FULL AUTOPSY statement on Bernie Data Breach

[JaneyVee]

Didnt he only fire 1 out of 4 staffers? And...

Can. You. Imagine. The. Freakout. If. This. Were. Hillary?

[MineralMan]

1. Suit dropped by Sanders.

End of story.

[Hortensis]

140. Suit dropped because continuing would be a

bad, bad, bad mistake. End of story.

[stopbush]

155. Suit dropped because Devine & Weaver convinced Sanders

that spending $ on lawyers would cut into their own compensation.

[cwydro]

2. Thanks for posting.

I've not seen any news on it, of course.

[Thinkingabout]

3. Interesting, Hillary nor O'Malley campaign accessed others information.

It has determined there was information exported. For the Sanders team to withdraw their law suit is a good move on the Sanders team since it would have released more information about the breach and would not result in a decision in favor of Sanders team. Guess who did not file a suit, the two who had their information breached.

[JaneyVee]

5. 11 states. Eleven!

[synergie]

67. I can't help but wonder which 11 states Bernie stole data regarding.

[Hortensis]

141. 25 separate illegal searches by 4 people,

and Sanders, instead of apologizing honestly, files suit against the DNC. From The Donald we would expect that.

[puffy socks]

8. But hillary is supposedly the one running a corrupt campaign. nt

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[seabeyond]

9. Ya know. Exactly. Nt

[Gothmog]

148. The lawsuit was weak and Sanders was going to be poured out

[Thinkingabout]

152. Frivolous, his staff was caught and they were locked out, cheap punishment.

[seabeyond]

4. So, conclusion. They stole data. Then Sanders sues wasting more DNC resources. Nt

[Lucinda]

12. They changed the headlines AND got to raise money off it too!

[seabeyond]

18. True that and paint the DNC as dark and corrupt, and smear DWS relentlessly because they stole data.

Totally fucking amazing, right? Not like all of us didn't know the truth of it. As they tell us we need to feel shame for voting for our Democratic candidate that has spent a lifetime doing the best she can, for others.

[Lucinda]

23. Yup. It was crystal clear to me....so odd that people bought into it.

But then again, I've done my homework.

[seabeyond]

32. It always comes back to that damn homework, doesn't it. Nt

[NCTraveler]

6. Four users, one hour, twenty five searches, eleven states, and downloaded information.

And one person got fired. It's was coordinated.

Clinton and O'Malley clean.

[seabeyond]

7. "Clinton and O'Malley clean." And Sanders sues. That pisses me off. As he campaigns on integrity. Nt

[JaneyVee]

10. And who knows if it was put on a thumb drive or where it is.

[NCTraveler]

11. I believe Clinton would have a solid suit here.

I don't recommend it but I believe they do against the Sanders campaign and the tech company. I think the DNC would be difficult because it looks like they at least acted quickly and appropriately.

[snowy owl]

48. A thumb drive . . . oh, you mean a flash drive.

Well, I hope you find it someday. It seems real important to you. BTW, any proof that it has been used by anybody or that it was important to anybody or that it changed the future of the nation?

[snowy owl]

49. Four people were fired. Where'd you get your information?

BTW, Clinton couldn't sue. It would have to be the DNC . . . why don't you know these things? If you're going to give advice, at least make it somewhat correct.

[seabeyond]

51. Every article says one staffer, not plural. So, Sanders sues.

[snowy owl]

80. Read these links which are neutral. Both say four. Three were recommended by DNC.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trailguide-04292016-bernie-sanders-drops-lawsuit-against-dnc-1461967648-htmlstory.html
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/29/bernie-sanders-withdraws-lawsuit-dnc-proven-correct-data-breach.html

[NCTraveler]

53. I believe Clintons campaign has grounds for a suit if they can quantify possible damages.

Glad to hear the got rid of all for of the users. My apologies for improperly stating the numbers.

