2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAssuming she wins the nom, who would be in her cabinet?
Huma, obviously, as chief of staff.
Sidney Blumenthal, either as SecState, head of the NSC, or head of the CIA/NSA?
Victoria Nuland as UN ambassador
John Bolton as special advisor on the Middle East
David Koch in charge of reforming Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid
Jamie Dimon as SecTreas
Rahm Emanuel as health and human services
Don Blankenship as head of the EPA
Who else?
LexVegas
(6,059 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)If you can't see that, go to your room and play there.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)No you're not.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)How sweet.
Take a closer look at my list. Name one person she would not name.
Huma? Sidney? Jamie? Maybe not Bolton, but not because of any policy disagreements. There are none. Age, perhaps.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)We can hug it out afterwards.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)I want nothing to do with her or her fans.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Beowulf
(761 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Did you se what Salon posted today?
This is the kind of hard-edged rhetoric about the world Clinton uses, as the Times describes it. The report notes that Clinton has long channeled [the] views of her father, a staunch Republican and an anticommunist.
The article barely acknowledges Clintons leadership in the disastrous 2011 NATO war in Libya, mentioning the country just once. Yet, in February, the New York Times Magazine already devoted roughly 13,000 words to covering Hillarys uniquely hands-on role in the catastrophic regime change operation.
The almost 7,000-word story also mentions Bernie Sanders only one time, and reduces his campaign to a progressive insurgency.
There is no question that Clinton is more hawkish than her opponent. The Vermont senator is not a peacenik, having backed the devastating U.S. war in Afghanistan, and the NATO bombing of Serbia before that. Yet Sanders has injected rare anti-war ideas into the mainstream Democratic debate.
And this is who you want ruining our country?
Read the whole article here:
http://www.salon.com/2016/04/27/democrats_this_is_why_you_need_to_fear_hillary_clinton_the_ny_times_is_absolutely_right_shes_a_bigger_hawk_than_the_republicanse/
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)You should take a peek. It's really impressive! Did you notice that Bernie has fewer votes than even Donald? That's a big wow!
Salon editorial? GMAFB! What's next: HA Goodman?
Face it ... It's over for Bernie. Nothing you post will change that.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Do facts and history matter to you?
Are you so blindly in favor of her that you refuse to even hear evidence and facts which tend to tarnish her aura?
My gosh, we are talking about a potential for starting WWIII with her holding the nuclear codes (hopefully on a secure server, rather than a FOIA avoiding private, unsecured server in a closet). Doesn't that have any impact on you?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Did you have a chance to look at the vote counts?
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)An honest inquiry, given your preference of changing the subject and constantly harping on vote totals.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)But I can certainly understand why Hillary's vote totals (and DELEGATE totals) are a distressing subject for you.
I think someone should let you know that your doom and gloom, dire consequences, WWIII, Civil War II, Locusts, Plague, Earthquakes and Tidal Wave posts won't make a bit of difference.
From this point forward, no matter what you say, the FACT remains that BERNIE WILL NOT BE THE NOMINEE.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Do you even care what sort of person she is and what kind of judgment she has displayed in the past?
Or are you on a mission here?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)She's the sort of person who has more votes and more delegates that Bernie.
What's your mission? It can't be that you want to "help" Bernie win ... that ship has sailed.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)With your pets. I am sure that they are far more amused than we.
You are here just to create trouble. WHY? What drives you to do so?
Svafa
(594 posts)Beowulf
(761 posts)or funny either.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)betsuni
(25,472 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Hang in there.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)But it's tough to realise that the message that resonates so strongly with you doesn't resonate with the majority of voters. I've been there. Not this cycle, though. This cycle I am hand-in-hand with the beautiful diversity of the Democratic base.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and anti trans laws, the West is moving forward. I count the Hillary wins as the return of the Reagan Democrats, conservatism and traditional WASPiness is back in fashion.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)and I suspect Hillary will win California and put that theory to rest.
I also don't think it's open/closed primaries as so many Bernie supporters allege.
I think it's a simple case of diverse/homogenous, all other things being relatively equal, and in that the Democratic party has absolutely no chance without its diverse base, I feel very much on the right side of history here.
Interesting analysis:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1810518
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)away any chance to create a big tent?
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I think Bernie is missing unity opportunities.
Look, whatever you think of Hillary, you can't deny that after she lost in 2008 she put on her big girl pants and went out there and endorsed Obama without ANY reservations. She stumped for him like her hair was on fire. That is CLASS. That is party loyalty, and unity. She urged her supporters in the strongest terms to vote for Obama. She worked her ass off getting him elected.
