Remember, 'Bernie or Bust'ers, the Donald is Counting on You!

[fred v]

Stay ideologically pure! Do not vote for a flawed candidate! Luxuriate in your moral superiority! And don't forget to build fallout shelters for when the orange-haired nutcase you help elect starts a nuclear war!

[TM99]

2. Thank the gods there is still a chance

for the better candidate to win.

But if he doesn't I am sure all of these threats, insults, and childish bullshit will go a long way towards helping to secure the necessary votes on the unaffiliated left that she sorely needs in order to win.

[CentralCoaster]

6. I think Fred's doing it wrong.

Not gonna sow much harmony playing the fear card.

[TM99]

7. FUD is all they got.

It is a tried and true conservative tactic.

New Dems are not liberals to say the least.

[Arneoker]

123. But's it's okay to use the fear card against Democrats who don't care so much for Bernie

As in, give us what we want or we stay home. And some Sanders supporters have the chutzpah to accuse Hillary supporters and the "establishment" of "blackmail tactics!"

It really comes down to what's important. If what's important is getting at least some progress, or at least holding the line, the choice in November will be very clear, whether it's Hillary or Bernie.

[Hortensis]

132. "Fear card?" You're invited to think about

an extremely important issue. This is not a stupid game. Trump exemplifies the "card" mentality regarding issues, playing his cards, countering the opponents'.

We all need to do, must do, what a dysfunctional Trump cannot: Care about the issues.

[TM99]

168. I am presenting you with reality.

With 47% of the electorate now unaffiliated, yes, you have to compromise and build a coalition with us if you want our votes.

That isn't blackmail. That is trying to force y'all to see and accept reality. You can not win without us. Period.

What is important to y'all maybe 'at least some progress' or 'holding the line' (which is exactly what the status quo is!) but that isn't for us.

[cui bono]

188. That's not a fear card. That's democracy.

If the people aren't given someone they can vote for in good conscience, someone they think is going to be on their side, fighting for them, it's not their fault if they don't come out and vote. It's the fault of the party who put forth such a person that people can't bring themselves to vote for because they are for so many things that are simply unacceptable.

Now, those people could put forth a candidate that is not as flawed that all Dems could get behind since that other candidate embodies all that the Dem Party has stood for and then many more people will feel good about voting and will come out. Particularly the new voters who don't identify as Democrats but will if this candidate is the Dem nominee.

So if Hillary is the Dem nominee and she can't get people to come out and vote for her, for good reason, then it's her fault and the fault of all her supporters for not understanding that that's how politics works and that you cannot take anyone's vote for granted.

.

[SFnomad]

8. When crap thread after crap thread is created by the BS cheerleaders ...

why should anyone care about them and their temper tantrums? It really would be nice if they'd take a Time Out for a little while.

[JimDandy]

45. And yet, you do. You sure care a lot about how we're going to vote.

So special.

[SFnomad]

64. I don't care how you vote ... I care that the crap you're spewing will have an

affect on other people.

[JimDandy]

73. That's what everyone on here does. Politics is about affecting the opinions and actions of others.

$1,000,000 was recently paid for Brock's astrotufers to do just that for Clinton. Buck up there, bud. We're dealing with it-you can too.

ETA: SBS supporter who hasn't decided yet on exactly how to use my presidential vote, except that I won't be voting Clinton or any Republican, especially Trump.

[timmymoff]

76. Crap being spewed = Hillary's record

Many people aren't as interested in Her Corporateness once they learn her record, is that your true fear?

[Warren DeMontague]

111. Every time you say "BS cheerleaders", an angel gets its wings!

[Rockyj]

152. TO Hillary:

If you want Bernie supporters to come to the dark side, YOU MUST release the transcripts of your big money speeches.

[griffi94]

3. I'm not worried about any of that

Hillary is going to win easily.

She's had a harder time with Bernie than she'll have with anybody the GOP puts up.

[basselope]

9. Sorry, but she doesn't have a prayer.

Everyone seems to want to forget how much work the GOP has put into fixing the vote in critical swing states like Florida, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Ohio.

Clinton would need OVERWHELMING turnout to overcome this.

She isn't going to see overwhelming turnout.

