Millennials who support Bernie may sit out election

[MineralMan]

if Bernie doesn't become the nominee. Just like they did in 2014. I guess it will be up to the rest of us....

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

1. Fortunately, there will likely be some millenials who realize how fucking frightening...

....Donald Trump is, who didn't even vote or pay attention in the primary.

[MineralMan]

8. One hopes...

[Betty Karlson]

48. I think you guys have used that kind of emotional blackmail a few too many times.

The 20th century is over, and Clinton is camaigning as if 1999 never ended. Don't blame the millennials when they get the message and VOTE like it's 1999: not at all.

[Bohunk68]

54. +1,000 Pretty much the way I am seeing it also.

That dog don't hunt anymore. Getting too old.

[stonecutter357]

57. emotional blackmail !

[Betty Karlson]

66. laugh all you want.

I have long known about the widespread callosity in camp Weathervane.

"A lot of you may not know this, but back in those days, it was very difficult to talk about HIV and AIDS. And it was really the leadership of Nancy and Ronald Reagan that started the national conversation on AIDS."

"Oopsie, here are two flimsy twitterlines to say I'm sorry. Are you happy? Now back to me me me."

"OK, I will admit that the Reagans never started the conversation about AIDS. In fact, they deadpanned it, but let's glance over that slightly embarrassing distinction of theirs (embarrassing to me that is). You see: I lost people too. And this is still about me. Let's talk about what my foundation has done in Africa, funding treatment in homophobic countries. That makes it all right then. OK? OK? Now back to me me me me me!"

[stonecutter357]

68. emails and stuff.

[Betty Karlson]

70. Callosity rather. That is enough to never trust her.

But indeed: other parts of her record are disqualifying too.

[stonecutter357]

73. Most Admired Woman in World, Record 20th Time Gallup, December 2015.

[Betty Karlson]

74. Time is another establishment mouthpiece.

And they tend to conflate "admired" and "known".

[stonecutter357]

81. chicken , mashed potatoes and broccoli broccoli broccoli broccoli.

[Betty Karlson]

82. Yes, that makes about as much sense as: "I support Clinton"

[IdaBriggs]

18. "Fear Trump" - the #1 Answer to "I don't like Hillary."

I am ready to start counting the number of times this "inspirational leadership" ( ) is touted.

[NewImproved Deal]

29. Yeah.

The Trump Boogeyman is the Clinton Machine's "trump" card. 'It's Her Turn!' never quite caught on...

[IdaBriggs]

30. What I want to know is, if Trump is so AWFUL - a misogynistic racist crazy guy --

Why were the Clintons at his wedding? And why were they taking his money?

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=480

[Buns_of_Fire]

53. I don't think they're tremendously picky about where the money comes from.

A million dollars from George Soros, a million dollars from Chuck Koch, a million dollars from Lloyd Blankfein, a million dollars from Beelzebub -- it's all money, right? So long as the check clears, just shovel it our way, boys. Gotta pay the bills, you know.

[Betty Karlson]

69. And if Trump is so awful, why risk a weak candidate like Clinton, when you can go with Bernie -

who would bury Trump in the mother of all landslides?

[redstateblues]

79. If Hillary is so weak what does that make Bernie?

Who she is beating like a drum. He can't even win the nomination of his own party!

[Betty Karlson]

80. If Sanders gets over 64 % of the remaining pledged delegates, he WILL overtake her.

And that sounds doable, given California's tilt.

Hillary is a weak GE candidate. Sanders is just hated by the Democratic Party elite. But who cares about a couple of stuck-in-the-20th-century one-percenters?

[Amishman]

85. She is propped up by the safety mechanisms built into the process

Voter suppression via closed primaries and distant registration/party change cutoffs

insider fundraising connections

friendly media connections


I think this would be a different race if the house edge was removed.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

32. If you want to sit home and hold your breath its your right

I have no problem voting for Hillary Clinton. I don't think she's worse than Republicans like you do.

Have a nice evening.

[IdaBriggs]

34. She certainly likes to hang out with them a lot.

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=480

[stonecutter357]

58. this one is even more disgusting .

[SunSeeker]

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[stonecutter357]

62. trying to insult , it was a insult!

