2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumJonathan Capehart on MSNBC tonight: Bernie Sanders is out of his mind!
Capehart also stated that "African Americans put a block on Sanders' revolution."
That's a very interesting statement.
What do you make of it?
He was also quite adamant that AA support for Clinton exists BECAUSE she is expected to preserve Obama's legacy.
If you find video of this on Hardball before I do, please post it here.
jfern
(5,204 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)I only wish he knew how funny he was!
grasswire
(50,130 posts)He sure does love the camera.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)They just cannot find enuff dirtballs to put on MSNBC...
Armstead
(47,803 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Him too
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I used to like him, but I will never forget that ham-handed hit piece that he never even retracted, much less apologized for. And the inane Twitter posts that went with it.
ETA: And the inane followup piece.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)And Tweety just lets him blather on.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)whathehell
(29,096 posts)Just curious.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)And when Capehart was proven wrong he blathered instead of retracting and/or apologizing.
ETA: This, IIRC, is the blather:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/02/13/bernie-sanders-and-the-clash-of-memory/
whathehell
(29,096 posts)Yeah, I get it..He's a turd.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Capehart ran hard and wild with it, and refused to ever apologize.
TM99
(8,352 posts)And Clinton, Brock, and her supporters hear and elsewhere not only tolerated it but encouraged it.
Unfuckingforgivable!
2banon
(7,321 posts)as I say in another post, she learned well sitting in the watergate committee hearings. filed it away for a later day...
and that day has arrived for her, first in 2008 against Obama, did not hesitate, she went full bore, and now. same ole playbook.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)adolescence.
As long as it is for MY team, who cares if it is despicable, vile, and dishonest.
whathehell
(29,096 posts)I remember...He really seems to dislike Bernie..I don't know why.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)whathehell
(29,096 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)That hack is so full of shit he could be a Christmas turkey.
Yes, indeed, he is one of the AA that actively lied to put a block on Sander's revolution.
Pay attention to that my friends. When either Trump or Clinton fucks the AA even more, he is one of the little turds we can thank.
What Obama legacy? Drone stikes? Violations of the 14th Amendment? The insurance mandate? The TPP? What exactly has he done for the AA community? Has he promoted economic justice through his love of Wall Street? Has he promoted social justice with any actual DoJ intervention with policing in this country?
Fuck no.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Righteous rant.
riles me with his self-righteous lying and Brockian smearing.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Fuck this model of selecting candidates. I am Audi 5000.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)David Brock, I guess.
2banon
(7,321 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)And Blumenthal Sec State.
2banon
(7,321 posts)or other.
but damn it we're foretelling the nightmare right before us.. why does it feel exactly like it did when Bush/Cheney got selected. ?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)More wars
more graft
more lies
more drama
more special interests
more oligarchy
more .... all of it.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Well Cheney will be too old so perhaps Jeb Bush again.
dchill
(38,562 posts)We can vote for her husband. We won't have to hold our noses, though, because we'll all be wearing atmosphere masks.
frylock
(34,825 posts)dchill
(38,562 posts)It's just a logical progression, which is not humor-based.
2banon
(7,321 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)favorite phrases.
I always laughed as a boy when he said it. Now I am righteously ranting myself.
2banon
(7,321 posts)Stealin'!!! <3 <3 <3
He would have approved.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)quite get why (I find the argument that Bernie doesn't care about blacks to be bullshit).
As far as Obama's legacy, any dem would preserve his legacy. I happen to think Bernie would have done an excellent job building upon that legacy. oh well. another primary done with. good riddance.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)...and I need the clip to remember what. I was in the middle of making egg fu yung.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)And how will we ever grow as a democracy if we aren't allowed to criticize a president?
That's what totalitarian, repressive societies do.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)That article and African American members on congress lying about Sanders turned off the black community because they thought he was lying about protesting in 1960s. And couple that with the media lying about Sanders and his supporters being racist white men turned worked.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)but I was so disappointed and sad with that episode.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)that will never be removed. History will not be kind. And the Clintons will not be able to keep from criticizing Obama once they get back in control. Bernie, on the other hand, would paint Obama's legacy in a much more favorable light. Obama would have been credited with bringing forth an "enlightened" period under a President Sanders. It would build on the more favorable portions of Obama's legacy.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)to help themselves. anything they can blame on him rather than her as SoS will be done, for sure.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)are often on the level of reflex. She can control her image most times, but sometimes she doesn't.
liberal from boston
(856 posts)Love this video of a young AA female supporter taking on a Clinton Strategist. http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-supporter-slams-cnn/
Vattel
(9,289 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)aren't ya?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... Obama has been an outstanding President by any standard.
Having said that ... the RW hates him and makes up all manner of nonsense to attack him. And much of that is racial driven.