[joshcryer]

106. Russell Drapkin, Hawley Brett, and Ali Nikseresht were not fired.

There was talk of suspensions, but they needed Nikseresht to run the NGP-VAN software process since he was intimately familiar with the software and is considered one of its architects. Drapkin was the lead coordinator, so he wasn't fired either. Brett is the only name that could fall under the suspension they talked about. No names were mentioned under the "suspension" language.

But certainly they picked Josh Uretsky as the fall guy.

[joshcryer]

104. They were definitely looking for something to use.

It's a good thing NGP-VAN stopped their illicit searches and locked them out, this could've been way bigger than it was.

[leftinportland]

127. Not downloaded...

Saved within the VotBuilder system...big difference

[NCTraveler]

143. You are incorrect. NH information was exported. Nt

[Igel]

132. Or it wasn't coordinated.

"Eleven states," but one computer system and one interface. I can imagine the following.

One worker--let's call the worker Taylor--tries something and finds that it's possible to access proprietary information. Wrong, but in the spirit of "my privacy is sacred, you don't get privacy" thinking that many seem to like, Taylor decided to run some searches. The thrill of forbidden fruit. Or perhaps it was personal, and he liked putting one over on the enemy. That's always righteous.

Then Taylor can't help pointing out the new-found information to three colleagues--perhaps in the same room, perhaps a text. "Hey, guys, look what I did!" The thrill of narcissism. So then four Bernisians were running the searches.

At some point somebody said, "Hey, what if we're caught?" Or perhaps they had some task to finish and realized lunch was over. Or perhaps their supervisor came in the room and said, "Aren't you supposed to be doing ________?" The fear of getting in trouble.

Suddenly one person gets fired--our "Taylor"--and you get precisely the data on which many base the claim of coordinated and intentional action by the campaign, but without the coordination and intent.

[uponit7771]

138. +1

[NurseJackie]

13. Eleven? E-fucking-leven?!

[beastie boy]

28. I wonder how many of those e-fucking-leven states went to Bernie...

Wouldn't be surprised if the number is e-fucking-leven.

[fun n serious]

14. There is A LOT of stuff like this

that happened and he then played victim

[seabeyond]

19. "he then played victim" Yes. And, still does play the victim. Even ahead of time before anything

has happened.

[sheshe2]

22. They keep playing...

[fun n serious]

26. Yes they do.

They bused in boat loads of people to different states, had " how to commit voter fraud" presentations at Caucasus and then CRY unfair closed primaries... He simply loses closed primaries because he does not appeal to DEMOCRATS.. thats it. Nothing unfair

[seabeyond]

35. I beg to differ. We are endlessly told that it is UNfair Democrats do not respond to Sanders. Nt

[fun n serious]

38. That's one way to look at it.

[snowy owl]

44. I commented yesterday at the meanness of HRC people and pointed out the graphics/comics

just like yours. How many of those do you see on the Bernie side? Ours our uplifting and supportive of Bernie. Yours constitute an in-your-face mockery of Bernie. Several of you do it. When you can show me a similar device against Hillary on this blog, I might finally believe that we are as mean spirited as you.

[fun n serious]

78. It's a cartoon

I think calling Hillary a corrupt liar and thief without evidence thread after thread is way more offensive than this cartoon. Y'all are too sensitive.

[seabeyond]

34. +1. Nt

[sheshe2]

40. You

[seabeyond]

47. I know....

[Gothmog]

149. Yep

[asuhornets]

15. GOHILLARY!!!!

[Skwmom]

16. As soon as I saw DNC Statement at the top I stopped reading. Ms. Payday Lender doesn't have a

reputation for being a truth teller.

[seabeyond]

20. Sanders steals, sues, tarnishes DWS and DNC and this is your comment? Man of integrity.

My ass.

[SaschaHM]

46. You're expecting him to blame Daddy. That's too much and frankly out of line.

[insta8er]

57. How about, DWS working on behalve of payday lenders, HRC working on behalf of fracking,banking,pharm

a etc. And you are enraged about an old socialist guy? talk about having your priorities mixed up.

