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[zappaman]

1. You're funny!

For a second, I thought you were serious!

[berniepdx420]

2. They are DINOs ... Democrats In Name Only.. we need to take back our Party

[rhett o rick]

25. They care nothing about issues. It's called Authoritarian Adulation. nm

[Crabby Abbey]

79. If Hillary represents the party you want to be in you can have it. ALL of it.

There is no way the Bernie movement is going to stick with the DNC after they shaft him. So keep your DNC, keep your DWS and good luck going up against a strong progressive movement that is building to crescendo. A vote for Hillary is a vote for the TPP. And you all know it.

[GulfCoast66]

99. Learn something new every day!

And here I thought that when one candidate gets more votes than the other we say that the losing candidate is Defeated. Now l learn the correct term seems to be shafted.

[puffy socks]

104. Ok now that is just plain funny!

Bernie Sanders is an Independent who used the DNC after spending years bashing them every chance he gets.
We may not move as fast as Bernie's crowd wants , but we've been fighting the Progressive battle far longer than most of Bernie's supporters.
I know you truly believe that Bernie started the revolution over college tuition, the cost of health care , corporate America shafting the workers but he didn't.
Even back in 2007 Jim Webb spelled out these exact same problems but America refused to back the Dems if they didnt instantly change everything just as soon as Obama was elected. It's simply not that easy and that appears to be a tough lesson for many Progressives to learn.

"There are two areas where our respective parties have largely stood in contradiction, and I want to take a few minutes to address them tonight. The first relates to how we see the health of our economy ­ how we measure it, and how we ensure that its benefits are properly shared among all Americans. "

"When one looks at the health of our economy, it's almost as if we are living in two different countries. Some say that things have never been better. The stock market is at an all-time high, and so are corporate profits. But these benefits are not being fairly shared. When I graduated from college, the average corporate CEO made 20 times what the average worker did; today, it's nearly 400 times. In other words, it takes the average worker more than a year to make the money that his or her boss makes in one day.

Wages and salaries for our workers are at all-time lows as a percentage of national wealth, even though the productivity of American workers is the highest in the world. Medical costs have skyrocketed. College tuition rates are off the charts. Our manufacturing base is being dismantled and sent overseas. Good American jobs are being sent along with them.

In short, the middle class of this country, our historic backbone and our best hope for a strong society in the future, is losing its place at the table. Our workers know this, through painful experience. Our white-collar professionals are beginning to understand it, as their jobs start disappearing also. And they expect, rightly, that in this age of globalization, their government has a duty to insist that their concerns be dealt with fairly in the international marketplace."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/23/washington/23webb-transcript.html?_r=0

[berniepdx420]

138. I was saying we need to take the Party back from the Third Wayers .. the DLC.. the clinton DINOs

[seabeyond]

3. This should get a hide, if we were a Democratic board for you title alone, and a TOS.

[dlwickham]

9. be careful or your post will get a hide

this is bizarro underground

[moriah]

13. Too true..

I am hoping Skinner keeps his promise to help addess civility soon.

[nolawarlock]

20. A functioning jury system or actual admins who are present to manage the site are the solutions.

[Baobab]

68. It bothers me too. I think they are just naive / gullible / media deceived.

Look at the gap between the real situation on health care and what we're told in the media- Its a big gap.

[seabeyond]

19. I would not be surprised at all. Nt

[rhett o rick]

67. No, it's the conservatives that want to hide and ban. The progressives here don't alert

because we are willing to argue issues while the conservatives can't argue so they look to ban, ban, ban.

From what I hear the 20% Clinton supporters here make 80% of the alerts.

[seabeyond]

74. "The progressives here don't alert" You are seriously arguing that bullshit?

[rhett o rick]

87. Yes. Progressives are open to discuss issues while your conservatives want to ban, ban, ban.

How many conservatives have been banned here? None. but all the outspoken progressive have either been banned or run out. Not very Democratic.

