To Clear the Air, Sanders Should Challenge New York Vote

[NWCorona]

In November 2004, the officially announced results of the Ukrainian presidential election differed from exit polling by 12%.

U.S. officials officially cried fraud.

Last Tuesday, the results of the New York primary between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders differed from exit polling by 12%.

Tim Robbins has cried fraud, and the Washington Post’s most consistent Clinton hack this cycle is leading the charge in mocking him.

A friend of mine, a Sanders supporter who acted as a poll worker in Brooklyn, initially saw nothing wrong, suggesting that a bunch of people, who were ineligible to vote, cast provisional ballots for Sanders and then told exit pollsters that they voted accordingly. My friend, who has not given me specific permission to use their name, worked a precinct in the Greenpoint neighborhood, Sanders’ best in New York City. About one-third of all ballots were cast provisionally in that precinct.

But that would not explain why exit polling has been so bad in fifteen other states, missing consistently to Clinton’s benefit and outside the margin of error in eight states with open or mixed primaries."
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/26/to-clear-the-air-sanders-should-challenge-new-york-vote/

[LonePirate]

1. Why is it easier to believe the difference is election fraud instead of poor exit polling?

If I am an impartial observer or investigator, I would first want to know how valid, scientific, representative and reliable the exit polling is? It's interesting how there is never any discussion about the exit polling being flawed. Somehow all the discussion starts with the assumption that exit polling is infallible and somehow the final election results are faulty. If the exit polls are deemed to be sound, then an understanding of the differences can be investigated.

[NWCorona]

2. I'm not saying NY is election fraud.

I do think there should be a sample audit tho. If the polling had a deficiency an audit should address and put forward recommendations to correct the issue.

[rhett o rick]

3. Exit polling has long been used as an indicator of possible fraud.

It should bring on investigations to find the truth.

[-none]

7. Exit polling is pretty straight forward.

One of the first questions ask after being ask if you are will to do an exit interview, is who did you vote for, for such and such an office. Kinda hard to mess that up unless the voter lies.
There were no real problem with exit polling until 2000 when it suddenly became a problem. People suddenly did not start lying in 2000.

[LonePirate]

18. It may be straight forward but it doesn't mean it is scientific or representative.

There were fewer than 1.400 responses in CNN's exit polls in NY even though 1.8M votes were cast. Did the poll takers seek responses at polling places that were representative of the NY electorate? Were they based in heavy Bernie precincts or heavy Hillary precincts? Did the poll takers only question certain types of people based on appearance or demeanor? Or were the poll takers completely unbiased in their samples?

Those questions and a host of similar ones need to be asked about the exit polls before jumping to conclusions that the polls are right and the results are wrong.

[wyldwolf]

4. yes, Bernie, do it.

[reddread]

6. can we still use a single asterisk?

or will this require two ** ?

[Tarc]

5. The fact that Sanders hasn't challenged any election results is telling

Obviously his legal counsel is saner than some of his base.

[PyaarRevolution]

9. I think the results should be frozen and not included in the delegate count for either.

Until an audit is done and the provisional ballots are counted or people will always question NY. Not standing up for Dems. who were possibly thrown off the rolls is not helping people to believe Hillary has your back and could hurt her in the general election if she gets the nom.
Let me make this clear again, I'm NOT talking about the independents, I'm talking about newly registered Democratic voters and Democratic voters who got thrown off the rolls.

[Betty Karlson]

10. Oh, how we miss the wisdom of 2000.

Obviously Bush won Florida, and exit polls had it wrong...

[Tarc]

13. You really don't have much of an understanding of how exit polls work

Just like one of Sanders' prime cheerleaders;

You need to chill out, Tim Robbins

[Betty Karlson]

14. Don't condescend please. Besides, we can see fraud.

Once is an incident, twice is coincidence, three times is weird, four times is a pattern

And once we get to the "1 in a trillion chance of this happening all by chance" territory, the word FRAUD is applicable.

[Tarc]

15. And yet you cannot scrape up a reason as to why Sanders himself has not filed a challenge

He was pretty quick to hop on the lawsuit when it came to that DNC database "breach" a few months ago, so obviously they have many experienced lawyers on hand who aren't hesitant to jump if they see a genuine legal problem.

So why no official challenges yet?

[Betty Karlson]

16. Because unlike Clinton, he doesn't burn bridges unless he really has to?

Just a guess.

[Ferd Berfel]

8. Good idea but

how long does something like that take?

I'm guessing that (after the clinton delaying tactics - sorry, after the Clinton incremental pragmatic approach) by the time they discover the fraud it will be 2020.

[NWCorona]

11. It's hard to say but a 5% sample audit wouldn't take long at all.

[Ferd Berfel]

17. Good start

[Jitter65]

12. There wasn't fraud, just voters trying to vote who were not properly registered, some poll worker

errors etc.

[NuclearDem]

19. You misspelled "concede."