2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHas it been established as fact that some posters on DU....
... i guess especially in this forum... are being paid $$ by the campaign of one of the two remaining DEM candidates to post and advocate here?
Or is it just on certain other sites? ( Or not at all? Or are they BOTH doing it?)
Just trying to figure out what is known for certain... and generally agreed upon... at this time.
Thx.
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)But there are two recent changes. More Hillary supporters because of the end of time-outs. Fewer Sanders supporters because of JPR and general dispiritedness. The news about the Sanders layoffs which is probably not related.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,364 posts)I only get weed. I really want Snickers!
BernieBro, Inc., is just not treating me right.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)I've got some pretty awesome negotiating skills.
RampageSnipa586
(25 posts)Loudestlib
(980 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Which is a common path to national legislation for things that were once illegal.
Loudestlib
(980 posts)Historically the democrats lead the way.
In 1932 the Democratic Party's platform included a plank for the repeal of Prohibition, and Democratic candidate Franklin D. Roosevelt ran for president of the United States promising repeal of federal Prohibition laws.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeal_of_Prohibition_in_the_United_States
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)rights started in the state legislatures.
Loudestlib
(980 posts)Prohibition laws are federal and they were created to specifically target minorities.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)The quality of information and level of debate I have seen from the Astroturfers here is just embarrassing.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)to pay people to post. More likely Reddit and Twitter, really. DU has something like 2000 regular participants, maybe.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)many of the paid trolls are getting their marching orders from the RW, not from either candidate.
Koch and friends want to kill any viable President who they really rear, so they recruit and pay operatives to serial post bash and trash about Hillary.
Nothing new here - seen it before and we'll likely see it again.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)>>Koch and friends want to kill any viable President who they really rear, so they recruit and pay operatives to serial post bash and trash about Hillary. >>>
... but do not KNOW if it is true.
The reason for this OP is to determine what... if anything in this regard is KNOWN.... or even better.... CONCEDED to be true.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)investigated and charged in the case of other candidates. The MO has happened before.
Even if someone posted the cancelled check drawn on Charles Koch's personal account, many here would refuse to believe it.
There is nothing wrong with me pointing out the OP has a logic error. It assumes that paid operatives have to come from one candidate or the other. That's not true!!
Logically, it's more likely that paid operatives are from the millionaires and billionaires who have openly spent hundreds of millions, and secretly spend much more. Why not drop a few millions in "contributions" for the primary opposition candidate? Why not pay trolls to present to support the outlier candidate and attack the one you really, really don't want to win.
It's a simple investment that pays off - and is easy to do.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)I think they would figure out pretty quick that they're pissing away $$$$$ (like Jeb's donors did...). They may be greedy,and yes, I believe evil, but they're not dumb (at least WRT $$$).
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I check out their Profile to welcome them to DU and discover they've been here for years, except they've just started posting recently -- "Member since 2004. Total Number of Posts: 801. 789 posts in the last 90 days."
Not that they're sock puppets or paid trolls or anything, it's just nice.
seaglass
(8,173 posts)He had info in his 2nd profile that was duplicated from the first. I did PM him to let him know and he deleted the info.
The funniest thing was when he was complaining over at DI about being banned from DU and how sad it made him that he couldn't post any more when in reality he went back to posting using his 2nd profile within a week of being banned.
People are funny.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)to be filled with a lot over top extreme leftist...with huge egos and sensitivies...willing to report alerts on someone in a blink of an eye...recently I decided to jump in as the fringe kept alienating a huge portion of Democratic base. .but if Hillary or Bernie willing to pay me... heck I'll take their check...lol
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)And the "extreme leftist" that we use to talk about where people who where like people living in a commune out in desert somewhere. It is so sad to see DLC now consider people like Sanders to be "extreme leftist" when in fact his ideas are more in line with what I would called a center left(Someone who wants capitalism but with it befitting the society not trying to ruin it). And Hillary I would voted for because she is pro-corporation and that was the type of Republican I wanted, someone who is more social left but Right wing in the economy. But that was back in my stupid years when thought that we should not tax the rich because any day now I was going to be one rich people.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)The only common denominator in every accusation is the poster was saying something the accuser disagreed with.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Unless someone's flashing a paycheque, there's no definitive way to prove someone's being paid to post.
Therefore, the accusations are just so much mental masturbation.
Zombies and sockpuppets abound, though. And anyone who's served on MIRT knows that it's pretty easy to identify them. Leopards don't change their spots.
Sid
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... that's simply impossible.
So its got to be something else.
It was "Hillary is only winning southern states."
Then it was "Well, she's only winning with blacks and women."
Then it was "She's only winning the elite."
Then it was "Hillary suppressed the vote."
Now ... "There are paid trolls ruining America to help Hillary win!!!"
Give it a week, and they'll have a new rationale as to why Bernie isn't winning.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)... what does any of this have to do w. OP?
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)going back and forth relying to each other back and forth for a long time.
And one is trying to explain to the other, but the other one isn't really answering but just throwing something back. The first person responds to that and the 2nd just throws something else back without answering on the issue.
When that idea of getting paid came up a few days ago, that's what I thought about. They probably get paid by the comment, so to get maximum money, you just keep antagonizing to get responses and keep that narrative up. Ka-ching!
Just a thought.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)They are aggressive, mouthy, and support Mrs Clinton. Take from that what you will.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)do I sign up?
RandySF
(59,225 posts)I would like to see who's supporters post more often on DU and THEN ask who is getting paid.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I could use some extra money.
IamMab
(1,359 posts)And his million-dollar spend on them came months before Correct The Record set out to spend on countering anti-Clinton agitprop.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Lol. and for those who are deliberately obtuse
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Loudestlib
(980 posts)He can post the demographics on the web traffic to this site. If a bunch of it is coming from one place that is a clear sign that a company is targeting DU with paid posters.
bvf
(6,604 posts)from a Clinton supporter that seems intelligent enough to merit compensation.
Then again, the Clinton campaign's standards could be even lower than we've been led to believe.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)They posted child porn on Face Book, I am going with their standards are lower than we even imagined. And I thought they were lower than the chicken hawks because chicken hawks make no pretenses of being progressive.