Some folks really need to examine themselves. Introspection is important.

[Jitter65]

What really has Hillary personally done to anyone to warrant such vitriol and hate? Even GWB in his worse actions and inactions has never garnered the level of hate and vitriol thrown at Hillary...and even Bill?
Are folks angry because Bill came from being dirt poor and Hillary a modest middle income family to be elected to the highest office and to leverage his accomplishments to earn great wealth? Or are folks angry at Hillary for growing and working hard in public service to leverage her intelligence in the same manner? Are you angry that Bill Clinton had the audacity to suffer the same human frailties and infidelities that many other great men suffered from too..Kennedy, Johnson, Roosevelt, Reagan to name a few? Are you angry and hate them for keeping their marriage together? Are you angry that they never stooped to the lowness and nastiness demonstrated by their detractors in the public and the media? Just what is it that drives the hate?

I worked at the Senate for several months right after Bill Clinton was elected. People were dumbfounded that this piece of "trailer trash" (yes, those were the exact words of a staffer of a well-known Senator (GOP) spoke in conversation with three other outraged staffers) would be elected to the Office of President after such a decent man a GBush had served so wonderfully. There was a lot of nasty, unkind talk all over the Hart Building in those days...but none of it compared to what I see here.

What am I missing? One can not like the Clinton's politics or be angry about past policies that Bill Clinton wrongly gets accused of passing all by himself but, my god, the mas has not committed mass murder, killed dogs, or sent the country off to unnecessary war. Just what is it?

Why is it that so many women just actually hate Hillary when I can find nothing in her past or present that would warrant such hatred. She quoted an unfavorable label of "super predator" in a discussion about crime. People who saw that video immediately jumped all over it as some kind of racism against black youth. Yet when Bernie Sanders said on the House floor that those same kind of youth needed to be put in prison to protect society from them is was immediately excused. And yes, Hillary and Bernie were talking about the same people.

Do we hate Hillary for faithfully carrying out the foreign policy of the President she served? Do we hate her because of the trumpted up charges about Benghazi, when the facts are actually clear that there was a lot of confusion on the ground surrounding the attacks at that time. Do we hold her to some kind of higher standard than a President and SOS who served over 20 or more attacks at out overseas embassies with hundreds of Marine and civilian lives being lost? Just WTF is the reason or reasons?

Do we hate her for keeping her marriage together, for being a damn good mother, a forgiving wife...what?
It really is something that many of her detractors need to honestly ask themselves. It is not enough for her or Bill to admit mistakes, apologize or show genuine remorse for past mistakes in judgment or actions but it is ok to support those who never are held accountable for anything, refuse to apologize, and wag fingers in our faces when asked to explain their own positions. Some stuff just doesn't make sense.

[SwampG8r]

1. No thanks

Saw the arkansas travlin show in the 90s and she was there pushing for every bad policy
No thanks

[Jitter65]

2. Which bad policies? I recall they left Arkansa much better off than they found it.

Especially with education.

[TheBlackAdder]

29. As a poli-sci guy, you'd better downplay that talking point due to some state revenue sources.

.


I'm a staunch Dem, and I know some Republican operatives know what I am referring to and have it in ther arsenel, but I am not going to outright state things that might be lost or forgotten to some. Let the GOPers scrounge for the information, I'm not helping them.


.

[CountAllVotes]

31. The student loan policies she is pushing are ....

The same ones the her husband Bill had!

I remember it only too well as I got sucked into consolidating my loans at 8% interest and the 20-years to pay them off and they'll be excused roped me in real good!

I don't think anyone is paying 8% interest on a federally-insured student loan these days and god help them if they are!

[Gomez163]

102. Yeah, raising taxes on the rich was such a bad policy

[Warren DeMontague]

117. Letting Tyson Chicken pollute the crap out of the river systems?

[hobbit709]

3. Here's some music for you while you think about it.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

4. Sorry, my conscience is clean. I don't adhere

to corporate enabling politicians.

Create any bogeyman argument excuse that you want if it helps you rationalized incremental centrism.

[sixersixersixer]

62. +1

[LWolf]

5. I don't hate her.

Neither do I respect her. I lost that way back in the 90s during the election season that elected her husband.

She hasn't done anything since then to change my perspective. She's done quite a bit to cement it.

As a woman, I find her excusing her cheating husband for political purposes to be repugnant, to say the least. Setting that aside, though, the bottom line is this: she's a neo-liberal. She can't overcome that. She doesn't want to.

I do not respect, nor do I, will I, support neo-liberals. Any of them.

[Vote2016]

12. this ^ . I don't hate Hillary (or Kasich, for that matter), I just don't share her valuesor support

her.

She'd be a better president than Cruz or Trump, but then again, so would Kasich.

If my vote was going to make a difference (like it might if I lived in Florida) I'd have a strong inclination to vote for our nominee no matter who we pick.

But since my top-of-the-ticket vote won't matter, I'll vote my conscience without hatred to any candidate.

[840high]

52. Thank you.

[Android3.14]

6. I dunno, perhaps contributed to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people?

Calling a love for a pathway towards peace as "hate" is unfortunate, but typical.

So tell us, Jitter65, is thinking a it is a good idea to avoid useless war and unlawful slaughter introspective enough for you?

[Thinkingabout]

48. Contributing to the deaths of 80 people a day will never be a pathway to halt the unlawful

slaughter in the US by gun violence, yet Sanders voted five times against the Brady Bill in which allowed the Charleston loophole to remain. How many more Americans needs to die by gun violence before Sanders can admit his votes were wrong, say he is sorry?