[silvershadow]

52. Triangulation appears to have been their only strategy from jump. We are about to

see just how far that dog hunts I suppose. "I'm not as bad as him" has never been much of a winning message, but it has worked I suppose

[Xyzse]

36. I do find him frightening but. Although, I can see some of the justifications many would use.

I can enumerate them, but I'd rather not, as it risks getting hidden.

However, if he does become the nominee, I believe it will be an important conversation to have around here.

[Fla Dem]

83. Please clarify.

Are you saying if Trump gets the Republican nomination we should have a conversation on DU on why there is justification to vote for him rather than HRC? I don't think that will happen if that is what you're suggesting.

[Xyzse]

84. What I mean by that is that we have to have a conversation why some people might vote for him.

It has to be an honest assessment. I am not suggesting voting for him, since I won't do that(not to mention that is dumb), but I can easily figure out why some would. I generally wouldn't agree with it, but it is something that people have to consider, and know. To blind oneself to those reasons would leave one flat-footed and wondering why things happened.

[Duckhunter935]

2. I never sit out elections

I will of course vote in the down ticket races. However, I am not a millennial. I am just a baby boomer.

[Democratic Divo]

3. Or are they just waiting until they're old enough to vote? n/t

[oasis]

4. Okay by me if they would just shut the hell up about it.

[NWCorona]

5. Even with all the passion, Bernie had trouble getting them to vote

This will only be magnified under Clinton.

[MineralMan]

11. They're fickle, it seems.

The rest of us will vote in their place, I suppose.

[Xyzse]

37. To be fair, many didn't realize till too late that they had to register as a Democrat.

Most of them are proud to be Unaffiliated.

[IdaBriggs]

60. When high levels of financial contributions, rally attendance and activism don't appear

at the ballot box, maybe you might want to check if there is a problem with either voter suppression or vote counting.

[Joe the Revelator]

6. It's their vote, it isn't owed to anyone. Candidates need to earn it. nt

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[MineralMan]

9. Indeed. If they're there, their vote will count.

If they're not there, their vote doesn't exist. My point.

[Xyzse]

38. Not true... Not voting is also a choice, not voting can be considered a vote of no confidence.

That counts.

[cui bono]

46. Then ensure that Bernie is the nominee if you want the millennial vote.

Otherwise you have no reason to complain. Give the people someone they can vote for and they'll come out and do it. Give them someone they can't trust or that's just going to worsen their opportunity at a good life and you can't expect them to vote for that person, not even by threatening them with SCOTUS.

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[calguy]

7. They would have sat out the election anyways

Bernie or no Bernie, if they can't vote on FaceBook they wouldn't have the commitment to make it to the pills anyway. There'll be plenty of responsible citizens to put HRC in the White House regardless if they vote or not.

[asuhornets]

10. Yep..we can do it...eom

[MineralMan]

12. Yup. I'll be there for sure.

I always am.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

13. I think a fair number of Republicans will sit out over Trump as well

I expect two things:

1) Whoever gets elected here will be a one-termer
2) Voter participation will be down compared to the past two election cycles.

Conservatives (especially Evangelicals) are energized, but Latinos will likely show up as if their lives depend on the outcome.

I expect Trump to make Rubio his Veep.

[NorthCarolina]

14. I don't think they'll sit out the election at all. In fact, I bet their numbers

will be far higher in the GE when all of the silly rules about party registration and mysteriously changing party affiliations won't be in play anymore.

Oh yes, I think they'll decidedly vote...but I suspect they will NOT vote for Hillary. They have other options available to them.

[Karma13612]

67. Yup,

that is what I am looking at as well.

If Hillary is the nominee, I might be looking at the Green party with Jill Stein.

There are more Independents now than Democrats.

You can't coerce the Independents to vote as Dems in the general if they aren't allowed to in the Primaries.

And they might just come out in full force this time to vote for Jill. And if enuf Dems join them in support of Jill, this might be a pretty interesting election indeed.

I am not sure yet what I am going to do

But one thing is for certain, I am not a guaranteed Democratic vote for Hillary if my man Bernie is not the nominee.

[NorthCarolina]

71. One thing I am sure of...

there are options available. I don't exclude the prospect of a write-in vote either.

[msongs]

15. only in the la la land is this substantially true nt

[TheBlackAdder]

16. Those Millenial Women - They'll only vote the way boyfriends do. Freeloaders who want free stuff!

.


