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[Sky Masterson]

1. Cool!

If I wasn't dirt poor I'd send him 27$

[Kittycat]

6. Some of us did a money bomb last night.

We got you. Paying it forward for our friends who haven't voted yet. They matter to us. Even if Clinton supporters like the one above don't think their votes or our platforms matter.

[MFM008]

12. why not send it to a no kill shelter

or greater good or something that will help someone or something else than politicians raising money.

I do.

[Sky Masterson]

27. If I wasn't dirt poor

I would do both.

[RufusTFirefly]

115. Sorry. You know the rules: one dollar, one vote.

[Red Mountain]

34. Cause it's not over at the convention.....

We'll continue to advocate for our positions.

By all means....send your money to a no kill shelter. Great cause.

We're still going to be trying even if Bernie loses to advance our causes.

It's the new Democratic normal.

Get used to it.

[frylock]

117. Why don't you mind your own damn business?

[yourpaljoey]

2. And we are still contributing

[CentralCoaster]

3. Another $33 coming his way, right now, thank you Gomez163 or whatever.

You ask about fraud?

That's rich!

[Gomez163]

5. There's one born every minute

[CentralCoaster]

11. Yes. The US has, literally, millions of them.

They fall for lines of bullshit.

Not pretty.

[Yurovsky]

29. Not all of us support candidates who can squeeze Wall Street for a quick million...

whenever we need it.

The thing you people don't seem to understand is that Hillary will no longer be of use to Wall Street once it's her vs Trump. They win either way. I don't think they'll feel the need to give either candidate any money, which is bad news for Her Majesty. Trump may be a racist prick, but he can buy and sell Hillary all day long. He's got more in his sofa cushions than she has in her slush fund.

[CentralCoaster]

39. I just donated $33 to the DU ActBlue site for Bernie.

I'm on your side here. I was referring to millions who voted for the inevitable one.

I agree, the banks win either way and they knew this going into it.

Frankly, I think Hillary would be considerably friendlier to the banks compared to Trump.

She still has to get Chelsea elected. Clinton ambition knows no limits.

[underthematrix]

76. Why isn't TRUMP paying for his secret service protection? His NAZI HATE speech means

we taxpayers have to spend more protecting him.

[2banon]

57. You're hilarious. He's laying staff back east, cuz he's headed west and hiring new staff here.

in California all the way to the convention. yes.

Your outrage about "fraud" is woefully misplaced.

if you're really concerned about fraud.. you need to look at your own candidate.

[Corporate666]

109. They are probably happy to be laid off, after all he talks about $15/hr but pays them less

hypocrisy abounds.

[Cal33]

105. Bernie is staying in until the last Primary, and he will be having expenses. What's

wrong with accepting donations until then? I think he will be getting less donations
from now on, anyway.

[democrattotheend]

45. Why $33?

What is the significance of that number?

[CentralCoaster]

48. Not sure, the first time asked for $27 and I felt like bumping it up a little.

And ever since I've stuck with that number. On primary days and days after a primary, I hit the $33!

[highprincipleswork]

4. He is still competing. He is not pulling out of every state. In fact, maybe only ones already voted.

[annavictorious]

7. Does anybody know what happens

to funds that were not spent? If Sanders loses the nomination and still has money, can he roll it over to other candidates?

[JohnnyRingo]

129. I think he's fundraising to pay bills.

I imagine he has outstanding payroll costs and merchandise bills. He has staffers leaving who he probably owes severance to. Taking a last grab at cash just before the podium comes down is a typical move.

I'm no lawyer, but I think leftover money can go to future campaigns or rolled into other races. I wonder if Bernie will turn over any surplus to the DNC to help other Democrats? My guess is he'll spend it on a hand painted Fairy Sheppard yard sign and a truck full of campaign pool noodles first.

[berni_mccoy]

8. Why don't you stick a cork in it?

[CentralCoaster]

9. PS: Link to the Act Blue DU Bernie fundraising site is RIGHT HERE:

https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/duforbernie

[AzDar]

77. Thank you! Gonna donate again to help him kick Corporate Ass in California!

[DFab420]

10. Thanks for reminding me to donate!

[TBF]

15. High five!

On to California. 287 delegates separate the 2 candidates. Over 1200 still outstanding.

[TBF]

13. If we're going to talk about fraud we have

a lot of primaries to discuss before we get anywhere near Bernie. Shall we start with the weighed coins in Iowa? Or the bullhorn in Massachusetts? Entire buildings purged from the voter rolls in NYC? Do you need me to continue because there is quite a list ...

