Two cents on the way out the door.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

The revolution is only beginning. It will continue to grow due to relentless economic repression from the oligarchs who control the political structure and economy of the USA. How it will evolve, I have no idea, but I hope to see the day when the people re-take control of the American government.

The “Democratic” Party is now controlled by an alliance of Third Way elites.

This was facilitated by the Koch brothers who partially funded the DLC and staffed its board.

Voter suppression by both parties is not a bug, it is a feature.

Democracy’s last stand for restoration in this cycle is either a landslide in California or a leaked FBI recommendation for indictment of Hillary based on her private email server. We need to phone bank in California, donate and hope for the best, imo.

A DU purge seems likely if Hillary gets the nomination. I don’t want to wait around for that, so I probably won’t post on DU for the foreseeable future. To paraphrase George Harrison, “All Things Must Pass Gas.” I will probably still lurk here because it remains a treasure trove of information not available via Corporate Media. I think most people here are great. Every open cycle we have had full-contact debate and that’s OK, perfectly understandable. But I feel that the number of people who are either unaware or only mildly concerned about our accelerating ecological crisis, is disturbing. So, best wishes to all. I hope we make it as a species and as a biosphere, but the odds get longer every day.

As a lifelong Democrat (prior to this week), I will keep an open mind about changing my registration back. But my standard for belonging to a political party from now on is that it must realistically address the conservation of the biosphere. Not gonna happen this cycle without Bernie as standard barrier, imo. So, assuming Bernie is not the nominee, I will work for progressive candidates in my region and cultivate my garden. Good luck. #Bernieorbust

[tonyt53]

1. Don't let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out the door then.

[ecstatic]

2. +1000. nt

[Scuba]

57. ...

"If the Democratic Party would fight as hard for the Working Class as the Republican Party fights for the Ruling Class, the Republicans would be a powerless minority party within a few election cycles.

The Democratic Party knows this, the Republican Party knows this, the Ruling Class knows this- and they've been astonishingly successful at making sure the Working Class never learns this.

The status quo was rolling along just fine, until Bernie Sanders came along and mucked it up with his crazy ideas about democracy, equality and justice." ~ Anonymous

[vintx]

72. Thanks for posting that

[haikugal]

81. There it is!! ^^^TRUTH^^^

[puffy socks]

130. The status quo was rolling along just fine, until Bernie Sanders came along and mucked it up with hi

s crazy ideas about democracy, equality and justice." ~ Anonymous

That is so arrogant. Bernie did not pop out of nowhere and start a new discussion. Democrats have tried to get these changes for a long time. Bernie did not start this. Bernie's revolutionary ideas aren't new.
The discussion on income inequality has been going on for years.
There are days when I swear that this is really the crux of the issue. The need to get credit for a revolution when an evolution has been slowly taking place anyway.
Then when its all in place decades from now we'll get to hear all about how it was all because of Bernie from these folks. What nonsense.

[Betty Karlson]

143. Projection - now available in the flavor "arrogance"

[wendylaroux]

152. Oh YES!!!!!!!!! Spot on Scuba!!!!!

status quo days are over!!! It's like an Independence day,if you will.

[Dustlawyer]

153. No, Bernie did not invent this movement, but he is giving it leadership and a much louder voice!

The corruption is obvious, just ignored or overcome by the propaganda for many! Fox Bots are not the only ones falling for the MSM propaganda. There is also a lot of willful ignorance because people fear change.

[Scuba]

154. I agree he didn't invent it, but he's the one currently giving it the most voice.

[Dustlawyer]

155. I knew thats what you meant.

People here are a little sensitive right now. Doesn't change the bottom line that more and more of Americans are joining this movement, many because of Bernie's tireless efforts! He is a GREAT AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bluenorthwest]

6. The OP is a long time member of a community you joined 8 days ago.

That's just nasty behavior on your part.

[G_j]

12. +1

[Agschmid]

25. Yup.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

35. And yet because this person didnt get his or her way, they are bowing out of the process

and leaving it to

who?

It is clear to me now, after yesterday, that posting positive stuff about Democrats here is dangerous, and pointing out Trump voters or anti Democratic candidates will get you censored.

