"She Might Be Indicted" is not Sanders campaign slogan.

[NCTraveler]

It's hard to tell from all of the people holding out all hope and all of the ratfucking going on by people like HA Goodman, but it isn't his slogan. My heart goes out to Sanders. His message has absolutely been taken over by ratfuckers and people who are in this because they want to be a part of a team.

Many thought Sanders supporters online presence was going to be huge for him. Well, it has been. It crippled him. As many of us saw early on, they overshadowed his message and took over. Very little online has been about Sanders actual message for months. And I am talking from his own supporters online and that fed up to his surrogates.

Granted, Weaver has promoted this himself. His lack of ethics and class has been a low point of the Sanders campaign. His fund raising email letters have been disastrous for Sanders and did nothing but pander to and embolden the hate of his online supporters. Yes, they did bring in hundreds of millions, but he gave up control in doing so. He truly fomented the hate. Made it not about Sanders, but about any and everyone else. It was beyond a foolish campaign move.

Yes, some of Sanders own comments have been pretty shady. I am not a one and done person so that doesn't end my relationship with Sanders. I don't agree with everything Clinton does or says. But overall Sanders has stuck to a solid progressive message. You would never know even when only reading what his own supporters have to say. They completely derailed his campaign.

Sanders online supporters have made the primaries about any and everything other than Sanders own message. They have attacked any and everyone not named Sanders. That includes progressives, progressive institutions, and the Democrat Party.

Some of Sanders online supporters are the best progressives you will ever want to meet. They are in direct opposition to the "She Might Be Indicted" crowd. They have been completely overshadowed by hate. I will argue that we would actually have a race on our hands if Sanders was running his campaign and not an online army of people with no attachments to anything at all. His message was hijacked.

I am moving on to support Sanders as a Democrat. He is a part of our party and I support him. I agree with an enormous part of his message as I do so many Democrats. The primaries are over and there is no longer a reason to compare his ideas to Clintons in the name of advancing to the GE.

After a whole career as a politician, Sanders has now seen the light and joined our party. I'm moving past HA Goodman and many of the other asshats just using Sanders for their own personal reasons. I plan on welcoming him into my home with open arms at this point and moving forward.

Sanders, lets work to get Clinton elected and fight relentlessly in the following years to ensure a progressive agenda. After a career as a politician, your work in the Senate has just started. You now have a place to call home and I support you. You don't have to be perfect, you are human.

[Skink]

1. That's Trumps slogan

[Yurovsky]

4. Yes, but it is related to what many on the left take issue...

the emails are almost certainly tied to the CGI slush fund, and that's why people like myself take issue with her (she's a corporatist, bought & paid for).

I don't want Bernie to win by default, and I'm not pulling for her to be nicked if she didn't in fact break the law.

But if she did, she needs to be held accountable. NO ONE should be above the law, regardless of their politics or their wealth/connections.

[mcar]

6. We're seeing prayers for it here on DU

Some Sanders supporters have embraced this negativity too.

[leveymg]

2. Comey will have the last word on this, soon.

[Buzz Clik]

3. +1

[Thinkingabout]

5. I heard this information from a RWer, of course H A Goodman attempts to promote this idea also.

[QC]

7. It's better than "He might get shot."

[NCTraveler]

8. You are comparing apples to oranges.

At no point did I ask for Sanders to drop out. Your comment is nothing more than a deflection. It is exactly the point I am making.

There are very good reasons for Sanders to not drop out. Something happening to Clinton is just one of them.

[HooptieWagon]

9. She has already lawyered up, preparing for the worst.

Denial of the possibility will only make the butthurt worse. Clinton supporters would be better prepared by starting a Kickstarter legal defense fund. Even if she avoids an indictment, it will be a black cloud over her and Republicans will not hesitate to make hay of it in the GE and presidency (if she gets that far). Republicans will continue to hold a House majority after the election, and only need 50%+1 votes to begin impeachment. The Senate will not vote to remove her, but endless hearings will make her completely ineffectual.

[sharp_stick]

11. Virtually no lawyer with any experience

in this area thinks that the FBI will recommend an indictment.

It's a RW wet dream along with the ever Benghazi will get her soon.

[HooptieWagon]

13. Actually, about half the legal experts polled think she's in trouble.

If there is no chance of an indictment, why did she lawyer up?

[sharp_stick]

14. If you or your organization are being investigated

by the FBI and you don't lawyer up you would be the dumbest person on Earth.

[Actor]

26. That is correct. The ONLY people talking indictment are the RW conspiracy

which exists to destroy the Clinton family.

[HooptieWagon]

40. Obama's appointed FBI and DoJ are a RW conspiracy?

[Actor]

41. They have openly stated they are considering indicting Hillary?

[HooptieWagon]

44. They have said they are reviewing evidence to make the determination.

So yes, it appears that an indictment has not been ruled out...therefore, it's under consideration.

