do is complain about losses. The only challenge he's made (AZ) was originally filed by DNC and the Clinton campaign. If he's apparently not concerned enough, why should I be?

[ViseGrip]

33. Oh he did a press conference on it, yelled out to FIX it.

Bernie sanctioned the attorneys to work for him on AZ.

Hillary caught up DAYS later......as it didn't look good. State after state.

You did not hear Bernie speak up about this????? Really?

[brooklynite]

38. Attorney: Bernie Sanders will not challenge Arizona presidential primary results

http://ktar.com/story/1006732/attorney-bernie-sanders-will-not-challenge-arizona-presidential-primary-results/

PHOENIX — Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders will not challenge the results of Arizona’s problematic presidential primary, an attorney for his campaign told The Associated Press on Friday.

The campaign had considered contesting the results of the March 22 election because of serious problems in the state’s largest county, including hours-long lines and the rejection of about 20,000 provisional ballots.

That amounted to about 80 percent of those cast, mainly by registered independents not allowed to vote in the state’s closed primary.

“We concluded that an election contest is too narrow and restricting a venue to address the widespread problems in Maricopa County that occurred on Election Day and disenfranchised tens of thousands of Arizona voters,” attorney Chris Sautter said.

So, he sold out his voters, and THEN joined the DNC lawsuit (nb - I had a meeting with the DNC Director that day and got the details directly)

[bkkyosemite]

43. You tell him what to do when the vote machines are flipping and no receipts to prove the flips.

Software privately owned can flip in 60 seconds. But no not Hillary's friends would do such a thing. I absolutely believe they would to have the dynasty back in power.

[brooklynite]

73. The only people I've seen clqiming vote flipping are anonymous bloggers

Not Sanders, not Weaver, not Devine.

[ViseGrip]

54. He doesn't need to 'contest' as others have come forward to do so, that he sanctioned.

He did speak out several times....and it was crickets from Hillary.

[seabeyond]

78. Yes, Clinton, The Democratic Mayor and the Democratic Party stepped up. Sanders does not need to

bother. The Democrats will do the work once again, as he and his people fling false accusations at Clinton and Democratic party for voter suppression, while claiming the votes are illegitimate, ignoring the fact Clinton lost way more votes in both Arizona and NY than Sanders even came close to losing.

[bkkyosemite]

41. Bernie knows the primary and the election fix is in. Rigged.

[TBF]

22. Amen. nt

[YouDig]

24. No, there wasn't fraud. This is dumb. Fraud means that things were done on purpose

to change the outcome. That's not what happened. There were problems in NY and AZ, and they need to be fixed, but it's not "fraud".

[bkkyosemite]

45. Fraud!

[ViseGrip]

57. That is not what happened????????????

[kstewart33]

25. VG, isn't an investigation ongoing in NY?

Let's wait until the findings of this investigation are released before stating that a possibility is a fact. And if you don't like the results, please don't call the investigators corrupt, evil, etc. That's a possibility but not a fact.

[ViseGrip]

36. As I have said, I have done this many times. The findings will be later, buried.

No accountability or changes will be made to totals or laws.

The citizens have already shown, they will do nothing.

Right now, the investigation is in the 'dog and pony' stage.


If anything would be changed there...arrest or fire anyone, it would be on TV. There is a blackout on this....for 14 years, bigger than Bernie's media blackout. For real.

[redstateblues]

72. Bernie's supporters: perpetual victims

Anytime Bernie loses its a conspiracy. Bernie's media blackout? The media love a horse race- they have kept Bernie propped up for months. All they care about is ratings and ad revenue. They could care less who wins as long as the $$ continues to roll in. Bernie has plenty and they want him to spend it.

[ViseGrip]

40. Well you watch these two findings and you wait for the investigation. You trust that?

When the findings are corrupt....I'll say it. Wash, rinse, repeat! 14 years of this. Were you here in 05-06?

http://www.c-span.org/video/?184728-1/voting-irregularities-ohio


Ha ha, Conyers ran the committee....a sham! Then he was caught up in his OWN corruption scandal. Remember? Is this ratfucking? Facts on corruption are just that. The investigation cannot be trusted.

They already know, the people are not going into a real spring, when the voting machines give you results that deviate from exit polling.

[J_J_]

76. Bernie attended that meeting and told everyone to get over it "Bush won"

I have been worried this would happen this entire election season.