[Gomez163]

14. How about he has been mathematically eliminated???

[TBF]

18. For the mathematically challenged -

287 delegates separate the 2 candidates and there are over 1200 delegates outstanding. Explain to me again how 287 is greater than 1200. Is this the "new math"?

[Gomez163]

21. She has 2164 delegates. I dont buy into the Bernie fantasy of not counting

the superdelegates. He has no chance of catching up with the proportional allocation of delegates.

[TBF]

22. Superdelegates are not bound -

it's been decided at convention before. Read your history youngster. Here, I'll even help you. From Hillary's own favorite NYTimes: http://campaigningforhistory.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/14/fdrs-rough-road-to-nomination/?_r=0 (How FDR gets the nomination - see any parallels?)

[Gomez163]

26. They also arent changing from Hillary to your loser. Its over.

[peggysue2]

70. O.M.G.

You're still going with the fantasy of super delegates switching? The candidate with the lead in both popular vote (3 million) and delegate count will suddenly, magically be tossed aside for Sanders, the part-time Democrat, the hitchhiker demanding the keys to the car because . . .???

And btw, Bernie Sanders is no FDR.

I think Senator Sanders is far more reasonable than his supporters or primo campaign manager, Jeff Weaver. I could be wrong but I suspect Bernie Sanders, the man, knows absolutely that there is no path to the nomination without a cloud of fairy dust to get him there. He wants to fight for a progressive platform? Fine but he needs to get real with his base. And his base? They need to deal with reality:

Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee for POTUS 2016. She will be the first female President of the United States, a life- long liberal who has survived the slings and arrows of lesser men--much lesser men--a woman of the moment, the 21st century, someone who will make us proud and make history in a field of noise and nonsense and Republican craziness.

Time to deal with it.

Hillary Clinton? She's Rising.

[Gomez163]

74. I am blue in the face

[Bjornsdotter]

51. Apparently the NYT has the same fantasy

....because they list only pledged delegates.

Oh yeah....and I donated to Bernie yesterday.

[deathrind]

139. Delegates and...

Super-delegates are not required for the message or ideas...only voters.

[Lucinda]

30. Weighted coins?

[MgtPA]

16. Bernie is going to the convention.

Deal with it.

[Gomez163]

145. Where he won't be allowed to give a speech unless he endorses Hillary

[jfern]

17. Hillary pretending she gives a shit about liberals is the fraud

[CorkySt.Clair]

19. There's a sucker born every day.

[riderinthestorm]

20. Yay!!! Gotta keep Bernie's message out there til the convention

Best "fraud" I've ever spent $$ on!

[Gomez163]

24. What's the message? That you cant count??

[riderinthestorm]

38. Hammering the dire state of our planet and the need for drastic action now!

(Unlike Hillary whose tepid proposals doom us).

And his message about the oligarchs stripping away our middle class.

I love that he's got a real plan to begin reducing mass incarceration, help with monstrous student loan debt, help everyone get the health care they deserve, and help us educate our children.

Yeah, those messages. All the way to the convention

[Qutzupalotl]

54. Slowing down high-frequency traders that distort the market.

I don't see Hillary adopting that one anytime soon.

If we can use that revenue to return to tuition-free public colleges and universities, so much the better.

[qdouble]

94. ...

[frylock]

118. You don't follow the issues very closely, Brockboy.

[Armstead]

23. I see it as a version of Western Union

Paying to send a message

[bigwillq]

25. If folks still want to give, that's their choice

I don't see anything wrong with it.

[Gomez163]

28. Its wrong to still be asking for money when you have no chance to win.

[Red Mountain]

44. Depends on what you're going to spend it on....

and in this case it's US. All of us.

You're witnessing the beginning of a larger movement that will push the Democratic party back where it belongs.

[Gomez163]

46. Where is that? In the loss column???

[DebDoo]

95. You're awful upset for someone who's convinced he's won

[bigwillq]

49. Well, then call the police.

And the nominee has yet to be confirmed, so there's still technically a chance for Mr. Sanders to win the nomination.

[JonLeibowitz]

56. Forgive me if I don't take morality lessons from the supporters of a

Morally compromised candidate.

[nenagh]

66. Well said..

My thoughts exactly.

[pacalo]

31. Fight on, Bernie!

Excellent news.

[RandySF]

32. And the Gravy Train keep on rolling

[RazBerryBeret]

33. still donating!

and "fraud" ? that's a 'lil strong-- don't you think?