[Actor]

47. I have never seen anything where an indictment of her is under consideration other than

from right wing sources.

[HooptieWagon]

48. Comey publicly said evidence is being reviewed by FBI and DoJ lawyers.

Do you think Comey is a RW source?

[Actor]

55. Show me where he says they are reviewing evidence to see whether or not to indict Hillary Clinton.

He might have, I just havent seen it.

[NCTraveler]

22. Clinton has had lawers on call for decades. It means nothing.

I earn a middle class income and have multiple lawyers on retainer. I am not under investigation nor do I plan on being.

[Actor]

42. I never thought I would see the day where liberals assigned guilt to someone for

hiring a lawyer.

Sheesh

[Demsrule86]

49. Really

Well, Bernie Sanders and his supporters 'made hay' out of it, and she beat Bernie resoundingly. So I guess, we will beat Trump too.

[HooptieWagon]

50. "We don't care about your damn emails" is making hay out of it?

Wow, y'all are going to be woefully unprepared for what the Republicans throw at her.

[glowing]

10. I think it became a little nasty out of the gate with the coin tosses.

And don't tell me he super Pacs with Brock in charge of formenting hate and nastiness didn't play into it. You act like no one should touch her? He's run a really clean campaign. Do y'all not remember 2008 when 2 corporate candidates were at each other's throats? And most seemed to like the one with less ties to war.

I'm sorry, but when you have a completely lacking campaign and really name recognition, the DNC and many state party leaders rigging everything, an exclusionary tactic (for supposedly a big tent party), and attack Bernie, for God's sake Bernie, the one of the longest true to word, right on the issues, often standing in the House or Senate speaking to an empty room about a bill or a direction or a war that was just dead wrong. A progressive/ liberal champion for years. A hero to so many of us.

Wtf, do y'all think it was easy for him to step up? From a small state, in relative ease and relaxation, 74 yrs old, to stand up and fight for us as a nation? For our human souls, dignity, and the planet? He has so little time left in this world and his supporters have so much more, and yet, he stepped up and out. He said no to corrupt money. His ideas aren't unicorn land, it's what Normal developed nations give their citizens. He didn't have to do this. But Warren didn't step into the election, and he did... And thank God. People talk about having universal Medicare for all now, $15.00/ hr min wage, education, trade deals that are so harmful for us and the planet, spending less on war or military toys and spending it on people who actually pay taxes (there's and novel idea).

Don't tell me that it's nasty because the youth grew up on the Internet and has essentially utilized it and programmed it to check and balance big brother. And you know, there will be push back to have some sort of control over the Internet after this election. I have a feeling the young people will once again go around the PTB and f them up some more... And all the 45 and younger that do support Bernies ideas and such will be closer to 50 and then 55... And the babies today, are literally cutting their teeth and learning ABC's on iPads. They lose in the long run... Or the planet gives out? I'm afraid that's occurring extremely rapidly. The oceans are dying. When they die off, land species will not survive.

Just knowing the upwelling currents are changing, weather patterns are changing, coral reefs are bleaching, salt water marshes are in extreme loss. It's not a good thing for this planet. It's one of the reasons these kids are fighting up against the Brock crap and business as usual. I'm 37... Gen X, but close to millennials. I graduated with a environmental and marine degree. We were literally signing up for our last semester classes the morning the election changed from gore to bush (back in those days, we still had to sign up by going to a designated sign up area and if you needed a class, you were there sitting like you were in line for a concert. There wasn't a dry tear in the line in that science building when Al Gore lost. We knew we had lost a decade on environmental policies for the new century. Shoot most of us lost money or potential jobs that night before we even got our diplomas.

I'm not trying to be an alarmist, but in the late 90's the outlook was really bad, it's infinitely worse now, especially with the wars and China spewing out factory crud. It's just ugly outlook for the planet.

[NCTraveler]

12. "You act like no one should touch her?"

I truly have no clue how you got that from anything I posted.

"Wtf, do y'all think it was easy for him to step up? "

Not in any way and I truly have no clue how you got that from anything I posted.

Coin tosses?

You seem to have missed the fact that my op is not in opposition to Sanders in any way. Your reply makes it seem as if that is all it was about.

[glowing]

15. Really, I read an attack on supporters and campaign people.

It could have been so nasty if Bernie wanted to... But his supporters who are fighting for their lives, do utilize the Internet.

I said in another post, when they were saying what would you do to support a Clinton, and someone mentione Senate leader, oh boy, would I go for that in a heartbeat. If the Dems take control again, and I would work for the DLC Dems to get that in play, if he took lead, hell yeah, I'd support Clinton in the GR. Why? The Senate body is ONE of the most powerful bodies we have. And if it actually did the job it was supposed to do, we could actually get quite a few of those progressive laws passed for people.