[AgingAmerican]

90. Their goal is to purge the site/party of 'undesirables'

AKA anyone to the left of Zell Miller

[rhett o rick]

91. It's an authoritarian thing. Blindly follow and disparage all that might dare ask questions.

And they dare call themselves Democrats.

[seabeyond]

95. Both you, Age are being beyond silly seeing how Skinner had to change the rules due to alert stalkin

by Sanders supporters having the clear advantage getting any and all Clinton supporters kicked off.

I know you know. I know the games you played in host and others in Mirt. That you post this out loud, and further insult Democrats is truly a fun game for you.

Play on.

[rhett o rick]

109. Skinner changed the rules because he supports Clinton. Progressives were banned

because they supported Sanders. I tried to be honest in hosting but that didn't cut it. They didn't like progressives.

This is a conservative message board dedicated to getting Hillary elected.

[Dem2]

123. So much bullshit

How can anybody believe so much of the ridiculous conspiracy rhetoric - all in one post?

[AgingAmerican]

89. Don't drop F bombs and you will be fine

Ain't that hard.

[Dem2]

11. 3-4 to leave it

[seabeyond]

14. Of course it did not get a hide, nor do I expect it to. Says a hell of a lot about Sanders supporter

[obamanut2012]

22. agreed

[Andy823]

32. It was alerted on

3 to hide 4 to leave it. I agree with you it should have been hidden.

[rhett o rick]

47. First of all violations of TOS are not dealt with by juries. Secondly this is a

message board for Democrats and I would agree that those here that support a candidate because of Authoritarian Adulation and not Democratic Principles should not be considered Democrats. Anyone can call themselves a Democrat but if they support the Republcions positions on most issues, they are not real Democrats. So if anyone should be banned, it should be the DINO's.

Thirdly, people that are so hot to ban, ban, ban, are not Democrats. The behavior to ban, censor, and hide are conservative behaviors and not Democratic.

Do you support Clinton's position on fracking? Do you even know Clinton's position today?

[seabeyond]

53. Firstly, I stated it should be a hide AND should warrant a TOS. Separate. I am well aware they are

different.

Secondly, I have absolutely no interest in a long time DU'er excusing this poster insulting us in this manner.

[rhett o rick]

70. The OP is posting his/her opinion. If you disagree then refute not look to censor. nm

[seabeyond]

78. You do not tell me what to do. I did exactly what I intended. Call attention to a poster that disses

Democrats on a Democratic board, with a broad brush, like a troll. We have a TOS with rules. I pointed it out.

Who the hell are you to tell me what I am allowed to post, and not?

[rhett o rick]

84. OMG what outrage. Too bad you don't aim that at those that are giving us

50,000,000 people living in poverty instead of those of us that are fighting the rich fat cats that are stealing our wealth and resources. You are on the wrong side of this class war. Goldman-Sachs and the Koch Bros won't help the poor.

[seabeyond]

98. Hey, I'm voting Clinton who is on the disadvantage side instead of white, men and upper middle class

[rhett o rick]

105. So you are saying because she is female she is on the side of the disadvanged.

Do you realize how sexist that is? And what about upper middle class ? She is in the top 1% of the top 1% and you think she cares about the poor? Do you think she tells Citibank in her speech that they should help the poor when they give her a check for a quarter million dollars?

Curious as who you think should foot the bill for helping the poor.

[seabeyond]

125. Title, I stopped reading. No. That isnt what Im saying, making everything said after, meaningless.

[complain jane]

112. Refute what? A bunch of juvenile insults? Please.

[passiveporcupine]

92. The one that bothers me the most is Bernie supporters all just want free stuff

If that isn't straight out of the republican playbook, I don't know what is.

[seabeyond]

100. What bothers me the most is making promises that any rational person knows is bogus.

[Beowulf]

107. Pretty much everything he has proposed

is standard across Europe and Canada. Or perhaps those countries are bogus, too.

[seabeyond]

129. Its replies like this that are disheartening that one doesn't even educate themselves the difference

[Beowulf]

150. I can't tell

if your response is:

A. Clueless
B. Disengenuous
C. Something you picked up from Free Republic
D. An example of American Exceptionalism
E. Self-referential
F. Just another way of saying "No We Can't!"

