Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:44 AM

It's time to "call it"

It could have been a hard fought contest of ideals, ideas and vision. Instead it became a shrieking demands of obedience in exchange for the presumed safety of the gilded cage of The Establishment -- except we get the cage and The Establishment gets the gild.

It could have been a debate about how to achieve the goals we once shared. Instead it became a timid retreat into every fable for failure put forward by the obstructionist opposition.

It could have been a rejection of unjust war, corporatism and lawless government. Instead we have been treated to hurricane force winds from all the hand-waving because not voting for blue corruption is supposedly a love of red corruption.

It could have been civil. Instead, every effort was made to brand those who have stood for decades fighting for civil rights and rallying around our beleaguered president for nigh-on 8 years into racist and sexists.

It couldn't even wait for the natural tides of a common foe to bring the unity that was supposedly being demanded. No, instead it became a cry to begin a countdown clock to blind, uncritical obedience; of party over principle; compliance over commonality.

Progressivism? Liberalism?

Yeah. Right.

It's time to call it.

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79 replies	Author	Time	Post
It's time to "call it" (Original post)	Nuclear Unicorn	Apr 2016	OP
Skinner says:	bigwillq	Apr 2016	#1
Thank you	Faux pas	Apr 2016	#2
I'm not trying to be snarky but did you even read my OP?	Nuclear Unicorn	Apr 2016	#3
Yes.	bigwillq	Apr 2016	#7
People have seen so many "call it" post, they just assume. nt	Snotcicles	Apr 2016	#9
Understandable, which is why I didn't want to be snarky.	Nuclear Unicorn	Apr 2016	#11
That's respectful. nt	Snotcicles	Apr 2016	#20
I'll call it...	Fairgo	Apr 2016	#78
HRC still needs 70% of the remaining delegates to get the nomination; it's not at all clear she can	amborin	Apr 2016	#13
Right.	JTFrog	Apr 2016	#22
Don't you love the FREELOADERS without a star next to their Username who complain/instruct the site?	TheBlackAdder	Apr 2016	#54
Thank goodness.	Orsino	Apr 2016	#4
It could have been civil...	CrowCityDem	Apr 2016	#5
Not even a month, and yet another h supporter on the fainting couch	artislife	Apr 2016	#8
Just another Brockboy.	frylock	Apr 2016	#18
And, oh, the smugness is on our part... riiiiiight.	JudyM	Apr 2016	#35
We may have made some "slow progress" in a few areas of social justice but	rhett o rick	Apr 2016	#12
If someone doesn't like being accused of doling out favors in exchange for payments there is a	Nuclear Unicorn	Apr 2016	#14
Sanders sold his vote in 1991 to the Democrats. The problem is the fantasy of what Sanders isn't	seabeyond	Apr 2016	#34
WTH?!!	JudyM	Apr 2016	#37
What part of that is confusing to you. Perfectly legit, still politician.	seabeyond	Apr 2016	#40
We do not paint him as a non-politician. We see by his actions that he is non-corrupt.	JudyM	Apr 2016	#41
Of course you paint him in purity. Which is wrong. Sold support of F35. His job. In his state,	seabeyond	Apr 2016	#42
There is no purity, as I said. But there is also no comparison between these two candidates' morals.	JudyM	Apr 2016	#43
I couldn't disagree with you more on the moral issue. Nt	seabeyond	Apr 2016	#48
Borrowed this from leftcoastmountains.	polly7	Apr 2016	#53
Do you also accuse people of murder then ask them to prove they didnt?	JaneyVee	Apr 2016	#36
The FBI is doing that for him...	JudyM	Apr 2016	#39
If they are holding a knife in their hand while standing over a stabbed body --	Nuclear Unicorn	Apr 2016	#44
.	Dragonfli	Apr 2016	#28
There are less liberal sites if progressivism isn't your thing.	Gore1FL	Apr 2016	#30
No money in it.	Lizzie Poppet	Apr 2016	#45
Not to mention the ageism with this election.	redstatebluegirl	Apr 2016	#51
Well said...	think	Apr 2016	#6
You know how when a Doctor tries to save a Patient but fails?	Joob	Apr 2016	#10
So far we are right on track. We knew that fighting the corrupt Establishment would	rhett o rick	Apr 2016	#15