Meanwhile ... there is a segment of the left who also dislikes Obama. They predicted double-dip recessions because of him. They said he'd never end DADT. Said he'd never raise taxes on the 1%. Said he'd cut Social Security. Said he'd invade Iran. Said he'd never leave Iraq.
But he did all these things and more.
He even brought unemployment down from about 10.2% to around 5%.
But a segment of the left still hates him. And they hate Clinton. And love Bernie.
I suspect that some African Americans notice.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)I voted for Obama and registered people to vote for him. You do realize don't you that there are Black Americans who do not support Obama?
The Oligarchy LOVES their identity politics. Anytime you don't go along with a corporate agenda you are either a racist or a sexist.
And using it as a tool ensures that racism and sexism will be with us forevermore.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I want to hug that man's neck (an expression I heard in my childhood, and remember doing so to adults while they held me in their arms).
I believe he's one of the best human beings who's ever held the office.
I also believe that in our current system you have to be a corporatist to get there.
ETA: And dear God I appreciate him. He didn't have to do it but he did. I'm mad at him for a number of things but I love him. By Heinlein's definition and also by emotion.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)I suspect that some African Americans notice.
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)And then she stopped saying that.
PragmaticLiberal
(904 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Try faux journalist. I didn't like Capehart before the election. Everything he writes about is to curry favor with the powerful and connected. He's a wanna be that is more interested in cocktail party weenies than he is in doing honest journalism. His vacuous views do not interest me in the least.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)His partner works for her.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)and don't care. He is a nothing. Sorry to be so blunt but he just rubs me the wrong way.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)That is Capeheart.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)On Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:18 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Journalist?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1861167
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Remarking that a gay person is "only interested in cocktail party weenies" is slyly bashing his sexual orientation.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:25 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think the alerter is either trying too hard to be offended or is trolling this poster.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Wha?
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alert is paranoia, didn't read it that way and doubt it was meant that way
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: That's quite a reach.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)about wienies. However, I have heard a lot worse, so, I just did a MEH and made note of the commenter's handle.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Please see my historical references of when that phrase was used further down in the thread. The phrase has nothing to do with being gay. I dislike Capehart because he kisses up to power instead of holding them accountable.
Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)thanking you for that other interpretation, but, the thingees said I had already posted it. Which I hadn't, it was confused. Hadn't really thought about those damn little sausages. Which, I must admit I do like the cheese and the smoked ones. I think Capehart is a twit. I made the remark on his fb page that he was only there because of his bf. Now, I cannot comment on his posts which is ok, because I defriended him and all the rest of the MSNBC hacks.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Glad you got to see where I got that phrase and see that it had nothing to do with being anti-gay because I'm sure in the hell not.
That glitch you experienced has happened to me too? Strange.
Pleased to meet you by the way. and very happy you told off Capehart too.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)especially since there was more than that to the post. But I now see your point.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)of a lot of persons on the Washington circuit that could share that tidbit. It does make some sense. When I first read it, I surely did think it was in reference to his preference. Only because I had not heard of your explanation. Hey, there's so much info out there, no one of us can take it all in.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)You dumped them in a fondue pot along with some bbq sauce and washed them down with martinis.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)I did a quick search and found these old posts that talk about the cocktail weenie crowd. I wish I could have found the very first one Jane used. It was hysterically funny.
http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2006_02_26_archive.html
https://shadowproof.com/2006/03/31/george-bushs-favorite-democrat-running-scared/
And this one is more recent referencing Jane Hamsher
Anonymous3:27 PM
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)about Capehart acting rather strange when he talked to him.
So let's make the focus on preserving Obama's legacy rather than focusing on bettering the lives of so many minorities that are living in poverty, being poisoned by drinking water, sending their kids to schools with mold and rodents, and being shot, killed and terrorized by a militant police force. Yeah, that makes perfect sense to me.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Capehart and others were willing to smear private citizens and employ horrific antisemitic tropes against Bernie Sanders. The admins here joined in on Capehart's attack on Danny Lyon. I do not respect that at all.
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Spot on.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)It took about two days for Berners to "convince" Skinner that there nothing to the crap Capehart was smearing on the walls of the M$M.
I don't think Skinner realized that all he managed to do was point out the effectiveness of Swiftboating, even *he* was fooled by a fairly transparent lie.
So much stuff has gone down this primary that it took Bluenorthwest to nudge my memory on that one, I remembered the thread but not the specific topic until he mentioned it.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)Will the bully pulpit on that issue remain empty for another 4-8 years?
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Peregrine Took
(7,417 posts)Apparently hasn't recovered from his embarrassing gaffe.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)LexVegas
(6,114 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Still doesn't mean I think he's a journalist.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Just idle curiosity....
