2016 Postmortem
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R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)I'm a Democrat. That's the answer you get.
Yes or no...I'll answer any way I want.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Verdict is in.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)The quote is displayed in the library in Little Rock. I visited in December.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)Last edited Sun May 8, 2016, 07:22 PM - Edit history (1)
... but I'm sure someone'd have thought it was something snarky about Bernie if they didn't know the background. She's discussing the "call to action" inherent in the Wiccan Rede. The rest of that part goes "Make a realistic plan that includes all your assets... then begin taking the first steps now."
(Edit to fix poor language choice)
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)That I was using it in the plural and not necessarily "you" yourself.. but I need to be more careful. "One might assume" is more what I meant.
But it's been part of my sig line at least since DU3 if it wasn't already part in DU2.
And yet, it's attacking "waiting for the revolution" and dwelling on the broken system. Because I use mobile I rarely see signatures. I was worried someone might take it as an attack on the use of the words. Unless they actually Googled "Judy Harrow".
baldguy
(36,649 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)Typical BS double standards.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)No purity test there.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)take you more seriously.
but speaking of "seriously" if you seriously read the OPs sig line there was a quote about the third way. The third way is corporatist bullshit.
But being serious, I have no quote of donald trump in my sig which shows a lack of reading comprehension on your part, party myopia as well as a lack of seriousness...friend.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)..or perhaps Trotsky.
I interpreted the Bill Clinton in my sig line quote to mean working with political opponents to find common ground and common sense solutions.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)encompassing many economic, social, and demographic interests, working toward common goals.
The BernieBrats would like to see that coalition destroyed, and if they can't have that, at least see the party lose a few elections the the Republicans. They see the RW Tea Party as something to emulate, forgetting or ignoring the fact that the supposed grassroots nature of the "movement" is a fraud.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Some progressives were unsatisfied after eight years of Bill Clinton, so in 2000, these so-called progressives (not all, but too many) decided that Gore was just as bad as Bush, and they'd vote for Nader. We saw how that turned out. Sam Alito, John Roberts (although he's had interesting moments), the Iraq war, torture, Enron, Gitmo, Abu Graib, economic meltdown, and a host of other issues that Barack Obama inherited. Obama basically had two years to accomplish anything before a blowback midterm. Eight years later, they are unsatisfied with Obama.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)
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Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)It's also known as Freedom of Choice. Or, democracy.
I don't vote for labels.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Zynx
(21,328 posts)Find one governing party that doesn't.
CBHagman
(16,984 posts)That's a given, and therefore anyone who actually wants to get anything done has to form a strategy accordingly. Ideals, dreams, and plans don't mean much if the vote splits in a way that ensures defeat of even the slightest fulfillment of those ideals, dreams, and plans.
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CBHagman
(16,984 posts)It takes an adequate number of votes with individual elections and within Congress to get anything done, so splitting the vote will have a human as well as a policy cost, as the presidential election of 2000 illustrates.
There's some suggestion that third parties can change the national conversation by bringing key issues to the fore, but the parties themselves generally do not gain a permanent legislative and executive presence. The last time they actually did was in 1860.
[url]http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/politics-july-dec04-third_parties/[/url]
For now, most representatives in Congress are in so-called safe districts, and another round of redistricting won't take place for years.
Then there's the makeup of the electorate and its voting patterns. Much has been made of demographics and self-identification (i.e., as an independent, Republican, or Democrat, or as a liberal, moderate, or conservative), but the fact is that every election result is down to who's casting the votes. Participation is everything, and so, for that matter, is strategy.
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Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)If a candidate wants to pick a label, that's up to him or her.
If that candidate appeals to me I may choose to vote for that candidate. The label is meaningless.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)Support http://www.fairvote.org/
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)going backwards. Not sure how that might ever happen, or what I might think of it. I am initially suspicious of any new vote scheme. Most are right wing, that have seen floated. We just need to fix some of the issues within the basic system first.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)and I'm just supposed to STFU, do as I'm told and live under corporatist domination of both my country and my party?
No thanks. I'll vote for plenty of Democrats. Probably won't vote for any that have sold their soul to Goldman Sachs or WalMart though...
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Bashing, trashing, undermining... I understand this to mean, "If you criticize a Democratic candidate, we will hunt you down." I guess this is OK if you want to make DU a small cluster of the uber faithful.
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)instead of admonishing us to vote AGAINST boogeymen.
Just thought I'd throw that idea out there.
DookDook
(166 posts)Vote for the candidate that best represents your views. If you're voting out of fear, then you're letting someone else do your thinking for you. And I've learned that when you let other people do your thinking for you, they don't always hold your best interests at heart.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I'm sure you can guess the other...
I will vote for liberals/progressives. Period.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)I vote for Democrats.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)For me? Not even a little.
Joob
(1,065 posts)But hill no I won't vote Hillary. Nope. Never. I'm against what she has done and what she is for.