2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDNC was correct in their response, Sanders drops lawsuit.
Audit confirms four individual accounts within the Sanders campaign accessed information on the Clinton campaign only. The Sanders campaign performed twenty five searches, targeting eleven states, and downloaded data; all directed at the Clinton campaign.
Clinton and O'Malley cleared as expected.
Sanders suit had no merit and had to be withdrawn.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)was a shock. What? Bernie STEAL and LIE, FILE FAKE LAWSUITS? No way!!!
Profoundly dishonorable from beginning to end. Bernie earns a point for for consistency, which I'll apply to his bill.
greiner3
(5,214 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a politician. It's not really Sanders I mind, although this facet is hardly one of his admirable traits.
it's his zealous followers pretending he operates on an elevated plane while they constantly trash his more-honest opponent for dishonesty. It never occurs to them that perhaps they don't just live in glass houses but are themselves glass figurines. Figuratively speaking, of course.
Number23
(24,544 posts)What in the sweet, deep fried crispy hell are these fucking people smoking???!
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Did this somehow undo the damage they said was done to his campaign?
Number23
(24,544 posts)If you've been proven "right" that you were the victim of the horrible DLC, then why drop the lawsuit you had against them and their horribleness??
JSup
(740 posts)...wafting off of his campaign smells pretty ripe; someone should probably embalm or refrigerate it or something.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)And it was Clinton and DNC's fault.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... do some damage control. Which itself causes even more self inflicted damage.
They just can't catch a break, can they?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Sanders' staff from any wrongdoing. That was obviously wrong.
I think they took the Sanders' press release -- which lied, saying the investigation exonerated them -- and didn't read any further. His supporters just took what the campaign said, without looking deeper. Of course, that is what his supporters have done on everything -- single payer, school debt, etc.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)They're also like: "Not including the people who had access, NOBODY HAD ACCESS!"

Number23
(24,544 posts)And that NO other campaign did.
But somehow, his fevered fans somehow see that as vindication and that he'd been exonerated. Apparently math isn't the only thing alot of these people have problems with.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)And have one of the most unethical players involved spinning it. Nothing Weaver says should be taken as truth.
Arkansas Granny
(32,265 posts)Could this be the reason I have received emails from Bernie's campaign even though I have never given my name or address at his website or signed up for his newsletters? Or does the DNC provide Democratic candidates with list of likely voters?
Just curious.
Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)Were you ever signed up with DFA or Move On? I've received Sanders junk a few times from both.
moriah
(8,312 posts)I suspect that I signed some petition which led to my information being found and used by anyone searching for Democrats to email.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)I get emails every day from Bernie, Hillary, and lots of other politicians - including people out of state. I've never contributed to most of them.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and the candidates (local party orgs) can have access to those names and addresses along with information about whether or not they're active voters who reliably turn out for every election. The reliable and consistent voters are the ones whose names rise to the top of the list and who are selected to receive campaign literature, postcards and mailers.
I rarely provide my full given-name or maiden name for anything unless absolutely necessary... even when donating to candidates, parties or charities.
But my full given-name, maiden name, and married last name is how it's listed on my voter registration, and that's exactly how my name appears on the flyers and postcards I receive. My best guess is that the stuff you received was obtained legitimately through your local board of elections.
"An independent investigation of the firewall failures in the DNCs shared voter file database has definitively confirmed that the original claims by the DNC and the Clinton campaign were wholly inaccurate," the campaign said in a statement.
"The Sanders campaign never 'stole' any voter file data; the Sanders campaign never 'exported' any unauthorized voter file data; and the Sanders campaign certainly never had access to the Clinton campaigns 'strategic road map.'
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Not one word of my op is incorrect.
Loudestlib
(980 posts)which became the basis for his book on Ms. Hill, he said he did everything he could to ''ruin Hill's credibility,'' using ''virtually every derogatory and often contradictory allegation I had collected on Hill into the vituperative mix.''
