Unless I got my math wrong that's how many delegates Clinton needs to lock the nomination.
Sanders needs 1026 to do the same.
There are 1241 delegates (including unpledged super delegates) remaining.
In 2008 super delegates defected from Clinton to Obama. That is what shifted the balance enough to give the nomination to Obama.
Does Sanders campaign have a plan to woo those delegates away from Clinton?
Bernie is welcome to fight for everything he can get. But does he have a specific plan in place to do what Obama did in 2008 by getting super delegates to defect?
If they don't, there will surely be a shitstorm like we've never seen before.
They are in place to help ensure that unelectable candidates are not nominated.
This is why he is talking up polls and such...he knows he won't be ahead. you think it is ethical to lost the primary and ask to be declared the winner?
You know, this sort of thing is a reason your candidate's losing - ask a simple question, get unresponsive cheerleading in return.
will also have soon enough. A majority of pledged delegates and a supermajority of Superdelegate commitments will be all that Secretary Clinton needs to lock the nomination.
But the race in 2008 was much closer than now in 2016. iirc the defection of super delegates started before Obama had a clear lead.
But you're correct, it was much closer ... I don't think Clinton was ever more than 150 pledged delegates away from Obama.
On Edit ... I just looked it up, it wasn't Super Tuesday (Clinton had a very small lead after that) ... it was the string of 11 wins Obama had right after that in mid-February that gave him the lead, which he never lost.
On Edit 2 ... also remember 2008 was very front loaded when it came to primaries. Super Tuesday had 22 states and American Samoa ... we were nearly 1/2 way done at that point.
attempt to 'woo' superdelegates away from Clinton. And it isn't pretty
Supers will vote for whoever wins the pledged delegates. If she loses the pledged delegates, she will absolutely lose the majority of her super delegates. So effectively only pledged delegates count right now, regardless of what an online comedy site tried to tell you.
One of the ways Bernie can win is by getting Clinton super delegates to defect. How does he do that?
That is the number needed in the house for
impeachment, if I remember correctly from
the last Clinton presidency.
they will try to impeach any democratic president.
So how does Bernie plan to be the one that gets impeached?
If he didn't have more pledged then he wouldn't have had more supers. Bernie only needs about 600 delegates to reach the 2026 needed for the bare majority. He will then have 2 months till the convention to win over superdelegates.
Obama picked up unpledged superdelegate with the lead. But he also got defectors from Clinton's campaign.
Clinton still had 257 superdelegates when she released them at the convention.
The others had a seat or public perception to hold onto.
...which he did in 2008. So yes, while it is possible -the scenario you are giving, it is far more unlikely than pretty much anything else.
Didn't see any lobbyists.
If as you say most were lobbyists then they should be easy to spot. That is what needs a citation.
The rest were not. It doesn't take a stretch of reasoning or intense critical thinking to figure the rest out =)
On edit: While lobbyists (like Howard Dean now) should be required to carry big signs and have an asterisk next to their name in every article entry, unfortunately they do not. But again, it doesn't take a huge stretch of reasoning to connect with why some superdelegates still vote for a candidate who has dropped out entirely of the race. Money can do that.
It will be interesting to see what comes of the DoJ, FBI and Clinton Foundation 'investigations'. The SD's WILL be affected by a negative outcome of any of them....
...Yep he's "doing nothing"
This whole discussion by the Bernie camp about Super Delegates is obfuscation so he can continue to asking for money and just in general be a trouble maker. He has no chance in heil of getting enough SDs to switch.
comes out against Hillary or Bill before the convention. That is the purpose of the super delegates, to make sure we are not stuck with a toxic candidate. I bet the Republicans wished they had super delegates right about now.
Not with the e-mail issue still floating out there. You never know when life will throw a curveball. I bet on February 12th, 2016, the conservatives were happy with the Supreme court and the next day everything changed.
And any email excuse is, based on all available information, nothing but a sideshow. The emails being re-classified is a non-story, the private server is a non-issue because it broke no existing law, and was similar to previous Sec. of State setup. Its a witchhunt created by the repukes that Sanders is now feeding fuel to.
about forcing platform concessions, and trying to get HRC more to the left on fiscal issues.
And about the e-mail, you are probably right. But, with the years and ties with the Clintons, there is always a chance something might come up.
They can nominate whoever they want if it goes to 2nd ballot.
are not locked in until they vote, HRC needs 717 delegates to win. Bernie needs 1024. These are CNN numbers.
Obama winning delegate count included superdelegates.
2,118 Needed to Win Obama had 1766.5 regular delegates and 463 supers for a total of 2229.5.
It was not till Clinton released her delegates that Obama had enough regular delegates to win.
If you remember Obama would have been declared the winner before he got Clinton's delegates. He would have won because of his superdelegate lead.
If Sanders or Clinton entered the convention with "just" a simple majority of regular delegates, then it would be the superdelegates that decided the nomination. Just as now with Clinton having a plurality of regular delegates and a lead in super delegates.
You have a different number but the result is the same, the winner is decided by superdelegates.
Neither will reach 2,383 through pledged delegates alone. But, there is no securing super delegates until the convention vote.
It is assumed that the pledged majority winner will be the nominee through super support. So our 218 number is meaningless. The number that matters is 2,026 and HIllary needs 361 to get there.
reach 2383 in regular delegates before the convention. She'd have to get slightly less than 60% which is not out of reach.
She has 1,665. Needs 718 more. There are 1,016 PDs left. In other words, 71%.
Which is heavily influenced by pledged delegates. Out of the 209 supers that still voted for Clinton after she dropped out (Which either candidate is likely to do if they lose enough pledged delegates), only 44.5 of them were party leaders or elected officials.
I have seriously looked at that list and I don't see lobbyists as one of the identifiers.
There is one person listed as "labor Leader" I suppose that could be a lobbyist. But he voted for Obama.
so adding them in at this time is misleading, if not downright dishonest.
They can be counted at any point after they publicly pledge their support, as hundreds have done already for Clinton.
It's the argument that the nomination must be won completely without super-delegates that is "misleading" and "dishonest." Nowhere in the rulebook does it say that the nominee must have 2383 pledged delegates. It's 2383 of ANY combination of delegates, pledged or super.
If you want to make a career out of moving goalposts, contact the NFL, maybe.
...because my RL last name actually is a palindrome. I like to joke with people, "It only has 3 letters," and then watch them figure out that it's 3 letters 2x each.