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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:05 PM

Hillary should have Bernie as a running mate.

It'll unite the party, and maybe give the Republicans second thoughts about impeaching her.

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Reply Hillary should have Bernie as a running mate. (Original post)
hedgehog Apr 2016 OP
BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #1
maxsolomon Apr 2016 #52
B Calm Apr 2016 #84
BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #86
Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #2
brooklynite Apr 2016 #4
still_one Apr 2016 #40
Unicorn Apr 2016 #67
Jitter65 Apr 2016 #20
Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #3
AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #5
Unicorn Apr 2016 #68
DURHAM D Apr 2016 #6
Orsino Apr 2016 #7
karynnj Apr 2016 #49
Orsino Apr 2016 #73
karynnj Apr 2016 #75
Hiraeth Apr 2016 #8
JanetLovesObama Apr 2016 #9
whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #10
artislife Apr 2016 #18
rickford66 Apr 2016 #12
arcane1 Apr 2016 #26
morningfog Apr 2016 #28
livetohike Apr 2016 #79
morningfog Apr 2016 #81
PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #44
redwitch Apr 2016 #76
B Calm Apr 2016 #85
NCTraveler Apr 2016 #11
La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #13
artislife Apr 2016 #17
La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #19
artislife Apr 2016 #21
La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #22
okasha Apr 2016 #59
Reter Apr 2016 #87
okasha Apr 2016 #89
TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #74
La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #82
TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #83
nc4bo Apr 2016 #14
LonePirate Apr 2016 #15
artislife Apr 2016 #16
hedgehog Apr 2016 #24
Fairgo Apr 2016 #64
artislife Apr 2016 #69
Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #23
PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #46
winter is coming Apr 2016 #25
cwydro Apr 2016 #27
northernsouthern Apr 2016 #29
LexVegas Apr 2016 #30
firebrand80 Apr 2016 #31
winter is coming Apr 2016 #58
yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #32
Skwmom Apr 2016 #33
Marrah_G Apr 2016 #34
jamese777 Apr 2016 #35
KingFlorez Apr 2016 #36
sofa king Apr 2016 #37
okasha Apr 2016 #41
sofa king Apr 2016 #42
okasha Apr 2016 #50
sofa king Apr 2016 #60
okasha Apr 2016 #62
demwing Apr 2016 #47
Ino Apr 2016 #38
Joob Apr 2016 #39
demwing Apr 2016 #48
LonePirate Apr 2016 #55
Amimnoch Apr 2016 #43
okasha Apr 2016 #65
Punkingal Apr 2016 #45
Corey_Baker08 Apr 2016 #51
oldandhappy Apr 2016 #53
aikoaiko Apr 2016 #54
yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #56
Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #57
Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #61
2banon Apr 2016 #63
Unicorn Apr 2016 #66
bigwillq Apr 2016 #70
Pastiche423 Apr 2016 #71
Snotcicles Apr 2016 #72
PoliticAverse Apr 2016 #77
Mike Nelson Apr 2016 #78
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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:06 PM

1. She should go with someone older

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:51 PM

52. i see what you did there

and I like it.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:09 AM

84. They are almost the same age.

 

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Response to B Calm (Reply #84)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:14 PM

86. My point exactly

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:07 PM

2. I think the HRC group at DU is united behind loudly opposing that concept.

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:10 PM

4. ...as is the Sanders group

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:29 PM

40. As are Hillary and Bernie

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:24 PM

67. +1

 

I am very against that.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:46 PM

20. There, you have it. nt

 

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:09 PM

3. No. I still wouldn't vote for her.

 

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:11 PM

5. what's in it for him?

 

he'd be more influential as a Senator

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Response to AgerolanAmerican (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:25 PM

68. He'd be part of the war party. NO NO NO NO NO

 

And she will probably reserve the post for someone coming from the corpratocracy - and it would actually be fitting.

