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Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:20 PM

Troubled by Hillary's response to question about adopting some of Bernie's agenda

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I saw a video here somewhere, cant find it now.

She was asked about the popularity of Bernie and his ideas and would she work with him on some of that and her answer was very disappointing.

Along the lines of she got more votes so why should she.

Obviously anybody with a brain or heart who alleges they are liberal has to vote for her if Bernie loses, but this response of hers was not only arrogant but she lost the perfect chance to bring us all together.

Too bad.

I am editing this, I should have mentioned Bernie didnt help matters by saying he has conditions on his support...

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Reply Troubled by Hillary's response to question about adopting some of Bernie's agenda (Original post)
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 OP
ibegurpard Apr 2016 #1
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #3
Armstead Apr 2016 #9
Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #17
tex-wyo-dem Apr 2016 #44
PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #78
RufusTFirefly Apr 2016 #90
Kall Apr 2016 #32
SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #62
questionseverything Apr 2016 #105
SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #120
oldandhappy Apr 2016 #106
yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #119
dchill Apr 2016 #2
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #5
Skwmom Apr 2016 #4
northernsouthern Apr 2016 #6
Kittycat Apr 2016 #7
Punkingal Apr 2016 #8
Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #21
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #89
Purveyor Apr 2016 #10
pnwmom Apr 2016 #46
Purveyor Apr 2016 #54
pnwmom Apr 2016 #55
hollysmom Apr 2016 #63
pnwmom Apr 2016 #66
hollysmom Apr 2016 #75
pnwmom Apr 2016 #80
hollysmom Apr 2016 #83
pnwmom Apr 2016 #84
choie Apr 2016 #59
SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #67
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #92
choie Apr 2016 #107
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #117
pnwmom Apr 2016 #99
840high Apr 2016 #100
pnwmom Apr 2016 #102
840high Apr 2016 #110
pnwmom Apr 2016 #111
840high Apr 2016 #112
pnwmom Apr 2016 #113
choie Apr 2016 #108
pnwmom Apr 2016 #109
choie Apr 2016 #115
pnwmom Apr 2016 #116
choie Apr 2016 #118
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #91
Buns_of_Fire Apr 2016 #11
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #13
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #97
MsFlorida Apr 2016 #12
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #14
Name removed Apr 2016 #61
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #64
Name removed Apr 2016 #68
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #70
Name removed Apr 2016 #74
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #85
SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #71
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #72
SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #79
840high Apr 2016 #101
Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #23
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #93
840high Apr 2016 #103
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #114
politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2016 #15
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #19
pnwmom Apr 2016 #52
Name removed Apr 2016 #65
pnwmom Apr 2016 #69
ContinentalOp Apr 2016 #86
hollysmom Apr 2016 #73
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #95
loyalsister Apr 2016 #16
SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #77
RufusTFirefly Apr 2016 #96
highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #18
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #22
highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #34
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #40
highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #51
Hoyt Apr 2016 #20
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #24
Hoyt Apr 2016 #25
dgauss Apr 2016 #29
hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #39
msongs Apr 2016 #26
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #31
BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #27
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #30
azurnoir Apr 2016 #28
Lil Missy Apr 2016 #33
JDPriestly Apr 2016 #45
Lil Missy Apr 2016 #76
notadmblnd Apr 2016 #35
Svafa Apr 2016 #36
JDPriestly Apr 2016 #37
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #41
JDPriestly Apr 2016 #49
YouDig Apr 2016 #38
JoePhilly Apr 2016 #43
JDPriestly Apr 2016 #53
Ash_F Apr 2016 #56
JoePhilly Apr 2016 #42
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #47
JoePhilly Apr 2016 #50
DirtyHippyBastard Apr 2016 #48
PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #57
RedCappedBandit Apr 2016 #58
bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #60
amborin Apr 2016 #81
silvershadow Apr 2016 #82
lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #87
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #88
Sparkly Apr 2016 #94
Lars39 Apr 2016 #98
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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:22 PM

1. Why would you expect anything else from her?

She showed us who she was years ago.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:24 PM

3. The smart political response was not what she gave, that is what surprised me.

I think she is put off by how hard this has been, expected a cake walk, and has an attitude about it.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:29 PM

9. It reveals more than a political tin ear

 

It's her sense of entitlement, and nothing else matters.