But I hear the DNC prefers Schumer... So good luck America.

[NCTraveler]

17. "Really, I read an attack on supporters and campaign people."

Please read your original reply. You parlayed it into attacks on Sanders himself. It was a stretch too far.

"Really, I read an attack on supporters and campaign people."

That is much more accurate. Yes, many of them have absolutely derailed his campaign.

I support Sanders. He has an excellent message and I agree with most of it. Onward we go.

[Dem2]

18. CT forum is over there ->

[NCTraveler]

24. That is really an underlining part of my point.

Some have taken over online forums and turned them into conspiracy central. Other than laughing, it is hard to combat conspiracy theories that only exist in the minds of "group thinkers."

[Dem2]

45. It's unfortunate

There are so many ways to describe this on the internet now. It seems that many anti-social types now have an outlet on the internet. I think it's helped to keep the crime-rates and other issues lower than they used to be (theory of mine), but with rules set up to keep proper decorum on most forums, it allows far too many CT theories types to thrive - at the expense of the greater community. Policing it is time-consuming and when rules on CT stuff is enforced, it only enhances the "victimization status" of those propagating said theories. Combined with other types of trolling, it has been a long long learning process WRT navigating the land mines contained in these here internet pipes.

[lumberjack_jeff]

16. In contrast, Clinton is to be saluted for making the campaign about nothing but Sanders supporters

If the Goldman Sachs/Koch brothers campaign can do *this* they can do anything.

[NCTraveler]

20. Whoosh. Have at it.

Welcome aboard Sanders. Really excited to have him as a Democrat moving forward. We can accomplish great things with the Clinton Administration. Sanders will play a big role in the Senate helping to foster her agenda.

[uponit7771]

53. "nothing but", a bit of hyperbole no?

[frylock]

19. Is Obama's DOJ part of the ratfucking?

[NCTraveler]

21. No. I'm sure there are still plenty of righties hanging around there.

Hopes for indictment are simply the dreams of delusional morons like HA Goodman. It was addressed in my op.

Such fools guaranteed a Sanders loss. My heart goes out to him. Many of his supporters took away any chance he had.

[frylock]

23. Debbie Waterboy took away any chance he had by minimizing exposure.

Anyone with half a fucking brain realizes that. There was ample discussion here last summer on how the first debate was scheduled long after NY's deadline to register with the Party to ensure that people wouldn't hear his message. Your crackpot theory is based purely on hate.

[NCTraveler]

25. Not sure who Debbie Waterboy is.

The rest of what you wrote I covered extensively in the op.

No hate here. I'm excited to have Sanders in the party. I feel for him and how his campaign has been taken over.

[Kokonoe]

35. Its Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Clinton campaigmanager and Democratic National Committee

Not something a Clinton supporter would want to know.

sorry about the title, but my keyboard will not respond to change text?
I can type anything, just not in the reply title.

[NCTraveler]

37. Ahhh. DWS. She hasn't been very good as head of the DNC in my opinion.

I still don't feel the need to call an accomplished woman a waterboy. Now I get it. Thank you.

[Kokonoe]

43. accomplished water boy for loan sharks.

and a fraud democrat. I see too.

[NCTraveler]

46. Yeah, not into refering to accomplished women as waterboys. I get that it's your thing.

Kind of the point of my op. Thanks and good luck.

[Kokonoe]

51. Its all about not understanding.

OK maybe I will get it.

[tonyt53]

27. Well said!

Far too many of Bernie's supporters have no idea that for any Democrat elected in November to the presidency, to get anything done, will require a Democrat majority in the Senate. They really think a President can do those things all by themselves. Bernie has not helped the first Democrat running for a Senate seat. He has helped three people running for house seats. That institution has no way of turning back to Democrat control until the first election after the 2020 census and with Democrat appointees on the SCOTUS.

[NorthCarolina]

28. Question, not snark. If she IS indicted, and I am not saying she will be or won't be, but

if she is, does she remain in the race since an indictment is not a conviction? Couldn't Obama simply pardon her for any crimes both real or perceived?

[NCTraveler]

30. I have seen no reason she will be indicted. So lets use Sanders as an example.

If he is found to have known more about his campaigns theft of data than originally thought and was directly involved, and is indicted for tampering with a campaign, he will drop out. If Clinton is indicted for anything she would as well.

Neither Sanders or Clinton will be indicted. The conversation itself is foolish.

[Kokonoe]

38. There are people that make a living in indicting, along with many others presently serving on juries

The conversation itself is not foolish.

[NCTraveler]

39. The manner in which it is presented here is beyone foolish.

People making a living off of it or jurists have no bearing as to its foolishness.