Of course she might go for the war party - in which case, Cheney would likely accept.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:13 PM

6. Absolutely not. He should stay in the senate

where he will be more valuable for the Democratic agenda.


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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:13 PM

7. GOPers must be terrified at the thought of trying to impeach her...

...with Sanders out of the Senate? Or something?

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Response to Orsino (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:28 PM

49. Are you intentionally missing the point -- if it is HRC/Sanders and they win, who becomes President

if HRC is impeached and removed? The VP they want less.

In reality, even if a Republican House impeached her, there is no way the Senate would vote to remove AFTER SHE WON BOTH THE NOMINATION AND GE. It would be incredibly easy to say the country did not want her removed.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #49)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:37 AM

73. Yeah, I don't think the possibility of impeachment is relevant. n/t

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Response to Orsino (Reply #73)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:37 AM

75. I certainly do not think potential impeachment will play a roles in her

Decision. Most experts have said any legal action is unlikely. That does not mean what she did was right and she says it was a mistake. If she wins the election, the country is saying that it is not reason to keep her out of office.

I think impeachment pretty much overwhelms government and 2017 is unfortunately likey to be more like today than the placid 1998. In 1998, we learned that "high crimes and misdemeanors " were whatever Congress thought they were. I can not imagine that 67 Senators would vote to remove her - though that is the threat implicit in the op which suggested that Sanders as VP would make that vote even less likely.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:19 PM

8. I doubt it.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:19 PM

9. HELL NO !

 

I honestly do not want to ever see his face again as long as I live. I hope he loses his Senate seat as well. Good riddance !!!

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Response to JanetLovesObama (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:23 PM

10. That seems like a sentiment only a RWer would have

No wonder you love Hill.

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:44 PM

18. +100000

 

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Response to JanetLovesObama (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:27 PM

12. Are you saying you won't live long?

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Response to JanetLovesObama (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:56 PM

26. Too bad. Progressives like him, conservatives hate him.

 

Good to know which side you're on.

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Response to JanetLovesObama (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:01 PM

28. DU is not the place to advocate against a Democrat losing his Senate seat.

 

In fact, it is dangerously close to a violation of the ToS.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #28)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:51 AM

79. Really? But it is a place to advocate voting against the Dem. party when

Hillary is the nominee. Besides, Sanders will not be a Democrat after the election. So Independents are fair game.

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Response to livetohike (Reply #79)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:27 AM

81. You are wrong on several points. Bernie is going to remain a Dem, so you can't advocate against him.

 

And until we have a nominee, posters can say whether they will or will not vote for a theoretical nominee. And even once we have a nominee, posters can say they won't vote for the nominee, but cannot advocate or encourage their loss.

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Response to JanetLovesObama (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:57 PM

44. I'm not a fan of Hillary.

But I wouldn't say I want her out of the Senate if she decides to go back. I'll admit I don't want Chelsea in politics if only for the fact that I don't want another Dynasty being created.

Bernie has done a lot of good in the Senate for the common people, vets, etc. I can't believe how incredibly spiteful you're being. Do you care about the common people or what?

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Response to JanetLovesObama (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:41 AM

76. Gee maybe he'll lose it to a republican.

You'd be thrilled!!!

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Response to JanetLovesObama (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:10 AM

85. I now have my first poster on ignore! Congratulations

 

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:24 PM

11. I would love to watch them go head to head in a 5K. lol.

 

Bad NCTraveler. That's just mean.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:28 PM

13. no. she should pick someone younger. i still think Julian Castro is the likely VP nominee

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:44 PM

17. Gosh, that would be like the film negative of the Ted/ Carly ticket.

 

Both not worth watching.

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Response to artislife (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:45 PM

19. yeah they are exactly ted and carly

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #19)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:46 PM

21. Pretty much

 

This Latina isn't impressed with Castro.

You know how I feel about that woman.