[griffi94]

14. Sorry but I find your judgement suspect

since you seem to still be insisting that Bernie will
be our nominee.

Hillary will be the next president.

[basselope]

93. I'm not insisting anything of the sort.

I am saying I HOPE he will be the next nominee.

B/c Hillary doesn't have a prayer in the general election.

[MarianJack]

115. Sanders would be...

...the Goldwater/McGovern/Mondale of 2016.

He lacks the self discipline, the mental toughness and the brains to ever be competitive in a national election against non Vermont Republicans/teabaggers. His entire life story is tailored to the exact kind of smear campaign the rightists love to run. If he is the nominee, than I'll vote for him while holding my nose, but election night would make 1972 & 1984 look like squeakers!

PEACE!

[basselope]

153. You don't understand history.

In November of 1972 Nixon had over a 60% approval rating and his disapproval hovered around 30%

Reagan enjoyed similar numbers in November of 1984.

FURTHER 1984-1986 happens to be some one of the few years in history where the majority of people though the country was "on the right track".

So in the case of McGovern and Mondale they were running against POPULAR presidents during times when MOST people felt fairly good about the country.

Sanders is walking into a completely different situation. Obama has a very stale approval rating, bouncing between 45-51% with disapprovals in the same area. Right Track/Wrong track. Those numbers hovering VERY CLOSE to the where they were during the crash of 2008.. close to 70% of the people not happy with the way things are going.

I don't give much credence to polls this far out, except for the fact that Sanders preforms better than Clinton every way possible. No smear campaign is going to change that.. no amount of "vetting".. none of it. Clinton is their dream candidate, because she gets to represent the very establishment people don't like.

She won't win. She doesn't have a prayer.

[MarianJack]

163. I understand history VERY WELL,...

...especially the history of 2 campaigns that I actually worked in. Sanders is a DISASTER waiting to happen. Hillary is a President.

No amount of pro Sanders blather changes that. In 1988, Michael Dukakis was substantially ahead going into the Republican convention, also. Within a week of Labor Day everyone knew he was toast. And he was a better candidate than Sanders.

Vetting won't change things? Please!!!

[basselope]

166. No you don't

Which is exemplified by the two examples you brought up and then completely bungling the 1988 election.

You don't seem to even be able to research exactly how short Dukakis held the lead and how, once he stopped trying to play to the middle, he actually cut bush's lead in half on election day, but it was far too little, far too late.

It wasn't "vetting" that doomed Dukakis, it was Dukakis playing not to lose instead of to win.

This has NEVER been Sanders MO.

No amount of "vetting" or negative ads is going to change it.

[MarianJack]

173. You go ahead and believe what you want to believe.

I lived through those campaigns, so I'll stick to reality.

[basselope]

175. Your reality contains NO FACTS.

There are actual numbers you can look, but you have created your own narrative for why things happened the way they did.

You don't understand history.

[MarianJack]

182. Nonsense, but...

...again, you go ahead and believe what you choose to believe.

I understand history a lot better than you do!

AMF!

[basselope]

187. No, you don't.

Your "history" ignores all the actual FACTS and based on your belief.

You had no clue Nixon had 60% approval or Reagan had the same or that the majority of the country thought we were on the right track in 1984.. you are just trying to chalk it up to the democrats choosing the wrong candidate.

You think it was all vetting and negative ads and fail to consider what the actual FACTS were.

You can't even acknowledge how poorly Dukakis bumbled his campaign or that he changed his strategy in the last 2 weeks, embraced his liberalism and significantly outpreformed the polls.. but it was too little too late.

Facts make up history.. not your deluded memory of it.

[fred v]

15. You REALLY Think Trump Will Beat Hillary?

Honestly, now!

[Biaviians]

34. Does not Crooked Hillary just make your stomach sink?

Hillary could lose in a variety of ways.

[SunSeeker]

72. No, but DUers using Trump's epithet for Hillary does. nt

[Biaviians]

99. Trump repeating Crooked Hillary day after day makes my skin crawl too.

[SunSeeker]

150. It's even worse coming from a DUer. nt

[Biaviians]

189. Trumps going to say Crooked Hillary every time he refers to her everyday until November.

Not very nice guy.

