Hillary will show where she is really at with her VP pic.

[RDANGELO]

Since the onset of the primaries, it has become evident to me that there are two wings of the Democratic Party. There is the social justice wing and the economic reform wing. They are not necessarily opposed to one another ; there is a difference in emphasis.Which is good.
The social justice wing includes women, minorities and the LBGT. The economic reform wing is mostly concerned with income inequality.
If Hillary becomes the nominee, and she is going to unite the two wings, she needs to select a VP from that economic reform wing because many in that wing do not trust her.

[Ferd Berfel]

1. eh

Which one is Clinton in your opinon - social justice wing or economic reform wing?

I wouldn't classify her in either category. She's the Corporate "faction"

Bernie represents social justice and economic reform. Where does Clinton come in to this? The Third Way Corporate faction crowd doesn't really support either...unless they can make some $$ on it.

[RDANGELO]

3. If she doesn't pick a VP from the economic reform wing, that you are probable right.

[Ferd Berfel]

5. Sorrry - I dont' see how picking a VP

like Warren for example (which will not happen btw) changed Clinton's Corporate Faction position

She's still the old Goldwater girl regardless of who gets buried in the VP spot.

[floriduck]

58. Figure on Sidney Blumenthal as her VP pick. nm

[rock]

13. Your grid is bogus

Your poster is garbage. Together they make you look like a know-nothing.

[Ferd Berfel]

14. Well, that's it for me then..

[Katashi_itto]

45. Bwhahahaa!

[Demsrule86]

20. she is the winner

And apparently way more people agree with her than Bernie since he lost the primary. What does it say about Bernie if Clinton is as bad as you say, that he lost to her?

[Ferd Berfel]

25. Not yet but regardless - you've completely missed the point of this OP

nice redirect

Clinton people usually miss the point of the subject at hand It's easier that way I guess

[mooseprime]

56. No they purposefully

pick up the least important part of what you are saying or even intentionally misparse it as a diversionary maneuver. Then we're off to the races talking about anything but the facts or policies. They're quite accomplished at it.

[Ferd Berfel]

62. one would almost think they were trained by Rove

or Fox

[loyalsister]

26. It says people are still dumb enough to buy into the "American dream"

The one where a bunch of fools consider themselves biollionaires in waiting.

[PufPuf23]

35. What has occurred is that the Democratic establishment failed to present an

array of POTUS 2016 primary and caucus candidates for debate of issues and choice for many Party members.

One can be unfavorable regards Hillary Clinton with or without Sanders.

The Democratic establishment should have considered the high unfavorable perception within the Democratic Party and voters at large.

There were no other choices except Clinton and Sanders except briefly O'Malley.

Sanders has been far more successful than just about anyone predicted. But Sanders stepped into a vacuum and had a fresh (and simple to understand) message.

Because of the vacuum and message, Sanders connected with less than a majority but significant number of members of the Democratic Party where Hillary Clinton was unfavorable to totally unacceptable as a candidate for POTUS.

[Demsrule86]

40. She won votes

more votes and that is the bottom line...if they don't want to vote for the Democratic nominee...are they really Democrats?

[PufPuf23]

46. So? Democratic establishment failed provide an array of potential candidates.

No place else to vote save Sanders and for a while O'Malley.

I have been a registered and voting Democrat since aging into the vote in 1972; I was politicized in the San Francisco Bay area age 15 in 1968 when first identified as a Democrat. By circumstance of a connection to his family's entourage of friends and close supporters, I got to meet and eat several family meals with Eugene McCarthy and spend time with his daughter when he campaigned in San Francisco.

I encourage liberal folks not to leave the Democratic party and for new liberal party members. I won't vote for Hillary Clinton in the CA primary and I have said I would probably vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election as choose Democrat never GOP or 3rd party.

I am rethinking a possible vote for Hillary Clinton and probably have changed my mind and will withhold a vote for Clinton.

I am a Democrat and plan on remaining Democrat.

I have no severe problem with having minority but not rare opinions within the Party.

I am a Democrat and angry that the neo-liberal party leadership practice politic and policy that is GOP for a good portion of my adult life.

I think the neo-liberals want the liberals to leave the Party. Not me.

Provide me something to support and I will; otherwise I won't. I will be a critic.

I am a Democrat.

[Kall]

59. Yeah, that's what I said after people voted in G. W. Bush twice too.

I was all wrong about him, and they were right.

Oh wait, it wasn't.

Ditto for Blanche Lincoln, Joe Lieberman, etc.

[cherokeeprogressive]

61. Says nothing at all about Bernie Sanders. Speaks volumes about Hillary supporters though...

And how gullible they are.