''I demonized Democratic senators, their staffs, and Hill's feminist supporters without ever interviewing any of them,'' he continued.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)or the book you reference, but what a fucker.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)bywho said those things isn't Jeff Weaver it's David Brock and the book is talking about him defaming Anita Hill when she was testifying at the confirmation of Justice Thomas. David Brock runs the PAC that is claiming to have worked the rules so it is OK for them to coordinate with Secretary Clinton's campaign. You have quite correctly identified him as a fucker. I have had a hard time understanding why Secretary Clinton would work with the man who said Anita Hill was a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty.
merrily
(45,251 posts)On Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:40 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
The man...
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This poster should be Tos'ed. Who is he to call a woman a "little bit slutty". Shame on him.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:44 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
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Explanation: Ummm, it was David Brock who said Anita Hill was "a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty". Educate yourself before punching the Alert button
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tonedevil
(3,022 posts)I am having a hard time understanding how my comment could be read that way. Apparently 6 people on the jury couldn't see it either.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Or not.
Hard to tell these days.
Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)Sanders camp is lying again.
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yardwork
(69,364 posts)I think that when we look back at election 2016, analysts will note that the Sanders' campaign was greatly hurt by poor campaign leadership. In addition to breaking laws and flailing around blaming everybody else, Sanders' campaign leadership created the negative tone of his campaign, which is reflected in the poor behavior of some Sanders supporters and campaign surrogates.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)from the Sanders campaign.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Sanders suit had no merit.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)unfrozen. The investigation proved that the DNC overreacted when they froze access.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Sanders dropped his suit as it had no merit.
Four individual accounts, twenty-five searches, eleven states, info downloaded.
All directed at the Clinton campaign.
Clinton and O'Malley cleared.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the lawsuit. The other data you are giving is from the DNC/Clinton campaign.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)If you or the other poster were correct, you would be able to link to something showing the suit was dismissed for the reason you claim. You can't, but that didn't stop you from doubling down, now, did it?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)two news sources that support what the post says,and what Sanders said. You, however, have posted nothing but unsupported smears.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)I know how much that must upset those whose very existence seems to depend on mudslinging lies and half truths at Sanders, but I can't help it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)The DNC had already given Sanders access and he sued anyway.
from think progress:
"Eventually, the DNC suspended Sanders access to the voter file. One day later, the DNC and Sanders came to a deal, and Sanders access to the voter file was restored.
Still, the Sanders campaign sued, arguing that the DNC overreacted by suspending their access, and had harmed their ability to campaign on an equal playing field with Clinton. Moreover, Sanders attorneys argued that the DNC broke its contract with the campaign, which stated that the DNC must give notice before suspending access to information. The campaign is seeking $75,000 in damages.
The DNC, in an inappropriate overreaction, has denied us access to our own data, Sanders campaign Weaver said at the time. In other words, the leadership of the Democratic National Committee is actively trying to undermine our campaign.
Why would the Sanders campaign now drop the suit if they were "proven" to be correct?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)pretty much treated Sanders with kid gloves thru out that whole thing. Not only did Sanders people steal, but then Sanders threw his tantrums.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)about Clinton's e-mails".
He should have let her dig her own grave on television - that way the impending GE disaaster could have been averted.
We are not sick and tired of some e-mails, but we are sick and tired of a corrupt establishment's secret deals. Some of which were in those e-mails.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)snark, and Clinton took it a different direction. That one was a classic.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)I see projection is still reaching new levels in Hill-bully-land.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)it as she did.
Take it to mean whatever way you choose to interpret.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)More lies and more spin - it's all we get from the Clinton camp these days.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)His one big mistake was using the party for media and money and then trying to steal from them on top of it. I can't imagine that endeared him to the party leadership or the supers that he keeps complaining about. Just saying...
