Clinton supporters, some friendly questions about our present position and moving forward.

[NCTraveler]

1) Does Sanders have any path to the nomination on his own merits?
2) If you answered no to #1, isn't it time to move onto the general? We don't need Skinner to do so.
3) If you answer yes to #1, please show the path.
4) Sanders is a Democrat. If he has no path to the nomination, isn't it time to move on?

I'm trying to find reasons not to move on. I simply see no path for Sanders on his own merits. I believe that GD is open to discussion about Trump and Clinton outside of primary discussion. I don't think we need anything from Skinner to do this. I think we already have that right within the rules of the board. I believe that is where our focus should be. I'm not saying we shouldn't be promoting Clinton in the upcoming states.. Just that it's time our overall focus move to our next objective. Not as much actively going after Sanders. It looks to me like our first objective is complete and I'm not sure why we shouldn't continue our promotion of Clinton while shredding Trump as our PRIMARY objective at this point.

Is it time to stop actively highlighting negative aspects of Sanders career? Is it time to stop contrasting Clinton and Sanders?

[Loudestlib]

1. Move on from what? You were always a Hillary supporter.

How about we let all of the voters have their say without trying to discourage people from participating in the process.

[NCTraveler]

2. "Move on from what? You were always a Hillary supporter."

That makes no sense as a reply to my op.

I have not always been a Clinton supporter in this primary. To this day I think O'Malley was our best choice. I am strong in Clintons camp and have always supported her as a person. My support of O'Malley was in no way anit-Clinton. No doubt about it.

Your reply still has nothing to do with my op.

Not one word of my op discouraged anyone from doing anything.

You seriously couldn't have read it.

[Loudestlib]

3. I read all your post.

I rarely find anything of value in them but I read them.

"It looks to me like our first objective is complete"

Post like yours attempt to crate a narrative that the primary is over and people should just move on. I am saying let the process play out. If Hillary and Sanders can't survive being attacked during the primary then they are not ready for the general election.

[NCTraveler]

4. " I am saying let the process play out."

The process will play out under the thoughts I have presented. It would truly do nothing to the process. The primary will continue. I did not and have not called for it to end.

"Post like yours attempt to crate a narrative that the primary is over"

As for who will be nominated, it is over. Once again, the process will continue. I haven't called for it not to.

"If Hillary and Sanders can't survive being attacked during the primary then they are not ready for the general election."

I don't see where I said either one can't survive being attacked. Clinton hasn't only survived, she is running away with it.

All of your comments go against what I actually said in my op. It still seems as though you are replying to something you haven't read.

"I rarely find anything of value in them but I read them. "

That made me smile. Thank you.

[1StrongBlackMan]

27. I think I see the problem here ...

You asked:

Clinton supporters, some friendly questions about our present position and moving forward.

The respondent heard:

[div class="excerpt"]Sanders supporters, Why don't you just give up and move on?

It's a reasonable mis-hearing.

[NCTraveler]

5. The lack of responses here has left me with a big grin.

The fight will rage on. I'm in it with you my friends.

[brooklynite]

6. I think many of us HAVE moved on...

...but since we're not Skinner, there's still a window for pro-Sanders people to repost blogs about how Sanders can still get superdelegates to flip, or how Clinton will get indicted, or.....

[Fumesucker]

7. There aren't any actual Trump supporters here to tease, trashing Bernie is fun

Mostly because there are BernieBros here to annoy, belittle and discourage.

No one loathes the left more than pragmatic moderate centrists, in some ways I got more respect on Discussionist than I do here, never had a post hidden on Discussionist despite telling them a lot of stuff they didn't want to hear. I think the jury system over there may be more honest than the one here.

[NCTraveler]

9. I don't get your mentality.

This place is ninety percent Sanders, they trash everything Clinton, and you make it out to be Sanders people being picked on.

I find it to be mind boggling how an overwhelming majority attempts to make themselves out to look like victims. It's like republicans talking about affirmative action.

"I got more respect on Discussionist "

That I easily understand.