[Vinca]

35. I'm happy to give money to get our message out.

You insult Bernie supporters by insinuating we can't read, don't understand the numbers and are somehow easy marks for a fraudster. Bernie is the first candidate in my long lifetime to say what I wanted said and it's worth every cent.

[JaneyVee]

36. Tad Devine needs more $$$

[frylock]

119. DDS

[JohnnyRingo]

132. Severance pay

Bernie has a lot of staffers leaving. I imagine he owes some back payroll.

Who wouldn't want to donate to that?

[OilemFirchen]

37. In related news...

Amway pulled in a cool $9.5 billion last year.

[noretreatnosurrender]

40. Donated

$50 this morning.

[2banon]

41. ROFL!

[democrattotheend]

42. He is probably fundraising so he can keep more staff on

Not sure why you see an inconsistency.

[bkkyosemite]

43. Fraud? You were listening to Morning Joe this morning weren't you. It's not FRAUD HE IS RUNNING

FOR PRESIDENT. I am so sick of you Hillary supporters trying to find anything you can to degrade Bernie Sanders. He is old, he is done stick a fork in him, he is a little man, he is a liar (yet he hasn't lied like you know who) he is attacking Hillary (she attacked first) he is yada yada yada...Just stop it. He is in this to the convention and he needs money for advertising for the rest of the campaign to CA. Enough! YES HE IS FUNDRAISING AND SHOULD HAVE ASKED FOR $27.00 NOT $2.70!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if you can do it so can I.

[sadoldgirl]

47. Thank you so much for the reminder!

I really appreciate it.

Another $30 go to him right now.

Thanks again!

[Gothmog]

50. There has been no announcements of fundraising totals

Usually following a loss, the Sanders campaign announces their fundraising totals. It appears that the small donors now know that Sanders will not be the nominee and so these donations are drying up

[bkkyosemite]

55. You have a crystal ball?

[Gothmog]

116. Has there been any announcements since the significant loss in New York?

Small donors will not sink money down a lost cause and there is no way for Sanders to be the nominee

[Dem2]

52. Calm down

Sheesh

[RufusTFirefly]

53. Better than a tickler file. Thanks for the reminder!

I just gave Bernie another 10 bucks.
(I used the DU ActBlue link: https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/duforbernie)

I wish I could afford more, but I haven't yet been able to land a gig speaking to Goldman Sachs...
... even though I've got a lot to say.

[bkkyosemite]

58. How bout I call the CEO and give you a rec for a speech...

[RufusTFirefly]

61. Only if you have a suit and tie I can borrow, too.

Even if I made it on the list, I'm not sure they'd let me in.

[nichomachus]

147. You can probably get one cheap at

Pant Suits 'R' Us.

[northernsouthern]

59. Wow bitter post.

You are happy with a corrupt person like HRC laundering her victory funds and using tax payer money on closed elections but god forbid we support our candidate. I take it you want to divide our party further and lose to the republicans?

[dflprincess]

134. Probably thinks the money rightfully belongs to Hillary

not unlike the belief that it's her divine right to be the nominee and that Bernie and his peasant like minions had no right to challenge that.

[northernsouthern]

137. Lol!

Yes< I will make a post on that I think.

[doc03]

60. Be nice if he would share some of that money to get some Democratic

Congressmen or Senators elected. But he got to feed his ego.

[lanlady]

84. My thoughts exactly

He wants to implement a radical progressive agenda, fine, but how's he going to do that with the Congress we have now? The paradox of the entire Sanders campaign is that he has done practically nothing on behalf of down-ticket Democratic candidates. Maybe he thinks his wagging finger is a magic wand that will turn the majority Republicans in Congress into an assembly of Students for a Democratic Society.

I've never met a Bernie supporter who had a cogent answer to this.

[riderinthestorm]

85. We're raising $$ for 190+ Bernie candidates directly. No DNC middleman

Fuck that shit.

http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?4694-Bernie-s-Coat-Tails-Important-List-of-Bernie-Democrats-Running-for-Office

We're giving directly. Millions of bucks to candidates like to Tim Canova working to unseat DNC Debbie Wasserman-Schultz



Turns out Hillary's colluding with the DNC. Those funds she's ostensibly raising? Virtually all of its going to Hillary, laundered thru the DNC.

So we're bypassing them.

Giving directly to Bernie Dems

[doc03]

93. Don't see anything about any money being given to anyone, just a

list.

[riderinthestorm]

99. I'm not going to post every link for every candidate but its widely reported

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/house-races/275063-wasserman-schultz-primary-challenger-posts-strong-fundraising



These are Berniecrats. This is me and my $30 going to Tim to revolutionize the system.