[timmymoff]

132. The only reason they are bogus is because you Hillary supporters

have as little fight in you as your candidate. She is to damn scared to fight her donors about minimum wage, and she is to scared to fight about health care , as she stated. This is why things are pie in the sky, your inability and hers to fight. Your inability to examine even if the fight would work. You guys punt on first down. Shit if more Americans were like Hillary supporters we would still be British subjects, black people would be 3/5 of a person, and women wouldn't be voting or running for president. I feel nothing but contempt for you Hillary supporters can't do spirit America wasn't founded on.

[seabeyond]

133. Yada yada yada....

[timmymoff]

162. Exactly what we mean.

[rhett o rick]

101. What's a killer is that now Clinton is offering free college. nm

[seabeyond]

131. Obama did it well before Sanders. What Clinton is proposing is the Democratic Platform.

Sanders has never owned these issues.

[valerief]

4. Rich people will get richer. nt

[dlwickham]

5. too funny!

another bridge has been left unguarded

[Andy823]

35. Lots of those bridges these days.

Must be a migration. The are coming here in droves everyday.

[Maru Kitteh]

134. You noticed? And they all seem to be very on message. Like they were coordinated or something.

It's a MYSTERY!

[RandySF]

6. And here I just promised to be nicer on DU

What do I do with THIS?

[msongs]

8. on Wednesday you celebrate :-) nt

[dlwickham]

10. laugh at their desperation

[onehandle]

7. Hey Skinner!

Is that you?

No?

You could end this.

[StevieM]

39. Skinner would never post something like that. And he doesn't want to shut down

Last edited Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:39 PM - Edit history (1)

the Sanders supporters while the primary is still on-going. He followed the same policy eight years ago.

When we have a presumptive nominee the board will be expected to coalesce around that candidate. And the mods will enforce that rule.

[still_one]

128. This OP is NOT a debate. It is an attack against all Hillary supporters as not being Democrats, and

in fact calling them republicans.

General call outs like that are TOS violations

[StevieM]

139. OK, point taken. I edited my post to replace the word "debate" with "Sanders supporters."

The post I was replying to seemed to be taking the position that we had reached the point of calling Hillary the presumptive nominee and it was time for Sanders backers to unite behind her or leave.

Maybe that wasn't even what the poster was trying to say. But I replied based on the assumption that it was.

I agree that the call out in the OP was terrible.

[still_one]

157. It isn't just Skinner, no one should want to shut down Sanders' supporters. I would also argue this

OP does not represent even most Sanders supporters. It is one person who is trying to disrupt DU with flame bait by calling out all Hillary supporters as not Democrats

In other words, I believe the OP is making a personal attack on all Hillary supporters

That's just my two cents

[Agschmid]

164. Yup.

[one_voice]

148. It's disruptive, imo.

Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members; threads complaining about jury decisions, locked threads, suspensions, bannings, or the like; and threads intended to disrupt or negatively influence the normal workings of Democratic Underground and its community moderating system are not permitted.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025307978

You don't post this unless you want to intentionally inflame, insult, and instigate bullying against a segment of the DU community. This isn't a debate or conversation. It's a statement; it's insulting and it's nasty name calling.

[still_one]

159. Thanks, that encapsulates it perfectly

[Godhumor]

12. The day I listen to someone who has been here 1.5 months lecture me on being a true Democrat...

Never mind: not worth it.

[still_one]

130. exactly.

[CAG]

166. +1000

[Godhumor]

15. Peggy, you recommended this?

Really?

[dlwickham]

21. I recommended it

this is the perfect example of what this place has turned into and it should be on the greatest threads page right at the top!

[onehandle]

30. Agreed. K&R. nt

[Nye Bevan]

16. Hillary has been an actual Democrat for quite a bit longer than her opponent. (nt)

[HooptieWagon]

44. Zel Miller was a Democrat longer than Hillary.

Dwight Eisenhower was never a Democrat, yet he was a better Democrat than Hillary.
Some people judge only by the letter after the name, some by what the person actually stands for regardless of the letter.