[Demsrule86]

66. I guess the millions of voters who voted for her

giving her an insurmountable lead are gullible too...well who cares...she still wins despite your angst. Insulting people won't change that. I think you all are gullible for falling for Bernie's shtick.

[cherokeeprogressive]

67. Yeah. "I know you are, but what am I". It's a common theme with you guys.

I bet you didn't know "gullible" isn't in the dictionary.

[stillwaiting]

2. I am both, and I don't think we can be successful on either front unless we

Tackle both at the same time. True progressives can easily do that.

[RDANGELO]

4. If Hillary is serious about doing that, then she will show it with her VP pick.

[stillwaiting]

7. I don't believe Hillary is serious or good on either front.

And she will never pick a progressive for V.P.

Ever.

She would not put a progressive one step away from the W.H., and with that the ability to reform the Dem Party by putting a Party Chair that will actually recruit and fund progressive candidates for Congress. She is not doing that after all of the work she and Bill have done to completely recreate what it even means to be a Democrat.

[apcalc]

51. Disagree

[Ferd Berfel]

8. Sorry again - but the VP pick changes nothing

VP is a dead end position that is under the thumb of the Prez. LIke SoS the position kinda HAS to do what they are told.

[Ferd Berfel]

6. Agree Progressives can

But

[99Forever]

9. Nonsense.

How fucking stupid do you think we are?

Crap like this is an insult to any real progressive liberal's intelligence.

[Bettie]

10. Or she'll go with someone attractive to Republicans

to get them to vote for her.

I have no reason to believe she'd ever pick someone from the Left.

[Ferd Berfel]

18. Nailed it

Scary thing is that she's capable of picking a republican to try and triangulate some republican votes. In fact, I suspect that she would be more comfortable with a republican than a Progressive Dem. More ideologically in sync.

Ok now for the fun - Which republican would she pick...........?


Carly is spoken for...

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[DookDook]

21. "You're free; to do what we tell you." -Bill Hicks

[Bettie]

47. A while ago

I was watching one of the news/talk shows on MSNBC while I made dinner.

Some of the panel suggested she could go for a "moderate" Republican to make herself more palatable to that party. At the time, I said "no way", but now, it doesn't seem as far-fetched. Still hoping I'm wrong about that though.

[Vote2016]

11. She's going to pick a moderate, white, male from a swing state.

[reformist2]

33. I agree. I think it could be Sherrod Brown from Ohio.

I thought it was suspicious a few months ago when he didn't support Bernie. I'm thinking it's a done deal.

[Zynx]

34. Sherrod Brown isn't a moderate. He's decently far left, especially for Ohio.

[reformist2]

36. True. Would Sherrod scare off moderates though?

[Zynx]

37. Likely not. He for some reason comes off as more moderate than he is

[Vote2016]

48. Brown would be great but he's no neocon and so won't be considered; plus, Kasich would appoint his

replacement and we need to gain, not lose, seats in the Senate.

[apcalc]

52. Sheridan Brown is a leftie....

[Skwmom]

12. Newsflash - the President sets the agenda. The VP does the President's bidding.

[RDANGELO]

16. That is true, but it the pick itself is also political.

[Vote2016]

50. The Lieberman pick probably made Gore-Bush close enough to steal. Plus, Ralph probably wouldn't have

run but for Gore's choice of Lieberman.

Hillary is looking for a modern-day Lieberman. I'm thinking Warner, Kaine, Schweitzer, Bayh, or Vilsack. No one who will upstage her or who will be a voice for progresssives.

[loyalsister]

28. Exactly

My hope is that no self respecting progressive would sign up to be her lackey. That is who we need to hold her accountable.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. Whoever it is must be a fully qualifiend lackey and be able to pronounce "Yes, Madam" correctly.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Demanding economic and social justice are not mutually exclusive.

In fact I would argue you can't have one without the another.

[RDANGELO]

19. I agree. I don't know that others do.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. I want her to take Sherrod Brown

IMHO, one can support economic and social justice, just as one can chew gum and walk.

[RDANGELO]

23. That would do it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. He says he doesn't want it but it's hard to turn down your party and nation./nt

[apcalc]

53. I think Sherrod Brown would be an excellent choice.

[Yurovsky]

27. It wouldn't stop her from marginalizing the VP in her administration...

U.S. history has shown that in most administrations, the VP is not a player in the decision-making process of the WH.

VPs have usually only mattered when the POTUS has died. Given Hillary's age, there's no guarantee she would complete 1 or 2 terms, so yes, it's important, but I don't want to have to celebrate someone's death just to get a progressive President. I'm never going to vote for HRC, but I wouldn't wish death on her, regardless of her politics.

