Latest Polls April 29th Show Sanders Doing Better Than Clinton Against Republicans

[imagine2015]

Latest Polls
Friday
April 29, 2016


General Election: Trump vs. Clinton IBD/TIPP Clinton 47, Trump 40 Clinton +7
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders IBD/TIPP Sanders 50, Trump 38 Sanders +12

General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton IBD/TIPP Clinton 47, Cruz 40 Clinton +7
General Election: Cruz vs. Sanders IBD/TIPP Sanders 49, Cruz 38 Sanders +11

General Election: Kasich vs. Clinton IBD/TIPP Kasich 45, Clinton 41 Kasich +4
General Election: Kasich vs. Sanders IBD/TIPP Sanders 46, Kasich 42 Sanders +4

[SFnomad]

1. 2156 vs. 1412 .... so it really doesn't matter, BS isn't going to get the chance

And after the Republican scorched Earth smear machine was through with him ... do you really think he would be polling so well?

[imagine2015]

4. Your delegate count is off by about 500. You might want to correct that before you make .....

general election predictions.

Hillary will not have enough elected delegates to clinch the nomination before the convention.

You didn't know that?

[SFnomad]

21. Secretary Clinton will win the nomination on the first ballot ... you know that, right? n/t

[Albertoo]

2. Sanders does only marginally better than Hillary

And that's even before Trump skewers Sanders on 'Socialism' and 'revolution'

The polls sound far more convincing when it comes to Hillary who is a stateswoman.

[imagine2015]

5. "Hillary who is a stateswoman." What do you mean by that? She does like making war.

[Albertoo]

7. I mean a Secretary of State is usually referred to as a statesman/woman

[Lizzie Poppet]

44. I think they have to, you know, be GOOD at it to attain that title.

Just sayin'...

[Albertoo]

48. Says who?

GW still would be called a statesman, and that's about as bad as it gets.

[stillwaiting]

34. Trump has NOTHING to skewer Hillary with. NOTHING I say.

Do I need the tag?

[Albertoo]

51. Trump and Hillary have the same amount of ammo, while Trump would bury Sanders

[TDale313]

3. This has been consistent for months now.

We're making a mistake if we nominate Hillary.

[elleng]

6. Yes.

How many will notice or care?

[Albertoo]

8. Sanders = Cruz: too extreme to rally the swing center

which is why I don't buy the polls so far from election time

[Dragonfli]

10. He wins independents by large margins, your information is simply incorrect. /nt

[Albertoo]

12. Not information, just my opinion

come election time

[Dragonfli]

14. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, I encourage people being free to do such /nt

[brooklynite]

32. NO, he wins DEMOCRATIC LEANING independent by large margins...

...the General Election voter profile is larger and more centrist.

[Dragonfli]

35. Not according to national polls on issues, you are stuck in a 1990's time loop. catch up!

I'd assume you think that those right leaning Limbaugh independents are the ones that will put her over the top seeing as you (although improperly imply more independents are right wing) are going to be the Independents she will win if she hopes to win the GE.

I only assume this because you don't think it is a problem that Democratic leaning Independents do not like or favor her. This implies more about her on the right left scale than you realize, if your assumptions are correct.

[TM99]

36. No it is not.

That is ridiculous.

Right leaning independents when able vote in the GOP primary. Left leaning independents when able vote in the Dem primary.

They don't all suddenly morph into this magical fucking centrist bullshit you neoliberals have spouted since the 1990's.

[TDale313]

11. Bernie's not extreme. His populist message appeals to independents

And even some Republicans. In an antiestablishment year we're about to nominate the ultimate status quo establishment politician while they nominate Trump who has spent the primaries swallowing establishment politicians whole. It's a bad matchup for us. She may still win- I hope she would. But she is not our best choice on policy or pragmatically in beating Trump.

[Albertoo]

13. The use of the word 'Socialism' is a killer

Trump is a good orator; my guess is he'd make minced meat of the word and the idea.

Which is why I think Hillary is a much safer bet.

[TDale313]

15. It means nothing to those under 50.

Honestly. They think of European countries that actually know how to take care of their people. Republicans have spent a decade calling Obama a Socialist to very little effect.

I realize that older people vote more- but I think older people are also overestimating how effective that particular line of attack would be. Red baiting is so 5 decades ago.

[Waiting For Everyman]

16. Socialism = Medicare and Social Security.

Two of the government's most important and valued programs to people.

The socialism scare is a Cold War mentality. Even many of us old people are over it.

[brooklynite]

33. In U.S., Socialist Presidential Candidates Least Appealing

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx

[Albertoo]

49. No. Socialism = collective ownership of the means of production

Check it out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

[Qutzupalotl]

17. An average politician would run and hide from the word, but not Bernie.

If anyone can define and defend the concept to the country, it's him. Bernie has had years debating in the Senate, defending his ideas from smarter people than Trump. He is a fighter and will not back down or cower.

[Albertoo]

50. And that's why he's not representative of the history of the Demcoratic Party

[Baobab]

53. She is too divisive

Democrats are divided over her.