I expect no concessions from the neo-liberal corporate agenda for the next four years.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:39 PM

17. Bingo

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Response to Armstead (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:00 PM

44. There's been a lot of alogations of Bernie being tone-deaf...

To PoC issues, but Hillary is being tone-deaf to almost half of the democratic electorate.

Really poor judgement, but hey, she seems to be really good at that.

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Response to tex-wyo-dem (Reply #44)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:30 PM

78. Maybe Hillary Clinton is not tone deaf at all to the liberal wing of the Democratic Party.

The liberal wing of the Democratic Party is more a threat to the current neo-liberal Democratic party establishment than the more moderate GOP.

I think that they want us to give up and leave the Party and I for one intend to be a burr rather than leave.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:42 PM

90. Yup. She could've provided a content-free political response, such as

"Senator Sanders has run a great and inspiring campaign and it's clear that he has a lot of enthusiastic supporters. I look forward to meeting with him and to finding some common ground. I'm confident that we see eye to eye on a great many issues."

But instead she basically said

Nyah! Nyah!

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:49 PM

32. It was the response anyone would have expected of her.

It certainly didn't surprise me.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:19 PM

62. Ain't that the truth?

I'm no kind of politician, but I sure could have crafted a better response.

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #62)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:22 PM

105. nothing more unattractive than a poor winner

n/t

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #105)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:50 PM

120. Well, a poor loser, maybe,

but at least the loser has some kind of excuse, however poor. If Hillary really thinks she's got it locked up, she not only can afford to be gracious, it would be in her best interest.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:23 PM

106. Gonna get worse when the repubs start in on her!

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:28 PM

119. Here

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:23 PM

2. She needs to watch her tone, too.


Just sayin'.

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Response to dchill (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:24 PM

5. Tone? No, just her answer which was politically inept.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:24 PM

4. Who would believe her?

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:24 PM

6. Yeah it is all over. TYT covered it too.

 

She snaps in the video and has a fit over the fact she has not won yet. I think she is annoyed that last election she held fast until June, so saying any less would be a hypocrite.

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Response to northernsouthern (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:26 PM

7. This was the first and only TH/Debate that we shut off.

After that question, that was it. What's the point? If there was a shred of any hope remaining there, she lost us both in that response.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:28 PM

8. Not surprised by what she said.

She has contempt for Bernie and for us. She doesn't want unity because she doesn't think she needs us.

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:40 PM

21. Exactly Correct

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:41 PM

89. She doesn't need you because she never had you. nt

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:31 PM

10. I saw it today and certainly didn't 'like her tone'. Everytime

 

I start to think I can force myself to vote for her if I must, she pulls some shit like this...

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:01 PM

46. Right. Because her "tone" wasn't humble enough.

She's bragging just like a man would do. So inappropriate.

Because we KNOW that if Bernie was the winner, of course he'd compromise his cherished positions to get Hillary supporters on board.



No, that's the LAST thing Bernie would do and it's unfair and sexist to expect Hillary to do what no male nominee has ever been expected to do.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #46)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:06 PM

54. Your absolutely right. She sounds just like Donald Trump... eom

 

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #54)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:08 PM

55. She sounds just like Bernie Sanders when he was bragging about his caucus wins.

But he's a guy so that's allowed.

Not when the woman does it. Then it's over-the-top.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #55)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:21 PM

63. bullhockey. the delegates vote on the platform

lets see if they are puppets or if they are conservative republicans or if they are "progressives - they can be progressives like Hillary - not so much, or they can be real progressives that does not want to go back to the 1950's

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Response to hollysmom (Reply #63)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:23 PM

66. She will have the large majority of pledged delegates, so the platform will reflect her views.

That's how it works in the real world.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #66)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:27 PM

75. delegates are not slaves they don't have to vote for everything she asks for.

we are not talking about a dictatorship here.