[Bluenorthwest]

7. Preachy people need to buy looking glasses.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=329307&sub=trans

[Doctor_J]

17. wow. Now THERE is some hatred. Why are conservatives all such bitter, projecting

liars?

[Thinkingabout]

54. Was this nice to call out a DU member or do we need to show you profile page.

[angrychair]

88. Justified

To call attention to a Transparency page, why else would it be there?
Neither of the two have one.

Lastly, the OP has several hides, including, in my opinion, the worst kind here on DU, the poor-shaming "free stuff" memes. I find it disgusting and vile for a so-called Democrat to attack poor and struggling people with "free stuff" memes like some right-wing teapublican.

[Thinkingabout]

93. So when I see four hides on the one who posted the page should I link the page?

[angrychair]

98. A transparency page

Is free game. The other two have no transparency tab. It should be noted, my statement came with no qualifications. I don't care who you support, a transparency tab is always fair game. I have noted it several times if it is relevant to their post or OP, as it is in this case.
I will also always call out all OPs and post of "free stuff" memes and those that use or recommend anti Semitic, neo-nazi hate sites as sources. I think those two things are truly the most vile and hateful things I have ever seen on this website.

[Thinkingabout]

100. Your choice, it is a nasty move. got it, bye

[angrychair]

103. So is using

"Free stuff" memes and neo-nazi hate sites as a source and their batshit crazy conspiracy theories.

Why do you seem so much more upset about using a transparency tab than someone using right-wing "free stuff" memes and neo-nazi hate sites as a source.
Hmmmm, I wonder thinkingabout it.

[Bluenorthwest]

105. That Transparency Page is a tool provided by Skinner as part of the Glorious Amnesty

It's part of the deal, it's public information and those who feel they have the right to mount the podium and lecture others should have their own truth displayed and they should be proud of that truth.
People to want to preach at others need to have their own ducks in a tidy row. The OP is a nasty conservative who would not be present today if the community standards had been allowed to stand.

[Thinkingabout]

110. Just as Skinner changed the rules for a timeout to five hides in 90 days

But it became oblivious a lot of silly hides was occurring which was nothing more than a difference in opinion. Transparency page lost its mission. Lots of nasty post were left while others which was not was hidden. There was alert stalking, jury system abused.

[Warren DeMontague]

120. Yeah, i'd love it if he decides to simultaenously turn that shizz back on when he calls the primary

That would be a thing of beauty, because a lot of people have been taking advantage of their "free pass" to say some very nasty shit, here.

[Corporate666]

144. He has 5 hides, you have 4....

Are you saying that is a huge difference?

[Bobbie Jo]

127. No, you would get a hide for that.

So would I...

[JudyM]

124. Yes! Poor-shaming is exactly what it is. Revolting.

[Warren DeMontague]

119. I think when the transparency page all-stars decide to lecture the rest of us

It becomes relevant.

[JudyM]

123. +1

[dreamnightwind]

147. Thanks for bringing that to our attention

Nice to know people's history, helps put current statements in context.

[Yurovsky]

8. Sorry, anyone owned by Goldman Sachs is worthy of scorn and vitriol...

you honestly think those Wall Street fuckers are benevolent? That they AREN'T fuckng over working-class and poor Americans EVERY GODDAMN DAY?

Hillary could have chosen the people instead of the powerful. But her greed and desire to be one of the 0.001% - and to RULE over the "great unwashed""- lead her to align herself with the very forces that shit on average Americans to earn BILLIONS in ill-gotten blood money.

Sorry, I will not look the other way or give her or Bill a free pass. Why don't you ask one of the millions of POC who the Clintons banished to the prison-industrial complex why anyone could be hostile to the Clintons? You know, those "super-predators" that occupy the nightmares of lily-white 1%ers who stroke checks for Bill & Hillary...

Gee, how could anyone not be super-duper jazzed to pull the lever for HRC???

[DURHAM D]

9. You called it in your 3rd paragraph -

they hate Bill for being trailer trash and Hillary for being married to trailer trash thus she is also trash.

[Autumn]

10. I like Bill I don't hate Hillary, I don't want her as President

and I'd vote for Bill again in a heart beat. I think he's a pretty decent guy as far as Presidents go.

[bkkyosemite]

27. I don't think Bil has done decent things.

[Autumn]

36. As far as presidents go he wasn't bad, not great but not bad. His personal

actions I always considered those none of my business. I probably should have clarified, as far as the current crop of democrats I think he's a decent guy and I would vote for him in a heart beat over the others, and certainly over Hillary.

[CountAllVotes]

83. Done w/Bill

The welfare reform and Monica finished me off.

I did not vote for him when he ran time #2 as he sickened me so.

I wrote someone else in that I thought was better for the job.

[whatchamacallit]

11. Your post starts with bullshit and gets worse

I remember my disgust for "Hillary's brother-in-law", W, eclipsed anything I ever felt about a politician before. I don't like Hillary, don't trust her, don't believe she will serve anyone but members of her class, but I don't hate her. GWB, on the other hand...

[Autumn]

38. ^^^This^^^

[riderinthestorm]

13. Her tepid incrementalism on climate change guarantees Madame President's failed legacy

She will go down in history as the worst president ever for her failure to aggressively lead on this.

I am angry on humanity's part. I will have a clear conscience. You get to own the coming disasters.

[Autumn]

39. Exactly. She does not have the moral courage to do what needs to be done

to temper the coming disaster.