"I think the jury system over there may be more honest than the one here. "

To some that is absolutely the truth.

[Fumesucker]

10. When I first came to DU George W Bush had a 90% approval rating

And DU was a refuge from the conservative onslaught, it hasn't been that in a long time and the recent amnesty made it quite clear that following rules is for losers.

Now we've got posters with a visible transparency page telling us how we're all brethren and sisteren.

I may have fallen off the turnip truck but it wasn't this morning.

[NCTraveler]

13. I got a hide for Calling the Pope a bigot. Alerter said I was offending Christians.

When you first joined that would not have happened. I have other hides for attacking right wing trolls. That would not have happened when you first joined. We both know the jury system is broken. The change was necessary. We have posters supporting both candidate with visible transparency pages. Once again, it's like republicans discussing Affirmative Action. Ninety percent of the board is supporting one person and you are trying to claim it is unfair to that ninety percent. Glad I don't have to make that argument.

I have yet to see an argument by a Clinton supporter that voting should mirror land ownership. I have seen Sanders poster after Sanders poster make that argument.

"DU was a refuge from the conservative onslaught"

And before this primary, it still was. Overall, it still is.

It's overwhelming which side is posting Fox News link after Fox News link. Going to Judicial Watch like it is an old friend. It's not the Clinton camp attacking from those angles in most instances.

[Fumesucker]

14. DU hasn't been a refuge since Jan 20, 2009 and "It's only one prayer"

Suddenly DU was full of conservative Rick Warren defenders, it's really only been downhill since then. If Clinton gets elected we all damn well know that she could nuke Tehran and there is a group here who would claim she was just giving the Iranians the gift of freedom.

[NCTraveler]

15. I haven't and wouldn't defend Warren.

Funny enough, my hidden post about the Pope contained an old link from DU about RW. Right there alone you and I are closer than you want to admit.

Clinton will not be nuking Tehran. A little secret known by Obama, Clinton, and most of those paying attention; the youth in that country are changing it. It's not small what they are doing. It will take decades. WTF. Nukes. That's your argument?

[Fumesucker]

17. The youth are changing Iran but they'd better damn not try that revolution shit here...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/democratic-debate-which-enemy-are-you-most-proud-of/

Cooper said to the debaters, "You've all made a few people upset over your political careers. Which enemy are you most proud of?"

Hillary Clinton: Well, in addition to the NRA, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, the Iranians. Probably the Republicans.

[NCTraveler]

19. You got to nukes from there and are laughing at me. Impressive. Nt

[Fumesucker]

22. Hillary has used the word "Obliterate" regarding Iran..

Youth changing Iran good, youth changing the USA bad, that's pretty funny.

[bigtree]

8. Sanders is still running a primary campaign, of sorts

...I'm not really campaigning here, just sharing my obsession for all things political and all things election. The primary continues and so does my interest in reading and posting here.

I'd guess there are still plenty of folks looking to discuss developments in the campaign, albeit from the perspective of their choice in this race.

I'm sorry, but mobilizing isn't what I'm looking for here. You'd think it was confrontation, judging by the responses to even the most innocuous posts about Hillary, but if you knew how many people I have on ignore right now, you'd realize that I'm just looking to mostly share with fellow Hillary folks.

[Orsino]

11. More condescension, please. n/t

[NurseJackie]

16. I'm sorry, we're all out of condescention...would you like some snark instead? It's gluten-free! :-P

[Beacool]

12. No, he doesn't have a path to the nomination.

Hillary has accumulated almost triple the pledged delegate amount that Obama had in 2008. He was only ahead by 102 pledged delegates at the end of the primaries. Obama and Hillary were very close in pledged delegates and the popular vote. Hillary is far ahead of Sanders on both counts.

Having said that, Sanders has a right to remain in the race until all states have voted. Just as Hillary did in 2008. It was important for her and her supporters to give them the chance to vote for her. 2008 was the first time in our history that a woman was on every state's ballot and people got to vote for her. She made history and she will further crack that glass ceiling by winning the nomination. I only hope that she can fully break it by becoming the first woman to win the U.S. presidency.