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Response to hollysmom (Reply #75)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:30 PM

80. No, they are not. But they are strongly motivated to support HER and that's why they

are her delegates and not his.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #80)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:32 PM

83. yes, but they have independent minds and strangerthings have happened. this is not an monarchy, yet.

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Response to hollysmom (Reply #83)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:36 PM

84. Get real. If Bernie were the winner, would you expect him to cave on his strongly held positions

just to get Hillary's support?

His supporters would be outraged if he did that.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #46)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:15 PM

59. She is infuriated that Bernie is still

in the race. She believes she is owed this nomination- how dare Democrats question her! And to say she graciously dropped out of the 2008 race is absurd - she only dropped out after the last to primary when it was obvious she had lost. As for not asking Obama for anything in return for her support - how do we know that Clinton's nomination for Sec of State wasn't Quid Pro Quo?

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Response to choie (Reply #59)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:23 PM

67. Bingo.

I can't read her mind, of course, but I believe she is extremely annoyed and can't or won't hide it, even when her pique works to her own detriment.

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Response to choie (Reply #59)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:43 PM

92. I'm sure it was Quid Pro Quo ...

But the difference is that Hillary and Obama had the class to work all that out behind the scenes.

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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #92)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:26 PM

107. No, the difference is

Bernie can't be bought with a cabinet position.

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Response to choie (Reply #107)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:09 PM

117. Well either way,

he's losing this election and I'm thoroughly elated with that fact.

Oh, kudos to a 17 point lead in Pennsylvania. That's a great win in delegates. Bernie's got a similar breakdown in Rhode Island but that's 33 delegates versus Pennsylvania's 118.

And let's see, Maryland, Delaware.

Sanders got that postage stamp known as Rhode Island, and, well, I guess he's got a 3 point lead Connecticut but with only 27% reporting so that could change.

I think he'll probably drop out this week.

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Response to choie (Reply #59)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:59 PM

99. She's not infuriated. She's assertive. But I know that's hard for certain people to distinguish

when the asserter is a woman.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #99)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:17 PM

100. Not this again.

 

Warren is assertive. Clinton - nah.

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Response to 840high (Reply #100)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:19 PM

102. Warren wasn't ambitious enough to run for President.

That's part of what's so attractive about her, to people who can't stand to seem ambition in women.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #102)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:46 PM

110. Warren is smart. She's not

 

ready to run. One day she will and I'll support her.

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Response to 840high (Reply #110)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:51 PM

111. She's not ever going to run. Do you realize she's almost Hillary's age?

And Bernie is the oldest person to run ever. There's no reason to think Elizabeth will want to follow in his footsteps.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #111)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:52 PM

112. Let's agree to disagree. I have

 

always liked you.

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Response to 840high (Reply #112)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:54 PM

113. There's one thing we can probably agree on:

I would be happy to have Elizabeth as anyone's VP -- though I'm not sure she'd want even that.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #99)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:32 PM

108. Oh cut the bullshit

That's a canard - she has, since she was senator from NY, expected to be crowned the Democratic nominee. And the fact that another Dem is questioning her candidacy is galling to her. It's her character not her gender that defines her and my distaste for her.

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Response to choie (Reply #108)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:34 PM

109. It was galling to her that Rachel said, "IF" Hillary has the most delegates. She DOES have the

most pledged delegates, by far, and it's time certain people got that though their thick heads.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #109)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:04 PM

115. and what?

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Response to choie (Reply #115)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:05 PM

116. Where is the word "and" in my post?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #109)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:17 PM

118. i'm sure that was galling to her - but she's been "galled" since the day Bernie

decided to run against her. How dare he!