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)insulting them if he really was looking for their vote. He didn't listen, of course.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)If the superdelegate was so thin0skinned that he didn't want to be criticised at all, I'm not surprised Sanders ignored him. That super sounds almost as delusional as Clinton's self-image.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...I want details on who did what, and who knew what when.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)released the investigation. The DNC is heavily biased for the Clinton campaign.
The reason for the firewall failing has not been determined.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Sanders dropped his suit. Had no merit. Four individual accounts were involved in the breach, twenty-five individual searches, eleven states, Sanders fired people, and you are calling conspiracy.
I don't envy the position you feel you have to argue here. Sanders and Weaver have put you in a tough spot with their campaigns highly unethical behavior.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)suit was dropped. The data you are quoting is from the DNC which is corrupted by Big Money. I believe that the Big Money behind the Clinton campaign will do anything to keep a progressive out of the WH. If the Sanders campaign is guilty of anything it's not anticipating how low the Billionaires will stoop to win.
I remember when all Democrats were against the influence of Big Money like Goldman-Sachs and the Koch Bros. but now some are embracing it. Selling out the Party to the Wealthy. When they are done we will be just like Haiti.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)you guys are so proud to side with. I bet you will rationalize future increases in jobless, homeless and poverty rates as not your fault but the fault of the bad Republicons. You side with those that are raiding our jobs, taking away our homes, send our families off to die for profits and yet you gloat. Well gloat as you will, but the People's movement will continue in spite of the pressure from the Rich and Powerful.
We are fighting to end poverty, what are you fighting for? Bigger Goldman-Sachs profits. rhetorical question.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You are promoting campaign corruption.
O'Malley and Clinton have taken the high road.
Sanders campaign. Four individual user accounts, twenty-five searches, eleven states, information exported. All directed at the Clinton campaign.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)those that are fighting for the 99%. We are fighting an honest campaign and America knows it. Most Americans recognize that the Powers That Be / Clinton campaign can't be trusted.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Weaver then sends out an extremely deceptive press release in a Friday evening news dump. He has no ethics. They dropped the suit as it has no merit. Most of us were well aware of that months ago.
Clinton and O'Malley cleared.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Weaver is trying to make a name for himself.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)country when she chose to back the Republcons in the Iraq War.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)That was the purpose of the suit and they succeeded. The DNC is an arm of the Clinton campaign and is using it's influence to buy super-delegate support. No integrity. But your Rich and Power friends will literally do anything to keep a progressive out of the WH. How can you say you support the 2.5 million homeless children when you back Goldman-Sachs and the Koch Bros. Authoritarian Adulation, I guess.
You go gloat and ridicule elsewhere, I am done with you. Bob-Bye
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)The suit was dropped yesterday.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Here's what Michelle Alexander thinks of Clinton:
― Michelle Alexander, The New Jim Crow
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Your first two sentences highlight that to even the most casual of observers.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Most Americans feel she is untrustworthy.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Black Lives Matter see it differently.
The 1994 Crime Bill that she so vigorously defended not only expanded incarceration, but stripped funding for college education from prisoners. The Clinton legacy allowed for policies that prevented anyone convicted of a felony drug offense from receiving food stamps or income assistance. Clinton-led welfare reform fundamentally ripped apart the social safety net.
Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.
A vote for Clinton is a vote for more Prisons For Profits.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)BLM not so much. Most Americans don't trust her. She did lie about the need to go to war with Iraq.
We are fighting for those struggling in the 99%, for the 50 million Americans living in poverty, for the 2.5 million children that are homeless. What are you fighting for besides larger profits for Wall Street? rhetorical
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)She stood side by side with Bush and told us Iraq had WMD. She lied when we needed her to stand up to the bastard Republicons.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)leftinportland
(247 posts)You apparently did not read the DNC press release. The search results were saved within the VoteBuilder database. There is an enormous difference between saving within a database and downloading. You either do not understand complex relational databases or are furthering this lie on purpose.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)They exported data. That is known.
ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Maru Kitteh
(31,759 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,381 posts)Eleven states. Jesus.
riversedge
(80,810 posts)Tweet
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