[seabeyond]

60. WTF Does that have to do with Sanders stealing, Suing, and deflecting it on DWS and DNC?

[insta8er]

62. He is not deflecting anything, have you seen who wrote that piece? maybe you should try to look at

that first. Its written by the same DNC that is holding their finger on the scale for HRC, the same DNC that is run by DWS who is holding her finger on the scale for HRC. Very objective now isn't it?

[seabeyond]

66. Sanders stole data, sued DNC, painted them as evil, blamed everyone else. Integrity my ass.

[insta8er]

69. Yes you are right, he did it himself..went in there, hacked the system..etc. There are couple

of "senior" people here that you can borrow a tinfoil hat from, in case you didn't have one. Just believe the DNC since they have had such a stellar reputation when it comes to fairness..especially with DWS heading it. Whatever you need to tell yourself to make you go to bed. Sleep tight!!!!

[seabeyond]

71. Sanders people stole. Sander sued using our resource when he is responsible for his people

stealing.

[insta8er]

77. yeah Yeah..stealing...Lying...good night LOL

[seabeyond]

81. The campaign of integrity. Stealing? Meh...

[seabeyond]

87. Again, what does that have to do with Sanders stealing, Suing?

[insta8er]

91. Read this very slowly. y o u s a i d c a m p a i g n o f i n t e g r e t y....I s h o w y o u 1 3 m

i n o f i n t e g r e t y o n v i d e o. F u n n y h o w t h a t w o r k s r i g h t?

[insta8er]

86. Got to love your faux outrage, sure you don't watch Faux News?

[seabeyond]

89. Here is the insults from you, now. You guys are predictable.

[insta8er]

94. I'ts an observation and a question...it was going to be an insult if I said that you actually watche

d it.

[insta8er]

95. I bet you did not read the Bernie report on this incident right? just the HRC..eh DNC one.

[obamanut2012]

124. Nope, it's deflection

Sea is right.

[insta8er]

65. Oh and where do you get your regular "news" from? it might help in answering some of the questions

that are raised by looking at the level of knowledge about the subject matter on the side of the Hillary cheersquad.

[obamanut2012]

123. Nothing -- it's deflection like always

You are right, Sea.

[pnwmom]

113. Sanders has a copy of the full report. He is free to publish it if anything is incorrect

in the DNC's statement.

[Gothmog]

150. Do you want to place a bet on this happening?

[Jitter65]

17. Will the Bernie 2016 offer the DNC and the other two campaigns an apology? Will the media announce

the findings 24/7 as they have the unsubstantiated and mostly disproved charges of voter fraud everywhere Hillary won? Don't hold you breath!

[Jitter65]

21. What? No Alert? Surely this is "hurtful" "insensitive" "off topic"

[sheshe2]

24. Thanks so much for posting, JanyVee.

[aikoaiko]

25. Sounds like some of Bernie's staff did wrong, were busted, and someone paid the price.

[seabeyond]

36. So Sanders sues, paints DNC and DWS as evil, unfair, and waste our donations because of a suit.

[aikoaiko]

97. Sounds like they worked it out based on the DNC press release.

I know the Bernie haters are loving this but the suit stopped all the public squabbling, they agreed on a way to deal with it, and its over for the most part.

[yardwork]

121. I think that your reaction would be very different if Hillary's team did this.

Sanders ran on "integrity and honesty" and he and his campaign routinely point at Hillary as being dishonest and corrupt. There are posts from right-wing sources deflecting in this very thread.

It's disingenuous to pretend that this is nothing.

[aikoaiko]

130. You're probably right. One candidate has a different reputation than the other.

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And bad behavior of people you like always seems less bad than bad behavior of people you don't like.

I don't think this is nothing, but I don't hear the HRC campaign and DNC trying to make it any bigger than as reported. I can live with that.

