Hillary Antoinette: Let Them Eat Incrementalism

[imagine2015]

[whatchamacallit]

1. Yep

[EndElectoral]

2. Incrementalism - One step forward and two back, and bend over. Now, do it again.

[seabeyond]

3. Clinton takes care of disadvantage leveling the playing field. Sanders doesn't believe in leveling

the playing field. Loses adn wants her to adopt his policy. Is insisting ignoring the voters choice and demanding a coronation.

[PufPuf23]

10. What are you trying to say? eom

[Human101948]

76. Have another drink!

How could it impair your posting?

[MADem]

4. One mean-spirited cartoon deserves another!

[JEB]

7. Speaking of Right-wing cartoons.

[MADem]

14. You go far enough left and you end up on the right--as the OP cartoon shows us.

What goes around comes around.

[northernsouthern]

38. That would only work in a closed universe...

But that does not apply in politics.

[MADem]

61. You don't think politics is a closed universe?

Look closer.

[northernsouthern]

62. It is a physics term.

In politic it does not have to deal with the nature of the universe with te creation or deletion of matter. You an introduce things in to politics that are new, and things can go away, if policy loops then by your logic if you go even further to the left you end back where bernie is, so your point is moot.

[MADem]

74. Well, JFK, RFK, and Teddy are dead.

But a Kennedy sits in Congress. We've had two Bush presidents, and they were related to Franklin Pierce.

On the other hand, if we get a 2nd President Clinton (nee Rodham), she will share no bloodline with the other one.

Seems pretty closed to me--it's certainly a family affair.

I don't think my point is moot at all.

The term in the context of this conversation can mean whatever we want it to mean, because Politics ≠ Physics, and never will.

[northernsouthern]

79. Are you talking about...

Hillary talking about how Bobby Kennedy was shot close to the convention?

[MADem]

80. No. nt

[northernsouthern]

81. Oh, ok. I wasn't sure if you were talking about her mention of Bobby Kennedy being shot in June. NT

[northernsouthern]

29. Lol, people seem to claim they know what a right wing cartoon is

These are based on actual event, and involve things like the "Hillary victory Fund", which is real, and could be highly illegal.



But the above poster has Bernie actually stealing from a person. Not sure when taxing with representation or donating was ever stealing. Unlike the DNC that taxes independents to fund their closed elections.

P.S. I love the fact the cartoon is using the free stuff meme, and that the guy loves free stuff, and by the nature of the cartoon would then have a problem with taxes to pay? Does any one know how Costco or more so co-ops work? That is such a smarmy cartoon.

[Arugula Latte]

8. Free stuff for corporations -- why don't Hillary people ever have a problem with that?

[oasis]

13. Good one. "free stuff" isn't free.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

15. Like US drone strikes, war upon war and

$$ for Wall Street.

[MADem]

27. Yes, drones. The Senator from Lockheed Martin knows about those!

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/what-we-do/aerospace-defense/unmanned-systems.html

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/09/bernie-sanders-loves-this-1-trillion-war-machine.html

[Phlem]

37. He's there to create jobs for his constituency. WTF is he supposed to do,

not vote for it and get a large part of his constituency laid off?

Damned if he does damned if he doesn't, usually how the mic plays politicians that push back.

Old news, grade school stuff, but you knew that already right?

Who was pro war and voted for the IRAQ war that got thousands of innocents killed?

And before you go there, what's Bernie supposed to do, not vote to support a war that's already begun? He wouldn't be supporting the troops then would he?

If your going to pull shit like that try a little harder.

Refute this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x109944

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/mar/25/hillary-clinton/video-shows-tarmac-welcome-no-snipers/

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/sep/02/11-examples-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-hol/

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/sep/02/11-examples-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-hol/

[MADem]

47. War and war spending are OK for some

But not others.

LOL!

[puffy socks]

55. Bernie only voted for good wars, Somalia, Yugoslavia

Libya, and what was that one back in 1998,ummmm. let me think, in 1998 Sanders voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998.

He was for it before he was against it.

[Buddyblazon]

58. Member less than a week...

Insert Brock Sock puppet jpg here.