[AzDar]

36. Isn't that the entire underlying premise of your goofy OP?

[basselope]

94. Easily.

Not quite sure how people have deluded themselves into thinking otherwise.

[KPN]

104. Hands down.

You think many Independents will vote for her despite their animus for and distrust of her? Some, but not a majority by a long shot.

[Demsrule86]

119. They won't vote for Sanders

He could not even win the primary. I will tell you...pigs would fly before Sander won Ohio or Florida or Virginia for that matter.

[pandr32]

158. I can't wait for the debates!

Somehow, though, it wouldn't surprise me if he tried to avoid them--maybe a fundraiser for some shady charity that promises to give all the proceeds to veterans, and then doesn't again.
Trump would not like publicly debating a brainy woman, especially one as accomplished as Sec. Clinton. Thanks to Bernie, though, he is already going to accuse her of being "unqualified" and "having poor judgement", along with a whole lot of other right-wing smears that Bernie has polished off and recycled.

[puffy socks]

47. If Hillary can't over come that , Bernie certainly can't. nt

[basselope]

95. Of course he can...

He actually APPEALS to independents who are the ones who decide the election.

He will help drive turnout, where Hillary cannot.

[puffy socks]

101. You haven't any idea how the Independent vote will go in the general

regardless of who wins the nomination.

Hillary has more votes than all the candidates so apparently she helped drive turn out plenty.

[pinebox]

117. Actually many of us Bernie supporters are Indy's

and that's what you don't get. We vote for progressives, not party's.

Hillary has more votes? Pop quiz time! How many GOP candidates were running vs how many Dem candidates were running?

[puffy socks]

143. You haven't any cliue how many Independents will vote for Hillary

I am one of them.

Hillary is a Progressive . The Sanders supporters can try for a "pure Progressive" in your own eyes, and you'll all have zero voice like the Tea Party is. Tghe T party is the result of not forming a team because their individual gripes aren't being instantly addressed. Too bad you didnt learn from the T bags who are now defunct from continuing on in their Conservative purity quest.

Yes HC has more votes than ANY candidate GOP or Dem, that is a fact.

[pinebox]

144. Actually I do know

According to polls, Hillary polls very low with indy voters and no she isn't progressive, sorry but you can't be progressive while upholding moderate values. I guess you missed her describing herself as a moderate didn't you?

Sorry but you can't be progressive while defending DOMA, DADT, KXL, TPP and not fight for things like a living wage and health care for all. I'm quite sick of this little game you and your ilk play trying to redefine your candidates tarnished and permanently damaged image. History has already written her legacy and she is not trusted by the majority of America.

Hillary has more votes than anybody? #HillaryMath = 4 Dems vs 17 GOP candidates. Gee, I wonder why she does.
Spin cycle in full effect in order to control the reality that your candidate has more baggage than Samsonite can produce suitcases.

[puffy socks]

146. Actually, you don't.

I'm an Independent and a Progressive.
You don't get t define who is Progressive.

[basselope]

154. As long as suppress the vote by keeping independents out, she does fine.

You can't do that in the general election

and her numbers are paltry compared to what she will need to win in November... and the votes just aren't there for her.

[puffy socks]

169. Again, you dont know hiow many Independents will vote for Hillary.

She didn't suppress votes. Uninformed voters locked themselves out of the election process, and you don't know how many of those would have voted for Clinton. Give it up.
She beats every single candidate running in votes. Period.

[basselope]

172. Very few

She doesn't have the appeal and she isn't winning against all candidates and barley out of the MOE against others.

Although we only need to look back to 1988 to see what will happen.

She doesn't have a chance.

[Demsrule86]

121. If that were true

He would have won the primary. There are Democrats who will not vote for Sanders. I would ...because I would vote for any Democrat on the ticket. But my sister and brother said they would stay home first. You think this guy is so great, judging by the primary results...others don't.

[basselope]

155. Open the primaries and let's have a REAL vote and see who wins.

[KPN]

105. Wait, are you saying too many Hillary supporters won't vote for Bernie if he gets the nomination?

Is that what you're saying? After all the crap you Hillary supporters have been spewing at Bernie supporters about VOTING DEMOCRAT!!! Too much!!!