How can he not know about the election fraud that has been going on?

How can he see what the elites are doing with their power,

and not get that they might steal elections to gain that power?

[bkkyosemite]

46. We had testimony after testimony on how the votes are rigged and you are still saying it's

not corrupt, evil or fraud....unbelievable...Gore won!.....Kerry's votes were stolen and Bernie's votes are being stolen.

[kstewart33]

63. Uh, no.

I didn't say that.

[bkkyosemite]

68. Uh, this is not just about NY either.

[stonecutter357]

29. .

[bkkyosemite]

47. ..

[sufrommich]

32. The grapes,they are sour. nt

[ViseGrip]

42. You know nothing about this, and the grapes will be rotten when they arrive for Hillary.

[bkkyosemite]

48. The grapes are pretty much wrath from the royal couple.

[ViseGrip]

44. And now we know how many paid bloggers there are, so the facts don't matter here.

I am taking the time, so when it happens to you, you'll have reference material to begin the work. You will want to. But due to the immature conversation on such serious matters, again, I will not be working on the matters.

[bkkyosemite]

50. They never take any of this seriously because their team they think have it in the bag and that's

all that matters. Fraud, corruption, evil to them is a tin foil hat. The citizens are waking up to the crap that has been going on for years. It's time we realize this Country is being manipulated for the 1% and the slave class has been used over and over. That's why Bernie says we need a people's revolution and many many thousands upon thousands are supporting him and above all his issues and have woken up. And as your statement in you OP says...It is the fraud that is causing the low turnout and the moral problem. We do not have free elections. We are 49th...disgusting.

[xloadiex]

52. Audits are taking place in NY now

Funny how the people weren't even told some of them have already happened. There's also confusion about if they are open to the public. My guess would be they are not.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NewYorkForSanders/comments/4fzork/important_we_need_ny_berners_to_attend_their/

[ViseGrip]

59. This....is what goes on. The votes are counted in secret. Audits are inadequate.

Audits for fraud are usually closed.

[ancianita]

53. K & R THANK YOU!

[sadoldgirl]

60. I think that both parties will decide their

nominees. They don't want any outsider
candidate, who might shake up the status quo.

Of course, they use shenanigans, voter suppression,
voter purges,etc.

The real problem comes from the voting machines as
well as scanners. We cannot and should not trust them.

Knowing this full well, I will vote anyway.

(BTW,Obama won only in 08, because even repugs
had enough of the policies, imo)

[ViseGrip]

62. Well if they don't want outsiders, they have to cheat. The point of the OP

[sadoldgirl]

66. Of course they do, I just agreed with your OP.

You can see how Kasich and Cruz are working
together already to stop Trump.

The repug party wants either Kasich or Ryan, and
I am pretty sure the party will succeed in its aim.

[ViseGrip]

61. If this is the republicans doing this, there goes the meme they don't want to run against Hillary.

[treestar]

64. There is no proof of election fraud

Bernie just doesn't get as many votes.

[bkkyosemite]

65. Total denial!

[treestar]

67. anyone who loses a vote could say that

and now it seems it is the general claim for all Bernie losses. Unrealistic.

[Beacool]

71. It was a closed primary and the Independents are whining about voter suppression.

Why should they be allowed to vote in a Democratic primary if they don't belong to the party? IMO, all primaries should be closed.

[Beacool]

70. Sanders was never going to win NY. That was not going to happen.

What was the fraud, that they have closed primaries and the deadline to declare party affiliation was in October? Well, if people can't be bothered to check their state rules, don't blame the state.

As much as it may pain you and some others, the simple reason why Hillary is winning the nomination is that more Democrats are voting for her than are voting for Sanders.

As for your vote, keep it.

[SharonClark]

74. There is lots of voter suppression - the GOP is really good at it

Long lines, fewer voting sites, purged lists, voter ID. It is part of the GOP strategy because they can't win fairly.

[J_J_]

75. redditors are not 'demoralized'- they are taking action

IMPORTANT! We need NY Berners to attend their county vote audit prior to certification!
https://www.reddit.com/r/NewYorkForSanders/comments/4fzork/important_we_need_ny_berners_to_attend_their/

While DUers spend hours on end bickering for no reason...reddit has been working hard to support Bernie winning the election
with or without the help of the Sanders campaign
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident

[FlatBaroque]

77. Just a reminder about what matters