As for what Hillary will do from now on, she started on Tuesday. She is pivoting away from Sanders to the general election. This means no attacks on Sanders and a focus on Trump and the Republicans.

[Prism]

18. Because bashing the Left is what Establishment loyalists enjoy most

I've been here over a decade. There is always, always, always a group on the Left that certain quarters love to go after. Of course, that whipping boy changes over the years. It was Dean supporters way back, then it was LGBT people for nearly five years, now it's BernieBros. No matter the November outcome, there will probably be some new group. Or maybe just BernieBros for the first term or so. They're convenient fodder (no one gets mad when you bash white people and men).

It's unsurprising because it is always. the. same. people. bashing the Left.

Hippie punching is a DU tradition, and right now, GDP is where that's at.

That's why your buddies won't "move on." This is the purpose and how they derive enjoyment.

Clinton's merely the current reason for the season.

Even when the General campaign gets going, I guaran-damn-tee, a lot of discourse and vitriol will not go Trumpward. All of Hillary's travails and failures will justify fresh rounds of Left-bashing.

I'd put money on this, actually.

[NCTraveler]

20. Looks like a pretty lopsided fight around here.

Seems the Clinton supporters, as unbelievably outnumbered as they are here, want to keep fighting through every state. I think it's admirable. Seems Sanders supporters want the same.

No hippy punching.

[Prism]

21. Only because you wish to see it as such

For every Clinton supporter who was railed, I could point to a Sanders supporter who was also hounded and constantly on time-outs.

And do note, no prominent Clinton supporters were tombstoned, while two very popular and prolific Sanders supporters were on flimsy pretexts.

For every Bravenak on Clinton's side, there's a Cali on Sanders.

I honestly think both sides have given as good as they've gotten. I don't see either side as special victims.

[NCTraveler]

23. Those seem to be the issues important to you.

Some seem desperate for some kind of purge. In all of my time here, outside of one instance with a group of posters, I have found that "purges" are self determined. Just about everyone booted worked their ass off for it.

Once again, I see no importance.

And I wasn't aware of cali. That's a shame. She repeatedly viciously attacked me with her words this primary season but for a long time we were great. Hate to see something like that because of overexhuberance during the primaries.

I'm not big on it right now outside of blatant support for other parties. Not my board. Not my rules. It does seem as though DU is going to undergo drastic changes after the primaries.

[Prism]

24. The LGBT community would deeply disagree with you

I know you're LGBT (I think?), but before you came to DU, there was actually a purge of LGBT DUers. LGBTers were harassed, hounded, over-modded, and run off. And then the admins came down and tombstoned 7 in one fell swoop before picking off a few others shortly after. (And a lot of the posters who participated in, drove, and supported it are still here to this day - all now totally all for LGBT equality the entire time, of course. Weirdly, they're mostly Clinton supporters. I suspect maybe not homophobia is the cause, but simply they like Team Democrat more than they care about issues. Seeing Dem politicians the same way a basketball fan would view LeBron James).

The admins actually fessed up and apologized for it after a year or two, but by then the damage had been done. LGBT used to be a thriving subforum. It never recovered.

So, I have no truck with anyone lusting for purges, which is what a lot of the pleas to "call it" are all about. People who want to talk about Clinton and the general election have multiple forums on which to do so without disruption, if that is truly their sole desire.

[NCTraveler]

25. That is the one I was referencing.

I really think you agree with me more often than you will admit right now. It's unfortunate.

[Prism]

26. We probably do agree

But "fighting through every state" has a different connotation for me. I've been here through many elections. Some posters are just jerks and disruptive. It has nothing to do with Clinton really. Or the primary. Once the site goes fully supportive of the nominee, you'll see. It won't end.

It's just sports fans throwing beer through the stands.

It's why, after 11 years, I've only 5,000 posts. It's wearying and pointless. I'm only here to rubberneck and read a few articles 90% of the time.