[riderinthestorm]

71. I'm a woman and passionate feminist.

I would love to have a woman president.

Just not this one.

And I meant Madame President with the deepest respect. Zero snark - your deep hatred for Sanders supporters is coloring your perception.

Sad.

[riderinthestorm]

74. Madame President is not sexist. Its official protocol

Look it up.

And I've never addressed or assigned disrespecful names to Hillary Clinton.

Feel free to look that up too.

[riderinthestorm]

81. Nope. I'd use Madame Speaker's appropriate title as well

It's called respect.

I realize some Hillary supporters actually do have respectful conversations. They're the classy ones.

There are some posters however who I'll never see the same way again after this election

Feel free to have the last word.

[99Forever]

14. "Physician heal thyself."

I suggest a mirror for your smug, condescending, fucking tone deaf ass.

[Doctor_J]

15. Your post is ridiculous

Even GWB in his worse actions and inactions has never garnered the level of hate and vitriol thrown at Hillary

Why would you post such a blatant lie? Every new post from Camp I Like War is farther removed from reality.

[hobbit709]

16. There's something in the atmospheric mix on Planet Hillary that causes hallucinations.

[cherokeeprogressive]

18. Heed your own words.

[ljm2002]

19. Hypocrisy on display here...

...take a look folks, at this poster's opinion of why Bernie is staying in the race:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1875560

"Bernie's real prize is the speakiing engagements and book deals he is looking to hoist him

and Jane into the 1%. Don't fool yourselves. Bernie's wealth envy is evident."

And you think you have any fucking right whatsoever to lecture others on being nasty towards your candidate?

That's rich.

[rhett o rick]

25. Saying that Sanders has wealth envy is total projection.

The Clintons have been dragging bags of cash home to the tune of $10 million per year and that doesn't even count their Foundation Retirement Fund that they both will go to work for in retirement.

[ljm2002]

28. Of course it is!

And when it comes from someone who supports the Clintons, who have already demonstrated how utterly venal they are, it's... rich. That's the kindest word I can think of for it.

And the post I cited, of course, negates this OP 100%. You cannot post nasty lying shit about an opponent, and then complain that people are posting nasty lying shit about your own preferred candidate. Well you can, of course: but then we get to call you on it.

[Jitter65]

32. Well, just tell me it's wrong this time next year. nt

[baldguy]

20. She's an uppity woman who had the gall to run against a man and win.

That's pretty much the whole basis for the hatred of Hillary Clinton.

[hobbit709]

22. No, she's corrupt as hell.

there are at least 25 million constitutionally eligible women that would get my vote before I'd ever vote for another Clinton.

I like uppity women. I do not like corrupt people of either gender.

[rhett o rick]

24. She backed the Republicons when we needed her to be tough.

[TheCowsCameHome]

41. We know she's uppity......

.....but it pales in the whole scheme of things.

[angrychair]

89. Your sexiest baiting

Is banal and ridiculous.

[grasswire]

90. not even you believe that's so. nt

[angrychair]

101. Hey baldguy

Isn't this you that recommended a OP that used anti Semitic, neo-nazi, holocaust denying websites and their batshit crazy conspiracy theories to attack a Democratic candidate of Jewish heritage?

Why do you recommend OPs that that use neo-Nazi hate sites as a source?

[baldguy]

111. You didn't even bother to read the post in your link, did you?

"Again, I am not writing this to smear Bernie - I believe non of it - I am just pointing out the political sewage which will be directed at Sanders if he wins the nomination."

CajunBlazer was just pointing out that Sanders hasn't had to face the same type of evil RW shit that Clinton has had to deal with for 30+ yrs. But, as we have seen Sanders' fans are certainly willing to use that same evil RW shit to attack her & other Democrats.

[angrychair]

112. You recommend it

Not just wrote a post on it.
A OP that used a neo-nazi, holocaust denying hate site and its batshit crazy conspiracy theories to attack a democratic candidate of Jewish heritage that had family murdered in Nazi concentration camps.

Make whatever excuse you need to sleep at night. Doesn't change the fact you endorsed the use of neo-Nazi, holocaust-denying hate sites as a source on a Democratic website.

[baldguy]

125. And you didn't bother to read my post either.

[angrychair]

129. You didn't post in that OP

You also realize it is a very common tool of racist and neo-Nazis to say things like "I'm not saying I agree with this but..." In order to give themselves cover to say the things they say.

Now, by me saying that racist and neo-Nazis often use that tactic, doesn't mean I think you or anyone that recommended or the writer of that OP are one just that it is a common tactic.

[baldguy]

133. I never said I did.

Reading comprehension skills go a long way.

From what you're saying, it's verboten for CajunBlazer to negatively point out what the RW would do to Sanders if they ever got their claws into him, but it's perfectly fine - even encouraged - for BernieBrats to not only point out what the RW would do and has done to Clinton in a positive way, but to reuse those most evil RW arguments against her as their own.

Do I got that right?

[angrychair]

136. The fact you defend this says a lot about you

Posting filth from a holocaust-denying, neo-Nazi hate site is not opposition research but actually what it looks like, posting filth from a neo-Nazi, holocaust-denying hate site against a Jewish Democratic candidate.

It is not "new" for a Jewish person to be attacked using filth from a neo-nazi hate site nor is it on par with posting stuff from faux news, so there is nothing to be gained from that type of posting unless you have an alternative reason for posting such filth. Wonder what that reason is...