[bkkyosemite]

62. Damnit that is not what his email says. I just read mine:::::

"Coming out of last night's results, in which we won Rhode Island but came up short in four others, I want to pose to you three things that I know to be true:

Young people – the future of our country – continue to vote for our campaign in overwhelming numbers. It's remarkable, and honestly quite humbling.

When we compete in open primaries that encourage the participation of independents, new voters, and young people, we do very well.

What remains in front of us is a very narrow path to the nomination. In the weeks to come we will be competing in a series of states that are very favorable to us – including California. Just like after March 15 – when we won 8 of the next 9 contests – we are building tremendous momentum going into the convention.
That is the reality of where we are right now, and why we are going to fight for every delegate and every vote. It is why I am going to continue to speak to voters in every state about the very important issues facing our country. Our country cannot afford to stop fighting for a $15 minimum wage, to overturn Citizens United, or to get universal health care for every man, woman, and child in America.

I'm asking you to help me continue to lead these fights. We have an FEC deadline on Saturday and another primary on Tuesday. Every vote we earn and every delegate we win is a testament to our ideas, to our movement, to our political revolution, and our willingness to take this campaign for the Democratic nomination all the way to the convention.

Will you contribute to help us continue to speak to voters about the incredibly important issues facing our country? Your support right now before two big deadlines will send an unmistakable message that our voices will still be heard."

Here he lists amounts you can choose!

"There is no doubt in my mind that what you and I have done together up to this point is nothing short of historic. And I know that if we are going to work together, we will continue making history.

In solidarity,

Bernie Sanders"

NO MENTION OF $2.70

[Gomez163]

64. Got it at 3:25 PM ET

[Gomez163]

63. I have a suggestion. Give that money instead to a charity that will help the poor.

Anyone but to a politician who is DOOMED.

[sadoldgirl]

65. DOOM and GLOOM! How very silly your OP is!

Keep that for the GE.

[frylock]

120. I have a suggestion as well, but you're not worth the hide, Brockboy.

[RufusTFirefly]

67. Interesting how obsessed Clinton supporters still are with the Sanders campaign

Strange behavior from people who claim that "it's over."

Perhaps they want to avoid some embarrassing losses in the 14 primaries that remain.

Can't say I blame them.

Too bad.

[oldandhappy]

68. He is still a candidate, still running.

The primary in CA is in June. Take a deep breath!!

[cherokeeprogressive]

69. Somehow I don't think this thread is working out the way you thought it would.

And I'm sure Bernie Sanders thanks you for my latest $27.

[Gomez163]

72. Blank and his blank are soon blank

[workinclasszero]

71. Tad needs more walkin around money

Strangely enough a few are still throwing their dollar bills at him.

[Gomez163]

73. I'm in the wrong profession

[workinclasszero]

79. Yes i need people to throw money at me when I fail big

I'd be a rich man by now!

[frylock]

121. DDS

[carburyme]

75. I don't believe for a sec

These Bernie im-posters in these thread are really kicking those dollars as they speak. Who y'all trying to fool? Not me!

Y'all know you can put your money to good use. Help a homeless person today!

[Gomez163]

78. Honestly. Help out someone who needs it.

[frylock]

122. Y'all know you can mind your own fucking business.

[bkkyosemite]

135. Really want to see my two reciepts for today?

[notadmblnd]

80. Why don't you worry about your own cheese and let me worry about mine?

As if a HRC supporter could show genuine concern for another human being and their financial situation.

[Waiting For Everyman]

81. HOW IS THIS YOUR CONCERN?

Ask Cruz and Kasich about their chances and fundraising.

[RufusTFirefly]

82. Reccing this for its wonderful unintended consequences

Please join me by contributing to Bernie and by reccing as a sign that you did.

https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/duforbernie

[Gomez163]

86. That isn't exactly wonderful. Just a fleecing

[RufusTFirefly]

87. Twelve more primaries still to come

Not all Americans have spoken yet.
And I have a hunch you may not like what they have to say.

[Gomez163]

92. It's so over the fat lady is back home.

[RufusTFirefly]

98. Why are you so intent on silencing American voters?

People from

Indiana
West Virginia
Kentucky
Oregon
Virgin Islands
Puerto Rico
California
Montana
New Jersey
North Dakota
South Dakota and the
District of Columbia

... haven't voted yet. Why do you want to deprive them of their right?

I'll bet that California primary terrifies you.

Best of luck!