Not to worry though. Not a problem, Bernie's got a vast majority of the Independents wrapped up.

[Demsrule86]

124. On this site we are firmly committed to electing Democrats...Hillary supporters that is.

However, you would be overturning the will of the voters...and yeah. I think there are plenty of Hillary supporters who would not vote for Sanders if he did something so unethical. Also, after they swiftboated him into the second coming of Stalin, he would lose independents as well. if he was electable, he would have won the primary.

[lancer78]

63. She is already at 269

http://www.270towin.com/maps/51wVP

[basselope]

96. LOL

You give Hillary Virginia and Nevada???

Good luck with that.

[lancer78]

191. Warner

was asleep at the switch in 2014, yet still won in that Republican Wave year. Nevada, with its demographics, is a cakewalk.

[basselope]

193. LMAO!!!

Keep on dreaming.

The GOP ran a unpopular LOBBIEST and BARELY lost

VA goes red in November with Hillary on the ticket.

[Loki]

130. Sorry, delusion isn't pretty is it?

n/t

[basselope]

164. No, Clinton supporters thinking she has a chance aren't pretty.

[misterhighwasted]

159. lol. She's got 3 million more votes than berrnie has

[basselope]

165. Amazing what happens when you have closed primaries and vote in a bubble, eh?

You don't have that advantage in the general election.

She would actually NEED turnout. Which she won't have.

[misterhighwasted]

167. Yup. Amazing when repubs & other nefarious usurpers aren't

allowed to choose the Dem candidate in the Dem primary process.
Too bad.
DEMS da breaks man!

[basselope]

171. Remember those brakes when you are crying in your cornflakes in Nov

B/c everyone knows Clinton has no viable path to victory.

[misterhighwasted]

181. haaaahaaha

[basselope]

186. You know it is true.

[peace13]

23. Harder time, yet she has refused to answer questions...

....made a platform out of saying that she will do what Bernie's doing (even when that is not what she is proposing) and failing to reveal the transcripts to her paid meetings. Any one of these issues could likely sink her. My best to you and your candidate. This thing has gone to far down the road for me. If you can't see the pitfalls I don't know what to say.

[griffi94]

26. Hasn't sunk her yet

She's got more votes than all candidates from either party.

She's got this.

[basselope]

98. LOL

This old silly talking point again.

Ignoring the fact that she is in a 2 way battle while the other side has had more candidates, they also have some states that don't vote.

In short, her getting a small number of votes in the democratic primary means NOTHING.

She can't win the GE

[Amaril]

174. Yeah, 'cause Bernie is such a big meanie.......

.....in comparison to Trump.

[griffi94]

177. Cause People really consider Bernie

a possibilty.
Trump is a caricauture.

She'll have a much easier time agains Cruz or Trump.

[FlatBaroque]

4. .

[artislife]

10. +1

[Bjornsdotter]

46. +1 n/t

[mahina]

61. Word.

Perfect.

[Dragonfli]

86. Yup /nt

[Warren DeMontague]

112. How far does a million bucks go, anyway?

Think he's had to put more in the account by now?

[Zorra]

140. ...

[Amaril]

176. +1

[lostnfound]

185. +1

[basselope]

5. Actually.. he is counting on Hillary supporters

They desperately want to give him a race he can easily win.

[artislife]

11. Remember h supporters

You can call yourselves progressives, but that doesn't mean you actually support a progressive agenda.

[fred v]

22. I'm a Pragmatist

I live in the Real World, where people (myself included) are light-years away from perfection, and choices have to be made.

[BernieforPres2016]

33. Pragmatist?

Is that the term for people who support corrupt neocons? I call them Republicans.

[AzDar]

39. ...

[artislife]

40. I live in the real world too, and it is dying because we

have been pragmatic and incremental in any change that would have helped her.

[fun n serious]

51. Let me just snap my fingers and all will be well. nt

[artislife]

79. You aren't powerful and sadly, not funny either. nt

[Duckhunter935]

54. You really think she could get more done then Bernie?

I guess she will when she evolves back to the right

[djean111]

128. Yes, and if those choices result in a lot of dead and maimed people, you can merrily laugh and say

you made a mistake! Maybe write a book about it! What fun!