[baldguy]

138. You forget: BernieBrats often post stuff from faux news - when it's attacking Clinton.

And there's nothing new about an accomplished, successful woman being attacked as a whore - filth which is also often spewed by the BernieBrats. They don't even try to hide their contempt and disdain for Clinton and the people - especially the women - who support her.

[angrychair]

139. that you think these issues are the same

Is equally disturbing.
for whatever reasons you tell youself justifies posting sources and conspiracy theories from pro-nazi websites than so be it. It's disgusting and it very self-evident that you don't care.

[baldguy]

140. Posting RW shit as a caution is nowhere near the same as doing so with joyful gusto & wild abandon.

Saying "If Sanders wins, this is where the GOP is going to go," is very different from "Look at the latest lying RW anti-Clinton propaganda! Isn't it GREAT! Let's repeat it a million times!" That you think the first is unacceptable & the second is admirable, and not the other way around, shows just how far down the RW anti-Clinton, anti-Democratic rabbit hole you're descended.

[angrychair]

142. It's not RW shit

It's neo-nazi hate.

Get a grip, you are starting, becoming, are, irrational about this issue.

[baldguy]

150. Yes, it is RW shit. And you don't like it when it's directed against Sanders

But you encourage it when its directed against Clinton.

The hypocrisy of Bernie fans is astonishing.

[angrychair]

161. No

Neo-nazi, holocaust-denying hate sites and teapublican nonsense from faux news are NOT the same. Not even the same zip code.
The fact you don't understand or admit that says everything I need to know.

Secondly, I encourage nothing. I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Your rambling, stop and take a breath before you end up with another hide.

[baldguy]

169. "I have no idea what the hell you are talking about."

And THAT'S the problem.

[peace13]

152. Pretty rude on your part.

[baldguy]

153. Try reading some of the anti-Clinton shit that gets posted.

[peace13]

156. I do. I know.

The use of the U word is rude.

[baldguy]

168. Then complain to the people who believe it

And show it with their words & actions.

[QC]

21. What about your own "hate and vitriol"?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=329307&sub=trans

[fun n serious]

87. Did you look at them?

They're all bogus... A way to shut us down

[QC]

94. Wow! 19 hides.

And you're complaining about other people's behavior here?

[fun n serious]

99. Behavior has nothing to do with it..

Overly sensitive people demanding censorship is more appropriate

[JSup]

135. Which is where...

...most of the hides on both sides of the candidates come from. Seriously, I saw a "Go Hillary!" OP in the HRC group get hidden; I would guess that there are equally ridiculous example in the Bernie group (I don't visit so I wouldn't know).

Using number of hides as an example of who to take seriously is stupid when this shit is going on.

[Bluenorthwest]

107. They are not bogus. He deserved them all and you deserved yours too, anyone can

look and see what they say. You need to own your work, it represents Hillary perfectly. It's mean, dishonest and creepy.

[fun n serious]

113. I disagree.

I am an American. we shed blood for my freedom of speech

[Fumesucker]

115. This is a private site, you and I are here on tolerance of the owner who sets the rules

Free speech has nothing to do with it.

[fun n serious]

118. I did not violate TOS but

I see a lot of people doing it right now advocating 3rd party

[Fumesucker]

121. It doesn't matter, if they want you gone you're gone, they want you to stay you stay

Skinner, Elad and EarlG are much like Hillary, it's their place, their rules and they can break them if they wish

[rhett o rick]

23. She betrayed her party, her country, our troops, the innocent people of Iraq

when she, not only voted with Bush/Cheney but repeated their lies. I expected Bush and Cheney to lie, the whole world knew they were lying, but when we needed her the most, she chose to side with the Republicons, she sided with Bush and Cheney.

It wasn't a mistake, it was a blatant betrayal. Dick Cheney is smiling at the justification of his war that the election of Hillary will bring.

[Jitter65]

30. BS..her vote alone did not get us into war. And she has said it was a mistake, since then

Bernie's vote for increased military spending for Afghanistan and Iraq and increased military actions has been almost identical to Hillary's when she was in the Senate,

[Live and Learn]

76. Everyone that voted for it is responsible for it. Thus she is responsible.

Afghanistan was a completely different vote held for completely different reason. Apples and oranges.

And let's not forget her cheer leading for NAFTA, TPP, Welfare Reform, private prisons and Wall Street.

[rhett o rick]

85. She stood and repeated the Bush lies. It was a betrayal. When we needed her to be tough

she acquiesced to Bush and Cheney. Her vote was important, because she was a Democrat that, instead of checking and balancing the crazy-assed Republicons, she sided with the bastard Republcons. And she promulgated their lies.

And now she, still without showing empathy for the hundreds of thousands that died or were wounded, she brushes it off as a "mistake". So explain to me what the mistake was. Did she mistakenly believe the Bush lies when those with brains screamed that they were lies. The French and German government were stating publicity that the evidence wasn't there. Did she believe liars like Bush and Cheney? I doubt it. So what was the mistake? I think she did it because her good friends in the MIC were to profit and they would in turn be grateful. Now she just wants to pretend it never happened. That hundreds of thousands of innocent people were brutally murdered in a war that many of us didn't want.

She is tough, but tough on the Iraqi people and not tough on Republicons.

[peace13]

151. Let's be clear, she did more than vote for it!

She sold it with all of her might! She sold it. She didn't just find herself faced with a vote and make a decision. She was responsible for scaring millions of Americans into believing that somehow Iraq was a threat and that this was somehow related to 9/11. She worked for * and Shooter.