[Gomez163]

104. You could win them all and you still can't catch Hillary

[bkkyosemite]

136. But the Birdie has sung yet

[vintx]

83. LOL you're not too familiar with politics, are ya?

[mythology]

88. It's not fraud

He's still running even if he is unlikely to win. His supporters can opt to donate or not as they see fit.

Calling it fraud is silly.

[thebeautifulstruggle]

89. "Fraud" is taking big money donations

and pretending like there are no strings attached

[TowneshipRebellion]

90. Welp, there is another 27 dollars...

...donated to the Sanders campaign. Look what you made me do...

[RufusTFirefly]

91. KICK IN A BUCK. AND A REC. FOR BERNIE!

Please join me by contributing to Bernie and by reccing as a sign that you did.

https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/duforbernie

[Luminous Animal]

96. Yep And I donated today.

[qdouble]

97. Sanders is just a crooked preacher at this point

swindling money out of his supporters when he has no chance or winning with the promise of salvation.

Creflo Sanders.

[workinclasszero]

124. Its the american way I'm sad to say.

Preacher needs a new limo and a private jet....for Jesus of course.

Pony up those dollars Bernie faithful!

[bkkyosemite]

138. Gawd! Every step of the way you (I'll use you guys' wording) act so "privileged" and put down

Bernie and his supporter. We ain't in this for a fling we are in this for the long term.

[qdouble]

144. You're free to waste your money on a losing campaign

just as we're free to shake our heads at you guys being used by snake oil salesman.

[Bonobo]

100. THAT MONEY BELONGS TO HILLARY!!!!! nt

[Gomez163]

101. Good idea

[RufusTFirefly]

102. YES HE IS! AND GUESS WHAT? WE'RE STILL CONTRIBUTING!

Please join me by contributing to Bernie and by reccing as a sign that you did.

https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/duforbernie

[warrprayer]

103. worry much?

[dubyadiprecession]

106. Doesn't this belong under the bernie group instead of under the general discussions forum?...

or have they all banned each other for not being True bernieners.

[Gomez163]

108. I got blocked the first week

[frylock]

128. I can't imagine why.

You seem nice.

[Gomez163]

131. I know. It's a real mystery.

[bkkyosemite]

140. ...

[FlatBaroque]

107. If only Her could give a month of speeches at Goldman Nutsacks. /

[JohnnyRingo]

110. Bernie supporters should step up with the maximum donation!

Forget those quarters they find down in the couch, Bernie needs millions to continue to the convention. If his people believe he really is still in the running, they should put their money where their mouths are and top off their donations to the $2500 limit.

Sell their car, mortgage the house, get a second job, but do whatever they have to do to get that cash in Sanders' war chest. If they truly believe he's "going all the way", and they believe this is a the end of America as we know it, it'll be worth it.

Did they really think they could fund a revolution on pocket change? Personally, I think they know Sanders never had a chance and "donated" by buying a couple bumper stickers. More trend followers than activists.

[bkkyosemite]

142. Because we are the real people who give every bit we can...we are not the corp elite who we are

fighting against.

[quaker bill]

111. Thanks for the ad

will send more $ right away.

[Squinch]

112. A fool and his money...

[nadinbrzezinski]

113. Like every campaign has done since the dawn of time

To be specific, like the HRC campaign did in 2008

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cid=N00000019

At times I wonder if people here really understand this.

[frylock]

126. Not only did she fundraise to the end, she begged Obama to forgive her campaign debt.

You want to talk about fraudsters.

[nadinbrzezinski]

130. Well these things called facts

are pesky and all

[LWolf]

123. And I happily sent him some more today. nt

[morningfog]

125. Aw, more winners' butt hurt? Lol.

[Kelvin Mace]

127. At what point do you folks stop your shameless BS?

[bkkyosemite]

143. Oh it's not BS it's BS!

[bjo59]

133. What do you care? Does what Bernie Sanders does or doesn't do have anything to do with you?

[Little_Wing]

141. Thanks Gomez!

Almost forgot... caaCHING... MORE MONEY FOR BERNIE.

See how that works? Carry on.

[nichomachus]

146. It becomes fraud

When the candidate collects hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars from Wall Street and still hoovers money out of the pockets of working-class suckers who are too dim to see that they're being scammed.

[mikehiggins]

148. At what point does this become your concern?

If you think asking people to donate money to a campaign is fraud, file a complaint with the appropriate authorities.

[gollygee]

149. It's nowhere near fraud

Not in any way, even slightly like fraud.

Will the hyperbole in GDP never end?