[MADem]

64. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

The information provided is accurate.

[Buddyblazon]

67. Glass house?

My DU house has been standing for 12 years.

[MADem]

72. You only show up every four years, it would seem. nt

[Buddyblazon]

78. Nope...

I have been here all 12 years.

And the poster you're defending has been here 1 week and simply because they support your side.

[MADem]

83. 16% of your contributions have occurred in the last 90 days.

It's not nice to cast aspersions on newcomers "simply because they DON'T support your side."

It's a two way street. You posted more this week than you did the entire year of 2013. Should we make something of that?

[puffy socks]

69. rofl

it's a conspiracy!

[Buddyblazon]

70. When they start posting smilies as a reply you've pissed someone off..

You've been here less than a week...you're a sock puppet alright.

[Phlem]

56. Um no. I said he's damned of he does and damned he doesn't. WTF

about that don't you understand?

Also I see you've chosen to not refute any of the questionable situations provided proving once again there's nothing to low for Hillary supporters.

Whatever it takes huh.

[oasis]

30. "Drone strikes" vs. boots on the ground.

Them or us. Get it?

[d_legendary1]

33. How about neither?

How about putting that money into infrastructure, schools, and health care? We are not the world's policeman.

[oasis]

35. And we keep ISIS/ISIL away from U.S. with Ben&Jerry's gift cards.

Alrighty then.

[d_legendary1]

39. They exist because of our meddling in their affairs

We drop bombs on them, displaced millions, killed/maimed thousands, and you wonder why they want to kill us. But please, go on pretending that dropping more bombs, displacing millions more, and killing/maiming them is going to make them stop hating us.

[oasis]

41. Ignoring them won't stop them from trying to kill us. nt

[d_legendary1]

43. Who said anything about ignore?

Shore up the defenses here and quit spending $100,000 on a bomb that's only going to create more of them.

[oasis]

44. The best defense is a good offense. Smash 'em. nt

[Human101948]

77. A perfectly Republican response...

More war! Kill 'em all and let Allah sort it out!

[oasis]

84. Republican, Democrat, Independents and all Americans

concerned with the safety and security of its citizens.

[MADem]

73. Well, two votes for regime change is suggestive of both, I'd say. nt

[northernsouthern]

36. You may want to check the source of your cartoons...

You are posting a cartoon reposted in many rightwing sites...he is not a fan of Hillary...

Gary Varvel

Gary Varvel is a political cartoonist for the Indianapolis Star.[1] Gary Varvel has been the editorial cartoonist for The Star since 1994.[2] Previously he was the chief artist for The Indianapolis News for 16 years.[2] His works are syndicated with Creators Syndicate. His cartoons are written from a conservative point of view.[1] Varvel is an avid sports fan, and often includes the Indianapolis sports scene in his cartoons.

Besides being a cartoonist, he is a part-time art teacher and an adult Sunday school teacher. Varvel resides in Brownsburg, Indiana with his wife and three children.

http://www.indystar.com/opinion/varvel/

Not sure if you want to post his works...(they are quite bad, and they even get a bit racist if you dig deep ehough)...

But hey if you are cool with that and if you hate taxes and think that Democrats like to steal and have no idea of single payer healthcare would work...

[Phlem]

40. Yep. Bankers and the Fed.

Lovers who do not answer to any US backed laws. A separate entity not controlled in any way by the US government. Convenient.

*sigh*

Plain as day for some, completely invisible to 95% of the country = financial collapse and BAILOUT.

Ugh.......and we're going to do it again with the 3rd Thirdway candidate in a row.

The fucking stupid is hurting us all.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-probe-exclusive-idUSKCN0W62C0

[840high]

46. .that^

[MADem]

49. Even a blind squirrel can find a nut every now and again

You think that POS drawing leading off this charade is liberal?

[northernsouthern]

51. Yes , it is the nature of the arguement.

The "POS" cartoon as you put it is reflecting on the unrest between people in the DNC that want change, but feel like Hillary in her position of wealth and power does not care or want to care about our position by her constant talking points of the "dreamers" narrative insinuating we need to wake up. If this was a republican talking point it would be about her wanting to steal from the working class. You need to understand the nature of the argument if you are going to refute it.