[yardwork]

139. Thanks for your nice reply.

This issue has been laid to rest, I think.

[snowy owl]

76. This thread has turned into a comic book. Spin, spin, spin. I'm having some fun for a change.

[joshcryer]

107. Sounds like NGP-VAN, shutting them down, and locking them out...

...prevented a much bigger scandal from occurring.

This is a detailed overview of what they did: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251927056#post19

[aikoaiko]

131. Probably true.

[DesertRat]

27. Wow! k&r

[yallerdawg]

29. JaneyVee posting FACTS! Not innuendo. Not speculation.

And, of course, we know opinion trumps fact every time!

Won't mean a damn thing to them there...

[snowy owl]

59. Course we will. Except I got my facts from LATimes/Politicus. DNC is the defendant-hardly neutral.

I'm sure there are facts in the spin. Too bad you won't know which is what.

[beastie boy]

30. Four perpetrators. One scapegoat.

Integrity my ass.

[Sancho]

31. 1=4...more Bernie math!

[Thinkingabout]

33. Now this is a post worth bookmarking. Thanks, JaneyVee

[Blue Meany]

37. If it were Hillary? In 2008, there was a similar incident

with Hillary staff accessing Obama data. But in that case, there was no sanction taken against Hillary's campaign, whereas in this instance, they immediately cut off their access to the database, which was in violation of their contract This was one of the reasons the campaign was complaining about unfair treatment -- that and the fact that it was the DNC's contractural reponsibility to keep the data secure, and the there had been warnings from IT professionals in the past about relying exclusively on one company.

According NP VAN, the searches were not--and could not have been--saved in such a way that allowed the campaign to access the searches once the breach was fixed. The only thing that was capable of being exported for future use was the statistical summary mentioned above. This does lend some credence to the fired staff persons statement that he was doing search to document the extent of the breach rather than to use it for the advantage of the campaign.

[snowy owl]

42. Thanks for knowing that. Of course, HRC's will ignore your information.

[seabeyond]

54. No, I searched. And searched and searched some more. I found ONLY Sanders accusing Clinton of this

He stated unintentional unlike his outright theft. Snopes said they have no verification that happened with Clinton. SO, like you say four staffers where fired, and Clinton staff stole in 2008, link it.

[snowy owl]

96. I couldnt find anything either. But on Reddit a post was removed that referenced this.

So I think it is dubious. I wouldn't spread it.

[seabeyond]

45. 2008 by Sanders own words was “unintentional transmission of confidential information”, Not theft.

Snopes said it is unverified. No proof.

I googled different ways and found NOTHING, but Sanders accusing Clinton of it in 2008. Where is the information?

[snowy owl]

55. link to Sanders accusing Clinton please. I'm interested in reading. You mean Obama?

I did read that she'd done the same to Obama and DNC ignored it.

[seabeyond]

58. It is in Sanders law suit. It was his way to deflect from his own theft. So he could sue and waste

DNC money and paint them as evil because he was caught stealing. There is no verification, but Sanders, that Clinton did the same in 2008.

[Blue Meany]

93. Explanation from NGP VAN

First, a one page-style report containing summary data on a list was saved out of VoteBuilder by one Sanders user. This is what some people have referred to as the “export” from VoteBuilder. As noted below, users were unable to export lists of people.

Second, there has been independent confirmation that NGP VAN has not received previous notice of a data breach regarding NGP VAN. Josh Uretsky, the former National Data Director for the Sanders campaign confirmed on MSNBC (at 5:47), and also on CNN, regarding the previous incident: “it wasn’t actually within the VAN VoteBuilder system, it was another system.”

https://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy

[Hoyt]

39. And somehow Sanders' supporters read that as Sanders' campaign did nothing wrong.

[snowy owl]

41. Nobody said that. It was wrong and people were fired. Why do you spin it?

DNC was the defendant. They are not neutral observers. But I can accept their view. But your comment is a lie.