[vintx]

119. .

[Carolina]

143. And remember

Joe Lieberman. A Democrat???? He scolded Clinton on the Senate floor about Lewinsky, undermined Al Gore in his smarmy debate with Cheney, supported W, and in a later bid for re-election to the Senate, lost his primary contest to a real progressive named Ned Lamont. Know what happened after that? He ran in the general as an independent and with help from the Clintons (his fellow DINOs) defeated Ned Lamont.

With 'Dems' like these...

[CrowCityDem]

17. People can disagree. Learn to live with it.

[obamanut2012]

18. lolz

[nolawarlock]

23. Flame bait?

I don't think either candidate's supporters have cornered the market on smug this electoral season.

That said, there are many kinds of democrats and it, as a party, has evolved. It was once the party of the KKK for heaven's sake. And let's not forget Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the choices of a Democrat. Political Parties are driven but the consensus of those who are in them, and yes, some folks carry more weight than others, but the idea of "what is a Democrat" has never been manufactured onto a rubber stamp.

[hack89]

26. Smug = closed mind = you.

you just broke my irony meter with this post.

[rbrnmw]

27. says the person who hasn't been here very long

[Seeinghope]

57. I've been a Democrat for over 40 years

[rbrnmw]

75. me too

I don't cotton well to folks telling me what is a Democrat I have always voted a straight ticket

[jamese777]

28. O.K.

I'm fine with not being a "true Democrat." Bernie Sanders wasn't/isn't a "true Democrat" either.
My number one political interest is the defeat of Donald Trump/Ted Cruz, I could care less about political party affiliation.

And on that point: "Poll: Millennials don't like Trump"
politico.com
Millennials don’t like Donald Trump, a Harvard Institute of Politics poll released Monday shows.

Hillary Clinton crushes Trump among millennials, who would overwhelmingly support the former secretary of state over the real estate mogul in a general election. Clinton holds a 36-point advantage over Trump, 61 percent to 25 percent, with 14 percent undecided.

[Chasstev365]

29. Fewer and fewer people remember the glory days of the Democratic Party

From 1933-1968, Democrats would never have:

1. Voted for NAFTA
2. Deregulated the Telecommiations Industry
3. Repealed Glass Steigel
4. Passed a bogus welfare reform bill
5. Voted for the Pacific Trade agreement
6. Stood by and let millions of Americans be disenfranchised by bogus photo ID Laws.

[Seeinghope]

56. Exactly! Some don't care anymore.

[RKP5637]

58. K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[lumberjack_jeff]

71. Agree. n/t

[Baobab]

73. they have not voted for TPP yet! Also, WTO and GATS caused 2,3, and likely perhaps even 4

for complicated reasons.

[Carolina]

146. Touche

Are they amnestic, brainwashed or just willfully blind?!

[stonecutter357]

31. fuck Ron Paul.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

48. Lol well that cuts right to it....

Although you might have started with TL/DR

[Marrah_G]

33. Oh bullshit, of course Clinton supporters here are Dems

[demwing]

34. The word "Democrat" has lost meaning

I want to say that you can support Hillary and be a "True Democrat" - but to do so requires a redefinition of what the label "True Democrat" means, and if that's the case, if these labels are so malleable that their definition can change with the weather, then what's the use applying them?

Who cares if someone is a "True Democrat" when no one knows what the hell that even means anymore...

[jamese777]

66. Maybe To You

The term "Democrat" as an American political party label has not lost its meaning to me. Democrats have always been a big tent party that incorporated a wide range of beliefs and ideologies. That is still the case in 2016.
Senator Nelson of Florida is a Democrat yet he votes with the Republicans 30% of the time, according to the American Conservative Union. Senator Donnelly of Indiana votes conservative 29% of the time and Senator Manchin of West Virginia votes conservative 27% of the time. They are all Democrats along with Al Franken who votes conservative positions 1% of the time.