It's amazing how shit like that comes back home to roost!


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[Demnorth]

17. If millenials

or any other group who supports Sanders doesn't exercise their right to vote, if Clinton does become the nominee, then so be it.

I do find it weird that some say they would vote republican instead, if the choices were Clinton and Trump. Time passes and things happen, who knows? Apparently some republican women would vote for Clinton if that was the match-up. There's a lot of trail ahead.

[IdaBriggs]

19. It's "establishment business as usual" versus "throw the bums out!"

If Trump starts acting Not-Crazy, he's got a damn good chance.

[Demnorth]

41. That's a big

and scary If...!

Yes, I guess that's what it comes down to, for some. Hopefully his acting skills are not up to that gargantuan a task.

[Bohunk68]

56. I'm thinking much what you are thinking.

Seen too many elections over the decades to think that the Rethuglicans are going to break up as a party because of Trump. bullshit. Come November, they will have all of their minions out there voting for their nominee. That's what Rethugs do, time and time again. Failure to see that could cost the Dems the race. It's control of the money and power. Follow the money.

[Chicago1980]

20. The Brat Effect...

I didn't get what I want so I'm going to shit on everyone else.

[jillan]

22. Aren't you a sweetheart? Were you never 21?

[Chicago1980]

24. My idiocy was expressed in other ways that had nothing to do with screwing a nation.

I don't remember having temper tantrums when I was 21, though it's possible I did.

And yes, I am a sweetheart

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

33. I was 21 when I first voted

Proudly, for Bill Clinton.

[cui bono]

49. That's not it at all. I just posted about this so I'll just copy/paste that here:

It pretty much applies though it was written in response to a similar sort of thought so keep that in mind. I don't feel like rewriting this thought out or going through and editing this since it's late...

Your post illustrates exactly what Hillary supporters do not understand about this primary.

It is not about winning or losing to those of us who support Bernie. It's not about Bernie being a winner, as it is with you guys with Hillary. With Bernie supporters it's about the movement, it's about finally having someone who is uncompromised by money, who is fighting to get back to a real democracy where the govt is of, by and for the people, not corporations. It is about getting control of our govt back to the people rather than the corporations. It's about the very soul of our country, our democracy.

You don't realize that if Hillary wins, we all lose. We will all win eventually because this primary has shown people that it is possible to dream again, it is possible to have a candidate with integrity who will represent us and so the movement will continue. It may not be possible with this two party system we have now, but if Hillary wins I'm not sure the Dem Party will survive as she embodies all that is wrong with politics today and simply does not represent the hopes and dreams of the youth. They do not identify as Dems and are registering as Dems solely because of Bernie. Many of them will not vote for Hillary because she is just business as usual and they know that does not work and has given them little promise of a decent life, what we used to call the "American Dream".

And the GOP may not survive Trump or Cruz since they are nuts. Trump is probably acting crazier than he really is in his business dealings, he loves to put on a show and be in the limelight, but Republicans hate him just as much as many Dems hate Hillary.

At a time when the two people with the lowest likeability ratings ever to run (I believe that is correct, if not the bottom two, certainly among the lowest) are the best that we have to choose from, it's pretty clear our country and our system is in a very sad state.

So I don't know what you think you're winning with Hillary when all we're getting is someone with an incredibly low likeability rating, an abysmal trust rating (deservedly so) who alienates the youth, independents, half of the Dem Party and who will never get any crossover Republican votes.

Yay!

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[DLevine]

55. +1

[jillan]

21. Many of them are only interested in this election because of Bernie. eom

[Chicago1980]

25. How shortsighted.

[cui bono]

50. No, it's the exact opposite. They're in it for the long run.

It's not about Bernie, it's about changing this country. Hillary just isn't going to do what's needed. She is part of the problem.

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[cherokeeprogressive]

23. "The Democratic Party doesn't want or need your vote."

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/4/25/do-what-you-want-an-open-letter-to-the-bernie-or-bust-movement-on-behalf-of-the-democratic-party#.VyKmDIJZpia.facebook

[LostOne4Ever]

26. The Republican Nominee will more than motivate us to vote blue. nt

[Purveyor]

27. If Trump is the GOP nominee, they will vote in droves.

Much water to flow beneath the bridge before election day.