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #46)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:42 PM

91. ^^^^ This. nt

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:33 PM

11. Here's the TYT video I think you're referring to...

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Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:35 PM

13. Yeah, thanks.

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Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:50 PM

97. I agree with everything she's saying here.

And way for the person presenting this to completely shift attention from what was actually being asked ... an entire platform change ... to just a few positions changed. Frankly, Rachel did the same thing with her "some of" comment. Bernie basically wants her to become Bernie. Why should she? She's winning on the strength of her ideas.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:35 PM

12. I will stay home and NEVER vote for that woman

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Response to MsFlorida (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:36 PM

14. Wrong reaction, especially if you are in FL

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Response to Name removed (Reply #61)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:21 PM

64. The consequences will be to the people president Cruz treats like shit, it will be millions.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #68)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:25 PM

70. So you think Cruz will be a good president. OK

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Response to Name removed (Reply #74)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:39 PM

85. In the election there will be two choices. Two...think that though to the logical

conclusion, then decide if you will be part of the solution or the problem.

I wish Bernie was winning, he isnt, so I have to deal with that.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #64)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:25 PM

71. I worry about that. Hillary needs to worry about it as well. nt

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #71)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:26 PM

72. Translation, if she isnt nice to me I wont vote for her and those people be damned?

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #72)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:30 PM

79. Nope, not me. But Hillary does need to worry about it. nt

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #64)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:18 PM

101. Blah, blah

 

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Response to MsFlorida (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:41 PM

23. I will vote for down ticket progressives

But I'm through with the DLC, Third Way, neo-Dem corporate crowd.

She doesn't need me - She has Wall Steet.

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Response to MsFlorida (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:45 PM

93. "that woman"

I thought that was a term usual reserved for Ms. Lewinsky.

Either way, why should we cry over milk we never had in the fridge? You were never going to vote for her anyway so repeating it endlessly isn't really going to change how we feel about it. We're winning.

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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #93)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:20 PM

103. imo Miss Lewinsky

 

is a good woman.

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Response to 840high (Reply #103)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:01 PM

114. Ah ok.

Well we all have our opinions.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:37 PM

15. If you're talking about what was said at the Town Halls last evening

When asked whether he would encourage his supporters to vote for her, Bernie said that she would need to ask his supporters herself. He said it is her responsibility to ask his supporters for their vote. He then proceeded to give a laundry list of things that he would need to hear from her as part of her Platform in order to earn his vote, and surprise, surprise, it was an entire laundry list of everything that he has been running on this entire campaign.

Clinton during her Town Hall, when asked about it, stated that when she endorsed Sen Obama, she didn't give him a laundry list of things that he had to do in order to secure her vote. Likewise, she asked her supporters to vote for him with no conditions attached to that.

In my 40 years of following politics, I've never heard of a candidate doing what Bernie did, by tell Chris Hayes during the Town Hall that Hillary would literally have to accept his entire agenda as part of her agenda in order to gain his support, and then she herself would have to ask his supporters to support her and convince them that she was worthy of their vote.t This after he has spent the last 8 months telling them that she was the spawn of Satan.

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:39 PM

19. This is all true, but the problem is if you want their votes, especially knowing

how touchy and almost childish many of them are acting about this, you have to give a different answer.

You have to pivot, tell them what they want to hear, politicians do it all the time.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:04 PM

52. If the positions were reversed, would Bernie COMPROMISE HIS PRINCIPLES and change his positions

to get Hillary's support?

No way in hell, and his supporters would be furious if he did so.

We know what Hillary would do if she were the loser, because we saw what she did when Obama beat her. She graciously conceded defeat and went on to work extremely hard for him throughout the remainder of the campaign.

And that's what Bernie should do -- not be a sore loser.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #65)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:24 PM

69. She'll do just fine. President Obama won with the same coalition.

And a recent poll among millennials shows that millennials will strongly back her against Trump.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #52)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:40 PM

86. YES! Exactly.

This is the best summation of the situation I've seen yet. You should make it an OP.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:26 PM

73. so childish

not wanting more war that has never worked or not wanting Social security privatized to "save it) and a nice windfall for wall street. Not believing it works in asking business to behave itself instead of regulating it. not believing the best we can do is ACA. Not thinking charter schools are the answer to school issues.

Hillary could have asked her supporters to support Obama, but they made up their own minds. She should at least realize the same should happen with her, - not we can't doesn't cut it and swinging to the right in the GE will not please a lot of people, she needs to decide if she wants to be a republican or not.

