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[Adrahil]

1. Go to hell, Debbie.

Potential juries... I am speaking about the video, not the poster.

[BootinUp]

2. Are we to understand this as a call for voting 3rd party?

[Maru Kitteh]

11. That's exactly what this video is, a call to run 3rd party.

[BernieforPres2016]

29. I thought she spoke very clearly

You weren't able to understand it?

[BootinUp]

36. where did I say I had watched it? Keep up the good snidefest!

[rock]

66. BSers!

Ignorant all the way to the end. OK, so I cleaned it up.

[BeyondGeography]

3. Stupidity is a bad habit.

[tokenlib]

4. May Debbie be truly blessed for speaking her heart..

..what a wonderful young woman.

[LexVegas]

5. Is that HA Goodman?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. She's stating the obvious and it's too true. K&R

It's also obvious that the "Love It Or Leave It" wing of the party on DU doesn't like it.

[tokenlib]

7. Freedom of speech should be celebrated..

..not mocked..

[mythology]

34. Nobody is mocking the idea of free speech

Just the stupidity of the content of that speech.

[tokenlib]

37. Stupidity is your opinion..n/t

[Maedhros]

51. I'm laughing at the 'superior' intellect. [n/t]

[CrowCityDem]

8. That's unintentionally right. She's not the lesser, because she's not evil.

[rhett o rick]

48. Her support of the Iraq War was not nice.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. I refused to be lectured by privileged white women.

[insta8er]

10. You rather vote for one? :)

[SciFiRK]

12. Ooooooh! Burn

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. She doesn't lecture me.

I find the argument that the left of center vote be divided which will result in a Trump presidency odious, repugnant, and vile. She will have her white privilege to fall back on while our Hispanic and Muslim brothers and sisters will be fed to the wolves.

[Lazy Daisy]

31. Then why vote for such a flawed candidate in the primary?

I keep seeing this "if you're white and don't vote for Hillary you're a racist" in many threads. My question is, why?
I shouldn't have a choice and not be labeled by it, when that label has absolutely nothing to do with my choice?
Frankly, African Americans came out strongly for President Bill Clinton and how'd that work out? Just sayin'



Hillary has been a flawed candidate from the start. Her unfavorables are off the hook. She's being investigated from the FBI under a Democratic administration. Why is the Democratic party going with a chance at losing?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Nobody is saying that

"if you're white and don't vote for Hillary you're a racist"

Nobody is saying that but if you have proof to the contrary please post it..

Hillary has been a flawed candidate from the start. Her unfavorables are off the hook. She's being investigated from the FBI under a Democratic administration. Why is the Democratic party going with a chance at losing?

Yet political experts:

Insiders: Clinton would crush Trump in November

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-november-insiders-222598


and the Predictions Markets give her an excellent chance of winning:


http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-winner#Link3



Any way, that wasn't my point. If you are Muslim or Hispanic Trump presents a mortal threat to you. They don't have the benefit of white privilege to hide behind.

[Lazy Daisy]

39. See post #15

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511863634

And there are many, many more. Too many around here equate a non-vote for Hillary with racism.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. I read it and I don't believe it says what you suggest it says.

Saying not voting for HRC makes one racist is patently inane. It's stupid!

What I am saying is that Trump presents a mortal danger to Hispanics and Muslims. Even though the courts will hopefully block his fascistic plans he will create a climate where they feel marginalized, vulnerable, and alone. Not doing what one can to prevent that from happening screams white privilege.

[Lazy Daisy]

47. Racism, white privilege

same same

So why is it only thought of as white privilege to support Bernie and not Hillary?
I find this whole argument lopsided and insulting. Which I suspect lots of people do.

And there are those, including the woman in the video who equate Hillary with that same mortal danger. The only difference is in what country that danger takes place.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. Straw man argument

Racism, white privilege

So why is it only thought of as white privilege to support Bernie and not Hillary?
I find this whole argument lopsided and insulting. Which I suspect lots of people do.

That's a straw man argument and consequently a logical fallacy.

I am not suggesting white privilege motivates one to support Senator Sanders. I am suggesting not opposing Donald Trump does though.

And there are those, including the woman in the video who equate Hillary with that same mortal danger. The only difference is in what country that danger takes place.

If you don't believe a President Trump presents a mortal danger to our Hispanic and Muslim brothers and sisters there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.


I am watching hundreds of protesters protesting a Trump event. They obviously get it.

[Lazy Daisy]

64. No strawman

You're purposely avoiding.

You say Trump is a danger....I say some believe Hillary to be SAME danger.... does not equate to ME denying Trump is a danger.

Let's please go back to WHY so many here suggest that not supporting Hillary is racist, or exhibiting white privilege as you say.