Which is what will happen, again and again, if Hillary is president.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

87. Sure we do

[baldguy]

12. Against the IWR, thinks the govt & the parties a corrupt, thinks Clinton is unqualified...

Trump must be a "Progressive"*.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

88. Yes because Hillary cast the deciding vote that sent us to war

Any other fairy tales you want to tell?

[SFnomad]

13. This all reminds me of the petty, petulant, childish PUMAs of 2008 ... and the BS cheerleaders that

insist on being 'Bernie or Bust'ers' will find out that they are just as immaterial as the PUMAs. Those PUMAs were saying the same or similar type things that the BoB'ers are saying today ... Obama needed their votes; Obama was a weak candidate; it would bring out the GOP racists; etc. But in the end, the PUMAs didn't have the power they thought they did and ended up being irrelevant when the votes were counted.

[Avalux]

16. You sure are excited this evening!

Might want to do some deep breathing and chill.

[hellofromreddit]

17. THE CONDESCENSION SHALL CONTINUE UNTIL UNITY IMPROVES

[RichVRichV]

24. lol, thank you for that.

Remember it's always the voters fault that don't vote for them, never the candidate or parties fault that they can't earn the vote. What a wonderful racket we have going on.

[NurseJackie]

38. Until Bernie suspends or until Skinner calls it.

After all the shit you guys put us through, WTF do you expect? The aggressors are losing the primary, and now they're complaining that Hillary supporters are elbowing, needling and verbally striking back? Pity.

[hellofromreddit]

62. "It is intolerable when *you* do it! It's fine when *I* do it."

"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you."

[NurseJackie]

120. Take heart gentle soul ...

... considering the short amount of time remaining and comparing that to the months and months of fun you've already had ... well, you're really getting quite a bargain, aren't you?

It's a small price to pay, so ... suck it up.

[CobaltBlue]

83. You had an interesting response, Nurse Jackie!

Hello, Nurse Jackie!

“The aggressors,” as you describe them, are not winning Bernie Sanders the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination.

The voting supporters for Hillary Clinton are, as you mention, “elbowing, needling” the voting supporters for Bernie Sanders.

It just goes to show that, sometimes, two sides cannot, and will not, come together.

I guess there could be other tactics.

One of them is, if your preferred candidate is leading a party’s primaries—and is on pace to win that party’s presidential nomination—it may be wise for those on the “winner’s” side to actually move on and not participate on an Internet discussion forum thread expressing why they feel “pity” for the individual voters on the losing side.

I think you, Nurse Jackie, would have no problem filling in for David Brock if he ever has to miss a day’s work on the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign.

[timmymoff]

91. Hillary supporters aka those who adore corporate masterhood.

[Warren DeMontague]

114. Skinner should call it and turn the timeouts back on at the same time

For everyone with a glowing transparency page.

now there is your recipe for unity, right there.

[sixersixersixer]

18. Do as you say, not do as you do.

Or whatever gobbledydoo you came up with.

My vote is my decision. Not yours or Hillary's or anyone else. Get it?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. You could have a constitutional crisis with Trump.

He might give the military unlawful orders that they refuse to carry out.

[Armstead]

20. YOu know who talks in that tone? TRUMP himself

Good job at unity building....

[fred v]

32. You've obviously not been reading the comments of Sandersnistas

The holier-than-thou preaching is relentless, and the insults hurled at anyone who dares profess support for Secretary Clinton are beyond the pale! My op was bush-league by comparison.

[SwampG8r]

134. Bush league.......yes that describes it.

[whatchamacallit]

21. This worked

Not!

[PowerToThePeople]

25. ...

[hrmjustin]

27. In my view it is just not worth arguing the primary for me.

Hillary is going to win and Sanders will not. Some people here need the time to get used to it and I will back off.

The anti-Hillary threads have kicked up a bit and it is a buzzkill. Ever since the hard fought NY battle things have taken a desperate turn among the Bernie or Bust crew here and I want no part of it.

Hopefully people will see the folly of not voting for the nominee.