[stonecutter357]

55. +1000

[JoePhilly]

59. + 25,000 posts

[stonecutter357]

96. the first thing i look for is the hidden post.

[dlwickham]

145. Me too

They hide that post but the jury refuses to hide the OP

Just sad

[Trust Buster]

37. First, more evidence of Sanders supporters total intolerance. Second, quit playing the victim

and whining about Hillary posters picking on you. Third, lock this thread. Totally violates TOS.

[rhett o rick]

62. I don't have tolerance for those here that support the status quo that has given

us 50,000,000 Americans living in poverty. 2.5 million children homeless. Those that bow before the Wealthy and ignore the poor. I can't tolerate those that think that having a Clinton Aristocracy is more important than helping those among us that are suffering.

Democrats support the 99% and not the Wealthy 1%. Those that support the Wealthy 1% are not Democrats. It's real simple.

Also, Democrats don't look to ban those that they don't agree with.

[RiverLover]

38. Absolute truth.

You're a brave one.

[JaneyVee]

40. Oh well. Im not into labels or purity tests anyway.

Im sticking with Hillary.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

41. Losing hurts like hell

But there's community here....we'll help you through it.

[El Supremo]

106. Great!

I was going to say something lots worse.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

108. So was I!

But a calmer mind prevailed...with just a pinch of what was it called, ah yes, smug...just a pinch of smug


Sheesh!

[Surya Gayatri]

42. Not only is this BS allowed to stand, it is recc'ed by the usual suspects

and will now stink up the Greatest page for 24 hours.

[dlwickham]

147. I recommended it

I want anyone who might visit DU to see what passes for posts anymore

This place is just a cesspool

[Bobbie Jo]

43. What a load.

[mcar]

45. OK

[dem in texas]

46. Seeinghope - you are so uninformed

I am a 76 year old who has been voting since I was 21 (remember back in the poll tax days?). I have always been a registered Democrat and has ALWAYS voted for Democrats, whatever the election is for. I did not vote for Hillary when she ran against Obama, but voted for Obama instead.

I have never voted for GW Bush, not even when he ran for Governor. I was 100% opposed to the Iraq war and I do hold it against Hillary for voting for that war ....but, she can win this election and Bernie cannot. I am voting for the Democrat who can win.

I do not appreciate your comments which are about me indirectly. Don't be so quick to judge people. DU does not need posters like you!

[RiverLover]

60. The Democrat who is for BigBusiness & getting paid off by them right in front of our eyes?

You think she's going to work for workers? You think she's going to help lessen the highest rate of medical bankruptcies in the world? Our crumbling schools? You think she will help bring peace when she is a war hawk? Fight to save the planet by keeping more fossil fuels in the ground & working for renewables? Sustainable agriculture? Regulate banks so we don't have to bail them out again when they crash our economy? Social Security? Its toast. You don't pay someone millions to not get what you want.

A Dem win is more harm than good if she is a republican & our congressional Dems(the real ones) have to fight her in order to fight for US.

Such a strange election. The world has gone mad.

[Squinch]

61. Great post! You speak for me.

[insta8er]

72. Hahahahahahhahahh....Hill supporter calling a Bernie supporter uninformed hahahhahaha

[CoffeeCat]

49. My two biggest political concerns

have been stopping the neocons and their lie-based wars; and ending the corporate corruption that has caused our democracy to be sold off to corrupt politicians.

When I first posted at DU, I rallied against the Republicans on these two issues, constantly. I found a never-ending stream of support on DU for these issues.

I remember that there were a few neocon apologists in DU, but they were rare and they were a laughing stock.

Now--Neocon wars and corporate-political corruption are celebrated, touted and justified here. They are central tenants championed by our frontrunner, HRC.

I'll never understand it. NEVER. As a lifelong Democrat and party volunteer I grieve that once we all fought against in unison--is now what we stand for.

It's sickening and perverse. I'll continue to fight against it and I'll never support it.