[seabeyond]

50. I am pretty sure I saw an Op or two saying they were exonerated.

[snowy owl]

52. He fired four. If they were exonerated, great. I sourced LA Times and Politicus.

I don't want people not culpable to be penalized.

[seabeyond]

56. They weren't exonerated as this OP shows. The OPs left that part out. I see only one fired.

I saw no article with google that all four were fired.

[snowy owl]

63. This OP not neutral-DNC was defendant; Try politicus. Try LA Times. You want spin? Try DNC.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/29/bernie-sanders-withdraws-lawsuit-dnc-proven-correct-data-breach.html
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trailguide-04292016-bernie-sanders-drops-lawsuit-against-dnc-1461967648-htmlstory.html

BTW, I didn't say they were exonerated. I said they were fired. I don't know beyond that.

[pnwmom]

114. Lots of people falsely said that the investigation vindicated Sanders,

for example, here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511866782

[snowy owl]

43. Hard to put away bad feelings when so much smearing from HRC continues and lies.

What is wrong with you people?

[seabeyond]

73. Seriously?

[snowy owl]

74. Just responding to your claim.

[seabeyond]

75. You excused/justified/rationalized theft.

[snowy owl]

83. Big words for little guy/girl. Do you know what they mean?

I don't think you do since they are irrelevant to my post. You told me that I was going to steal from you. "Sanders people steal." Didn't you?

[seabeyond]

85. So bring out the nasty card of insults..... Hey stealing? Meh. Insult? Thumbs up.

Campaign of integrity never ends.

[snowy owl]

90. I've answered every post honestly. Maybe you should read what you write.

[Fla Dem]

134. Obviously referring to the 4 Sanders staffers who stole the data.

Reading comprehension is fundamental.

[bvf]

64. Oh, give it up already.

Amnesty isn't forever.

Sheesh.

[boston bean]

68. shameful. I have lost all respect for the guy. Drop out Bernie!

[snowy owl]

72. I wonder why I don't think that's a great loss...

[Squinch]

79. Every day the creep factor grows...

[snowy owl]

82. "creep factor" - no smear or slime there.

[Squinch]

88. He stole. Then he sued to try to distract from the fact that he stole. That's creepy.

That's not a smear. That's a fact.

The guy is a thief, and nothing like the pure grandpa his followers want him to be.

[brer cat]

92. K&R

[George II]

98. "We're running a clean campaign".

[Number23]

99. Is THIS why this forum is even more panic-filled and idiotic than usual today??!

I could smell the flop sweat coming out of GDP even before fully typing "democraticunderground" in my browser bar.

The screams that Bernie's campaign didn't really, REALLY spend more money than Hillary's when every bit of evidence says he did and the folks still K&R'ing the "bbbut she's a CORPORATIST111!!" posts as if by doing so, it will overturn the fact that she is whipping Sanders' butt up and down the electorate are filling this forum and are even more laughably stupid than usual.

This OP may help explain some of that. Though it's clear that some folks are still seriously grappling with their grief too. Glad that Sanders finally dropped his absurd lawsuit against the DNC but the damage to his campaign has already been done.

[AgingAmerican]

100. Garbage OP

No link. The usual garbage from the usual suspects.

[Renew Deal]

120. What do you mean? It's an official statement.

[Renew Deal]

101. The Sanders camp committed the breach, and tried to very it up by throwing a fit

But there was never really any doubt what happened. Glad it's finally proven.

[AgingAmerican]

118. The OP contains no source

The OP is crap

[SunSeeker]

102. "a user exported a statistical summary of a search using HFA scoring in New Hampshire."

In other words, Sanders STOLE Hillary data.

[joshcryer]

103. And we still don't have the actual details of the investigation.

Because suppressing them in exchange for dropping a useless lawsuit is better for unity than releasing the details, the actual investigation, and demanding Weaver show his hand, which is an 2/7 off suit.

