2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMillennials Poll Shows Sanders' Revolution Reshaping US Electorate
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/04/25/millennials-poll-shows-sanders-revolution-reshaping-us-electorate"He's not moving a party to the left. He's moving a generation to the left," says pollster
Bernie Sanders is changing the face of American politics, a new poll from Harvard's Institute of Politics suggests.
According to the survey released Monday, Sanders remains the most popular presidential candidate for so-called millennials between the ages of 18-29, 54 percent of whom view him favorably, compared to 31 percent who harbor unfavorable views.
Just 37 percent of respondents say they see Sanders rival Hillary Clinton favorably, compared to 53 percent who do not.
More importantly, regardless of how Sanders fares in Tuesday's primaries, or in the race for the nomination overall, there's little doubt that the senator from Vermont is making a lasting impact, polling director John Della Volpe told the Washington Post on Monday.
"He's not moving a party to the left. He's moving a generation to the left," Della Volpe said of Sanders. "Whether or not he's winning or losing, it's really that he's impacting the way in which a generationthe largest generation in the history of Americathinks about politics."
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A Great Awakening!
This had to scare the shit out of the RW...in both parties!
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)over and destroy it all.
This can be just the beginning of an awesome revolution, or it can shut the door on it.
KPN
(15,676 posts)to be part of the establishment the movement is against. That would be insane -- working against one's goals.
Svafa
(594 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)that will be lasting. I suspect there is a real effect on older voters too but that they just aren't swallowing the easy-revolution schtick. Rejecting Sanders's candidacy itself is not the same as rejecting the need to fight economic inequality.
Who feels that more than those of us who have already lost a quarter century of income security, and counting? I'm pretty sure my husband and I are not the only ones whose routine retirement savings have been shaved down incrementally over the past 30 years because it was necessary as our incomes declined or failed to keep up with inflation. We know when we're sliding into a hole, and most others do too.
KPN
(15,676 posts)Bernie or bust.
PS -- lifelong registered Democrat since 1972, voted D up and down the ticket every election without exception. Might be breaking that streak in 2016.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a candidate who we feel will be able to achieve many of her goals.
It's not that Bernie's call to tilt straight at the dragon doesn't appeal, though. It does, but after watching for months my observation was always that he is not the man for the job. Sanders entered the stage on Warren's shoulders, you know. Now she, with her combination of strong goals and record of achievement, I would vote for.
KPN
(15,676 posts)well before Elizabeth was ever heard of or from.
Do you think any of us would be following Bernie if we didn't think he could achieve goals? Come now.
Have you, looked at Bernie's Congressional record? He's achieved much more than either Hillary or Elizabeth.
We're not having to make a choice between Bernie and Elizabeth now are we?
Got anything else?
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)if he loses.
0rganism
(23,984 posts)they had their time, extended by 45 years thanks to paragons like Nixon and St. Reagan but doomed thereby to pass from the face of the world.
this is the end for the GOP, and the rise of the New Democratic Party as THE dominant political force of the next decade.
"allowing" doesn't even enter into the equation -- not even the DNC could stop this, as if they'd want to. there are bigger forces at work here.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)ContinentalOp
(5,356 posts)If his supporters are angry and want to change the system, and he loses, are they just going to give up? Or are they going to get angrier and keep the movement going?
KPN
(15,676 posts)THat's pretty accurate.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)to be disenfranchised Republicans.
WHy? Because I have the same arguments here with clinton supporters that I have with my RW friends.
The same damned arguments.
$15/hr
Fracking
Monsanto
GMO
NAFTA
TPP
etc
etc
etc
KPN
(15,676 posts)Bernie or bust -- that's what I'm committed to. I've decided I can't be held hostage to the whole SCOTUS drama. Who cares about equal rights if global warming and/or mass violent insurrection destroy us all in 20 years anyway. My kids have convinced me of that. One is a woman and the other is gay. You think they aren't invested in equal rights? But that's their attitude and I understand where they are coming from. Status quo doesn't cut it and Hillary's not able to break the bonds of her entire existence -- it ain't gonna happen.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)How dare he encourage voters to expect things!
villager
(26,001 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)appalachiablue
(41,191 posts)It's Wonderful To See!!
WhiteTara
(29,731 posts)totally another to participate. If they pick up the mantle and become involved in a meaningful way (run for various offices) it will be wonderful. If not, it will just be another keyboard warrior story.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)WhiteTara
(29,731 posts)step and begin to govern your communities by getting involved on the local level. Good luck. You are our future.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)it could well be that my generation will choose to be the future of a new party. We are sick and tired of the status quo.
WhiteTara
(29,731 posts)The only way to build a new party is by starting locally. You can't start at the presidential level. Good luck. You are our future.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)The electorate was ready for this in 1992. But the VRWC kept us distracted with so many stupid lies that kept us too busy defending Clinton to notice we were being screwed by our own.
This current incarnation started with Occupy Wall Street. A hefty percentage of Sanders' supporters were pushing for Warren before Sanders took up the banner. In the chicken-or-egg question, the "revolution" came first.