[peace13]

29. Attributing words to Sanders supporters is risky business.

The anonymous nature of the web has been perfect for sabotage. It has been futile to battle it. As far as indictment goes. Whether she is or isn't is not the question. The question is how can her actions be ignored by the voters. Just because they don't indict her doesn't mean there isn't an ethical problem.

[angrychair]

31. You do realize we can see you transparency page?

You do you realize that you recommended an OP (to your credit, you later removed your name from it after I challenged you on it) that used Anti Semitic, neo-Nazi hate sites and its batshit crazy conspiracy theories to slander Sanders.

It's hard to jive that you really care about anything Sanders stands for when you and your peers have spent months calling Sanders a rapist, a racist, a liar, a cheat, a nut job and months attacking and shaming the poor and struggling for only voting for Sanders because they want "free stuff" and whining about your taxes going up like a self-centered republican.

[NCTraveler]

33. Yes. I understand you can see my transparecy page.

Thanks for the kick.

[CoffeeCat]

32. You can be a Progressive and also hold the opinion that "she might be indicted."

These hair-on-fire attempts to position anyone who DARES to discuss the FBI investigation into Clinton's email server--is bizarre.

Once again, a Hillary supporter attempts to demonize anyone who dares to discuss this investigation.

This is ludicrous.

Hillary Clinton is the frontrunner in the Democratic party. Her using a homebrew, unsecured server on which to email all of her State business--and the FBI's year-long investigation of this--is a big deal.

She may be incited. She may not be indicted. It's a topic that is fair game for discussion.

Somewhere between, "OH MY GOD she's going to be indicted for sure!" and "Shut the hell up you horrible people she's never going to be indicted"---is reality. This reality is where the grown ups are, discussing the facts of the case and trying to understand what might happen to our Democratic party and our elections, going forward.

I think a separate group should be created for the discussion of this issue.

[NCTraveler]

34. And I think you should continue talking about the indictment.

All day every day. It will continue to solidify Clintons lead. Unfortunately for Sanders, an excellent democrat, every second you spend on it is a second you won't spend discussing his excellent message. Poor guy has flat out had his campaign hijacked by his online army.

[CoffeeCat]

56. I will continue talking about it

and your silly rants are bizarre.

[NCTraveler]

57. What silly rant of mine is bizarre? I think I'm pretty clear and by the responses so do others. nt.

[The Second Stone]

36. this is a non-issue

Another poster summed it up well in another thread:


joeybee12 (53,841 posts)
1. To clarify what you don't want to understand, before this gets locked

She had her own secure, more secure than government servers, installed so she could use a blackberry...it's that simple...the government servers were not equipped to ensure the connection could be secure...next right wing meme, please.

[redstatebluegirl]

52. Wow, one of the most reasonable posts this primary season.

I support Hillary but have always said I will vote for Bernie if he is the nominee. The nasty tenor or some of the Bernie online people has really changed my opinion of their candidate.

[NurseJackie]

54. ALLOW ME TO TRANSLATE: When they say "She might be indicted" what they mean is:

Yes. Yes, I admit it. I hate Hillary. I hate her, so much... it-it- the f - it -flam - flames. Flames, on the side of my face, breathing-breathl- heaving breaths. Heaving breaths... Heathing...



So the next time it's mentioned, just think of this and laugh!

[NCTraveler]

61. Made me smile.

I was told I was a conservative the other day because of my avatar. Some really unhinged shit is going on around here.

[Orsino]

58. "Unindicted" would be a weak-ass Clinton slogan.

I don't put much stock in the expectations for a Clinton indictment. Those at the top typically are isolated from many of the worst decisions, and in any case they almost always escape consequences.

No, the FBI thing just reads now like a big, noxious cloud of rumor likely to hinder our likely nominee. The few details that are out make her look irresponsible, but I no doubt lack context.

[NCTraveler]

59. "Unindicted would be a weak-ass Clinton slogan.

Seems kind of like common sense. I agree. It would be a pretty bad slogan. I don't think they have plans on running with it.

[Maru Kitteh]

60. Excellent and insightful post, NC traveller. I am doing my best. I really do like Senator Sanders

very much. I am genuinely glad for his presence and influence in this primary season. Ultimately, I think his influence has been not only beneficial but perhaps even necessary to the success of Secretary Clinton what will be her successful election to the office of President.

It does appear his campaign was in fact wrested from his control. The meaningful reforms and worthwhile goals were obscured in toxic clouds of extremism and vitriol. Online at least, it clearly became more about the destruction of the Democratic party and Hillary than anything to do with the Senator himself. Like almost all "Stop X" movements though, it asphyxiated in the vapors of it's own poison.

It's far from my first rodeo. I understand the footings of the SBS campaign and its surrogates, online and IRL, will not turn on a dime. It's a hard and painful road. In the end, it will be okay though. I welcome the influence and vigorous efforts I expect we will see from Senator Sanders to help ensure the election of HRC to POTUS.