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:46 PM

95. ++++100

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:38 PM

16. For someone who is supposedly politically savvy

The Wall st. speeches with no preparation to deal with the inevitably demanded transparency, "dead broke" comment, sniper fire in Bosnia, chewing out a Greenpeace activist, etc etc reveal a lack of foresight, self awareness, or both.
So far the campaign seems to manage by holding staged events. She does not do well when caught off guard and that is a very big problem for any politician to have.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:29 PM

77. Yeah, those speeches,

When a) she already had plenty of money and b) she knew darn well she'd be running for president, strike me as pretty poor judgment. I will allow that the political climate was much different then, though.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:46 PM

96. Especially if she's goaded by Trump

The maniacal laughter won't get her out of every scrape.

https://m.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:39 PM

18. She didn't lose the chance, but I think she should work a lot harder at it. It's one thing to win,

 

which hasn't even been done yet, but is likely.

It's another thing to gloat. It's still another thing to ignore the wide swath of Democratic voters who are all too eager to vote for a Democrat if they can be assured they will act like one. And I mean on monetary policy, not just social issues.

Hillary could reach out to the populace, energized and ready to vote for the right candidate, or she can sock it to them as usual. Say, "you've got nowhere else to go". Shit like that.

That's the kind of treatment I expect. I truly hope that she and her supporters could surprise me.

Look, if you win, you can afford to be magnanimous. Try it on. It's got a much better long-lasting, sweeter taste than vengeance, retribution, exclusion, snobbery, and all that trash.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:40 PM

22. Bernie did give an answer that was also annoying as this poster points out

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #22)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:50 PM

34. I hope she's got the skills to get over that annoyance, or else it's just ego getting in the way.

 

The major reason so many people love Bernie is his consistent adherence to principles that he holds dear, and that they hold dear as well. Being a loyal member of a political party, no matter what bullshit they pull, is not one of them.

It's a pretty big request to ask him to forego his total values in order to just step in line and be a party faithful. He is righteously, in many peoples eyes, leading a movement that is really trying to stand for something.

What's the hurt in embracing his movement and making it seem welcome. Frankly, those of us who are in it are perplexed why it isn't an automatic like for the Democratic Party. His positions are basically the Liberal policies that once made the Democratic Party the majority party for DECADES!!!

Running for President is always a maturing, growing experience. Let's say that Bernie, for all his principles, hasn't or doesn't grow his electorate enough. I sincerely hope that Hillary Clinton grows as a politician and a leader, particular of the DEMOCRATIC Party by including it's Left Wing and barely Left elements, along with all the Independents and Republicans who basically hold the same Populist views.

There are many here, Clinton supporters too, who don't think she can do that.

I think that she can and that she must, if she wants to win and truly lead the nation in the direction that is truly for the common good we all seek.

That is just one more way to show she is the bigger person, the better person to lead us, one and all. And that is the best and sweetest way to energize and unify the Democratic Party.

And then also we won't have to cry these:




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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #34)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:52 PM

40. With some folks they have to think whatever it is was their idea, before they can be happy with it.

Not a good sign of a person's maturity or character, though.

I dont want to believe that about Hillary.

I want to believe she is human, she is therefore susceptible to copping an attitude when annoyed and stressed, Bernie did the same thing when he said there were conditions to his support, he did NOT need to do that either.

They are tired, annoyed, both of them.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #40)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:04 PM

51. I'm Ok with her having any kind of human reaction. I'm just hoping against hope that Hillary can

 

come to represent all of those who choose to represent as Democrats, and that would include the Leftier leaning folks on money issues.

I'm not sure at all it can be done. I'm not sure it's in her nature. I'm not sure she isn't bought and sold by Wall Street. I'm willing to wait and see. But it sure would make things a lot easier if we all were truly more on the same page. Reassuring the very energized Bernie base that they have a place in this Democratic coalition would surely be a great thing.

