2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf you're not on this list and you're celebrating Hillary, you're celebrating the demise of middle
class, poor folks, elderly, veterans, the environment, and students. The "people" on the list have given large sums of money to Hillary Clinton for her campaign. Is there anyone who can possibly be taken serious that thinks these "people" aren't expecting something, or have already been promised something in return?
Why are there so many laws in Congress banning them from gifts, food, and trips? If no one thought these things were corrupting, why aren't they allowed for members of Congress? The fact is these gifts are corrupting, they are offered as a quid pro quo and everyone knows it.
If Hillary really wanted to be transparent she would show us what she promised these "people" by releasing the transcripts. She won't do that, because she knows it would spell the end of her campaign.
Edit to include link to donor list:
https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Career
randome
(34,845 posts)Take all that together and you come away with pretty clear evidence that over the course of the Democratic primary young voters have become more attached to progressive politics and the Democratic party. One read of this is that the primary process itself - as divisive as it has sometimes seemed - has deepened young voters' identification with the Democratic party.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]
Squinch
(51,075 posts)quos?
Hekate
(90,978 posts)... RW buckets of slime to spread around on Democrats.
MADem
(135,425 posts)So yeah, whatever.
I'm a middle class veteran getting on in years, so 'whatever' on that, too.
Seeinghope
(786 posts)He said on the debate that he would release that tax return the next day and that she should release the transcript from her Goldman Sachs transcript. He followed them then she side-stepped and said that the Republicans had to release .....whatever. WHAT is in those transcripts that she is so scared about???????
MADem
(135,425 posts)Of course, it might not matter after tonight.
Seeinghope
(786 posts)Suffer because of some really horrible decisions made. Thanks for for the contribution to propping up Wall Street, the corporations, incremental change on climate change, increased military actions and plenty of gridlock and scandals tying up this country from moving forward. It is on every single one of you who voted for Hillary Clinton, I guarantee it.......that is if she makes it to the White House and not to court for the e-mail issues.
MADem
(135,425 posts)She's ready on Day 1. She will be a wonderful POTUS, and such a great example to young girls coming up.
Anything is possible--they won't have to be afraid to dream!
CBS just called MD for HRC! One down.....!
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Or private prisons?
You 'support' her so you should know....
MADem
(135,425 posts)You do realize that Presidents don't "make law?"
I don't think you do.
There's this thing called Congress, you see....
Metric System
(6,048 posts)voters IS the Democratic party base.
Seeinghope
(786 posts)They believe in the 1992 Clintons. Then there is the combination of women voting for her because she has received an extraordinary amount of publicity, an enormous amount of advantage with the DNC, because she is a woman, because she is a longtime Democrat and Bernie Sanders just became a Democrat and there might be some prejudice due to Bernie Sanders being Jewish. There are more things which I won't go into but it isn't just one thing there are a combination of things going on here.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)Seeinghope
(786 posts)Obviously, because nothing else that I mentioned mattered to you. LOL!!!!
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)How much did that earn you?
Seriously, read, and post Bernie's entire quote--an entirely different meaning.
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)Is that like the new epithet of the moment? You're like the 50th person to accuse me of being a paid shill. Whatevs.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Wow! 600 posts in 40 days. I rest my case....
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)... in fact, if you click the banner, it will take you to a page on Snopes.com that analyzes the quote and its context.
I don't owe or anyone else a thing, much less an apology.
panader0
(25,816 posts)By the word or by the post?
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)You make me laugh. Not only did I not get paid by the word or the post, I didn't get paid for the time I spent in Photoshop making my lovely sig file. I did finally learn how to make an animated gif from within the application though.
On some level, it makes me happy that you think I'm paid to post because the idea of that has got to bern you that much more.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)600/40 is only 15 posts a day. That's hardly record setting, particularly in the heat of a primary. My twelve year average is over 8 posts a day, and that includes some breaks.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Look how many posts you've thrown up in the last 90 days:
Statistics and Information
Account status: Active
Member since: Sun Sep 11, 2005, 06:53 PM
Number of posts: 13,981
Number of posts, last 90 days: 876
Favorite forum: General Discussion: Primaries, 591 posts in the last 90 days (67% of total posts)
Favorite group: Bernie Sanders, 55 posts in the last 90 days (6% of total posts)
Last post: Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:15 PM
You're basically accusing this person of being a paid disruptor. That's a pretty rude and uncivil thing to do. You probably should produce evidence of your claim or apologize.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)as opposed to nolawarlock who has 6 items or one for each week of DU residency, a residency comprised of smears and insults and devoid of any positive issue base advocacy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=331871&sub=trans
Rude is rude. nolawarlock is rude and nothing but.