[insta8er]

46. So she is privileged yet does not lecture you? Ever wonder what the grease is in the cogs of these

privileged people? (not only the white or female ones). Let me tell you what it is, it is power peddling, and money..cold hard cash. That cash comes from somewhere, if you did some research you would find out how you are contributing to that dark channel of power peddling and the grease that keeps those wheels turning. Every time you see so much month at the end of your paycheck left..start thinking about this and how the fruit of your labor is being used to work against you by the very people you adore. But I understand that putting your head in the sand and pretend like none of this happens makes for a more comfortable live. Ignorance is bliss!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. Please go lecture somebody else. I did post grad work In Government*

"if you did some research...But I understand that putting your head in the sand and pretend like none of this happens makes for a more comfortable live. Ignorance is bliss!"

Thank you in advance.

Oh, I would be remiss if I didn't wish you a happy weekend.






*not bad for the son of a ninth grade drop out who became a stevedore at the age of fifteen.

[insta8er]

53. Seems like that post grad work didn't amounted to anything. Have a good one!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. Ad hominem attacks are the sine qua non of a weak argument.

Have a lovely weekend.

[insta8er]

62. In contrast to not being able to parse an argument while claiming intellectual superiority.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

67. You claimed to have some inside knowledge

You claimed to have some inside knowledge that if I was aware of it I would come to the conclusion that a Trump presidency is preferable to a Clinton one or at least just as bad.

I know Trump is a xenophobe, nativist, sexist, misogynist, anti-semite, and racist. It would take a lot of heretofore unavailable information for me to believe his presidency would be anything but an abomination.

[insta8er]

68. Clearly that is not what I was eluding to, but don't worry..you didn't want to be lectured.

because you know it all.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. Interesting turn of phrase from someone who began our conversation with this

Interesting turn of phrase from someone who began our conversation with this

Clearly that is not what I was eluding to, but don't worry..you didn't want to be lectured.
because you know it all.

So she is privileged yet does not lecture you? Ever wonder what the grease is in the cogs of these

privileged people? (not only the white or female ones). Let me tell you what it is, it is power peddling, and money..cold hard cash. That cash comes from somewhere, if you did some research you would find out how you are contributing to that dark channel of power peddling and the grease that keeps those wheels turning. Every time you see so much month at the end of your paycheck left..start thinking about this and how the fruit of your labor is being used to work against you by the very people you adore. But I understand that putting your head in the sand and pretend like none of this happens makes for a more comfortable live. Ignorance is bliss![[/b

[insta8er]

72. Yes I clearly say that Trump's presidency is to be valued over the anointed corrupt one. As you

point out in my own words (not). Whereas I actually only point out the weakness and how the corruption that your candidate is contributing to, indirectly is affecting you. But yes, somewhere I must have said that Trump was better...sorry about that...I guess your higher intellect wins again.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

55. Hillary will be starving and fending off wolves?

Poor dear.

[tokenlib]

15. +100 no one knows privilege like Hillary

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. Please see Post #14 . Thank you in advance.

Have a lovely weekend.

[Zynx]

21. You are missing the big picture due to Hillary hatred

A Trump presidency results in the revocation of basic rights for about four-six million Muslim Americans and a human rights atrocity for immigrants.

This petty bullshit is annoying.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. Because they aren't Muslim or Hispanic.

Of course, the courts will stymie Drumpf's worst plans for them but his presidency would result in a climate where they felt marginalized, alone, and vulnerable.

It would be akin to the treatment of German Jews during the period in Germany between Hitler's ascension to power in 1933 and the passage of the Nuremberg Laws in 1935. There were no specific laws against them during that time but Hitler had created a climate where they were marginalized.


Of course, the woman in the video will have her privilege to hide behind.

[tokenlib]

38. Putting the blame for Trump on a non-Hillary vote is stupid..

..If Hillary can't convince through her record or positions..its not the voters fault if they choose as a matter of conscience to vote for someone else

[Zynx]

43. I will place blame on those who slander her by indulging in fictionalized

depictions of her and ignore her very considerable merits just because they fell head over heels for another candidate.

[tokenlib]

61. Fictionalized?? Really??

Over two decades of a Clinton track record, over two decades of what the Third Way has done to the Democratic Party... There is plenty to judge Hillary on.

[Zynx]

63. Except her detractors only focus on about 4-5 negative things and ignore

absolutely everything else. There's far far far more good than bad and any objective liberal would see that.

[Katashi_itto]

13. But your voting for one.

[azurnoir]

16. well unless they're Hillary?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Please see Post #14 . Thank you in advance.

Have a lovely weekend.

[azurnoir]

22. oh I see does she speak to you then?

PS neither of them lecture me but Bernie does speak

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Please see Post #24. Thank you in advance.

Have a lovely weekend.

[azurnoir]

26. link it I entertained your search this thread thing once

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Certainly

Because they aren't Muslim or Hispanic.

Of course, the courts will stymie Drumpf's worst plans for them but his presidency would result in a climate where they felt marginalized, alone, and vulnerable.