[Duckhunter935]

31. Of course we also

Know that the Bernie bashing and especially the bernie supporter bashing has skyrocketed lately and has been helped by the general amnesty so over the top insults have no repercussions to the poster.

[Thinkingabout]

84. Thanks justin, I want to see how many more votes and delegates Hillary will get, three million

and counting. So far she is handling Trump the Rump well.

[Waiting For Everyman]

28. You don't need anybody except your own faction, remember?

Well if you get what you wanted, then we'll see how this great decision of yours works out.

[zappaman]

29. Jury resiults

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[Beacool]

30. I'm watching the news and they just showed a clip of Trump using Sanders words

and giving him credit for them. Yes, that's a winning strategy for both of them. Call the most qualified person in the race, unqualified.

[SwampG8r]

136. Trump called sanders unqualified?

He is the most qualified so that .ust be what you mean.

[Beacool]

178. No, he called Hillary unqualified and made a point of mentioning that Sanders had called her that.

[Fresh_Start]

35. bernie or busters are saying that if hillary wins the nomination, they will vote for trump

so it would make the most sense for trump to ask bernie to be his VP.
And bernie can make the same offer the the Donald to keep the 30% of the bernie voters who won't vote for Clinton

[Luminous Animal]

37. If you don't believe that Hillary can beat Donald, then don't vote for her.

[tonyt53]

41. Absolutely.

Plus all of GOP candidates running for the Senate are too. They know, as strongly evidenced by looking at the WI polls, that Bernie's supporters do not vote the down ticket candidates. They only voted for Bernie because most have no idea that it will take a Democrat majority in the Senate to get anything moving.

[bjo59]

42. Oh, please. I don't see Clinton as "flawed," I see her as being

pro-corporate and highly militaristic. I will not vote for anyone who favors the well being of mega banks and corporations over the people and I will not vote for anyone who is so supportive of the U.S. "regime-change" foreign policies that have caused so much misery and destruction around the world. Hillary Clinton is not a "flawed" candidate - she's a candidate whose record is in direct opposition to what I am looking for in a candidate for president.

[puffy socks]

80. You do realize Bernie voted for regime change in 1998, yes?

For military action in Libya, Somalia, Yugoslavia.

[Joe the Revelator]

43. Hillary supporters have already given him what he wanted...

....an easy path to the Whitehouse.

[amborin]

44. HRC voted many X for border wall; sends children back to violence she had role in creating; reckless

regime change, speaks derisively of "illegal immigrants," her biggest donor dislikes Muslims (doesn't want to "torture" them, exactly); even Axlerod called Trump a sheep in wolf's clothing

if you don't want Trump, don't nominate Hillary

[Viva_La_Revolution]

48. what drivel

[CentralCoaster]

49. poofie doo doo go fa fa! Wooop!

bzzzzzz...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511870232

[BootinUp]

50. Threads like this are the natural result of the way the Bernie camp is behaving K & R nt

[Duckhunter935]

52. Not going the way you wanted

Had to run to the Hillary group for backup. You know this not your bubble of a safe haven

[Logical]

53. Lol,my begging for recs, desperate?

[fred v]

56. Desperate?

You mean like the Sanders campaign?

[Logical]

59. Never seen someone ask for recs. Interesting. Nt

[shenmue]

55. Ha

[Joob]

58. No, this is on you for supporting a horrible candidiate

[Kittycat]

60. Give up your vote, your voice & the issues that matter, join the unity club!

How about letting voters enjoy having the chance to finish voting, and voicing the issues important to them up through the party process before threatening everyone about joining the Unity Club? Until then, it feels a bit like that club is a bat over the head.

[sadoldgirl]

65. This OP reminds me of the title of an older

book:"Fear and loathing on the campaign trail"

[Vote2016]

66. Her loss would be as a result of her flaws; her win would be as a result of Trump's flaws. Leave me

out of it so I can focus on getting down ballot Democrats elected.

[fred v]

67. I've been Informed that my OP was Alerted On

So, Bernie supporters, what kind of cheese would you like with it?

[HooptieWagon]

68. Hillary isn't, so we're cool.

She burned the bridge, so we're down with going our own way, whatever it may be.