[jfern]

105. 4 accounts. 3 of them were the same guy who was fired.

And he was recommended by the DNC to be hired.

[joshcryer]

108. He had Drapkin, Brett, and Nikseresht's login details?

I find that utterly hard to believe. Particularly the details that Nikseresht needed to do the privilege escalation that he did before the NGP-VAN system noticed and locked them out.

[jfern]

115. I heard he created the other 2 accounts

[joshcryer]

116. I didn't hear that.

And I searched for it and it's hard to believe, given that that would mean he committed a cyber crime and he's not in jail.

[jfern]

117. The logs for the time period show the 2 accounts created

[Cha]

109. BS fired 4 staffers-Sanders camp suspends two more staffers over data breach & apologized to Hillary

Sanders personally apologized to Clinton for his staffers' actions on the debate stage in New Hampshire on Saturday.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/bernie-sanders-suspends-two-staffers-217007

Mahalo, Janey~

[Hekate]

110. Kick

Kick-ass report. --->.

[cui bono]

111. Full autopsy with no link. mmkay...

And it's a statement from the DNC, the head of which started the smearing of Sanders over this by unprofessionally going to the press rather than take the appropriate steps, and who also doled out unusually harsh and probably illegal denial of access to his own voter database. The same DNC who tried to limit debates because their/her favorite candidate didn't want them. Oh sure... anything coming out from them is a "full autopsy" and not at all biased.

In fact, we don't even know if that's actually from the DNC since you didn't bother to provide a citation/link.

What a joke.

.

[pnwmom]

112. Thanks for posting this!

[Squinch]

119. Interestingly, none of the Sanders supporters seem to be reccing it! Go figure!

[sufrommich]

122. "Can. You. Imagine. The. Freakout. If. This. Were. Hillary?"

Isn't it ironic ?

[NurseJackie]

137. They're like: "Except for the data we stole, NO DATA WAS STOLEN!" And ...

They're also like: "Not including the people who had access, NOBODY HAD ACCESS!"

[oasis]

125. If the suit was really a smokescreen, more heads need to roll. nt

[Gothmog]

126. Sanders lawsuit had no merit and had to be dismissed

[NEDem]

128. K&R

[SidDithers]

129. DU rec...

But remember. Josh Uretsky was a Clinton campaign / DNC / Illuminati agent, planted into the Sanders campaign to discredit them.


Sid

[NastyRiffraff]

133. I remember thinking

when it was reported that the Sanders campaign was suing the DNC after their own data breech, what the fuck? Read it again: the Sanders campaign was suing the DNC after their own data breech

UFB! First, let's call it by its right name: theft. They stole data from the Clinton database. Then they sue the DNC because poor, poor them...they got temporarily cut out of the system. Four users, 25 searches, 11 states, all within an hour. There is no way to sanitize that, yet the Sanders campaign sued.

[MADem]

135. The paragraph that is 3rd from the bottom is DAMNING.

Cheating. Plain and simple.

[Hekate]

136. Mmmm. Mmmmm. Mmm.

[Persondem]

142. Thank you for posting this! K & R nt

[TheRickles]

144. Where is the actual report?

This statement represents the DNC's official interpretation of the independent investigation done by CrowdStrike. Not surprisingly, their interpretation differs by 180 degrees from the Sanders' team's conclusion that the report vindicates Sanders (see an earlier DU post here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511866782)

Can anyone provide a link to the actual CrowdStrike report, so we can decide for ourselves?

[NCTraveler]

145. "going through stuff that I wasn't supposed to have access to."

[NurseJackie]

146. They can't handle the truth.

[Gothmog]

147. K&R

[silvershadow]

151. More obfuscation of Debbie-gate- the early and sustained collusion between the DLC and

the HRC campaign. (I said DLC because Debbie-gate pulled the mask off, and showed we don't currently have a functioning DNC).

[Jamaal510]

153. K&R

[JaneyVee]

154. kick.