That is what I believe Bernie wants, more than riches or fame or a place of power inside the government. That is what I believe he'll try to bring home for all the people he has admittedly inspired. I believe he feels that much is his duty. To those people, to the U.S., and to the Democratic Party which once for decades was the majority party. (this was back when they were way more Liberal than today, as I'm sure you know)

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774721.html

I would love to be behind that Hillary, even more seasoned and wiser by fully appreciating the results of this race and the true inspiration that is in at least some of Bernie's policies. I'm hoping against hope for Hillary to step into that mantle. Can you imagine her as a female FDR? I can. But it's going to take some changing to do it.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:39 PM

20. If she had said she would, you guys would criticize her for adopting his ideas.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #20)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:42 PM

24. I wouldnt, I would congratulate her for being open, politically astute, and by openly

putting the people in the front of this, not the process or herself.

I plan on voting for her in November if she is the nominee, hell if she is the nominee I plan on giving her money and campaigning for her.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #24)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:43 PM

25. Good deal. I'd vote for Sanders in a heartbeat too if he is nominee.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #20)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:45 PM

29. I think "pretending" to adopt his ideas would be the criticism.

I don't expect her to adopt any of Bernie's agenda if elected, but I would expect her to say she would. Maybe she was a little caught off guard.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #20)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:52 PM

39. She wants to be a leader. Petty excuses like that won't fly.

 

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:44 PM

26. bernie has borrowed large chunks of his agenda from his predecessors. are you concerned? nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #26)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:48 PM

31. I dont know what that has to do with this, at all. Not too many recent

politicians have advocated for what Bernie is advocating for, surely nobody famous or effective.

FDR, but he is dead.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:44 PM

27. Total mischaracterization. As per usual. Too bad... What she was talking about

was that Bernie said he would only give his support to her if she adopted some of his ideas. She said she does NOT have to incorporate his agenda, and that she is the one winning. She also says she made NO DEMANDS on Obama when she supported him.

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Response to BreakfastClub (Reply #27)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:46 PM

30. You just said exactly what I said. That she does not have to, but the truth is she should

Now, I am sorry that Bernie made demands and he did, I think that was wrong.

But, I think she could have come out on top of all this by taking the higher road.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:44 PM

28. I'm completely satisfied with her answer it couldn't have been better or more honest

hopefully she continues in that vein for the duration

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:50 PM

33. What's arrogant is the loser insisting to dictate terms to the winner.

Why should she grovel for the support of Sanders supporters who say they hate her, call her every name in the book, and insist they wouldn't vote for her no matter what?

She's winning. She should stick to her own platform.

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #33)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:00 PM

45. Cause she needs us if she is to win in the general election.

That is assuming (considering how poorly she seems to respond to stress) she can make it through a general election campaign.

Bernie has refrained from personal and negative ads. He is a gentleman in every sense of the world. And look at Hillary. She can't take the pressure.

I do not want Hillary's finger on the nuclear trigger. She is unstable and angry.

Whew! I'm a Bernie supporter, a woman, and I do not trust Hillary.

That question was a giveaway, and she was supposed to respond with a conciliatory answer. That's how candidates make the transition from the primary to the general election.

Hillary was utterly spitting in the faces of Bernie supporters with her words.

Yet again another example of Hillary showing what a bad candidate she is.

Hillary lacks common sense, good judgment and social skills. No wonder she had marital problems. (I've been married 53 years to the same and and I am a woman. I know a lot about marriage. There are times when you bite your tongue and are gracious. Apparently Hillary doesn't know how to do that.) Shame on Hillary.

Very bad answer. Offensive. She will regret what she said.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #45)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:27 PM

76. You wouldn't vote for her anyway. She should stick with her winning platform.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:51 PM

36. So condescending.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:51 PM

37. My assessment as a Bernie supporter?

She is not a nice person. She is self-centered, lacks compassion and respect for others.

And she does not handle stress well. If running against Bernie makes her so nervous that she answers angrily to such a question (which was obviously intended to give her a chance to unite the party), how in the world is she going to handle a campaign against Trump, Cruz or Kasich.

Bernie has not done personally negative campaigning. The Republicans will.