[Live and Learn]

73. + a gazillion. nt

[lumberjack_jeff]

26. Sanders has highlighted the degree to which we've gone down the rabbit hole.

Yes, Clinton wouldn't inspire such vitriol were it not for the example of traditional democratic values exemplified by Sanders.

But now that we've been pulled from said rabbit hole - we need better.

[Trust Buster]

33. My observation is that Sanders' supporters have behaved every bit as vicious and vitriolic during

these primaries as have the Tea Party since their inception. It has been simply stunning to watch the intolerance. The lesson I learned is that the political fringes are extreme in temperament by definition.

[DemonGoddess]

45. ^^^This!!!

I don't understand the irrational hatred either. But then again, I've never been a person to subscribe to extremes in anything. Extremes, whether to the left or the right, have too narrow of a focus.

[Autumn]

47. My observation is that Clinton supporters have behaved every bit as vicious and vitriolic during

these primaries as have the Tea Party since their inception. It has been simply stunning to watch the intolerance. The lesson I learned is that the political fringes are extreme in temperament by definition.

See that? It all depends on which window you are looking out of. Progressives are not the fringe.

[dlwickham]

50. you're amusing

when I started posting stuff in favor of Hillary, you would have thought I was supporting someone who Satan incarnate from the comments and attacks I received

of course there are plenty of bernie supporters who think she is Satan and say as much any time someone posts something positive about her

[Autumn]

59. Better to be amusing than whatever. I'm guessing you have all the right hillary supporters on ignore

since you have missed all the disgusting comments and attacks that Bernie and his supporters have received from hillary supporters. The antisemitism directed at Bernie from some here has been disgusting.

[dlwickham]

63. I don't have any Hillary supporters on ignore

have plenty of bernie supporters on ignore because of their hateful screeds

[Autumn]

64. I guess you find some hateful screeds more acceptable than others then.

You have a good day. And by that I mean, have a good day.

[dlwickham]

134. glad to see you that proved my point

thanks

[nini]

53. The Authoritarian Progressive is the fringe though

And that's what we're seeing with many of the 'New Progressives'

[Autumn]

61. Sure you are. nt

[Live and Learn]

79. You see things through warped glasses. nt

[Beacool]

137. Hear, hear!!!!

Nothing has been left out of the RW barrel of feces. The only accusation I have yet to read is that Hillary killed Vince Foster, even the Mena conspiracy was mentioned. Nothing is sacred, there's no self control and no blow that some would consider to post on a supposed Democratic site. Heck, even Trump is treated with more respect.

But in life he who laughs last, laughs best.....or she, in this case.

[uponit7771]

145. +1

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

34. I don't hate her and I don't speak or think of her with vitriol.

I just don't think she'd be a very good president (better then Trump or Cruz? Hell, yes; but a person selected at random off the street probably would be better than either of those maniacs). I don't like her cautious incrementalism, her coziness with Wall Street, or her bellicosity. I don't like it that her stated positions seem to be poll- and focus-group-driven rather than genuinely held. I can't help being skeptical of someone who has made millions giving speeches to the likes of Goldman Sachs' executives; how am I to believe she'd even try to do a single thing to control the greed of the financial sector, the very people who have made her very rich?

I don't give a damn about her relationship with her horndog husband - if she chose to put up with his shenanigans that's her business, not ours. Her gender has nothing to do with my opinion of her - I'd feel exactly the same way about a male candidate who held the same positions and did and said the same things. I just don't like her as a politician or a candidate. No hate, no vitriol; just a big ... meh.

[artislife]

42. Good post.

I must admit to really really not liking her.

It really started in 2008 and the build up to Super Tuesday.


But this last year, her record, her words and her actions have only deepen the emotion.

[840high]

56. .+1

[KPN]

35. What has she done?

speeches to Wall Street at $267K a crack or so
LIBYA!!!????
vote for war in Iraq
promote fracking around the globe
"Dodd-Frank has fixed the problem"
pander to *.*
flip flop on every important issue numerous times over the past 20 years
support tough on crime bill
TPP is the gold standard
and the list goes on and on -- that's just what came to mind in the first 15 seconds

You would do well to do a little introspection as well (that is if you are really a real Democrat as opposed to a New Democrat).

[Thinkingabout]

143. At least Sanders is using Dodd Frank now to break up the banks, before he called for

The reinstatement of Glass Stegall, now he knows Dodd Frank does what he needs.
See, Hillary has given guidance to Sanders.

[The_Commonist]

37. "...Even GWB in his worse actions and inactions...

...has never garnered the level of hate and vitriol thrown at Hillary..."

I'm just going to go ahead and assume that you fell off that turnip truck on Tuesday Jan 12, 2016, and somehow landed here at DU for the very first time shortly afterwards. Also, I would like to suggest that you take your own advice and try a little introspection. I don't think it would do much good, but you know, it would probably be time better spent than writing drivel like this.

Good luck!

[artislife]

40. Introspection-you start first. nt

[HassleCat]

43. Why I am angry

Hillary Clinton is part of the hijacking of our party by the third way forces. Their strategy has made us the minority party at every level of government, from Congress, to governors, to state legislatures, to city and county government. We focus almost exclusively on the presidency, and we get it sometimes, but we have to align ourselves with special interests that are not compatible with traditional Democratic values. This is not Clinton's fault, but she does all she can to perpetuate the system that favors her candidacy, the system that freezes out progressive candidates, the system that makes our party a safe haven for some real neanderthals.