[highprincipleswork]

20. The "swing center" myth has been promulgated by Reaganites, and is just as false as the rest of his

ideas. Tragic thing is how many people end up believing that crap, even Democrats.

The American public, as shown by poll after poll and by Bernie Sanders' campaign, is way to the Left of what people think. So courting that rightward "swing center" is a fucking delusion which hopefully will not be pursued by any Democratic candidate.

If they do, then truly we are lost.

[Albertoo]

52. Studies show the swing center is alive and kicking

Detailed study here: https://lanekenworthy.net/political-polarization/

[highprincipleswork]

55. Seems like a shitty study to me. For one thing, people don't know how to categorize themselves.

If you ask them about their beliefs, there are a great many more Progressive minded people out there than believe they are actually Progressive.

[Albertoo]

56. 1- the study is one of many 2- progressive/conservative is a continuum

progressive/conservative is a continuum: take ten items: some will score 10/10 progressive, then others 8/10 -> 7/10 .. 5/10 -> .. 2/10 .. >0/10. Probably a flat W curve.

[highprincipleswork]

57. What I'm saying is that the words Progressive or Liberal have been given such a bashing for so long

that anyone who is not a young person probably thinks they are much more "moderate" or "conservative" than they actually are. If you ask them about Social Security or Medicare or any of a whole range of social services (those that a Social Democratic state for instance would support) they will be all in favor of them.

The Democratic Party has bought into this bullshit, particularly popular in the days of Reagan as true. Polls show that it is not. America is essentially in its beliefs a relatively Progressive nation. Just not in its policies. When renegades from either party, like Trump, mainline into the Liberal or Progressive or Populist voice (for instance around trade deals), they do very, very well.

And that is the danger in this election. Trump advocates plenty of rightwing b.s., but on financial matters goes to the Left of Clinton and appeals to this very sentiment.

[Albertoo]

58. Anyway, words are very imprecise tools

Take Progressive: it covers all walks of beliefs, some being un-progressive like fundamentalist Greens who want de-growth. Same for conservative: it covers both atheist Libertarians like Penn Gillette and religious fundamentalists. Labels can be tricky. Which is why I'm not quite sure a Progressive/Conservative scale even works.

[annavictorious]

28. Are you a Democrat?

[w4rma]

54. We just aren't "New" Democrats. (nt)

[JDPriestly]

9. Trump will bully Clinton in the debates.

Clinton will show her anger and look weak. That's how this will go.

[Desert805]

24. She'll complain about his tone

and ask him to cut it out.

She lost her cool over and over at "enough about the damn emails" Sanders. I can't even imagine how she'll react to Trump, but it won't be a good look, I'm sure.

[JDPriestly]

25. Is her staff either too enamored or too afraid of her to tell her that she loses when she gets mad

and shows her temper?

[Ash_F]

18. Wow the Republicans would have to be nuts not to nominate Kasich.

[Betty Karlson]

19. Superdelegates, the writing is on the wall! READ IT ALREADY!

[pdsimdars]

22. Some things don't change. . . . like Bernie being the best candidate for the GE

[imagine2015]

23. And the beat goes on ....

[Mike Nelson]

26. He's going to benefit from...

...not being demonized. Every cloud has a silver lining!

[Buzz Clik]

27. The latest national polls show HRC leading Sanders by 8-10%. You need to win the primary.

HRC will win in November.

[Android3.14]

29. But this math apparently does not count with the Giggle Heads

[SaschaHM]

31. The side that has been arguing "Let me freaking vote first"...

for the last month after it was clear that Sanders couldn't win is now arguing that votes don't matter and we should look to polls to pick our nominee.

The fact that the Sanders campaign is even peddling in such desperation shows that they know his campaign is dead in the water. I almost want to throw them some sympathy $27s so that they can buy back some of their dignity when they finally confront the fact that he is done already.

[Android3.14]

45. Your post doesn't make sense

No one on the Sanders side is seriously making argument that votes don't matter. That's such bizarre nonsense, I have to wonder if I am writing to a poorly programmed response CMS.

[SaschaHM]

46. When you're arguing that the superdelegates should throw the race to the losing candidate based ...

off of match-up polls, you are arguing that votes don't matter.

[Joe the Revelator]

30. If republicans had half a brain, they would move heaven and earth to nominate Kasich

Alas, that is probably half a brain more than they have.

[Metric System]

37. Sanders hasnt had any GOP attack ads directed at him. Hillary has been attacked for years.

[politicaljunkie41910]

39. A point that the Sanders supporters conveniently overlook.

[floppyboo]

40. Being attacked and still standing and still being attacked and still holding the same bags

I don't understand what your point is

[MFM008]

38. whats the difference

IF she wins by 7 or he wins by 12?
She still WINS.
We have a Bush presidency thanks to just over 500 votes.
I dont care if she wins by 3 votes.

[hack89]

42. So why bother holding primaries and letting people vote?

why not pick candidates based on polls alone?

[SaschaHM]

47. Whatever ever helps Daddy.

[Tarc]

43. Why is this tired meme still floating around?

History Shows It’s Still Too Early for Polls to Matter

[amborin]

59. Hillary would lose in the GE; Bernie will win