[Cha]

69. Thank you, fred!

[wysi]

70. Trump's even planning on using Bernie's talking points for the GE...

... since they worked so well in the primary.

[Lizzie Poppet]

71. Hyperbole aside, you have heard of the Electoral College, right?

It doesn't matter in the least who I vote for in the GE...my state's not remotely in play.

[SunSeeker]

74. Bernie is Donald's only hope. nt

[CobaltBlue]

75. Hello, fred v!

I appreciate your opening post.

I don’t feel the same as you do.

I believe your thread, with no disrespect intended, does not help in any way you may have been hoping.

[oldandhappy]

77. thank you for the effort towards unity!!

[Urchin]

81. The people are counting on Bernie Sanders

Who is Goldman Sachs counting on?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

90. The people are counting on Bernie Sanders

That's why he's losing.

[2banon]

82. oh puh-leeze, quit with this dishonest meme ffs.

[Hiraeth]

85. according to what I read in HRC group, Bernie is plenty flawed.

[w4rma]

89. Hillary has zero crossover appeal. Supposedly her supporters were backing her for her ability to win

elections. Yet her supporters consistently attack independent voters as if they were loyal Democrats. Hillary hasn't even attempted to campaign for the independent vote.

Hillary's supporters were conned. She is the weakest candidate in my lifetime. And they are attacking the strongest general election candidate.

[timmymoff]

92. I don't know how many times I have heard hillary

supporters claim they don't need our votes. They don't need our efforts. Which is it ? You need them or not?

[Cha]

97. It's going to be so awesome when the "orange haired nutcase" loses to Hillary!

Mahalo, fred~

[SheilaT]

100. No. If Hillary is such an awesome candidate, then she will win over

everyone. She's made it clear she doesn't really need independents, or the Bernie supporters, so IT IS NOT ON THE BERNIE PEOPLE IF SHE LOSES.

Got that? It's her and her supporters and surrogates who are responsible for her win or loss. DO NOT for one minute try to shift the blame.

[libdem4life]

102. Please do some resesrch before the "hair on fire" tome.

Bernie does much better against the Republicans than Hillary. Post after post on DU has given the numbers as provided by an array of pollsters.

Fear Trump is, well, trumped up hoopla. We have absolutely No Reason to fear him. That's the Republican' s mess.

[grasswire]

103. I'm beginning to think that all these new vitriolic posters are GOP shills

Because they sure aren't for unity.

[lovemydog]

106. I think it's quite possible.

I'm wary of any folks trying to sow too much disunity among the left and / or disunity among democrats.

[grasswire]

108. either that or someone(s) is trying to destroy DU. nt

[lovemydog]

109. Interesting theory.

Another is that sometimes a poster may really feel as vitriolic as what they type, lol. I'm wary of the ones who seem pissed off with every post day after day on some exact same subject.

Fortunately DU has a lot of great groups, so there's places to discuss other things. I've gotten some great advice in the mac users group, shared info in the video games & sports groups, and had wonderful times in the aa group.

So in that regard DU seems fairly resilient. That is, if people keep enjoying posting on boards like this one. I enjoy it a lot.

[Kalidurga]

107. If Elizabeth Warren had decided to run for president we wouldn't be having this conversation.

She would have pretty close to 100% support. But, what we have is Hillary and she is a crappy candidate. Donald might not even get the nomination so that threat is empty unless he gets the nomination. Your problem is if the Cons don't nominate him because their elite hate him as much as our peons hate Hillary.

[BernieforPres2016]

135. Don't know where you get that

I think Warren would have had the same outcome. The Dem establishment was going to line up 99% behind Hillary no matter who ran against her.

[Kalidurga]

179. Yeah, but I doubt that Hillary supporters would be acting the same way.

I seriously doubt it.

[Live and Learn]

110. Actually, he is counting on you to give us a candidate that people can't vote for.

You are doing his bidding well.

[Cobalt Violet]

118. she's more of a war monger than him.

Better build a fallout shelter if the faux yellowed hair nutcase wins too.


Go Bernie! At least he's not trying to fool us with his hair color!

[bvf]

122. I've read here more than once

that Clinton don't need no stinkin' votes of Sanders supporters.

OK.