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Response to artislife (Reply #21)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:47 PM

22. we all exist to impress you. a person who confuses hillary/castro with ted/carly

 

should not be one whose opinion counts for much.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:59 PM

59. Truth.

Here's another reason such an opinion is worthless.

Castro offers us the chance to pry
Texas out of the Republicans' claws and deny them the White House at the same time. We can win without Texas: the Rs cannot.

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Response to okasha (Reply #59)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:37 PM

87. Texas is staying red this year

 

The better choice is for her to pick Cory Booker.

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Response to Reter (Reply #87)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 02:22 PM

89. And you know this how?

Texas is a minority majority state. Trump will find no support among Hispanics, AAs, LGBT's or women in general. Republican women will vote for Hillary in significant numbers. So will some Republican men. Julian can help make that happen. Cory Booker would be strong, but he wouldn't have the appeal of a very popular Texan.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:45 AM

74. Castro is not ready yet. He's being forced like the Reps propped up Rubio. And we know that outcome.

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I am leery when an institution or set of institutions try to force a candidate or policy.

There is generally one or more ulterior motives involved.


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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #74)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:58 AM

82. he's been a mayor and held a cabinet level position

 

not sure why you think he is unready to be VP, but i think he will be fine.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #82)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:05 AM

83. Just as he is likable and presents well on TV, there is a poorly hidden subtext of slickness. nt

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This needs more time to reveal whether valid nor not.

Rubio and many of the other GOPers/Dems seemed credible, they deflated once placed under a long-term microscope.


A hard sell is being done with Castro, and the amount of TV time he gets is sending the warning flares up.


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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:38 PM

14. Ewwww.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:41 PM

15. I would support this if it indeed pisses off both candidates' supporters here on DU.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:43 PM

16. This may be the dumbest post of the day.

 

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Response to artislife (Reply #16)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:50 PM

24. I try.

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Response to artislife (Reply #16)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:44 PM

64. Sometimes people will say something that reveals they missed the point entirely

One can only stare at their mouths in wonder...why would the world make a hole like that and put nothing in it?

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Response to Fairgo (Reply #64)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:03 PM

69. *snerk.

 

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:49 PM

23. Bull SHit

If Bernie doesn't get the Nom we will need him in the Senate even more than we do now!

It would been a strategic move on Clinton's part to bury Sanders in that dead end position and be forced to knuckle under to her RW agenda. But I think he has more integrity and moral judgment than that

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:00 PM

46. It would also be an attempt.

To try and FIRMLY destroy the strength of Vermont as a state that supports a real Liberal agenda.

Bernie's been a big pusher of Worker Owned Cooperatives and I echo that sentiment. Mondragon is PROOF Worker Owned Coop's can be very successful and BURY GE and other shareholder owned companies.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:54 PM

25. She won't choose someone who's better with crowds than she is. n/t

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:57 PM

27. He's 74, so, I'm thinking she'll go with someone younger.

She'll have to balance the ticket a bit.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:03 PM

29. No.

 

I don't want Bernie to be in her corrupt cabinet. If that did happen you would get the largest standing ovation from both sides if Hillary did get impeached.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:03 PM

30. ...

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:05 PM

31. I'm sure she has a folder of unused oppo-research

That would convince her that would be a bad idea

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #31)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:57 PM

58. If she had a folder of unused oppo-research, Corrupt the Record

wouldn't be spending $1M on paid trolls.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:06 PM

32. the thought of that makes me puke

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:07 PM

33. No. His reputation would be left in tatters.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:12 PM

34. Nah- he would be muzzled if he became VP

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:12 PM

35. The Vice Presidential Nominee

should be someone from a battleground (swing) state that has a lot of electoral votes in play. There should not be two Senior Citizens on the ticket, especially with the likelihood of a Republican being next in line to become president as Speaker of the House.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:14 PM

36. Absolutely not

I don't see how that could possibly work out.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:20 PM

37. I would rather see him grow his faction in the Senate.

The United States is only a few rules changes away from a Parliamentary-style government in which Social Democrats can finally have a powerful voice. Look at how influential Sanders' run has already been on Hillary Clinton's own positions. He has given her the luxury of tacking to the left somewhat, instead of trying to out-crazy the crazies.