[Dems to Win]

97. +1

[TheCowsCameHome]

44. Boy, did you strike a nerve over in GDP with this post.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107121519

(Responder #1 is gonna get banned from Mecca).

[The_Commonist]

57. And I wear it like a Badge of Honor!

[Buzz cook]

66. I got you beat

My first post to the Bernie group got me kicked. My sin was asking for a link.

[TheCowsCameHome]

75. Nah. Camp Bansalot leads, 859 - 357

[eridani]

149. The ratios are even more telling

Sanders group
Number of subscribers: 1038
Number of people trashing: 178
Number banned: 358
Ratio of subscribers to banned: 2.90

Clinton group
Number of subscribers: 410
Number of people trashing: 429
Number banned: 859
Ratio of subscribers to banned: 0.48

[TheCowsCameHome]

78. Disallowed and Proud.

Life is good.

[PowerToThePeople]

46. How about, they are right wing.

That is all I need to know to make my voting choices.

UNrec

[NurseJackie]

49. I think you hit a nerve. I'm not sure if it will make any difference, but ...

... no message could have been any clearer.

[TheCowsCameHome]

51. More like "have" than "hit"

[Gothmog]

58. K&R

[bvf]

60. War dead.

Private prisons.
Continued incarceration for marijuana "offenses."
Welfare "reform."
Praise for Reagan's stance on AIDS.
Wall Street corruption.
Union busting.
Bosnian "sniper fire."
"Me too" out the ass, when the time is right.

That's for starters.

[peace13]

154. Thank you for this.

The list is so sad that my brain just can't embrace it! I took a screen shot to remind me of why I feel eternal sadness when I think of people with little, voting for her.....actually, I feel sadness when I think of anyone voting for her! I fear we are in for a wild ride!

[northernsouthern]

65. Lol...

...if you have to ask then you don't care what the actual answer is. You have already shown you don't read or care about any of the posts that have explained it now clearly for month and months.

P.S. Your trailer trash line is pointless. I grew up poor and in the south, and she is rich and from the north. She can fake an accident and that was enough to get the south to vote for her (look at elections in the past...the south seems to vote Dem based only on accents, the two Dems they voted on in the last few decades both had southern accents).

[frylock]

67. ..

[livetohike]

68. K&R

[SunSeeker]

69. K & R

[EndElectoral]

70. I examined myself. Went through introspection. Still can't vote for HRC.

[apnu]

80. In the Primary, GE, or both?

Just curious what your thoughts are should Hillary be in the GE. And you are given the choice between her and Trump.

[LaurenG]

95. How rude.

That isn't a choice. That's a freaking nightmare. You guys are too eager to get people to take a loyalty pledge. Leave people alone for crying out loud.

[apnu]

162. I asked for no pledge.

You're lumping me in with some idea you have in your head. I was genuinely curious what the person's answer was.

[LaurenG]

165. This is how one gets the boot from here.

If one is truthful about how they feel they get closer and closer to having to leave permanently.

[apnu]

166. I've always spoke the truth as I see it here

Look at the age of my account. Never got the boot. I really don't understand what you're talking about.

[LaurenG]

167. I'm sorry that Im being cryptic

I won't try to explain any further.

[bjo59]

82. What you may fail to understand is that the people to whom you refer

have carefully considered Clinton's record, something that, apparently, many, many Clinton supporters have not.

[grasswire]

92. +++

It's amazing how ill informed many Hillary supporters are about their own candidate.

[PufPuf23]

84. Have some introspection and self-reflection yourself please. Watch this:

Watch this:

Hillary Clinton does not have the character to be CIC or POTUS.

SOS Clinton did not faithfully carry out the foreign policy of POTUS Obama in Libya.

There were 100s of emails released by WikiLeaks between Blumenthal and Clinton.

Blumenthal did not have security clearance.

POTUS Obama had specifically banned Blumenthal from the State Department.

The contents of the emails spoke of private business opportunities.

Blumenthal was a paid employee of The Clinton Foundation contemporary.

[Betty Karlson]

86. "when I can find nothing in her past or present that would warrant such hatred." - someone's drinkin

Kool-Aid.

How about DADT, DOMA, TPP, TTIP, obstruction of civil rights, for-profit prisons, loan sharks, the Wall Street ties, the vote for the IWR, the clusterf*cks in Syria and Libya (both happened on her watch, in flagrant disregard to the president's directive NOT to consult with Blumenthal) and so on?

And as for that "admit mistakes, apologize or show genuine remorse for past mistakes in judgment or actions" - I have yet to see Hillary Clinton do that even once. Remember her totally disconnected-from-reality remarks about Nancy Reagan's "silent activism to start the national conversation on AIDS"? (May the B*TCH ROT IN HELL, by the way - she and her B-list husband deadpanned that conversation and wanted thge gay cancer to work its magic.)

First we got two flimsy twitterlines, then a second attempt which failed just as miserably:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511483223

[LaurenG]

91. You first.

I think you should turn this around and really examine why you feel others should feel ok about someone they detest. It would be to many as if we asked you to vote for GW and then asked you to turn within to find why you don't want to vote for those policies.

If our country could begin to grow and change in ways that democrats USED to believe in, rather than for Wall Street, endless wars and allowance for far right wing policies to invade or re-invade our lives, WHY would you vote for that? For that matter why would ANYONE vote for that?