[baldguy]

50. Democrats disagree.

[hrmjustin]

51. Sticks and stones...

I am a proud Democrats who gets off his ass to get people elected.

I have been doing street campaigning since the 90"s and I have been proud to do it!

I don't have a pot to piss in so I can't give big bucks but I give my time to the party.

I am proud of my liberal values and don't give two shits what you or some others here think of me.

[Seeinghope]

52. I have seen and read a lot of worse things on here. Some of the comments back and forth have

Been nothing short of personal attacks that are crude. I have also seen a lot of logical posts met with sarcasm. So, my post, which is my observation after reading so many of these posts and reading so much of the name calling ... Especially all of the cracks that were nothing but sarcastic jabs and smear campaigns against Bernie Sanders when he was invited for a talk to the Vatican. I have never expected to see so many horrid posts for a couple of weeks on the board. That is O.K. denigrating an invite and the actions afterward seemed acceptable. The sleazy comments, jabs and the sarcasm that was incessant that flooded this board.

What I said was maybe offensive to some but I have been very offended by the attacks on Bernie Sanders. I have never reported any post because it is a discussion. Although some of the thread were offensive I just moved on. So to those of you who were so upset by words I apologise for upsetting you. Please accept my apology.

[Squinch]

83. The apology is pretty hollow and insincere unless it's accompanied by a closing of the thread. And

your reasoning is ridiculous too: you hate all that name calling and personal attacks so you write an OP whose purpose is to name call and attack, and then you get annoyed when others name call and attack personally.

[Seeinghope]

97. I am sorry for offending people but I am not sorry for feeling the way that I do.

There is a difference. I can try try to further explain my position. Not everything is black and white. I feel more like "Let's agree to disagree". Someone already said "fuck you" is that not something that should be hidden? It could have been expressed in a better way. Most of the posts about Sanders and the Pope were out of line and just frivolous attacks that were viscous. I've been attacked in this thread...so what. If that is what people want to do. My apology was sincere. It was not meant to do anything except to say that I didn't mean to hurt people's feelings personally. Like I said there are a lot of posts that end up being personal attacks on people yet only a few get the alert button it seems. I will tone it down to the best of my ability.

[Squinch]

103. Nope. Not buying it. Night.

[wyldwolf]

54. Face it. If you support Bernie Sanders you are not a true Democrat

Left and progressive people really do not have solid ground to proclaim they are true Democrats, or are the real base of the Democratic Party, and that people who are left of center or center-left or even centerists are not really Democrats.

Second, left and progressive people need to consider whether the tactic of attacking people who are perhaps a bit to the right of them, though generally well to the left of a national average, or of the average in the locale where they reside, as rightists who do not belong in the Democratic Party, is likely to expand and increase their influence in the Democratic Party, and advance the prospects of actually getting laws and regulations they would like to see adopted come to pass.

The faction of the Democratic Party that calls themselves 'progressives' today had their political trial with the campaign for President of Sec. Wallace in 1948, and failed miserably, gaining the votes of only a handful of people. What is repudiated at the polls by the overwhelming preponderance of Democratic voters cannot be the real face of the Democratic Party. It really is that simple.

[Seeinghope]

64. Was LBJ a real Democrat? How about Bobby Kennedy?

[wyldwolf]

65. Did they support Bernie Sanders?

Both centrists.

[Seeinghope]

85. Would they? They are both dead. I asked if they were Democrats. I cannot predict who they

Would support. Although I could take a guess and it wouldn't be Hillary Clinton. Their policies and visions were much too liberal for her. They were much more in line with Bernie Sanders. In fact the Republican Party was much more liberal back then too.

[wyldwolf]

93. Yes, both REAL centrist Democrats

They were much more in line with Bernie Sanders.

Sure, LBJ's war in Viet Nam and Bobby Kennedy's welfare to work program was REAL Sanders-like.