And I believe without doubt she would have done the exact same thing for Bernie, should he have won the nomination. So when Bernie comes out with "Hillary will have to win my supporters over on her own", I'm not impressed with his commitment to unity and defeating Republicans as the ULTIMATE GOAL.
Hillary is not excluding anyone. People are disqualifying themselves because they don't like her or her policies. That's everyone's right. But she has a love and kindness theme to her campaign and has said several times now that Bernie and his supporters have more in common with Hillary and her supporters than what divides them.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)She is just plain wrong on many issues. She has too many ties to Wall. Her push for a putsch in Syria and Libya has created a mess that will take decades to fix. Libya - it was a stable country, that thought it had agreements with the west. And now look at the mess she created there.
And what of her vaunted experience? Putting Nuland in charge and creating messes in Ukraine and NATO?
We are supposed to unite a fatally flawed candidate who is more often right than wrong? Why?
Beowulf
(761 posts)I'd rather have a morally right country than a great one.
Broward
(1,976 posts)They saw eye to eye on the Iraq War.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)mcar
(42,306 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)That old war criminal is never going to die.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)i guess we are all in the anger stage, in the stages of grief. at least we are getting past denial.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)and running on the #1 issue that is dear to Bernie's heart ... just sayin'
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)n/t
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)to New Zealand? And she still managed to screw it up by horribly insulting the locals?
I suspect that putting her in a White House office or as the head of a Department would be a step too far, even for the likes of Hillary. Now that she has served her purpose of fucking with anyone who dared oppose the queen, I suspect that she will be discarded like everyone else who did their thing and now wants her quid pro quo. Much like that newly worried dude over at Dkos.
American Samoa - THAT is where they hid Moseley Braun after her NZ fuck up.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)MineralMan
(146,287 posts)worried about that. We have a November election to win. She has said that her cabinet will look like the nation, and that at least half of the cabinet appointees will be women. You can expect POC to be represented, along with other minority groups, too.
I suspect that most of those on your list will be not among them. Maybe Huma Abedin. She'd be a good Chief of Staff, I'm sure. She's smart, effective, and knows Hillary's thinking on most topics.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)that did NOT come from Chase or some other major bank?
nemo137
(3,297 posts)I'm like 90% sure that even Bernie would end up appointing someone with some kind of Wall Street experience, although he'd find someone who'd left for a University or liberal think-tank. That cabinet seat is basically a liaison role.
MineralMan
(146,287 posts)I'm really not involved in politics at that level of complexity. I'm sure that she will appoint someone with long experience in financial matters. I can't imagine any other course. Anyone who is qualified for that position will come from a financial background. I'm less interested in that than in the ideas of her appointee. I'll wait and see.
We aren't voting for cabinet officials. We're voting for someone who will appoint people to those positions.
Between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, I'll gladly prefer Clinton to make those appointments.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)That was her promise when Maddow asked her Monday what her cabinet would look like. Her cabinet WILL be 50% women.
http://theslot.jezebel.com/hillary-clinton-promises-that-half-of-her-cabinet-will-1773099821
MineralMan
(146,287 posts)candidates for every position who are women. Our government should absolutely reflect the population, in my opinion.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)so she would fit the bill.
Sarah Palin and Hillary agreed on Iraq and the surge.
Carly Fiorina in charge of the FED?
Jan Brewer in charge of the VA?
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)It will be nice to see an openly LGBT cabinet member. And an atheist.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)qdouble
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Scuba
(53,475 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Cabinet Members.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)The HRC supporters are in complete and total denial that she is nothing more than a wholly owned subsidiary of Goldman Sachs. She will do NOTHING that upsets her corporate ownership. I don't think these greedy fuckers (WS) care about social issues (thankfully), but on economic issues, the 1% will do just great, while the rest of us get the shaft for 4-8 years while Hillary and Bill funnel hundreds of millions into their slush fund and jet-set around the world on AF1 on the taxpayers dime.
Single payer? $15 min wage? Peace as a foreign policy and decreasing defense budgets? Meaningful action on climate change? Wall Street reform? Tax increases on the super-rich?
If any of these issues are taken up by Hillary and are actually a priority for her administration I'll lead her 2020 fundraising team. Something tells me that ain't gonna happen...
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I don't want to get in trouble, just trying to be as cynical as the O/P is.