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I guess I'll have to wait for the clip. I was busy in the kitchen.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)He said Bernie was out of his mind to call for Hillary to ask his supporters to unite, not himself.
peace13
(11,076 posts)If she wants something she needs to ask for it! She needs to answer some questions if she needs help. Pretty simple. The tactics she has used may have gotten her more votes but not enough votes to win. Face it.
Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)Was difficult to stomach. Was never a big fan of Capehart, I now have contempt for him.
Gothmog
(145,666 posts)There are good reasons why the demographics are not working for Sanders and why many voters including some African American voters are not supporting Sanders. Demographics are important in that this explains one of the big divides between Sanders supporters and Clinton supporters. There is a vast difference in how Sanders supporters and Sanders view President Obama and how other Democrats view President Obama. I admit that I am impressed with the amount accomplished by President Obama in face of the stiff GOP opposition to every one of his proposals and I personally believe that President Obama has been a great President. It seems that this view colors who I am supporting in the primary http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-sanders-obama_us_56aa378de4b05e4e3703753a?utm_hp_ref=politics
On one side of this divide are activists and intellectuals who are ambivalent, disappointed or flat-out frustrated with what Obama has gotten done. They acknowledge what they consider modest achievements -- like helping some of the uninsured and preventing the Great Recession from becoming another Great Depression. But they are convinced that the president could have accomplished much more if only hed fought harder for his agenda and been less quick to compromise.
They dwell on the opportunities missed, like the lack of a public option in health care reform or the failure to break up the big banks. They want those things now -- and more. In Sanders, they are hearing a candidate who thinks the same way.
On the other side are partisans and thinkers who consider Obama's achievements substantial, even historic. They acknowledge that his victories were partial and his legislation flawed. This group recognizes that there are still millions of people struggling to find good jobs or pay their medical bills, and that the planet is still on a path to catastrophically high temperatures. But they see in the last seven years major advances in the liberal crusade to bolster economic security for the poor and middle class. They think the progress on climate change is real, and likely to beget more in the future.
It seems that many of the Sanders supporters hold a different view of President Obama which is also a leading reason why Sanders is not exciting African American voters. Again, it may be difficult for Sanders to appeal to African American voters when one of the premises of his campaign is that Sanders does not think that President Obama is a progressive or a good POTUS.
Again, I am not ashamed to admit that I like President Obama and think that he has accomplished a great deal which is why I do not mind Hillary Clinton promising to continue President Obama's legacy. There are valid reasons why many non-African American democrats (myself included) and many African American Democratic voters are not supporting Sanders.
I understand why Sanders supporters dislike talking about demographics but the fact remain that Sanders supporters tend to not like President Obama and that dislike affects the amount of support that Sanders is getting from certain demographic groups.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)He also was disappointing to me on a number of levels. The TPP and the equivalent in Europe are disasters in the making. Obamacare should have provided a pubic option, and laid the groundwork for single payer down the line. In stead it did just the opposite by further embedding private insurance, and forcing people to buy coverage they cannot afford. He should not have flirted with the GOP on Social Security "adjustments."
Those issues have nothing do do with the fact that is he is an AA.They also affect working people of every color and ethnic heritage.
It's a damn shame this primary could not have been about all the issues.
Gothmog
(145,666 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Sanders is not Obama, and neither is Clinton.
Other than the TPP and free trade crap, I can't think of anything Obama did that Sanders wanted to roll back on. He wanted to build on them, just as Clinton claims she wants to.
peace13
(11,076 posts)We worked like dogs for Obama and we support Bernie. Many people do. Obama supporters lived through the smear campaign by Clinton and came out on top. I can't imagine anyone forgetting those days. This campaign has been no different for Bernie. I support President Obama. I may not agree with everything he does but I support him. If I have a problem with him it sure as *ell isn't because he is black. It is childish to think that people will always agree over the course of eight years.
That being said, people who discount Bernie's activism have serious problems. Individuals either believe in equality or they don't. He has clearly demonstrated that he does. I wretch when I see the video with Hill saying that 'We need to bring them to heel!" That my friends is disgusting, unforgivable and an ingrained problem.
Gothmog
(145,666 posts)Many Obama supporters do not trust Sanders to preserve President Obama's legacy and that hurt Sanders
peace13
(11,076 posts)He hit back at his supporters pretty early on. Everyone knows that he is not perfect. Likewise they understand that the job before him was huge and the people he was left to work with were difficult. The speed with which history is rewritten does not warrant worry about legacy. I think most Obama supporters are smarter than that. Just because we hear it in the press does not make it true. Maybe we are bitter too..did they say that?
Gothmog
(145,666 posts)The attacks on Obama by Sanders explains to a large degree one of the reasons why Sanders failed to win the support of POC and other groups who support Obama. I am not a POC but I am a supporter of President Obama and Sanders' attacks played a role in my vote and support.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)He made a few hypothetical statements.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/10/martin-omalley/fact-checking-martin-omalleys-claim-bernie-sanders/
MisterP
(23,730 posts)and jail for MJ?