Now, if that doesnt change after the nomination is made, then I dont know who will be left here at Democratic Underground.

But more important than this place is America.

How many more would have died if the anti war effort ceased the day Nixon was elected or reelected?

Did liberals give up when W and the GOP clearly and openly stole the 2000 election in a variety of ways including having his brother's people disenfranchise 90,000 black voters?

Or did they organize and put Obama in the WH?


Why is NOW the time to quit and give up? Explain that to me please.

[riderinthestorm]

74. Its in his OP. Climate change essentially renders politics obsolete unless they're fierce advocates

NOW. A candidate must start on Day 1 to muscularly lead on this issue.

Electing Hillary dooms the planet as certainly as electing a climate change denier.

From the Admiral's OP

. But I feel that the number of people who are either unaware or only mildly concerned about our accelerating ecological crisis, is disturbing. So, best wishes to all. I hope we make it as a species and as a biosphere, but the odds get longer every day. 

As a lifelong Democrat (prior to this week), I will keep an open mind about changing my registration back. But my standard for belonging to a political party from now on is that it must realistically address the conservation of the biosphere.

Within 5 years, the leading edge of severe weather and environmental events will be snowballing.

You may be ok with that.

Many Bernie supporters are not and don't want that on their conscience.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

84. And your answer is to bow out of the process allowing the FAR worse candidate to take

the reigns.

[glowing]

86. They said they would bow out here.

Unless you are upset about the poster not voting for Hillary? The reality is she will probably be worse off because she will lose congress. She all but promised to amp up the wars in the ME. She certainly think fracking must continue when science says quit this crap. What isn't it that people think they are going to get under her "leadership"?

The main thing I see is the reliable older block in the Dem party deciding it's "her time" and a lot of women her age excited about one of them in the White House. And while I'd be love for a woman to represent us, I don't prefer for, essentially a republican with mild ideas on social issues, to sit there. The issues are too critical. But most that age won't really see the trauma their generation is leaving behind on our earth.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

87. Worse off, so Trump is better, is that what you are saying?

Now I was censored yesterday for pointing something like this out...

Worse off surely means we are better off with anybody but Clinton, right?

Isnt that what you mean?

[Joe the Revelator]

89. This can not be the argument going forward...'Hillary sucks, but Trump sucks worse!' it not the

best we can do.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

90. Right, so Hillary wins the nomination, lets say, what say you?

[Joe the Revelator]

92. That neither major party candidate has a record that earns my vote.

I vote for ideas, not against people.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

95. Right, this is what you are looking at then

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511859229
But I get it, you didnt get what you wanted, so what the hell.

[Joe the Revelator]

98. Again, that cannot be your argument. Fear mongering is not an argument.

And it has nothing to do with 'getting what I wanted'. As i have said MANY times, Bernie is not my first, second or third choice. It's just that Hillary is so far from what the party should be, and my own beliefs, that I can not vote for her.

No amount of hyperbole will change that.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

100. No, I get it, I do. You know you have two choices only, that one of the two

will decide who to bomb next year, who to appoint to the SC, etc.

You know that and are choosing not to participate.

The truth is the propaganda machine of Karl Rove and the GOP has worked and worked brilliantly.

Convincing people that Hillary is to be held to a standard NO Politician OTHER than Bernie can live up to.

Really amazing stuff, actually.

[Joe the Revelator]

101. Hillary has given me no reason to think she would not be as war hungry as Trump or Cruz

See, talk issues, not fear.

What has Hillary said that makes you think she's going to release the doves of peace? Quote her if you'd like.

[GoneFishin]

131. Her mentor is Henry Fucking Kissinger. She's going use every excuse she can to kill brown people,

spread democracy, and make a shitload of money for her friend Lloyd Blankfein.

[glowing]

107. Who makes law? Who would sweep in the largest Dem block ever?

Hillary or Trump? Plus, he will actually have a lot of opposition to insanity from everyone; whereas criticizing her policies will be "sexist".

[riderinthestorm]

96. As far as climate change, they're ALL bad.

If they aren't for immediate, aggressive action, we're all going to be fucked.