[MADem]

60. IOW, "MY" shitty right wing meme is good...but "YOUR" shitty right wing meme is baaad!

Because Bernie, or something.

LOL.

[northernsouthern]

63. Language please.

As I said, yours was made by a rightwing partially racist sunday school teacher that is openly conservative. I posted his other works on Hillary to show you. The OP was posting one that is a leftwing attack. Not many republicans are complaining that we ate not getting sigle payer fast enough. They are calling us lazy moochers...which is what your cartoon was.

[MADem]

65. Language? Really?

There must be a fainting couch around here somewhere!

Nice attempt to deflect, but that's a big fail. The point is valid and it stands.

Democrats--actual ones--don't use that kind of disgraceful and divisive imagery to illustrate a POTUS candidate.

It's a SHITTY thing to do.

[northernsouthern]

68. I censor my words because it it polite.

Democrats--actual ones--don't use that kind of disgraceful and divisive imagery to illustrate a POTUS candidate.

It's a SHITTY thing to do.

Spoiler alert you used it. If asking you to look at your sources first is too much to ask, well then cool. I thought we were trying to avoid right wing propaganda, I proved to you that you are posting it. Nothing left to do.

[MADem]

71. Because creating imagery of our likely Democratic nominee as a Queen is such

a LEFT WING meme? Please--that crap -- and it is crap -- has been flung by Rush Limbaugh for decades now. Just because someone who doesn't have that rightwing stank on them uses the very same meme, don't expect me to not see it for what it is. In short, as Judge Judy says, "Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining."

The OP perpetuates a right wing meme--and one ugly, nasty right wing meme deserves another. Capisce?

[ieoeja]

89. Right. That cartoonist is clearly a rightwinger. More of his work...

[imagine2015]

57. Looks like a right-wing cartoon you posted. Is it? You know the line, Bernie wants to pay ....

for "free stuff" going to poor people by taxing working class folks.

As you know, Bernie has laid out very clearly how he plans to finance progressive programs that benefit ordinary working class and middle class people. Tax the rich, big business and Wall Street to help Main Street.

And that's why those interests are funneling millions into the campaign of the former Senator from Wall Street, Hillary Clinton.

Isn't that right?

[MADem]

59. Sorta like the Queen Hillary charge in the OP...? Gee, funny how some can't

see the beam in their own doggone eye ain't it?

Isn't that RIGHT?

[trumad]

6. Yeah---and

[JustAnotherGen]

9. Ha ha!

[rhett o rick]

17. Projection. Clinton has jumped on the free stuff bandwagon and her plans all call

for higher taxes on the working class. She is not about reducing the wealth gap, the constant drain of the 99% wealth to the wealthy. Sanders recognizes that the super wealthy, need to pay their fair share. Clinton and Goldman-Sachs don't agree. Oh yeah recently Clinton has come around to saying that maybe some loopholes should be closed. LOL. Right Hillary.

The cartoon is apropos.

[MADem]

23. LOL. nt

[MADem]

22. That top cartoon looks pretty right wing to me, too. See, one lousy turn deserves another.

Bernie hasn't laid out anything very clearly. His math is a complete chimera--ugly, scary, patched together, a complete mess, and nonexistent.

His nonsensical "plans" rely on cooperation from a Congress that hates him so much that nearly NONE of them will endorse him. If they don't think he should be POTUS, you seriously think they'll follow along with his hare-brained schemes? It's far more likely they'd tick off the days until he could be primaried--but that's in a mythical world where he could overcome his massive and relentless delegate deficit and gain the nomination...but that's not happening.

It's all over but the realization.

And that's just a fact. The Weaver plan of flipping the Supers is just crazy talk. That's not going to happen, and just proposing it shows how far out to lunch the leadership of his campaign is--no wonder he's flailing. He's taking incredibly bad advice from aides who specialize in goading, baiting and bullying--and it's all going over like a lead balloon. But now that they've gone on the attack, it's kind of hard for them to stop (Tad Devine is pulling millions out of the campaign every month for his own company, so of COURSE he wants the gravy train to keep rolling).