[Seeinghope]

113. LBJ and Bobby Kennedy would be left Democrats today

Lyndon Johnson
upholding civil rights, public broadcasting, Medicare, Medicaid, aid to education, the arts, urban and rural development, public services, and his "War on Poverty". Assisted in part by a growing economy, the War on Poverty helped millions of Americans rise above the poverty line during Johnson's presidency.

Civil rights bills signed by Johnson banned racial discrimination in public facilities, interstate commerce, the workplace, and housing; and the Voting Rights Act banned certain requirements in southern states used to disenfranchise African Americans. With the passage of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, the country's immigration system was reformed and all racial origin quotas were removed (replaced by national origin quotas).

Kennedy ran on a platform of racial and economic justice, non-aggression in foreign policy, decentralization of power and social change. A crucial element of his campaign was an engagement with the young, whom he identified as being the future of a reinvigorated American society based on partnership and equality. His policy objectives did not sit well with the business world, where he was viewed as something of a fiscal liability, opposed as they were to the tax increases necessary to fund social programs. At one of his university speeches (Indiana University Medical School) he was asked, "Where are we going to get the money to pay for all these new programs you're proposing?" He replied to the medical students, about to enter lucrative careers, "From you". Sounds a little like Sanders to me

Back then, I see a very liberal agenda.

[wyldwolf]

114. Sure, LBJ would be bombing the middle east

Bobby Kennedy, leading the Senate New Democrat coalition.

[Seeinghope]

117. Like I said, he made a mistake. He didn't run for a second term. He knew when to back down.

Hillary Clinton voted for the war in Iraq, over 8 years later depose leader in Livy, stood by when a coup removed leader in Honduras, plans on removing leader in Syria...... She didn't learn from Iraq and Libya. What is next...Syria and Iran?

[wyldwolf]

120. Thinking LBJ or RFK were even remotely 'progressive' by today's standards is revisionism.

[madamesilverspurs]

63. You're on a roll.

[lumberjack_jeff]

69. No true scotsman.

She can defintely be a Democrat. But if she's considered the generally-accepted template, then I guess I'm not. Democrat has become little more than a logo.

But I don't think there's a way to twist her history, habits and promises into 'progressive'. She's not that.

[Thinkingabout]

76. How long have you been a Democrat? Maybe you don't know what Democratic values really are.

When you talked about how to tell if a person was a Republican, it appeared you were describing yourself.

[Tarc]

77. Funny how Clinton has won more voted from Democrats than Sanders has

Why is that?

[nini]

80. This must be true

I am a fraud - you figured it out!

Volunteering for Bobby Kennedy in '68 was just a distraction from my real beliefs.
Working and supporting unions for as long as I can remember -even was a shop steward for a while
Volunteered and donated for Democratic candidates for years.
Support most of what my party stands for yet because I might not agree with you how to fix problems I must be a fraud.

I came to this site in 2002 because I was so disgusted with George W and needed to be around like minded people. Now it appears my kind is not welcome or I am simply a liar. Fuck it.. If the goal is to run out real Democrats then it is almost achieved. Well done all - the freepers celebrate your victory.

[Fresh_Start]

81. you might want to look in a mirror

to see smug

[onehandle]

82. K&R! Rec it up!

Hello Skinner!

[IamMab]

86. You don't speak for me. Stop trying, because you're bad at it.

11% of Bernie Sanders supporters in Wisconsin didn't vote for any other Democrat on the ballot. For you to try to pretend that it's Clinton's supporters who aren't Democrats, well, that's just embarrassing on your part.

Go back under your bridge on Reddit, you troll. And take your ridiculous and quite frankly pathetic projection issues with you.

ETA: Feel free to alert the shit out of this. I'm done letting bullies run this place without pushback.

[SidDithers]

88. ...

Tomorrow is going to be fucking epic.

Sid

[workinclasszero]

94. The meltdown is starting tonight it seems :D

Watch out for the poo flinging tomorrow!

Let a thousand conspiracy theories bloom!

[GulfCoast66]

102. Is it even possible...

That the majority of voters in the Democratic primary are not Democrats? Or that the voters who have pretty much wrapped up the Democratic primary for their candidate are not Democrats?