BECAUSE IT SURE SOUNDED LIKE HE DID
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)but I gotta go to bed. Plus I don't like throwing up just before I go to bed.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)And I forgot it until now.
He said that Bernie, in his speech wasn't talking about we Democrats. That Bernie did not consider himself to be a Democrat and was trying to TURN DEMOCRATS AGAINST THEIR OWN PARTY!!
AND THEN........he said that Bernie did not say "We Democrats" or "You Democrats" but that Bernie said (in essence) "DEM DEMOCRATS"!! In other words, he said that Bernie slurred Democrats.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)He got caught swiftboating and still lies about it.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Capehart is pure scum.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Maybe they are right...who knows?
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)he wins.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Leading a fight against civil rights and police abuses, leading the fight against baking their planet, ensuring they have a right to freedom from being spied on, stopping sending their sons and daughters to stupid wars and foreign adventurism, trying to end mass incarceration and militarization of racist police depts?
Oh the horror?
Stop and think... if their is one person who is likely to cut and run for political expediency... it is not Sanders.
But whatever Hillary is the nominee now. Enjoy your cake.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)We need to listen to one another and stop trashing each other, otherwise we will have a hard time moving forward. Capehart is angry with Sander's for Sander's irresponsibility. To say to the people that HRC must reach out to his supporters as if he has no responsibility in it is radically foolish. HRC did not make that demand to then Senator Obama, it was her job to bring her supporters to Obama and she worked harder than anyone to do it. Sander's abdication is wholly negligent. Hence Capehart's statement "He's out of his mind".
grasswire
(50,130 posts)yes, that's what led to Capehart saying that Sanders is out of his mind.
But the mood of Bernie supporters is NOT GOING TO accommodate him asking them to repudiate everything they are fighting for. If he asked them to unite, there would be more chaos than there is now.
Hillary can move to the left to attract progressives. Or she can move to the right to attract never Trumpers.
Or she can lose the GE.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)People like yourself are first to demand that she change, then you turn around and question her integrity for that change. She's winning by 3.1 million votes, Sander's is the one who should change.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)You aren't listening to Sanders.He is being honest. It's not about him. If Clinton wins it's up to her to earn the votes of his supporters by incorporating the issues he has been advocating for into her platform -- AND, more importantly walk that talk if she gets into the WH.
She did not have to, because most of their differences were personal, not policy or basic message. And she did not do it solely out of unselfish service. There were behind the scenes quid-pro-quos....I don't think you'll see Clinton appointing Sanders as Secretary of State over many more qualified possibilities.
UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)Where are the lies?
No lies found!!!
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Or call Skittles for you.
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 29, 2016, 02:36 AM - Edit history (1)
He assumes the success of the revolution is based solely on the election, for two.
He is mistaken. It's also more dirty tricks to create the illusion that to be for Bernie is to be against black people.
The dumbest lie yet.
moriah
(8,311 posts)He's pretty clearly a Hillary supporter blogger, and hasn't done much to make her look good, given Photogate.
I don't see his opinions as carrying a great deal of weight, nor do I see him as any sort of insider to think his opinions might be more than just that.
peace13
(11,076 posts)The outrage that would ensue! Well, Jonathan's check will be in the mail. His work is done!
Vinca
(50,318 posts)Prior to this primary, I had a great deal of respect for him, but my opinion has changed dramatically.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)First he makes up stories. Then he says he didn't. Then he makes up more stories.
Guy sounds psychotic.
Setsuna1972
(332 posts)I couldn't have said it better myself . Bernie has lost it big time, and the mixed messages from his campaign only makes things worse !
Trajan
(19,089 posts)I just lost you, big time ...
I must have pressed some kind of button or sumfin ...
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Capehart tried to smear Bernie with a lie and as far as I can tell, he never received any sanctions from either the Washington Post or MSNBC. He doesn't really even pretend to be a real journalist. He is a Clinton campaign operative in all but title.
For those who aren't old enough to remember, Janet Cooke is a former Washington Post reporter who won a Pulitzer Prize for an article that turned out to be entirely made up. She resigned and her Pulitzer was withdrawn.
http://jclass.umd.edu/archive/newshoax/casestudies/journalists/JourJim3.html
MisterP
(23,730 posts)ever stop and think that their entire worldview has been created from thin air by highly discredited journalists and researchers? that not one plank of the Clintonite platform is based in reality?
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)It is impossible to reconcile the Krugman of this 2014 interview with Bill Moyers with the one from this primary season.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Too many, I'm sure.
dchill
(38,562 posts)appear with a hazardous waste symbol overlay on the screen.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)randr
(12,417 posts)The emergence of Black Lives Matter is one consequence that I am not so sure he wants credit for; and I see BLM as a positive force that came about in serious times of need.