I have friends and family and a whole planet I love. I'll be able to live with myself.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

97. You will, good

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511859229

[riderinthestorm]

113. You seem to believe Hillary isnt as much a warhawk as them

You are very wrong.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

120. Single issue voter, i see. i dont have that luxury as I vote for others, not myself.

[riderinthestorm]

121. I'm voting for humanity.

You're not obviously.

Quelle surprise.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

122. Bullshit, if you sit out or vote 3rd you are voting for Cruz to destroy the human fucking race.

[riderinthestorm]

124. Its destroyed anyway unless they have an aggressive plan for the environment

Fucked.

[Live and Learn]

139. You mean like supporting the one that will drive us off a cliff as opposed to the one that

lines us up and shoots us?

Dead either way!

[Live and Learn]

138. +10,000 nt

[dana_b]

59. +2

and ignore is our friend.

[joeybee12]

64. 3000 posts is long time? nt

[LP2K12]

66. Really?

Post count doesn't dictate time. The OP has been here since 2002.

I have a low post count but have been here since 2012.

[restorefreedom]

67. THIS nt

[Blue_In_AK]

104. Typical.

I've noticed several in that category.

[Zorra]

7. Low post count Auto Ignore Function activates.

*click*

[JaneyVee]

23. Noticeably absent: any blame for Republicans.

[CorkySt.Clair]

88. +1

Not. One. Ounce.

Ever.

[Ed Suspicious]

26. Who the fuck are you?

[Renew Deal]

31. Why are you here?

[Dragonfli]

37. .

[grasswire]

43. your own ass is flapping in the breeze here.

....and you look ridiculous as hell.

[Codeine]

46. Jury results. i love that three of us came to the same GBCW conclusion.

On Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:13 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Don't let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out the door then.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1857529

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

unnecessary attack from a guy who's been here a week

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:32 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: When you submit Goodbye Cruel World posts, you open yourself to snark.


Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: That's less than nothing. Someone makes a GBCW post then they have to anticipate this sort of response. Leaving it.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Common expression used many times as a response when former DU'ers have issued their GBCW missive.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If anyone wants to leave in a little temper tantrum over Back Bench Bernie losing, than I say "AMF!"

This post WILL be hidden, because that's what's become of "BernieUnderground", but it WON'T be hidden with MY help!

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[SunSeeker]

58. LOL

[Cha]

140. HA!

[Number23]

141. The cherry on the sundae of all those screaming, overheated replies to that guy's post

[think]

51. You've been here 8 days and already giving shit to long time posters.....

[MADem]

118. Intermittent long time poster who has posted nearly 20% of his output in the last 3 months.

It's not like there's a history of continuous contribution, there.

This is a poster who shows up during the elections to do a little arguing, and when his team loses, he folds his tent and marches off. This time, he provided us with a formal announcement. Unless he does what real "GBCW"-ers do, he'll be back in two to four years.

[Amaril]

69. Welcome to ignore

Mr. 81 posts condescending to a long-term member with close to 4k.

[northernsouthern]

77. So witty!

That post was so very witty! A person that is a long time supporter of the party leaves and we tell them to not let the door hit them. So very deep! I am not sure if I have the education compete this this level of wit! When they drag Hillary from her mansion I will most likely hold the door open for the FBI because I am not as good at humor as many here. I am sorry, plus it is polite, even if she is getting arrested for breaking several laws from security to fraud, it would be rude to let the door hit her. But I am sure people here understand, and I understand a persons's anger at watching others voting in line with their moral conscious and not on some vague party dogma.

[BlindTiresias]

115. A winning attitude

Yeah, this will take the democratic party far for sure.

[Betty Karlson]

142. The above post was brought to you by the Clinton campaign outreach to the left program.

[Raster]

146. Sock puppet says what?

[LexVegas]

3. Bye...

[rhett o rick]

148. Your posts are still showing up on my screen. I don't need the ridicule.

Bye

[LexVegas]

149. ...

[DURHAM D]

4. .

[djean111]

11. Ah! Hillary supporter!

In the clip. Very accurate!

[rhett o rick]

147. Ridicule and derision, ah cool. You've driven off another poster. Are you guys

keeping track?

[Buzz cook]

5. I notice that your own efforts are missing

from what will cause a revolution according to you.