[Kaleva]

110. True Democrats raise and eat meal worms instead of meat for protein...

because they care about the environment.

"When it came to land use and effect on greenhouse gases, the mealworms soundly beat dairy production, pork, chicken and beef. The mealworms needed just 10 percent of the land needed to produce an equivalent amount of beef, including the land needed to grow feed grains and forage. "

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/12/19/167639501/mealworms-beat-meat-for-a-place-on-the-menu-in-environmental-study

[tgards79]

111. This is an absurd post

I am 58 years old and have supported Democrats my entire life. In 40 years of votes I am never voted for a Republican at any level. How dare you question my credentials as a Democrat and my values, simply because I support my Democratic candidate and not yours. How dare you. You sicken me. You are like those who question the patriotism of those who oppose them. I am saddened by your views.

[still_one]

137. Kick and REC!!!

[TNProfessor]

115. Oh, OK. nt

[amborin]

116. exactly

[Agnosticsherbet]

118. So you are saying a 10,404,655 Democrats are not true Democrats.

And those independent voters, who don't belong to the party at all and voted for Sanders, are actually true Democrats.

LOL

[CherokeeDem]

121. OMG....

This is a serious post???

I'm a Democrat and I support Hillary...

You choose to be whoever you are....

[NCTraveler]

122. Hmmmmm

"You know one of the 1st ways that you can tell if a person is a Republican? They are smug."

[Beacool]

124. You really must have a brass set. Here only a few weeks and you get to decide who is a Democrat?????

I had my fill of the purist, self righteous types on this board who think that only they are the "true" Democrats.

You, and that means anyone else who thinks like you, do NOT get to decide who is or who isn't a Democrat.

Of all the nerve.....

[Carolina]

126. So true

HRC still has Goldwater in her veins and is further right than Nixon with as much charm and more lies, all documented on YouTube.

What she has voted for and what she stands for are the antithesis of the New Deal, Fair Deal, New Frontier and Great Society. She sold out ages ago when she helped Bill create the DLC, now Turd Way.

On edit, what was I thinking to say "what she stands for?" She stands for nothing aside from political expediency and personal ambition!

[taught_me_patience]

127. Satire?

Not sure if serious...

[still_one]

135. This isn't a joke from the OPs perspective, and the OP follows through in subsequent posts

[gollygee]

136. This place is getting crazy

People are losing their heads over this election. Of course Hillary supporters are Democrats. This is beyond silly.

[basselope]

140. The Clinton's drove me out of the democratic party in 1992.

I came back briefly for Dean in 2003/04 and am now back for Sanders.

But, people who support the corprocrats are NOT real democrats, they are the tea party wing of the democratic party.

[actslikeacarrot]

141. Actually I think you are wrong.

Here is why: a majority of the Democratic Party dosent seem to be anti war anymore. So I guess we are the ones who aren't true democrats.

[iandhr]

142. I have been a Democrat for longer then Sanders.

You must be pretty full of yourself because you are guilty of many of these things you rant about.

[PeaceNikki]

144. pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffftttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

[iandhr]

149. I think we have a new winner.

For the most moronic anti-Hillary post.


This person is clearly in the anger stage of grief.

[Generic Brad]

151. So...by your logic - you must be a Republican

You certainly have the smug part mastered.

[PowerToThePeople]

152. K&R.

[Freddie Stubbs]

153. "True Democrats" go to rallies and vote in online polls

Voting in primaries? Not so much.

[beachbum bob]

154. Sanders is a socialists and a pacifist...not a democrat

Capitalism is not evil nor is success...

[riversedge]

155. More lecturing --just like Bernie.

[Agschmid]

156. Unrec, and stop.

[Demsrule86]

158. Face it

If you don't support the Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, you are not a real Democrat.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

160. But are you a True Scotsman at least?

[DCBob]

161. Disgusting insulting ignorant post.

[TNProfessor]

163. I think I will send HRC $27 nt

[Nonhlanhla]

165. Grow up. nt.