[Dems to Win]

96. Some folks really need to examine the Clintons. Integrity and good judgement are important.

Just one of the many reasons to be angry at Bill: Lending the prestige and honor of a former President to the for-profit college chain Laureate, that exploits the poor and locks people into huge lifelong debt from student loans. Instead of encouraging people to go to community colleges, which are cheaper and have better programs, he chose to make an easy $4million trading off his position as former president. Cashing in on his public service, at the expense of people who can't afford to be taken in.

Just one of the many reasons to be angry at Hillary: She shot the fat middle finger to Occupy Wall Street every time she went through the bank doors to make a $250,000 speech. Cashing in on her public service, taking money from the very people who had crashed the economy and stolen millions of homes from Americans via mortgage fraud.

Now she doesn't understand why young people and people in financial despair don''t want to vote for her. It'd be funny, if she wasn't the likely Democratic nominee, supported by almost all Democratic leaders. She should have had the political smarts to know that these speeches would be toxic in any future campaign. The fact she didn't is one more example of her poor judgement. It makes it much harder for sincere Democrats to try to convince the people who identify as the 99% to vote for her; a millstone we sure didn't need.

[guillaumeb]

104. Some comments:

When you wrote:

What am I missing? One can not like the Clinton's politics or be angry about past policies that Bill Clinton wrongly gets accused of passing all by himself but, my god, the mas has not committed mass murder, killed dogs, or sent the country off to unnecessary war. Just what is it?

you are overlooking the point that William Clinton was an enthusiastic supporter of the Gramm, Leach Blily Act, an enthusiastic supporter of what is called welfare reform, and an architect of the Iraq sanctions that resulted in the deaths of an estimated 500,000 Iraqi children.

You are correct that Clinton did not actually send troops into open combat, but his actions were an act of war by any reasonable judgment.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

106. I don't hate her. I just think she's unfit to be president.

[truedelphi]

108. What are you jabbering on about? So

what if some people called Bill trailer trash - people get called really really bad names all the time if they go into politics. It is not something that makes me happy, but it is a reality, and let's face it, Bill is quite well set up these days. Hardly like there wasn't a fabulous pay off for him.

But here are the many reasons why we don't want Hillary as President:

Clinton supporters have to somehow overlook not only "past history" but on going current day events, like what is happening in the Honduras. Women progressive political leaders are being murdered left and right, and this can be traced back to HRC's policies at State Department.

The HRC supporters have to overlook the release of classified material to Blumenthal, they have to overlook the Bill Clinton/Epstein situation. They have to overlook the dead bodies in Iraq. They have to overlook how hard the State Department pushed for the XL Pipeline.

And just what was the Quid Pro Quo for her for her husband helping destroy our economy? (Bill Clinton signed off on the Bank Modernization and reform Act that smashed Glass Steagall protections for the middle class into pieces.) No wonder she gets the big bucks for speeches in front of corporations.

The Clinton supporters have to overlook so many questionable activities that the Clintons participated in, including their setting Kerry up so his major influence the day after the Stolen Election of 2004 was their guy Carville whispering in his ear that the outstanding ballots in Ohio did not amount to much.

There is the lack of supervision over the budgetary handling of State Department monies, so that it is estimated that some 6 billions of dollars are unaccounted for. Then there is last year when Bill went walking away from his honorarium for the Laureate "Educational Institute, as he knew it would be bad form if anyone discovered how it was he made the three million a year since 2010. How does any individual get to do this? And the money is from a supposed "Educational Foundation" that appears to have gotten money from the State Department that Hillary was running.

And on and on, with even the Epstein sordidness impacting her campaign!

Meanwhile all Bernie has done is to refuse to release his 2015, 2016, and 2017 tax returns!

[highprincipleswork]

109. No kidding. Introspection is always important. Projection not. These "guesses" as to what motivates

Bernie supporters to work against Hillary chooses to ignore everything, just everything that Bernie supporters say. I mean, what's up with that? You just can't believe that we would hold Bill responsible for things like The Telecommunications Act of 1996 which totally messed up the media to become what it is today?

Truly, introspection is not looking at what other people say motivates them and then believing it really must be something else.

Introspection, yes. When you look introspectively, what is it about Hillary that you actually find so attractive?

[Armstead]

114. Okay, I'll examine myself.

Okay, introspection over. Still don't like her.

[Warren DeMontague]

116. Cool story, bro.

I can list very simply the issues I have with HRC, and none of them have anything to do with her husband's childhood, her marriage, etc.

They start with things like voting for the IWR and proposing legislation banning flag burning. Carried forward into this campaign, they have to do with running an outdated, intellectually vacuous campaign, supporting things like a "manhattan project" to defeat everyone's iphone encryption, refusing to lead on cannabis legalization, etc.

but I dont "hate" her. I will support her as nominee although i fully intend to vote for someone else in the primary.

[Vattel]

122. Why do you think that Bernie needs to be forgiven for saying this:

Mr. Speaker, let me begin with a profound remark: Two plus two equals four.

In other words, there is a logical and rational process called cause and effect. In terms of Newtonian physics, that means that every action causes an equal and opposite reaction. In other words, Mr. Speaker, there are reasons why things happen, as controversial as that statement may be.

A farmer neglects to tend and care for his fields—it is likely that the crop will fail.

A company neglects to invest in research and development—it is likely that the company will not be profitable.

In a similar way, Mr. Speaker, a society which neglects, which oppresses and which disdains a very significant part of its population—which leaves them hungry, impoverished, unemployed, uneducated, and utterly without hope, will, through cause and effect, create a population which is bitter, which is angry, which is violent, and a society which is crime-ridden. This is the case in America, and it is the case in countries throughout the world.