Hillary does not deal with stress well. She loses her temper when she is tired and anxious and stressed out.

This is not good.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #37)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:54 PM

41. Bull, she has been on the receiving end of so much hate and criticism and lies for decades

A normal person would have buckled and bad by now.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #41)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:01 PM

49. And she is: buckled and bad.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:51 PM

38. What if Bernie had won the primary and Hillary wanted him to adopt part of her

agenda? For example, more hawkishness, no big tax increases, no single payer, etc. How do you think Sanders would react? How do you think his supporters would feel if Bernie won the election, but then he decided to shift over to some of the hated "Third Way" policies?

I'd guess that neither Bernie nor his supporters would want any part of that. I think they would say, no we had an election, and we voted for Bernie and his agenda, not Hillary's agenda.

Now reverse Clinton and Sanders.

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Response to YouDig (Reply #38)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:56 PM

43. Exactly.

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Response to YouDig (Reply #38)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:05 PM

53. You missed the point. That question was aimed to give her an

opportunity to win some trust and affection from Bernie supporters.

She completely messed up.

She is an arrogant fool. A lot of Bernie supporters will never vote for her. That answer will be played and replayed on YouTube and will come back to haunt her.

I can think of lots of ways she could have answered that would have please both her supporters and Bernie's supporters.

It was an opportunity for her to show graciousness to Bernie Supporters. Instead, she gave us the backside of her . . . . .

Ugly!

She does not have the nature of a diplomat. Thank heavens that she is no longer in the State Department.

Wow! That was a bad answer.

That was the worst answer I can think of in a pre-election debate or town hall in many, many years, many, many elections.

It was really a bad answer.

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Response to YouDig (Reply #38)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:09 PM

56. Most Clinton voters are not voting for her because of her policies.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:55 PM

42. Only Bernie is allowed to sound frustrated or angry.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #42)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:01 PM

47. No, I revised my post...They both blew it

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #47)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:03 PM

50. That's not what most of the thread thinks.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:01 PM

48. Hillary only compromises with conservatives, not progressives. So no surprise here. nt

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Response to DirtyHippyBastard (Reply #48)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:12 PM

57. This.

 

And honestly, it is not even compromise as she is just as conservative.

DINO

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:15 PM

58. That's exactly what I would expect her to say.

And if she said anything else, I wouldn't expect her to fulfill her promises. She is not going to pay homage to any of Bernie's priorities once the nomination is secured.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:18 PM

60. She went to Trump's wedding they are friends. He donated to her.

Maybe Trump got into this to make sure he did it up good and thereby making many Republicans vote for her too to make sure this time she won. Like covering all bases. He is a good salesman.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:31 PM

81. she was cold, hard, arrogant, hostile

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:31 PM

82. If she is nominated it will be a long, hard slog to November for her I'm afraid. nt

 

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:40 PM

87. If Hillary has, in fact, wrapped this up, her tone is the only one that matters.

 

If we've nominated someone whose ego won't allow her to graciously welcome fully half of the Democratic party to her campaign, then we deserve what we get.

"No, fuck you, I got more votes losers"... I dunno if her supporters emulate the behavior of the candidate or the candidate models the behavior that her supporters demand of "a winner".

Winning isn't enough for them. They demand prostration of their vanquished foes.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:41 PM

88. I agreed with her statements to Rachel ...

... she didn't place all these conditions on Obama. Like a candidate with class, Obama likely offered her a cabinet position as a way of reaching out, but neither made that a public spectacle. That he's making all these public demands is just classless, especially given that he's losing to Hillary by way more numbers than she lost to Obama.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:45 PM

94. She explained that her agenda goes further and does more.

It's more comprehensive, detailed, and thorough.

Sorry, but it is. It is no less "progressive" than Senator Sanders' agenda. (I know that makes heads explode, but I haven't seen anything that proves otherwise.)

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:56 PM

98. Anybody that has ever run for office, from dog catcher on up, knows rule #1:

Always ask for a person's vote. Always.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:20 PM

104. Pfffftttt! Those populist ideas are for saps.

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