The only good thing about DU right now

[Fresh_Start]

is that the screamers are screaming at other screamers here...instead of in the real world

You all are underestimating how much independent voters hate the atmosphere of politics.
One side screaming at the other side instead of working together for real solutions.
I've been independent for my entire life for that reason:and I've heard that from other independents as well.

The truth is we don't give a shit who thinks they are right: since pretty much everyone always think they are right.

We don't expect perfect, we expect progress.
But the screaming means not progress as each side tries to win the 'I'm right and you're wrong' battle.
Instead of making any progress on a solution.

Progress on a solution even a middling solution is better than no progress.

[silvershadow]

1. No middling for me this time. I stand strong with the FDR wing. nt

[djean111]

2. Not "screaming' to point this out -

Progress on a solution even a middling solution is better than no progress.

I believe Hillary would take us backwards, not give us progress - means-testing Social Security, okay with adding restrictions to abortions, seems pretty eager for war - I can say, quite calmly, that her positions, stances, and deeds are all very much like a Republican's, add in the Third Way and the penchant for armed conflict - and mean I can't support her. Whisper, scream, state quietly - does not matter.