"Principles" are so 2003. n/t	lumberjack_jeff	Apr 2016	#16
The pic in your sig makes me chortle.	Nuclear Unicorn	Apr 2016	#17
The OP clearly has made no effort to understand why Hillary's supporters back her.	LonePirate	Apr 2016	#19
I know what has been put to me as defenses of Clinton by Clinton supporters.	Nuclear Unicorn	Apr 2016	#23
Except I've never seen anything on DU that even comes close to what you say you've been told.	LonePirate	Apr 2016	#38
Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't real. It just means you haven't seen it.	Nuclear Unicorn	Apr 2016	#46
For Christ sakes! Stop ringing that cockamamie bell!	longship	Apr 2016	#21
"It's like an infantile tantrum!!"	Nuclear Unicorn	Apr 2016	#27
It's clear as a bell. If a "D" supports it, war is ok.	actslikeacarrot	Apr 2016	#24
Call it what.	cherokeeprogressive	Apr 2016	#25
Call it "racist" "sexist" and "naive" and then demand it vote for your candidate.	Nuclear Unicorn	Apr 2016	#26
Im sorry, but who exactly called you racist and sexist?	JaneyVee	Apr 2016	#31
Examples may be found using the following google searches:	Gore1FL	Apr 2016	#49
No.	LWolf	Apr 2016	#29
+1	dana_b	Apr 2016	#32
I would like to politely suggest that you're misinterpreting the OP.	Nuclear Unicorn	Apr 2016	#56
If you are not	LWolf	Apr 2016	#57
The "It could have been" portion of each paragraph refers to what I believe	Nuclear Unicorn	Apr 2016	#59
Read from that lens,	LWolf	Apr 2016	#65
Thank you for allowing me to explain and giving me a fair reading.	Nuclear Unicorn	Apr 2016	#69
First sentence. That is not true. I am so tired of the over the top, while suggesting reason.	seabeyond	Apr 2016	#33
"It could have been a hard fought contest of ideals, ideas and vision." is the first sentence	Gore1FL	Apr 2016	#47
My bad. The first two sentences. The contradictory hypocrisy and irony	seabeyond	Apr 2016	#50
I am not seeing the contradiction or the failure in describing this nomination phase on DU. nt	Gore1FL	Apr 2016	#52
shrieking demands of obedience in exchange for the presumed safety of the gilded cage of The Establi	seabeyond	Apr 2016	#58
It describes my experience in GD:P and the HRC forum. YMMV nt	Gore1FL	Apr 2016	#60
Well, I can say a whole lot of nasty, rotten things about Sanders supporters. Not gonna accomplish	seabeyond	Apr 2016	#61
You don't need to. It happens a lot already. Hence Nuclear Unicorn's OP. n/t	Gore1FL	Apr 2016	#62
Nu uh. Not hence Nuclears OP. She gets to own the nasty all on her own. Lordy.	seabeyond	Apr 2016	#63
It nonetheless describes the toxicity of DU and the weird desire for Skinner to "call it"	Gore1FL	Apr 2016	#64
And I, nonetheless, disagree. It was just another OP ridiculously dissing other Democrats.	seabeyond	Apr 2016	#74
GD:P has been littered for days with thread after thread calling for Skinner to "call it"	Nuclear Unicorn	Apr 2016	#66
"Beat the GOP with what?" To the point of purely ridiculous.	seabeyond	Apr 2016	#67
To the point of purely ridiculous.	Nuclear Unicorn	Apr 2016	#68
It is an absurd way to define Clinton. So, when people get on your ass, or others...	seabeyond	Apr 2016	#70
How should we define the hawkishness and the cozying up with the corporate set?	Nuclear Unicorn	Apr 2016	#71
Pretend ... Just as you pretend that Sanders is not sitting right next to Clinton.	seabeyond	Apr 2016	#72
You try to castigate me for absurdities and then you post that.	Nuclear Unicorn	Apr 2016	#73
I am not seeing a correlation.	seabeyond	Apr 2016	#76
Sanders sits right with Clinton and that is the absurdity of your argument. His is simply	seabeyond	Apr 2016	#75
DRAMA QUEEN ALERT!! DRAMA QUEEN ALERT!!	closeupready	Apr 2016	#55
Board owners would be cutting their profits in half if they got rid of all the	Jackie Wilson Said	Apr 2016	#77
OK	whistler162	Apr 2016	#79

Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:46 AM

bigwillq (72,790 posts)

1. Skinner says:

At this time it appears that we still have two candidates who are still in the race, and are still participating in elections in a number of states. Therefore it is still primary election season on DU.