Just as the President said tonight, worried if Cleveland would make it through July. In jest of course but these counter Trump protests will get uglier in the heat of the summer.

[northernsouthern]

28. Lol...

...for a campaign that talks about math...you sure seem to throw it out the window when it is not in your favor. With out the youth vote you lose the election unless the other side sits out too. You only have 29% of the US is Dem, you toss the independents and the youth vote you have lost...or is that saying divided we stand?

[JudgeX]

31. If Millennials Think Their Cute Little Lives Are Hard Now...........

If the Millennials sit out this election because they didn't get their way, as a lifetime liberal I strongly suggest nothing be done to advance their interests. No free tuition, no free health care. Elections have consequences and if Hillary has to win without them then the hell with them. Juvenile, you say? Hardly. Playing to your constituents is the first rule of politics and if they aren't there for her, then she would be a fool to reward them. And the opposite, of course, applies as well. But since their DeFacto President Trump won't be addressing their needs anyway my point is moot.

[davidn3600]

39. The youth turned out big time for Obama...and Democrats did absolutely nothing!!

What's the old saying?
"Fool me once, shame on you....fool me twice, shame on me."

The youth does not trust the Democratic party.

[Garrett78]

40. Youth turnout in 2008 was below 50% and only a little higher than it was in 2004.

It'll likely be about the same this year.

[cui bono]

44. There's no way you are a lifetime liberal with that attitude.

Why should anyone want a choice between center-right and extreme right? Why did the Dem Party move to the center? It's the party's fault for going DLC/Third Way and selling out to corporate money. Now they might have to reap the consequences of their decision to do that. The millennials had nothing to do with that decision. To blame them for bad leadership that began decades ago is ridiculous.

Most of your post reeks of Republican attitude. The president should only enact policies that benefit the people who voted for them? That is fucked up. Is that how you think this country is supposed to operate? Reward those who vote for you and punish those who don't?

Do you not understand that an educated public is good for the country? The GOP and corporations want people to be uneducated because if people are not informed they will not rebel against TPTB.

Your backwards thinking is astounding. I'm quite sure you got lost on these internet tubes.

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[stonecutter357]

64. There's no way you are a lifetime liberal with that attitude.

[NorthCarolina]

76. Wow, I am so happy that I do not think like you do. nt

[Garrett78]

35. 49% turnout in 2008 and that's considered good.

So, yeah, a lot of young folks won't vote. Nothing new. Overall turnout was about 63% in '08 and about 58% in '12. '04 turnout was about 60%. Yet someone started another thread about how 24% of voters say they won't participate in a Clinton vs. Trump contest. It'll be a lot more than 24% regardless of who the nominees are.

[cui bono]

42. It will be the fault of the establishment and Hillary supporters for shoving a flawed and corrupt

candidate down everyone's throats.

It's not the millennials fault that The Dem Party is center-right and refuses to go back to it's roots. It's not the millennials' fault the Dem Party chose to go the DLC/Third Way route and go after corporate money.

Millennials are not stupid. They know we need to get money out of politics and they know who is doing that. The Dem Party leadership is stupid for not seeing that.

.

[Ash_F]

43. Then it will be a massacre like 2014. Come up with another plan.

[JI7]

45. This isn't just about Millennials, younger people of previous generations also had low turnout

when it comes to voting.

this is just how it's usually been.

[Betty Karlson]

47. Ânother great win for Debbie!

[elleng]

51. Some may.

My millennial daughter asked me to tell everyone I could NOT to do this.

[DrDan]

59. here is the voting by age in 2012 - the last presidential election

If Hillary puts effort in to getting folks to vote for her, he efforts will certainly pay off better with older voters - they vote. Look at white males 24 and under - around 38% - less than 4 in 10 vote.

[runaway hero]

63. Young people don't vote that often

Politics is an old man's game, nothing more to it.

[stonecutter357]

65. K&R!

[wyldwolf]

72. don't they do that every election?

With all the hype about the youth vote, what is often overlooked is they're notoriously unreliable voters.

[NurseJackie]

77. They think they're "sending a message" ... only ...

... it's not the message they THINK it is.

[wyldwolf]

78. ... and the message is...

"I slept in, then couldn't find the voting app in the app store."

[apnu]

75. Anybody who sits out any election is a frigging idiot.

Age and political preference doen't enter into it.