Joe Biden is the guy we want at VP no matter what. He's been an outstanding President of the Senate, moving that position from ceremonial to powerful, and more powerful the closer the margin in the Senate. We'd be fools not to let him keep the job if he wants it.

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Response to sofa king (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:30 PM

41. The United States

is a whole freaking Constitution away from s Parliamentary system.

Jayzus!

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Response to okasha (Reply #41)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:40 PM

42. Nope.

Our Speaker of the House can wind up being a coalition leader, just as a Prime Minister often is, if some rules changes relax the two-party hold on Congress. The President's cabinet could easily be made up of Members of Congress, for it is the Senate that consents to their appointment and they can simply deny non-Members (as they often did in the 1800s). That in turn would make the Cabinet much more like Ministerial positions. Some of those departments, like the Department of Justice, are largely autonomous and outside of the President's control already.

Much of the President's power is delegated to him by Congress, though changing that now would require actual changes to the law rather than simple changes of rule and precedent.

Our system grew organically from the British parliamentary system, which is also just a few rules changes away from moving away from two-party rule.

Edit: I should add that Congress already is made up of coalitions. The Republican Party is being devoured from within by the Tea Party, while the Democrats also include independents such as Bernie Sanders and semi-independent parties such as Minnesota's Democratic Farmer-Labor Party.

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Response to sofa king (Reply #42)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:39 PM

50. Go read the damn thing.

Separation. Of. Powers.
Checks. And. Balances.

You do realize that such a schema would have given Obama a Republican Cabinet for the last six years. Or do you? Is that something you would find desirable?

BTW, I'm inclined to favor a Parliamentary system. It tends to get rid of incompetents more quickly. But a half-assed hybrid would be just that--half-assed.

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Response to okasha (Reply #50)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:06 PM

60. Ever heard of the "Kitchen Cabinet"?

Why, do you think, would Andrew Jackson have to refer to an informal group of advisers rather than his Constitutionally-appointed cabinet, hmm?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchen_Cabinet

It's because in the 1830s Congress decided that Andrew Jackson was a dangerously unstable mass-murderer who routinely exceeded his authority. So they ran the fucking government themselves and left Jackson alone to burn down what little he could with executive authority.

He killed the Central Bank, and a lot of Indians, but not the United States. Because Congress wouldn't let him.

On November 1, 2005, Harry Reid threw the Senate into closed, executive session for less than two hours and scared the Bush Administration shitless. Nobody knows what Reid said but from that moment forward Bush's second term was a never-ending expose of the Administration's crimes, and rather than declare a terrorist alert every time it happened, as they had been doing, they sat back and took it like bitches, and forever lost the White House for the GOP.

Your separation of powers and checks and balances is an illusion. Yes, it exists but the three branches of government WERE NOT created equal, at all. Only Congress has legislative, executive, and when it wishes, even judicial authority (see the Court of Claims). Republicans in Congress are too stupid to know how much authority they could have, if only they understood what their jobs were. It can all be changed, virtually overnight. Our precious Constitution allows for it.

Only convention keeps things as they are.

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Response to sofa king (Reply #60)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:23 PM

62. Jackson was a dangerously unstable mass-murderer.

But the remedy for that is impeachment or threat of same, cf. Nixon.

"The Republicans are too stupid" is a dangerous underestimation. Corrupt, yes. Stupid, no. Smart enough to hold both houses of Congress at the moment and to hold civil rights of all varieties hostage.,

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Response to sofa king (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:06 PM

47. I don't know where this "Keep the Veep" meme came from

 

but its not serious, IMO.