So they'll just crack on with the snark, the "Bros" will keep posting "Queen Hillary" cartoons, and eventually, it will spiral down and out. Poor Bernie. His legacy is tarnished with every chunk of crap flung....but hey....do go on!

[artislife]

11. I wish climate change would get the incremental meme.

It is going at break neck speed.

[rhett o rick]

18. Does Clinton-Sachs even recognize climate change? nm

[Agschmid]

20. Yes.

Next question.

[rhett o rick]

24. She is too busy counting her millions and hundreds of millions to care.

[Agschmid]

25. And you are too busy making up stuff to actually do the leg work to learn her position.

I know.

I'm not shocked.

[rhett o rick]

28. She has no positions. She spouts rhetoric. "we need" "I want" "we should" no solid positions.

And her position on fracking has been changing steadily.

[artislife]

75. Recognize but will do nothing of value to stop it. Next.

[Broward]

21. She recognizes it but she won't jeopardize the bottom lines

of her fossil fuel contributors to stop it.

[questionseverything]

19. 300 tones of boiling water emptying into the pacific everyday for over 5 years now

and there is no way to stop it

it is heating the pacific ,hurrying the destruction of ocean life, changing weather patterns not to mention melting the ice at the poles

some experts say not everyone will die and personally i want the people that do survive to think of democracy as a viable way to govern themselves...that is why i support bernie

then again i maybe too optimistic

[DookDook]

12. That's how it looks to me. n/t

[Skwmom]

16. Incrementalism (aka the billionaires and corporations feast, the people get crumbs).

[rhett o rick]

26. There is nothing incremental about the growth of the Clinton Family wealth. $10 million per year.

And it should be pointed out that while on social issues we've had positive incremental advances on economic we have been moving backward more than merely incrementally.

The wealthy don't wish us dead, but if we die in their greedy quest for our wealth and resources, it's not personal, it's just business.

[TheKentuckian]

31. Even actual incrementalism is not really offered, it is just something to say when caught

doing nothing, rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, or even actually taking us backward.

[JaneyVee]

32. Bernies entire career has been about incrementalism...

You know damn well he has zero accomplishments under his belt.

[bjo59]

34. Incrementalism? It's more like let them eat corporate globalism.

[Phlem]

42. A Pro Wall Street Candidate is going to start dating the Fed

soon. To bad she's fooled people into thinking she will do something about it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-probe-exclusive-idUSKCN0W62C0

The Fed and Oversight? No such thing.

The actual quote which is attributed to the banker Mayer Amschel Rothschild is:

Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws!:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayer_Amschel_Rothschild

[CharlotteVale]

45. K&R

[Hiraeth]

48. Eat your peas with a small spoon. The big spoon is for spanking your egalitarian ass.

[The Midway Rebel]

50. Brilliant! Nt

[apcalc]

52. What is your suggestion

Given the R's
Who control the House and Senate?

[Phlem]

86. oooooh! I've been here over 10 years and have never that!

What's Hillary and the DNC going to do when they can't attract voters, blame Bernie voters?

Yeah, last midterms were all about that.

If your candidate can't win, it's someone else's fault, you know, like how the DNC wanted to attract Republican voters last midterm and shit on their base. The Democrats lost big but Progressive left legislation won big.

So good luck with your moderate Republican.

[Phlem]

85. I see your working hard to attract Bernie voters.

Or are you going to blame Bernie voters for her loss when Trump runs her over.

[Phlem]

88. Great then I'll be watching to make sure you don't blame him for your loss.

[Ferd Berfel]

54. Incrementalism and pragmatism

are delaying tactics. They are designed to give the elite time to figure out how to either stop the change or profit from it.

[treestar]

66. If they really wanted a political revolution

They'd vote accordingly and vote in midterms.

Or start making revolutionary cells with guns, etc.

Most Americans are not really for overthrowing the government, violent revolution, etc. They are perfectly happy with the status quo as far as politics go, and are not raging against "The Establishment."

[Carolina]

82. Excellent post

and all too true!