So I take it you intend to sit on your hands in the coming years.

[FSogol]

15. Revolution = liking something on Facebook and/or retweeting that thing someone said.

[floriduck]

20. Your reading and/or comprehension missed this in his post.

". . .I will work for progressive candidates in my region."

[Buzz cook]

28. Yes you're right

The very last line in a post about being a quitter, helpless against social forces, is about personal effort.

That's the kind of help a candidate is looking for.

[floriduck]

34. Just sayin' ;-)

[demwing]

44. I think the OP just doesn't like Hillary and her supporters

After reading your good natured post, full of enthusiasm and encouragement, I really don't understand why...

[Buzz cook]

48. Are you saying the op

is not quitting? That he or she is lying instead?

[Maedhros]

53. The only thing he is quitting is the lame-ass Party that lost its way. [n/t]

[Buzz cook]

134. Yes the best way to take over a party is to quit nt

nt

[Maedhros]

157. The Democratic Party is not the be-all and end-all of political change.

One can work very hard for change without having to subscribe to the Party's bullshit.

[Buzz cook]

158. Yes we can thank

All the libertarians and Greens for how they've changed the world.

A political party is an instrument for the exercise of power. If you want to control that power then you have to at least try.

If you don't like the bullshit then change it. Make others deal with your bullshit.

[Maedhros]

159. Partys come, partys go.

The Democratic Party establishment has made a gargantuan effort to insulate decision-making from the rank-and-file (e.g. the 2016 Primary debate schedule).

Why expend so much effort to try and change a Party that doesn't want to change, especially when a very significant chunk of its members have such fluid morality that they will condone war, torture, and corporate theft? Why not just find a Party that is a better fit, ideologically, and give them the same effort? It's much more likely to pay off.

Why is the Democratic Party so much more important than any other? Simply because it has power? Might makes right?

[Buzz cook]

160. The part has no wants.

The party is a thing not a person and it will do what ever the people who control it want it to.

By the way the debate schedual was changed was it not? Isn't that evidence of people being able to influence change?

[Maedhros]

161. Yes, and the people who control it do not have my interests at heart.

Why spend my effort trying to get people who don't care about me to change? Why not just join forces with a Party whose leadership agrees with my agenda?

[jcgoldie]

22. Maybe its a gardening revolution

I'm trying a new method of raising watermelons this year using heavy gauge wire cattle panels for the vines and supporting the fruit with used panty hose... I'm hoping these folks are right and the revolution lives on...

[Orsino]

8. The platform's not yet written.

If you're no longer gonna be on DU, fine. Hope you'll be lobbying delegates and candidates hard to get the most change we can.

[djean111]

13. I sincerely doubt that Hillary or Debbie DINO give a flying fuck about what is in the platform.

Unless they are going to go ahead and add planks for war and fracking and the TPP and such. That would at least be accurate.

[Orsino]

19. Well, it's a written commitment...

Last edited Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:46 PM - Edit history (1)

...to which enough interested party members might be able to hold a nominee.

I expect disappointments.

[demwing]

47. I expect Hillary has no sense of commitment

That lives outside of her ambition

It doesn't matter what's in the platform if the nominee has no desire to follow the platform.

[BlindTiresias]

116. Which will be pissed on before the ink is dry.

[GoneFishin]

133. Yep. That's the one thing we can count on with those DINOs.

[djean111]

9. Right there with you.

Except I don't see a "purge" - as gleefully as some HRC supporters are looking forward to that. I see a willing exodus. Really, why waste time reading about Hillary?

[YouDig]

10. How could you support "#bernieorbust" if you care about the ecological crisis?

Don't you think that a Trump or a Cruz would be a total disaster on that front, much worse than either Hillary or Bernie?

[jcgoldie]

29. thank you

The ecological crisis is too important to ignore... but if my guy doesn't win then fuck the planet I'm taking my ball home despite the fact that one side denies climate change is even real.

[riderinthestorm]

75. The planet's in its 11th hour. Voting anyone but Bernie or Jill Stein locks our planet's fate

Time is running out. Hillary’s incrementalism is as bad as climate change deniers doing nothing.

Many don't want this vote to dwell on their conscience when the planet's ecosystem begins to fail.