Your transparency page is just as long but not quite as nasty and also, you have been here for ages and actually engage to some degree.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=152137&sub=trans
MADem
(135,425 posts)you'd see that. I don't think nolawarlock is rude at all. If "rude" means "Doesn't support the candidate you prefer" you might have a point, but it doesn't mean that.
People swarming a newcomer and making PAID TROLL/Brock Brigade accusations, over and over again? That's some sick shit. THAT could be accurately described as "rude." Aside from the fact that it's a matter for juries or MIRT or the admins, not the "Kill the Pig" Lord of the Flies swarming of posters here on DU, it's an uncivil thing to do--but since "majority rules" here (and hopefully won't for much longer) no one will get called for those kinds of repeated insults.
As for my transparency page, I wear that focker PROUDLY. It is quite obvious from perusing my "HIDES" that they are entirely partisan in nature, owing to who I support, not what I said. If a Bernie supporter said the equivalent, it would be High Fives and Off to the Greatest Page.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)which was brought to DU recently, I believe
that primaries as well as elections are fake.
It gives the ordinary citizen the idea that s/he
have a voice; but actually the party apparatus
determines the winner.
I'll vote, but don't think anymore that it matters.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)drama queen
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)I can relate, I might have looked the other way at some flaws when Obama was running because I wanted to live to see a black man in the white house, much more than I did a woman (which I also want).
This time around, however, with so many negatives, it's clear to me that a lot of the support Hillary get is about her sex, and the desire to see a woman POTUS.
LexVegas
(6,121 posts)TowneshipRebellion
(92 posts)She will probably be elected as the most unpopular candidate in recent history and will probably responsible for another sick war. I believed in Obama but he stabbed us all in the back with his trade agreements, warmongering and corporate welfare. There is no pretense of change with HRC. She is running as a moderate corporatist who does things behind closed doors she is afraid to discuss in the open. We will not accept more of this. The people want food, housing, shelter, jobs and a real democracy. If the elites will not relinquish their control then we will just take it.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)That's nice. Now go play while the grownups talk..
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)She's not? Well what the fuck is she then?
MADem
(135,425 posts)when.
Gman
(24,780 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)As is the tendency on this forum, you are proclaiming what we are celebrating which is incredibly arrogant and absurd.
We are celebrating the overwhelming victory of the woman we strongly support as president. It is a wonderful night for Hillary Clinton and we are thrilled and grateful for it.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)bjo59
(1,166 posts)In a usual election, they could then pretend that they had no choice or that they had no idea what was in store for them. Unfortunately, Bernie's candidacy prevents those reactions. Every single person who voted for Hillary Clinton will have done it in full knowledge of what they were doing and in full knowledge that they had a choice.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Which is kinda important for most of those groups. Although I am not sure why "students" is a group. Unless you are Fred Cassidy that's not really a permanent status. Even I only spent seven years in post secondary education.
Whatta waste of time and money.
ContinentalOp
(5,356 posts)I'm proud that those companies employ enough well paid liberals that they show up on the top 20 list of donors. I sure wish there was a quid pro quo, but having a democrat nominate the next two or three supreme court justices is enough for me.
onecaliberal
(32,976 posts)Cannot afford, I don't care if you don't like it, that's your problem. Greed isn't a virtue in my book.
ContinentalOp
(5,356 posts)They're not buying any influence and operating out of greed. You have a problem with the University of California?
onecaliberal
(32,976 posts)decide anything? They're not even allowed a voice in this primary for the most part, and I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but they vote in the general, and they sure as shit won't vote for Hillary. And yes, I have a problem with the university of California, if you knew anything about it, you probably would too.
Edit to add: These people are NOT donating out of the kindness of their hearts, they ARE donating so their corporation can peddle influence. In a lot of cases, their jobs depend on it. #Blkd
ContinentalOp
(5,356 posts)Where did I say anything about independents? What's your problem with the UC system? The number there represents individual donations from employees, many of whom are professors and academics. I'm happy that those are some of the people funding our candidate and not defense contractors or oil companies.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Yours was the longest bumper sticker I've ever read.