Deporting children. Yea or nay?

[hellofromreddit]

I agree with Bernie. They're kids, not messages.

[riderinthestorm]

1. NAY!! The deported Honduran children have been murdered

http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/blog/five-honduran-children-dead-after-deportation

[Aerows]

22. And who helped cause the damn mess in Honduras

to begin with? The one that wanted to send them back as a "message".

[RobertEarl]

2. H says: Send them Back

What a gawd awful idea of hers. They are kids just hoping for a future! Hug them and love them is the American way.

[anigbrowl]

3. Source please

I'm pretty sure that's not her position.

[Dragonfli]

5. Is Hillary Clinton a credible source?

[ieoeja]

24. Not usually. n/t

[Scuba]

16. How sure are you now?

Are you still a Hillary supporter? Why?

[anigbrowl]

19. Sure enough

Because her position is not 'send them back'. It's 'look after them first and then see if they can be safely sent back.' As someone who is very knowledgeable about immigration law I happen to know what an exhaustive process that safety determination is, although one thing that's lacking in immigration courts is free legal represenation for potential deportees (a privilege which is not currently automatic under the constitution).

[Scuba]

25. Source please.

[anigbrowl]

27. I don't need to provide a source for my own opinions

[Scuba]

29. So it's just your opinion, not Hillary's policy. Got it.

[anigbrowl]

31. Mmm, no.

But I am not going to waste time arguing with someone like you who only deals in one liners. Have a nice day.

[Scuba]

32. Hey, you should provide a link for your claim, or some of the more cynical DU members ...

... might just conclude that you're full of shit.

[anigbrowl]

33. Your conclusions are of no moment to me.

I always engage in substantive discussions with people who do the same but you are obviously not one of those people and I have no intention of conversing with you further.

[Scuba]

34. No problem, I have no desire to have a dialogue with members who just make shit up.

[pinebox]

18. Here you go

Hillary Clinton this week defended her call to deport children from the U.S. who are fleeing violence in Central America.

Speaking at a press conference in Las Vegas on Tuesday, the former secretary of state and candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination said that deporting the children, many of whom are seeking asylum, would send a “responsible message” that would deter Central American families from sending their children to the United States.

“Specifically with respect to children on the border, if you remember, we had an emergency, and it was very important to send a message to families in Central America: Do not let your children take this very dangerous journey,” Clinton said.

Now that the border crisis has largely passed, however, Clinton said U.S. immigration authorities should focus on expediting the deportation cases of children and people locked in family detention.

“Now I think we have a different problem,” she said. “Because the emergency is over, we need to be moving to try to get people out of these detention centers, particularly the women and children. I think we need more resources to process them, to listen to their stories, to find out if they have family in this country, if they have a legitimate reason for staying. So I would be putting a lot of resources into doing that, but my position has been and remains the same.”

Unaccompanied minors from countries other than Mexico are generally not placed in immigrant detention. Instead, U.S. law requires authorities to transfer them to the Office of Refugee Resettlement and release them to a guardian in the U.S. if possible.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-child-migrants_us_55d4a5c5e4b055a6dab24c2f

Other stories on it;

http://time.com/4218850/democratic-debate-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-central-america-unaccompanied-minors/

http://national.suntimes.com/national-world-news/national-politics/7/72/1672616/hillary-clinton-defends-call-to-deport-child-migrants/

http://www.latinpost.com/articles/73154/20150820/immigration-news-today-hillary-clinton-still-supports-deportation-undocumented-immigrants.htm

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/hillary-under-fire-left-call-deport-immigrant-minors

[anigbrowl]

20. Yeah and I think her position was widely mischaracterized

By the way I'm an illegal immigrant myself so this is something I'm quite knowledgeable about in both practical and legal terms.

[bjo59]

4. Nay.

[Dragonfli]

6. Nay, They make both stationary and email severs to send messages these days, children are neither.nt

[Vattel]

7. Hillary backed off her "tough stance" once she was attacked for it.

Before that she did say that they should be sent back, but it is worse than that. She conceded that they were safer in the US but still wanted them sent back.

[rhett o rick]

11. Hillary's fan love her because she is tough and that's what they revere. But she is tough on the

children living in poverty, she is tough on those in pain needing medical marijuana, she was tough on the Iraqi's, innocent or not, she failed to be tough when we needed it the most. When the idiot Republicons wanted to invade Iraq for profits she couldn't resist. Her friends in the MIC have been very grateful and she hasn't shown one iota of remorse for those lives that were ruined for profits.

[Vattel]

15. I couldn't agree more.

[Scuba]

17. ^^ This ^^

[elleng]

8. “We are Americans, and we do not return refugee kids who find themselves on our doorstep

back into war-torn or famine-racked places where they will face certain death,” O’Malley said. “I think we have to act like Americans.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/omalley-obama-administration-still-sparring-over-immigration-policies/2014/07/16/5d30e622-0c9a-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251404215

[riderinthestorm]

9. You know I was on the fence for O'Malley. Still wish this race was between MOM and Bernie

[elleng]

10. I wish the GE would be between Sanders/MO'M v Tramp.

I DON'T wish the Dem primaries now were between MO'M and Senator Sanders.

Getting frustrated (again.)

[riderinthestorm]

12. Oh so agreed!!!

[sadoldgirl]

13. I wished he had stayed in the race instead of HRC.

However, wishful thinking does not help us now.

[elleng]

14. Right, it doesn't.

No way anyone would replace hrc, with all of her $$$ backers; true now and true last time she ran, MORESO now.

[2cannan]

21. Nay!

And I can't believe there are judges and others in the immigration legal system who think toddlers can be taught to represent themselves in court proceedings:

Judge Claims Immigrant Toddlers Are Able To Represent Themselves ‘Fairly’ In Court
http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2016/03/04/3756675/immigration-judge-children-can-represent-themselves/

[IamMab]

23. How many can you take into your home then? Hmm?

[stone space]

26. Oh, hell no! We've had children born right here in Iowa deported.

[LisaM]

28. This is not a yes or no question.

I think it's rather frivolous to act as if it's such a black and white issue. Look at Elian Gonzalez and that whole circus. It was obviously the right thing to send him back to his father.

Each circumstance warrants a different response and I think it's really irresponsible to drill it down to a simple yay or nay.

[NurseJackie]

30. That's the problem ... so many of the HillaryHaters only have a dichromatic view of the world.

Everything is cut-n-dried, black and white, this or that, left or right ... nothing in the middle, no shades of gray, no thinking or analysis needed, no compromise, no layers, no conditions. It's always "I'm-right-you're-wrong-end-of-discussion".

[hellofromreddit]

35. I can appreciate that

So what would you say is a good compromise?

I think when it comes to children we should err well into their favor. Perhaps so far it could be seen as absolutist.

What mitigating factors do you think warrant drawing the line elsewhere?

[LisaM]

36. Every situation is unique.

I'm not going to answer because I don't think that there is a right or wrong answer.