Personally I won't say I told you so but I'll be thinking it.

[YouDig]

80. Voting for Jill Stein accomplishes nothing. She has no chance.

It's just a symbolic protest vote. Voting for Hillary actually can accomplish less carbon emissions versus Trump. Other than the name "Green", there's nothing pro-environment about wasting a vote on Jill Stein.

[riderinthestorm]

94. Wrong. It lets a person live with their conscience

Scientists give us @ 5 years til the leading edge of severe weather and environmental events snowball irreversibly.

We have the narrowest window remaining to take immediate action.

Hillary’s incrementalism dooms the planet. She's said her big priority will be sucking up to war criminal Netanyahu and doing what Israel wants (war with Iran).
http://forward.com/opinion/national/324013/how-i-would-rebuild-ties-to-israel-and-benjamin-neta/

I'll be able to live with myself. I have friends and family and a whole planet I love. I'll know I stayed true to my love for them.

[YouDig]

105. It accomplishes nothing for the environment, which is what actually matters.

The "conscience" thing is a form of selfishness, putting personal feelings ahead of the well-being of the environment and the world. People who actually care about the environment vote to make the environment better, not to make themselves feel better.

[riderinthestorm]

112. My vote will go to the candidate pledging to make climate change their priority

That's not Clinton.

And frankly, anyone who isn't thinking similarly is the selfish one.

[YouDig]

114. Like I said, that accomplishes nothing. It's a waste of a vote.

I asked you what you thought it would accomplish, and all you could come up with was your "conscience". Well, OK, good for you, but it's no different than writing in "Elvis" because you think it would be funny, and it helps the environment exactly the same amount.

[riderinthestorm]

119. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

The planet needs a candidate who will be a leading force on aggressive climate change action.

That's Bernie or Jill Stein. Hillary’s incrementalism snd Republican climate change denial fuck us over equally.

When/if Bernie is out of the race, then yes, there's only Elvis or Jill Stein or write in Bernie for those of us who care. We're @ at that point.

I will vote my conscience oh newbie here less than 2 weeks. You don't know anything about my own personal initiatives or what I do at the local and state level.

I do though (as do others here).

Carry on

[YouDig]

123. I'm being real. If you care about the environment, then you would vote for

Hillary, because she will be much much better on that and other issues than Trump. They are very far from equal.

Go ahead, vote for Elvis, that's your right, but don't expect me or any other thinking person to believe that you're doing it because you care about the environment. You have the opportunity to actually do something helpful for the environment, and you are passing it up to throw your vote away.

[riderinthestorm]

126. That's a lie. Madame Fracking President

Is not better for the environment.

Madame TPP President will approve corporations allowed to pollute across the planet.

Madame Warhawk President will rage across the ME, destroying that region with toxic warfare causing starvation and drought.

The majority of climate scientists believe the leading edge of severe weather and environmental events will be snowballing within 5 years. There's a very narrow window left to do something.

Unfortunately Madame President has decided that her big priority will be sucking up to war criminal Netanyahu and servicing Israel's needs (war with Iran).

http://forward.com/opinion/national/324013/how-i-would-rebuild-ties-to-israel-and-benjamin-neta/

You'll own that.

Madame Incrementalism President fucks the planet as much as Republican climate change deniers.

On your head. Not mine.

[YouDig]

128. She's much better than Trump. She may not be as strong as you want her to be,

although she does have a pretty strong climate agenda, but compared to any Republican, there's a huge difference.

Not perfect, but easily better than Trump or Cruz.

[riderinthestorm]

132. Too little too late. Her plans fuck us just the same

No thanks.

[AnotherDreamWeaver]

145. I just want to say hi, and thanks for your posts.

I share much of your thinking.

[dionysus]

93. even electing them wouldn't help because congress won't pass shit. the sad truth.

[NCTraveler]

14. Soon after Sanders joins the party, you leave it. Very interesting. nt.

[workinclasszero]

16. No respect for someone thats helping Trump get elected...#Bernieorbust

Glad you are leaving.

[SunSeeker]

60. +1

[William769]

99. +1.