Do you think Hillary wants to be compared to Obama? Only when she's pandering for votes! If she gets into office she'll wash the White House clean of the slightest scent of Obama's legacy, that means Biden gets retired ASAP.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:22 PM

38. It will not unite the party. (nt)

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:24 PM

39. Uh, I would still not vote for her, Hell if she was VP for Bernie I'd probably not vote for him

uhh yeah, I keep thinking about it and if Hillary was Bernie's VP it'd make me question some things

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Response to Joob (Reply #39)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:16 PM

48. People seem confused

 

A lot of the drive behind the Bernie or Bust movement is disgust with Hillary. "Bernie or Bust" rolls off the tongue, but a more fitting name would be "Hell No, Hillary!"

If Bernie were to pick Hillary as his VP, I'd do a bloody spit take all over GDP.

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Response to demwing (Reply #48)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:55 PM

55. Those same people would have supported Joe Manchin if he was the one running against Clinton.

I don't think it was ever about the issues for them.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:50 PM

43. Secretary of the Treasury.

 

Place him where he can do the most with what he's good with.

As a VP pic, he'd likely be seen by many of his supporters as selling out, and frankly I think he's got too much to offer for a VP position.

However, make him Secretary of the treasury and let him have at it. Use him where he's strongest, and I suspect that would be the one position where he wouldn't be seen (by many at least) as selling out to Clinton, and would be a good move for Clinton to show how serious she is on the financial side.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #43)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:21 PM

65. After the way he's mismanaged his campaign?

He'd be as bad as Trump of the four bankruptcies.

Not just no. Hell, no!

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:58 PM

45. It will never happen.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:50 PM

51. I Agree He Would Have More Power To Enact Policies He's Advocated In The WH As Opposed To The Senate

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:52 PM

53. gag, no

Bad both ways. He won't stop talking and she won't listen. We need him in the Senate. She needs someone obedient.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:54 PM

54. As a Bernie supporter, no.



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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:56 PM

56. no.

n/t

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:57 PM

57. I don't think Sanders would be better in the VP Slot than as a Senator.

I feel the same way about Warren. If we do retake the Senate, we will need all the reliable votes we can get there.
VP's, other than breaking a tie in the Senate, are just advisers, in most cases.
Cheney, of course, was powerful, but that is unusual in our system. Through most of our history, VP's were there only to break ties and in the event that the President dies. Truman, for instance, had no idea what was going on until he had to take over.

I think that people who claim they will not vote for Clinton would not change their mind if she tapped Sanders as a VP candidate.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:12 PM

61. Noooooooooo...

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:25 PM

63. No, and No. and No Again.

 

No Hillary won't and should not have Bernie as a Running Mate for very obvious reasons.

No, that cynical ploy will not unite the party.

No, Repukes will go full bore regardless.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:23 PM

66. No she should not. If he EVER worked for a corporate bought out WARHAWK

 

it would destroy his image.

I would never support him again if he did that.

That would not bring in the Bernie supporters.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:08 PM

70. No. Two senior citizens shouldn't be on the same ticket.

 

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:48 PM

71. Good god no!

I think you need to go and lay down for a spell.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:56 PM

72. Bernie would feel as out of place as a NASCAR fan at the Million Man March. nt

 

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:43 AM

77. Not happening. n/t

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Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:48 AM

78. Rebuplicans would go after them both...

...but I think Bernie should be included in prospective VPs. Most likely people will say she needs to have a youthful balance - but, while older, Bernie can be said to provide youth. If not as VP, he should be involved. His supporters should be given a voice, too.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:04 AM

80. Fuck no.

If Bernie were to accept that post, that'd smack of nothing less than rank betrayal. How are you going to fight the war and capitalist machine in one breath, and then lay beneath the front of the steamroller in the second?

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:38 PM

88. Vermont's not a swing state

He's not part of any demographics we need to vote for us. He can't get corporations to give us more money. And he's from a state that supplied all the murder weapons in NY last year. Not gonna happen.

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