[procon]

29. Your supposition is illogical.

Women, minorities and LBGT, also the elderly, vets and disabled folks, suffer more from income inequality than any other demographic groups. Instead of separating the social classes from their economic needs, the breakpoint would be better set at philosophical differences. This is essentially a purity argument that is debating the remake the Democratic Party according to views of the ultra progressives. This faction wants a stricter interpretation of the ethical, moral and ideological philosophy that would replace the old guard Democrats with a new doctrine that leans decidedly more towards socialism.

Its not a question of which factor approves of Hillary's VP choice in the General Election, but what that person can bring to her campaign to secure her victory over the Republicans. S/he must stand as her strong surrogate as well as demonstrate the individual chops to become the next president. Whatever unity is to be had, will come from whatever bits of philosophical common ground the two camps might agree to share.

[RDANGELO]

30. The logic comes in where there are a lot of people who support Bernie who just don't trust her.

The VP pick can help with that.

[procon]

31. That's not a valid reason to pick the best qualified running mate.

What your describing is appeasement.

From what's already transpired, there's no guarantee that Bernie's ardent fans will find anything that Hillary does acceptable to them. Since they don't appear to be a monolithic group, the VP person who would appeal to every Bernie fan doesn't exist. No, she should not agree to any such extortionary tactics because it would just open her up to even more criticisms from all sides.

I suspect that there's little to nothing Hillary can do to attract Bernie loyalists, that must come from Bernie himself. At some point soon, they will negotiate some lightweight philosophical agreements, Bernie will make a polite show of endorsing her and halfheartedly encourage his fans to join him. Some will, some won't, and that's all fine in politics.

[RDANGELO]

32. The selection of the VP could be part of the negotiantions. It still could be a well qualified

person.

[procon]

39. To whom?

Remember, a large segment of Bernie's fans hate Hillary as much as the Republicans do, and often for the same things. As I said above, no one exists, well qualified or otherwise, that would be agreeable to the Bernie crowd. No matter who it might be, they could not force themselves to give up all the many months they have spent doing oppo research in rightwing web haunts, posting their favorite anti-Hillary hate essays, or setting aside all the repetitious laundry lists of real and imagined grievances they cherish. No matter who she might pick as VP, they've invested too much in tearing her down to ever support her now. No, it's too late, and they just cannot stop themselves.

[kgnu_fan]

38. Transcript will show where she is really at.

[EndElectoral]

41. My guess is she goes Deval Patrick or DWS

Cabinet

Press Secretary - David Brock
Sec. of State- Henry Kissinger or if he won't accept - Dianne Feinstein
Sec of Defense - Janet Wolfenbarger
Sec. of Treasury - Gary Cohn
Attorney General - Cheryl Mills
Chief of Staff - Sidney Blumenthal

[6chars]

63. Deval's a good guy

Don't know why you include him in your rogue's gallery.

[Broward]

42. Bernie encompassed both. Only for Hillary is it an either or.

[Katashi_itto]

43. Jamie Dimon or DWS

[pdsimdars]

44. You don't already know? She says Kissinger is her mentor. If you haven't figured it out by now

you aren't really trying.

[angrychair]

49. I'd assume Lloyd Craig Blankfein

Seems the most logical choice for her.

[Skwmom]

54. Hillary's record shows where she is at.

[HooptieWagon]

55. Dick Cheney is a compatible policy fit,...

...and it would help her get the republican voters she needs since she's turned her back on the Left. She DID say she couldn't move any further left...in Clinton-speak that's saying she's intending to veer hard right in the GE.

[silvershadow]

57. Hillary's well-documented history shows already where she is. She was part of

the Kitchen Cabinet on NAFTA, which destroyed this country like a one-two punch- Reagan and the Clintons.

[leveymg]

60. More likely, whoever she picks will be her replacement.

It's most important that the VP is someone who can head the ticket, united all the Democratic wings, and win by her own right. I can think of only one person who can do that.

[Feathery Scout]

64. Hillary's VP Pick Will Help Her Secure the White House

I don't kid myself. Trump is a talented politician. And insulter. He can make a meme stick.

This GE battle will be ugly and dirty, as Trump pulls up every personal proven (or unproven) error and mistake from the past.

And he will lie about plenty of others...

Hillary should pick the best qualified candidate who can HELP her get the White House in November.

[John Poet]

65. If she's honest, she'll pick Dick Cheney

or Robert Kagan.


Or maybe Jeb Bush. He's a family member...