Mr. Speaker, how do we talk about the very serious crime problem in America without mentioning that we have the highest rate of childhood poverty in the industrialized world, by far, with 22 percent of our children in poverty and 5 million who are hungry today? Do the Members think maybe that might have some relationship to crime? How do we talk about crime when this Congress is prepared, this year, to spend 11 times more for the military than for education; when 21 percent of our kids drop out of high school; when a recent study told us that twice as many young workers now earn poverty wages as 10 years ago; when the gap between the rich and the poor is wider, and when the rate of poverty continues to grow? Do the members think that might have some relationship to crime?

Mr. Speaker, it is my firm belief that clearly, there are some people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them. But it is also my view that through the neglect of our Government and through a grossly irrational set of priorities, we are dooming tens of millions of young people to a future of bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence. And Mr. Speaker, all the jails in the world, and we already imprison more people per capita than any other country, and all of the executions in the world, will not make that situation right. We can either educate or electrocute. We can create meaningful jobs, rebuilding our society, or we can build more jails. Mr. Speaker, let us create a society of hope and compassion, not one of hate and vengeance.

If only the Clintons had agreed. We would be better off.

[realmirage]

126. She didn't do anything except beat their candidate.

That's why they're mad. That's what competition does to people

[katmille]

128. K and R

[uponit7771]

146. +1

[shadowandblossom]

130. Some is policy difference, some is personality, some is baggage, a lot is aversive sexism.

Now I'm getting out of GD-p before I'm lynched.

[shadowandblossom]

131. Our culture has a problem with women in authority and women with power.

.

[nc4bo]

132. That transparency page just outed you . Here's a little tippy-poo

If you give "it" a break, it won't show anymore.

[Jitter65]

163. Transparency is really alert stalking based. You can't stop me from expressing my opinions. nt

[nc4bo]

164. Not some of the bullshit I've read coming from you or Camp clintbrock

Full of shit doesn't even begin to describe it.

And about your opinion, I give 0 shits about your opinion - I'll just call out BS when its obvious.

I don't think you even made it onto the "alert stalk" list despite your feelings of persecution.

[nadinbrzezinski]

141. Let me tell you something

I know any polititian in DC from shinola. Ok, there are a couple notable exceptions, and I still don't know them. So I do not believe there is personal animus...I could walk by them in tje street and big whoop. Yes, I have that attitude with all politicians.

Alas in theory, I know it is not a real theory at the present time, oligarchies being what they are, but in theory they work for me, you and every other citizen in the country. In fact, under modern political democratic theory they work for any resident in the country, resident or citizen alike. So I cannot hate these folks.

You are confusing, which is natural where we really are...we were discussing this the other day, whether this started under Reagan or Bill Clinton, a love of a politician, and a critique of their policies with hate. This is where we enter into a now obvious cult of personality. With Reagan, tje myth still lives (though it is starting to die). Forgive me, but some of us will continue to analyze and critique policies that go against we the people. It's not hate.

Though your party is now a conservative business friendly party...it is what it is. I hope someday you will be able to apologize to people you actually know, for choosing people who are choosing a slow and actually very slow process to deal with human created climate change. Trust me, do not read James Hansen, or IPPC reports, if you want to keep the illusion going.

So yes, you are correct. Instrospection is needed...but not quite like what you think.

[fred v]

148. K&R x 100

Some people here despise her because she's human, unlike The Great God Bernie.

[IdaBriggs]

155. I hate her because I used to believe in her. I was loyal and she betrayed me.

She was stabbing me and my causes in the back while PRETENDING to support them to my face.

And now that I know what I know, I can't not know it. The abortion compromise was the last straw for her as a candidate.

And the email stuff -- she's either stupid or criminally incompetent or just plain criminal. I've never thought she was stupid; the jury is still out on the last two.

[pinebox]

157. She doesn't represent me. It's THAT simple.

For me, she is closer in nature to Republicans from the era of Gingrich and Dole than she is liberals. Notice I said "liberals" and not Democrats? I vote for progressives, not party's.

There are so many things which I disagree on with Hillary. I won't even go into it and I flat out don't trust her at all. I don't give a crap what she served as, FLOTUS or SOS, I didn't like Condi either and I didn't like Kissinger either. Just because someone served at a certain level doesn't make them qualified for the position that they seek, if that's the case, Dick Cheney is qualified.

Bad judgment is a huge issue and so is Hillary's constant changing of positions and a nod to Republicans with her stances which don't really help people. Her supporters continuously chant "NO WE CAN'T!" and defend calls for a non living wage of $12/hr, enabling people to hurt and suffer even more.

The working poor and the lower middle class can't take anymore. Our backs are broken and the disconnect is huge between Bernie & Hillary camps. There's literally Hillary supporters bragging on here about their million dollar houses while many people struggle to make rent or feed their kids.

Sorry, I don't vote Republican or conservative.

I'm under and over it.

[Surya Gayatri]

158. It really is a form of derangement that surpasses all reason...

Even GWB in his worse actions and inactions has never garnered the level of hate and vitriol thrown at Hillary./i]

[morningfog]

159. I have nothing against her as a person. I respect her as a person

and all of her accomplishments. I detest her foreign policy record and proposals.

I also do not find any consistency in her positions in a wide range of issues, so it makes I hard to trust where she will stand next.

[Gothmog]

160. K&R