[Betty Karlson]

144. Everyone hell-bent on nominating Clinton is indirectly helping to make Trump president

57 % of the voters distrust her, and no candidate from either party has ever won with such dismal numbers. Should I now lose all respect for you because you absolutely insist on such a risky candidate?

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. ...

[casperthegm]

18. Excellent post

I too am disturbed by the apparent lack of awareness or concern from many Democrats when it comes to the issues that the party has come to embrace, such as fracking, no fly zones in Syria, regime change, Wall Street influence, while opposing Glass Steagall, college for all, and health insurance for all.

How did this happen and why is it ok to embrace what were formerly Republican platform issues?

[Jennylynn]

24. It started by trying to beat Republican by stealing their issues

And escalated from there.

[casperthegm]

27. How sad is that?

The Democratic Party continues to shrink (down to 29% now) and they think that adopting these issues, along with excluding independent voters from many primaries, is going to keep the party vibrant and help it grow?

[Jennylynn]

33. It won't. We Dems. are going to go down with the Repubs.

And deservedly so.

[BlindTiresias]

117. They don't care

Take a history book of any serious depth and point to a page. You will likely find an event in which an elite chose to preserve power rather than take measures to guarantee the collective survival of their people, and in the end lost it all.

[JudyM]

32. There's the million dollar question, friend.

My own take: lack of time/energy to read up. The combo of a known candidate (though not known in enough depth) and the fear of being perceived as foolish for not wanting the "pragmatist" to win... Not seeing what a con artist she is because of ear blocking to any conflicting/damning info about her.

[thebeautifulstruggle]

50. because their candidate supports it

....

[JaneyVee]

21. "Bernie or Bust" = Trump. Guess Black lives dont matter.

[Jester Messiah]

76. But Hillary is going to save the day for PoC, remember?

By driving a lot of voters out of her party, apparently. I guess that's supposed to help somehow.

[yallerdawg]

30. What you missed.

1. The United States will have more than half a billion solar panels installed across the country by the end of Hillary Clinton's first term.

2.The United States will generate enough clean renewable energy to power every home in America within ten years of Hillary Clinton taking office.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/07/26/renewable-power-vision/

We'll take care of this!

You enjoy your garden!

[Haveadream]

41. Thank you!

[riderinthestorm]

78. Fracking, the TPP, war in the ME etc ensures climate events snowball

Many scientists predict the leading edge of severe weather and environmental events will be snowballing within the next 5 years.

Hillary’s incrementalism is too little too late...

[JoePhilly]

102. + 100

[PaulaFarrell]

106. no where near enough

Now if BILL Clinton had done this, we'd be in much better shape

[Surya Gayatri]

36. "I don't know why you say good-bye..."

Fare thee well!

[Renew Deal]

38. Your "Bernie or Bust" schtick is ridiculous

But I still hate to see you leave. You've been a good DUer for a long time.

[1StrongBlackMan]

39. Though we frequently disagreed, I will miss some of your OPs; but ...

As a lifelong Democrat (prior to this week), I will keep an open mind about changing my registration back.

Might I suggest that, depending on the rules of your state, if you plan to vote in the 2018 Democratic primaries, you might wish to re-consider your registration status, if only for the state mandated registration deadline period.

[Squinch]

40. You I won't miss at all.

[Tarc]

42. Bye Felicia!

[villager]

45. You're right that it's all just "Titanic Underground" without biosphere conservation being on top

Everything else is quite literally subsumed to that, and will simply wind up as historical footnotes if we don't tend to this main task.

Odd that even self-styled "Undergrounders" have such a hard time getting that.

[dreamnightwind]

49. But now the captain of the Titanic will be a woman

To some, that is apparently enough.

Of course, not a done deal, she still has to win the primary and the general.

[villager]

52. It's odd that that's their only demand, as we head straight toward the iceberg

You'd think they'd have additional concerns.

[LanternWaste]

63. I'd maintain that pretense as well were I less educated

"It's odd that that's their only demand..."

I'd maintain that pretense as well were I less educated. Bumper-stickers, regardless of how irrational, unsupported or without measure, are all many of us have to offer.

[villager]

65. It's the only power we feel we have left, I guess. The problems seem too enormous

How can one person change a lumbering tanker's course toward its eventual sinking?