[Herman4747]

125. Remember Hillary Fans: ONLY ALL OF YOU...

...working together, can persuade Hillary to drop her duplicitous, insincere campaign, in favor of someone who would NEVER RUN FROM THE TERM, "LIBERAL"!!!

[cantbeserious]

126. When We Stand Together No Citizen Need Settle For The Lessor Of Two Corporate Evils

eom

[CharlotteVale]

129. If Hill can't beat Trump, that's on her.

[LaydeeBug]

133. And since Bernie can't beat Hillary, that's on *him*. nt

[misterhighwasted]

160. Thats true. Doesnt matter how entitled he claims he is

He never had a chance of beat Hillary.
He doesn't have to worry about beating Trump.

[LadyHawkAZ]

131. Bullshit

He doesn't want the job. He's only running to make his buddy look palatable.
It isn't working and neither is this tactic. Just stop.

[LWolf]

137. So glad to know that you aren't. nt

[Her Sister]

138. Bernie & Bust are a minority

but Trumpie sure LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVES them!

KnR!

[Gothmog]

139. Trump would be a horrible POTUS

[Kurska]

141. "Lesser of two evils buddy, deal with it. Take your endless foreign military adventures and like em"

[LanternWaste]

142. I imagine that the courage of one's own convictions is an alien concept to you

I imagine that the courage of one's own convictions is an alien concept to you, regardless of how we cower behind implication-- further illustrating it as such.

[Betty Karlson]

145. Your daily dose of Hill-bully emotional blackmail has arrived.

Today's offer includes an extra heavy wallop of foregone conclusions.

[misterhighwasted]

161. Haaahaaa. From the bernie bully's to the hill bully's

Du's got it all.

[Betty Karlson]

184. projection: still a thing in Hill-bully land.

criticising wrongly forgone conclusions does not equate to "racist sexist keyboard-warring and complacent easily duped hell-bound slut lusting for Berniebros". Nor does it compare to false intimations of Trump-humping.

[pdsimdars]

147. Got any thoughts on issues or just these nonsense side issues?

Let's hear it, what on this list do YOU support? And if not, why are you supporting Hillary?
All you guys have are side issues.

[greiner3]

148. Will this post get hidden if I say

Fuck this statement

[workinclasszero]

149. Republicans first choice was Bernie getting the Democratic nod

Because they knew when they unleashed 24/7 attack ad hell against him he would wither like a daisy in the desert.

But Sanders revolution left him high and dry at the ballot box so the fascist republicans second choice is now in play.....#bernieorbust!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

151. I love it when people demanding we vote for the party call us "purists".

The irony is delicious.

[LannyDeVaney]

156. Sec Clinton will win the GE in a landslide ...

Bigger margin than Obama's victory in 2012 in my opinion. She won't lose a single swing state and will take at least one red state, topping the Democratic electoral vote from 2012.

[leftofcool]

157. Amen!

[misterhighwasted]

162. This OP deserves a big K & R

[Ferd Berfel]

170. Clintonistias - THe Global Corporate Elite are Counting on YOU!

[Vogon_Glory]

180. Thank you for pointing out the unpleasant consequences

Thank you for pointing out at least one of the unpleasant consequences of a Trump presidency. Let us add giving a green light to bigotry directed at American Hispanics, further gutting of voting rights, polluted air, polluted water, and "privatized" national parks and wilderness. The recession with no benefits is just the cherries on top.

I'm not particularly left, and I'm certainly not a Marxist. Nevertheless, there's an old Marxist-Leninist term that applies to far too many Bernie fan-boys and fan-girls who want the Great Jubilee in January and who ignore what happened in places like Wisconsin, Kansas, North Carolina, and Texas when Democratic "purists" act out their tantrums and stay home: "politically immature." And I believe that "politically immature" is a dead-an accurate descriptor of all too many Bernie-philes who ought to be old enough to know better.

[disillusioned73]

183. Thank you fred v..

for joining us here on DU.. and for the reminder

[seabeyond]

190. You mean the PUMA's of 2016?

[Maru Kitteh]

194. but, but, the indictment fairy is coming! and PURITY!

[Broward]

196. Lloyd Blankfein thanks you.