At this point, the plan is for primary season to continue on DU until a candidate drops out or the voting is over -- whichever happens first.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910165

It's time to "call it"

1. Skinner says:

2. Thank you

3. I'm not trying to be snarky but did you even read my OP?

7. Yes.

9. People have seen so many "call it" post, they just assume. nt

11. Understandable, which is why I didn't want to be snarky.

20. That's respectful. nt

78. I'll call it...

13. HRC still needs 70% of the remaining delegates to get the nomination; it's not at all clear she can

22. Right.

54. Don't you love the FREELOADERS without a star next to their Username who complain/instruct the site?

4. Thank goodness.

5. It could have been civil...

8. Not even a month, and yet another h supporter on the fainting couch

18. Just another Brockboy.

35. And, oh, the smugness is on *our* part... riiiiiight.

12. We may have made some "slow progress" in a few areas of social justice but

14. If someone doesn't like being accused of doling out favors in exchange for payments there is a

34. Sanders sold his vote in 1991 to the Democrats. The problem is the fantasy of what Sanders isn't

37. WTH?!!

40. What part of that is confusing to you. Perfectly legit, still politician.

41. We do not paint him as a non-politician. We see by his actions that he is non-corrupt.

42. Of course you paint him in purity. Which is wrong. Sold support of F35. His job. In his state,

43. There is no purity, as I said. But there is also no comparison between these two candidates' morals.

48. I couldn't disagree with you more on the moral issue. Nt

53. Borrowed this from leftcoastmountains.

36. Do you also accuse people of murder then ask them to prove they didnt?

39. The FBI is doing that for him...

44. If they are holding a knife in their hand while standing over a stabbed body --

28. .

30. There are less liberal sites if progressivism isn't your thing.

45. No money in it.

51. Not to mention the ageism with this election.

6. Well said...

10. You know how when a Doctor tries to save a Patient but fails?

15. So far we are right on track. We knew that fighting the corrupt Establishment would

16. "Principles" are so 2003. n/t

17. The pic in your sig makes me chortle.

19. The OP clearly has made no effort to understand why Hillary's supporters back her.

23. I know what has been put to me as defenses of Clinton by Clinton supporters.

38. Except I've never seen anything on DU that even comes close to what you say you've been told.

46. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't real. It just means you haven't seen it.

21. For Christ sakes! Stop ringing that cockamamie bell!

27. "It's like an infantile tantrum!!"

24. It's clear as a bell. If a "D" supports it, war is ok.

25. Call it what.

26. Call it "racist" "sexist" and "naive" and then demand it vote for your candidate.

31. Im sorry, but who exactly called you racist and sexist?

49. Examples may be found using the following google searches:

29. No.

32. +1

56. I would like to politely suggest that you're misinterpreting the OP.

57. If you are not

59. The "It could have been" portion of each paragraph refers to what I believe

65. Read from that lens,

69. Thank you for allowing me to explain and giving me a fair reading.

33. First sentence. That is not true. I am so tired of the over the top, while suggesting reason.

47. "It could have been a hard fought contest of ideals, ideas and vision." is the first sentence

50. My bad. The first two sentences. The contradictory hypocrisy and irony

52. I am not seeing the contradiction or the failure in describing this nomination phase on DU. nt

58. shrieking demands of obedience in exchange for the presumed safety of the gilded cage of The Establi

60. It describes my experience in GD:P and the HRC forum. YMMV nt

61. Well, I can say a whole lot of nasty, rotten things about Sanders supporters. Not gonna accomplish

62. You don't need to. It happens a lot already. Hence Nuclear Unicorn's OP. n/t

63. Nu uh. Not hence Nuclears OP. She gets to own the nasty all on her own. Lordy.

64. It nonetheless describes the toxicity of DU and the weird desire for Skinner to "call it"

74. And I, nonetheless, disagree. It was just another OP ridiculously dissing other Democrats.

66. GD:P has been littered for days with thread after thread calling for Skinner to "call it"

67. "Beat the GOP with what?" To the point of purely ridiculous.

68. To the point of purely ridiculous.

70. It is an absurd way to define Clinton. So, when people get on your ass, or others...

71. How should we define the hawkishness and the cozying up with the corporate set?

72. Pretend ... Just as you pretend that Sanders is not sitting right next to Clinton.

73. You try to castigate me for absurdities and then you post that.

76. I am not seeing a correlation.

75. Sanders sits right with Clinton and that is the absurdity of your argument. His is simply

55. DRAMA QUEEN ALERT!! DRAMA QUEEN ALERT!!

77. Board owners would be cutting their profits in half if they got rid of all the

79. OK

35. And, oh, the smugness is on our part... riiiiiight.