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Sun May 1, 2016, 12:41 AM

 

Clinton Camp says She's Been Forced to the Left Enough Already

Fresh after Bernie Sanders' call for a "a fifty-state strategy... to plant the flag of progressive politics" nationwide, new reporting on Friday suggests that Hillary Clinton's campaign won't be budged any further to the left.

After Clinton claimed more victories in Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, and Pennsylvania this week, Sanders said, "we are in this race until the last vote is cast," adding that his campaign would head "to the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia with as many delegates as possible to fight for a progressive party platform."

Steps forward on issues that would constitute such a platform can already be seen in the race, observers say. As Max Ehrenfreund writes at Washington Post's Wonkblog Friday,

In the course of fending off Sanders's challenge, Clinton appears to have conceded to him on a couple of major economic policy issues. The former U.S. senator and secretary of state has abandoned the centrist positions she previously held on trade and Social Security and taken stances closer to Sanders's views.


Forced to the left?


This is a real Democrat???

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Reply Clinton Camp says She's Been Forced to the Left Enough Already (Original post)
Feeling the Bern May 2016 OP
merrily May 2016 #1
Feeling the Bern May 2016 #2
Hortensis May 2016 #21
aspirant May 2016 #3
brewens May 2016 #4
fun n serious May 2016 #8
brewens May 2016 #11
fun n serious May 2016 #12
cui bono May 2016 #18
B Calm May 2016 #23
Broward May 2016 #30
Karma13612 May 2016 #32
bahrbearian May 2016 #29
cui bono May 2016 #33
JDPriestly May 2016 #10
fun n serious May 2016 #13
JDPriestly May 2016 #16
CobaltBlue May 2016 #24
pat_k May 2016 #5
Lucinda May 2016 #6
JDPriestly May 2016 #17
cui bono May 2016 #19
ibegurpard May 2016 #34
fun n serious May 2016 #7
Ash_F May 2016 #9
fun n serious May 2016 #14
Ash_F May 2016 #15
randome May 2016 #28
djean111 May 2016 #20
pampango May 2016 #22
CobaltBlue May 2016 #25
djean111 May 2016 #26
Thinkingabout May 2016 #27
Doctor_J May 2016 #31

Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:53 AM

1. They said that months ago, too.

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Response to merrily (Reply #1)

Sun May 1, 2016, 01:00 AM

2. Again, why it's here and not in LBN.

 

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Reply #2)

Sun May 1, 2016, 05:52 AM

21. Not me. She's far more liberal than the far left

will admit, but I am hoping that she will do everything possible to rev up the return of our nation's wealth and power to the many. She may be intending to do all she believes will be possible now, even if we take the Senate, but I think it'll always be helpful to add some additional pressure that says consistently, "We want more!"

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Response to merrily (Reply #1)

Sun May 1, 2016, 01:02 AM

3. What they say and what they do

We must get the doing before the vote.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 01:21 AM

4. I will not vote for Hillary until I have seen the Goldman Sachs speeches. I see on reason to settle

for transcripts if they were filmed as I would expect.

Presumably, she was not there telling them why she would be a poor candidate for president. I would like to see what they saw and heard.

Just what could it be that we are not supposed to know about? Some 47% comments like Robmy made? Maybe envy and class warfare? Her telling them she has their backs? There is only one way to know.

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Response to brewens (Reply #4)

Sun May 1, 2016, 01:48 AM

8. Don't vote.

 

I personally think she has a right to make money. HOW MUCH is only contested because she is a woman. No man has ever had to put out speeches! She is right to not heed to demands never asked of a MAN.

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Response to fun n serious (Reply #8)

Sun May 1, 2016, 01:55 AM

11. It has nothing to do with her being a woman or how much she was paid to speak.

They finance her campaign and Wall Street is a huge part of our problems in this country. So what is she promising them that is so secret for the rest of us? If it's all wonderful stuff that would be great for the entire country, she should want us to hear it shouldn't she? It seems it must be things that would hurt her campaign. But you already know that.

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Response to brewens (Reply #11)

Sun May 1, 2016, 01:58 AM

12. No I don't.

 

I don't believe all entities are corrupt. We are a nation of " innocent until proven guilty." You have to prove quid pro quo and you can't.

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Response to fun n serious (Reply #8)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:51 AM

18. Stop making a mockery of women's fight for equality.

Requests for her transcripts have absolutely NOTHING to do with her gender. When you guys play the gender card so frivolously you set back the progress women have made by making a mockery of our fight for equality.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #18)

Sun May 1, 2016, 06:04 AM

23. +1

 

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Response to cui bono (Reply #18)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:41 AM

30. Well put, nt.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #18)

Sun May 1, 2016, 08:14 AM

32. +10 eom

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Response to fun n serious (Reply #8)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:19 AM

29. Thats some transparency page your working on, Skinner must be proud.

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Response to bahrbearian (Reply #29)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:29 PM

33. Holy fuck! 19 HIDES?!?!?!?!

Well, that's what Skinner wanted. This site is full of asstrolls now. I don't know why I come back here. Bad habits are hard to break I guess.