It would be akin to the treatment of German Jews during the period in Germany between Hitler's ascension to power in 1933 and the passage of the Nuremberg Laws in 1935. There were no specific laws against them during that time but Hitler had created a climate where they were marginalized.


Of course, the woman in the video will have her privilege to hide behind

[azurnoir]

44. we were not speaking Trump though it was who lectured who Hillary or Bernie

and I find it curious that quite continually we see Trump being projected as though he would be god-emperor of the US rather than president and as foul as his positions are, the extreme pronouncements have no chance of ever becoming law or even acted on in a serious manner, there are checks and balances in our government , same goes for Bernie and believe it or not Hillary too

that is reality

[rhett o rick]

50. LOL. Ohhhhh the irony. You will blindly follow one. A very wealthy one at that. Ohh that's why.

Is it the idolization of wealth or Authoritarian Adulation.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

52. A "privileged white woman". Like Hillary?

[PeaceNikki]

17. That woman is an insufferable twit.

[Garrett78]

19. Confession: I didn't watch the video.

But any suggestion that a Clinton presidency would do more harm than a Trump or Cruz presidency is not worth taking seriously.

I get why people are pissed off about the plutocratic nature of US government, but some have completely lost touch with reality.

[Yurovsky]

23. the future of the party is much closer to Debbie's view than Hillary's...

Young people know the corporatist wing of the party is out to screw them just as the GOP is, and that's why they love Bernie, because he wants to put a stop to it. Meanwhile, the "I've got mine, fuck you" crowd in both parties wants to make sure the status quo is upheld.

There's a reason why Goldman Sachs bought Hillary. By adding her to their portfolio, they wound up owning every viable candidate in both parties except for Bernie. The wailing and the gnashing of teeth by the HRC crowd is simply a reflection of the fact that they KNOW a vote for HRC is a vote for more of the same, they just don't like anyone shining a bright light on that unsavory truth.

If Hillary wins, the party may squander a chance for a real seismic change in American politics that would favor the party for the foreseeable future. Or we can just go status-quo HRC and continue to just toss the keys to the Oval Office back & forth with the GOP, and resign ourselves to corporate slavery for the rest of the century.

[serqet]

59. perfectly said!!!

thanks for posting great comments!

[salinsky]

27. How is it that this insufferable bore ...

... has not been hired by Salon??

[Thinkingabout]

30. Debbie and her bad habit needs to be elsewhere, we are Democrats here and the first sentence

here set the stage for nothing. This one is in the same category as H A Goodman, opinions from those are in file #13.

[BernieforPres2016]

32. We've all heard the "only Nixon could have gone to China" argument

Likewise, a Republican President would never have been able to accomplish the corporate agenda Bill Clinton pushed through: NAFTA, the Crime Bill, the Welfare Reform Bill, the Telecommunications Act, repeal of Glass-Steagall, deregulation of financial derivatives, etc. And if not for the Lewinsky scandal, you could probably add privatization of Social Security to the list.

Trump would run his mouth and act like an idiot as President. Hillary would get things done for her corporate masters. The mechanisms and network are all in place. She would hit the ground running.

[djean111]

40. And this, my friend, as you so accurately state -

Trump would run his mouth and act like an idiot as President. Hillary would get things done for her corporate masters. The mechanisms and network are all in place. She would hit the ground running.

-

Is why I cannot support Hillary.

[BernieforPres2016]

42. Why are so many people having a hard time figuring it out?

The Clinton Foundation and its ties to sleazy foreign companies (Giustra's company, The Lundin Group, etc.), third world despots and the military-industrial complex is what really scares the hell out of me about Hillary. I believe the Clinton Foundation has become basically an international clearinghouse for third world despots selling off mineral rights that belong to their people, arms sales, etc. There has never been anything like it to my knowledge.

Bill Clinton actually had to be forcefully turned down from taking lucrative speaking fees from the Republic of Congo by Hillary's State Department. Hillary had a boss then and had to be sensitive to that. What is going to happen when she doesn't have a boss?

[sufrommich]

35. I'm not sitting through that drivel. Could someone

explain to me the convoluted reasoning as to how Bernie takes it all the way to November if he's not the nominee?

[snooper2]

45. So is every video this idiot uploads going to be posted here?

Just asking for a heads up LOL

[Maedhros]

54. Hillary's evil may be somewhat 'lesser' than Trump's or Cruz',

but she would undoubtedly be much more effective in promulgating her evil than either of them.

[Zynx]

58. Good. Lord. How do you people talk yourselves into thinking this shit?

[serqet]

60. She Nailed It.....

like she frequently does!!!

Succinct and factual and puts things into perspective!

[840high]

65. yep

[KingFlorez]

70. Once again, she looks nor sounds sane

[quantass]

71. SUPERb, Debbie!! As always spot on. If no Bernie than vote 3rd party like Lessig or Stein!