[TM99]

129. They are just rearranging the chairs

on the deck as the ship lurches ahead towards destruction. They pat themselves on the back about how good the new ones look, don't they?

[emulatorloo]

54. Gonna miss your posts! Take care.

[pampango]

55. Not sure why people quit DU for this reason. Plenty of people here criticize Obama and will do

the same with Clinton if she is president. It's not like we are the official Democratic Party or anything. Plenty of Democrats come here to comment on what our politicians are doing - praise or condemnation - and national and world events whether they are directly linked to partisan politics or not.

[rhett o rick]

56. Our only hope is to take back our party from the control of the Wealthy.

If we can't accomplish that we are lost.

[dana_b]

61. I'm sorry tht you're leaving but I understand completely

and I may be with you at the end of July.

I'm sorry that there are so may nasty people who are mean and disrespectful to you, a long time DUer.
I think sometimes the people that we choose to follow influence our own behaviors.

[obamanut2012]

62. Please don't go

[asuhornets]

68. Bye...n/t

[Tommy_Carcetti]

70. And thus endeth the era of Admiral Loinpresser.

Your exit was about as memorable as your entrance, based solely upon your screen name.

[LP2K12]

71. Hope you stick around...

We're all in this together.

[Kalidurga]

73. How to make DU a better place.

Trash bin: Hillary group

Ignore list: Most if not all Hillary supporters

Key word trash: guns, shooting (no tragedy porn for me to push a false meme), Hillary(she is dead to me)

[riderinthestorm]

79. I'm so sorry. Come hang out in the Bernie group or at JPR

[shanti]

83. we haven't left the party

the party has left us. too bad more people can't see this.

[haikugal]

85. Thanks for your two cents, worth much more than money.

Come and join us.

http://jackpineradicals.org/content.php

[Fairgo]

91. Good points all around

But the most important is biosphere preservation. I recently attended a health care issues round table. Very insightful, leaders in the industry and policy describing the way forward. At the end they fielded the question, "What issue will effect health care the most?" Again, very cogent answers, as long as you ignore anything outside of the health care field and its stakeholders. All of these great minds, a room full of academics, and no one brought up climate change. I thought it, and I am sure others in the audience did as well, but politically it would have been a major faux pas to mention that the queen and her court were wearing non-existing garments.

As I walked out, it occurred to me that HRC's and the DNC are similarly attired.

[Fumesucker]

109. "politically it would have been a major faux pas "

Being right too soon is socially unacceptable.

Bernie is so obviously right on so many things that it simply isn't socially acceptable to mention in polite company. He rips the babbling nonsense of the M$M and the Very Serious People apart and the establishment is having the mother of all conniption fits over it, fainting couches and smelling salts all around, stat.

[Fairgo]

110. Yeah you right

Cassandra got a bad reputation for pointing out the obvious.

[TBF]

103. Didn't see this initially

because of course I have this forum blocked. Re "I will work for progressive candidates in my region and cultivate my garden". Right there w/you. Take care. #BernieOrBust

[jack_krass]

108. You should stick around...

[BainsBane]

111. democracy's "last stand"

is overturning the results of popular elections (through an indictment) to put the guy you want in power.
Who cares what the electorate wants. It's all about you.

You obviously have no idea what democracy means. It doesn't mean the electorate is required to do your bidding. It doesn't mean the only acceptable outcome is your choice. In fact, that view is profoundly anti-democratic.

[ismnotwasm]

125. K&R

For the obvious reason

[MFM008]

127. A number of us

Support her and wont be taking our ball and going home.

[Sheepshank]

135. So you're not really walking out the door

You are just not posting.

Hmmm, that op was just weird

[Loki]

136. Bye

[Walk away]

137. Hoping for "a leaked FBI recommendation for indictment of Hillary based on her private email server"

What a Democrat!

[brooklynite]

150. "Just walk away Renee"

"You won't see me follow you back home
The empty sidewalks on my block are not the same
You're not to blame"

[Tarc]

151. Do you need change?

[felix_numinous]

156. Our community has been ruined here

I hope not permanently, but I have enjoyed sharing it.

[kgnu_fan]

162. kick