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Response to brewens (Reply #4)

Sun May 1, 2016, 01:53 AM

10. I'm with you. She is hiding something.

Something that could cost her the election and she knows it. Because otherwise she would allow us to see her speeches.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #10)

Sun May 1, 2016, 01:58 AM

13. I could say the same about 2011 tax returns nt

 

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Response to fun n serious (Reply #13)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:16 AM

16. I think the Wall Street speeches are hidden because she pandered to Wall Street.

Why do you think the 2011 tax returns are not being published?

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #10)

Sun May 1, 2016, 06:25 AM

24. The content of those speeches

 

Whatever was specifically mentioned…Hillary Clinton, and her campaign advisors, do not feel good about them and feel a need to protect them. How damning are they? By the actions of Hillary Clinton and her campaign…too damning.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 01:36 AM

5. "he might be on the winning side in the contest over the party's future."

With or without Bernie as the torch barer, it's up to us to win "the contest over the party's future."

It's mystifying that the establishment is still hanging on to the asinine notion that Dems need to look more like Republicans to win Independents.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 01:39 AM

6. Hillary has held the majority of her positions since well before Bernie started running

for the nomination. Do people really not research candidates anymore before writing these pieces?

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #6)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:18 AM

17. We don't trust her to mean what she says, therefore we look more to the Clinton

legacy from the State Department (those things for which she was responsible) and Bill's presidency -- and we do not like what we see.

When we look at what Bernie has done, we like what we see.

Actions speak louder than words.

Bill Clinton signed so many bills that have harmed our country starting with NAFTA and ending with the Commodities Futures Act which was hidden in a rush omnibus budget bill. Horrors!

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #6)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:52 AM

19. Links?

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #6)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:55 PM

34. Yes they do

That's why people don't believe her when she does one of her position changes.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 01:45 AM

7. From Washington post and regurgitated

 

by Common Dreams... Is there a direct source?

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 01:49 AM

9. 63% of Americans believe minimum wage should be $15 by 2020

She is still to the right of most Americans.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #9)

Sun May 1, 2016, 01:59 AM

14. Did you ever wonder why Vermont is not 15? nt

 

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Response to fun n serious (Reply #14)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:03 AM

15. Because their state legislature has not passed it.

What is your point?

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #15)

Sun May 1, 2016, 06:46 AM

28. My guess is it's not that easy to obtain.

 

Clinton's proposal of $12/hour was a trial balloon to see if Republicans would bite. What we should all be pushing for is indexing the minimum wage to the cost of living. Then we'd never need to fight this battle again.

And please don't say -as others have- that starting with a lower number is a sin against the art of negotiation. Republicans in Congress are not rational creatures. You can't treat them as such.
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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 05:28 AM

20. The DNC only wanted Bernie to run in order to give a little liberal pretend liberal faux finish

 

to Hillary's not liberal or Progressive at all campaign. Looks like she cannot even pretend to have budged from the right. It seems to offend her that all Democrats do not bow down.

Bernie was supposed to fade away quite a while ago, hand over his supporters and money and grassroots organization to Hillary, and then campaign for her or else quietly go back to Congress. Didn't happen, is not going to happen, and peevishness is morphing into anger, IMO. Obama was spot on with that trudging up the hill with Hillary thing. She was already supposed to be at the top. Now there are huge swaths of voters who just will not vote for her.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #20)

Sun May 1, 2016, 06:01 AM

22. I doubt that the DNC wanted Bernie to run or that Bernie would followed their marching orders

whether they wanted him to run or to stay out of it.

Bernie was supposed to fade away quite a while ago ...

I am sure that was the DNC's expectation. (Just like the RNC expected Trump to fade away. Neither "*NC" seemed to see the train coming down the tracks.) We surprised them.

Now there are huge swaths of voters who just will not vote for her.

There always were. They have just added many on the left to the 'huge swaths' on the right that already existed.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #20)

Sun May 1, 2016, 06:29 AM

25. On Hillary Clinton

 

She is not that savvy a politician. But she is great as an insider. And both parties (and the military industrial complex, corporations, power structures), from behind the scenes, want a president Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders, Ted Cruz, and Donald Trump.

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Response to CobaltBlue (Reply #25)

Sun May 1, 2016, 06:38 AM

26. I hate the things she stands for and wants to accomplish.

 

I am assuming that both parties have already ensured the outcome of the elections - I am not going to enable.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 06:42 AM

27. She is far to the left of Sanders on gun control, he votes with Republicans

On gun issues. Hillary has realistic agenda issues, his agenda will cost $17 trillion in ten years, Hillary's will cost $1 trillion in ten years. Sanders has moved to Hillary's position on SS, her position is to restart FICA on wages of $250,000 and up in order to keep SS further.



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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:51 AM

31. No, it's not a real democrat. She wants more war, social security cuts, more for profit prisons,

 

More costly healthcare, TPP, ttip, fracking, and less wall street regulations. And it's likely that any of her concessions to the left are lies.

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