If Hilllary becomes the nominee

[timmymoff]

and then loses in November, she will have earned that loss like she earned her lack of trust. Hillary supporters get out there and sell your candidate, you have a ton of work and I wouldn't expect much help from the liberal democrats. Get to work, you have a hard sell.

[Agnosticsherbet]

1. If Sanders looses the primary, he will have earned that loss, becasue he failed to earn the trust

and votes of the Democratic Party.

Clinton will have won the trust and votes and will win in November.

[timmymoff]

2. That and he had to fight a complicit media, a party seeking a coronation,

Wall St. and other people who fight us, but not her. Wall St. loves them some Corporate Hillary. Enjoy. Oh btw I'd say he did pretty good considering he hasn't been running for president since 2006.

[griffi94]

7. Bernie should have started planning earlier

You're right. He did pretty well considering.
He still fell far short tho.

[timmymoff]

8. And now America gets to suffer if she wins or if she loses ...wooohooooo

Yay those who support Corporate Masterhood! God bless the eternal oligarchy!

[griffi94]

12. Depends on who you ask

Majority of the voters so far feel like
Hillary will be a good president.

That's why they voted for her in the primary
in overwhelming numbers.

They didn't seem to buy Bernies message.

[timmymoff]

14. Majortiy of democrats always remember that.

[Agnosticsherbet]

22. It is the Democratic Primary for the Democratic Party nominee.

Remember that.
Sanders has just not managed to win the Trust and votes of Democrats.

[griffi94]

23. Nah

She'll pull from a lot of demographics.

And states that are usually red will be in play for her.
Like NC

[timmymoff]

25. I wish you well with your new found joy of corporate money

[griffi94]

32. Thanks

It's going to be fine.

She'll win in November easily.
With a Democratic senate she'll be great.

The majority of Americans like her message and trust her to
continue the progress that President Obama started.

[moriah]

73. I don't like corporate money in politics, either.

But really look at this graphic.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/superpacs.php

Add more nodes, zoom out. Look at the net of SuperPAC donors for the eventual RNC warchest, and compare how much has gone to Repukes compared to Democrats. And that's just SuperPACs officially endorsing a primary candidate, not all the ones that have already spent money against Hillary. Look at how much each of them has to play with.

If anyone is being bought by corporate money, it's the Republicans. And Hillary's biggest donor from Wall Street has been George Soros, the one who previously spent millions to fight Bush and support Obama.

Just saying.

[Yurovsky]

97. She didn't have to take the corporate money...

Bernie didn't. She's just either too lazy to work for it from the small donors, or she's comfy snuggled up with the corporate SOBs dumping on poor & working-class Americans.

She made her bed.

[moriah]

107. And sadly, Bernie is over 200 delegates behind with 3/4 of pledged...

... delegates voted.

Hillary is smart enough to know how the game is played by the current rules, and smart enough to realize that in order to change those rules you have to work with the sucky ones and win the General Election.

In addition, look at outside spending for Bernie.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/indexp_indiv.php?cycle=2016&id=N00000528

The only outside spending against Bernie from Democratic sources has been $10k spent by Martin O'Malley. The rest of the money spent against him, $44k, was by Republicans.

You can see that "Hillary's SuperPAC" hasn't spent a dime against Senator Sanders, and is actively attacking Republicans now. They spent $5 million supporting Hillary, but have held onto the vast majority of that warchest for the General Election.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/indexpend.php?cmte=C00495861&cycle=2016

Until Citizen's United is actually repealed, it's the law. Criticizing realistic left-leaning wealthy donors for making donations to counter the massive GOP fundraising, or Hillary for accepting Priorities USA Action's endorsement when they all knew the majority of that money was going to be for the GE....

[NanceGreggs]

17. Oh, yes, of course.

Bernie had to fight a "complicit media" - along with media blackouts, debates always scheduled at the wrong time on the wrong night, closed primaries, interviewers asking questions he couldn't answer, colleagues who couldn't endorse him because they were "afraid" of the Clintons, vote fraud in every state he didn't win, losses in "Confederate states" that shouldn't really count, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Poor Bernie - he only lost because the entire world conspired against him. There couldn't possibly be any other explanation.

[timmymoff]

21. No I explained reasons why

It's not poor Bernie, he elevated his position and strength. It's poor Hillary come November, you will eventually apologize for the bad choice. Get busy, you have an oligarchy to sell.

[NanceGreggs]

37. Listen up - you might learn something.

Bernie lost because not enough people bought what he was selling.

If you think the vast majority of Bernie supporters out in the real world are rabid Bernie-or-Busters who will not vote for HRC in November, you are either extremely naive or just plain delusional.

Hillary IS the Democratic nominee and she WILL BE the next president. And all the "you'll all be sorry" whinging in the world isn't going to change that.

But by all means, keep posting the same old bullshit 24/7, if it makes you feel better.

[timmymoff]

40. I stopped listening to the DLC and third wayers years ago

I started posting so the third wayers and DLC had to look at themselves. So no need to attempt to "splain things to me. I'm not into corporate masterhood.

[NanceGreggs]

43. No, you're just into ...

... deluding yourself - and hoping that delusion is contagious.

[timmymoff]

45. Deluding yourself would be to think Hillary cliton is a liberal

I do not think that, others do. They are very misinformed.

[NanceGreggs]

48. Hmm, yes, dear ...

Everyone who disagrees with you is very misinformed.

Got it.

[timmymoff]

50. Please do not call me dear

I do not know you. I do know your ilk. Your ilk is the kind who thinks fracking and free trade agreements are good for Americans. Your ilk think taking money from corporations and lobbyist's are good for America. While we are 'splaining some things. It is your ilk that loves the rightward shift of a candidate who has more flip flops than a prison shower. So as stated, get out and support her, I won't and know many others who feel the same. -1 in Illinois.

[NanceGreggs]

51. There, there.

Don't get yourself in a tizzy.

It is quite apparent that you know nothing of what you call "my ilk" - but please continue to delude yourself that you do.

[timmymoff]

53. when you cast your vote you seal yourself into the group "the ilk"

You don't mind if I call you " the ilk" do you?

[NanceGreggs]

57. If by "ilk" you mean HRC supporters ...

... no, I don't mind a bit.

But if I am a member of that "ilk", it stands to reason that I know them better than you do. And your posts indicate that your ignorance about what "the ilk" stands for, believes in, or hope to achieve are clear examples of your ignorance thereof.

[timmymoff]

59. again.. you may oppose war and regime change

but if you vote for her, you actually support it. You may oppose fracking, you vote for her , you support it. Own it. I am owning my position of leaving president blank.

[NanceGreggs]

60. In other words ...

... "I am owning my position by not taking a stand."

Ya know, after reading your posts, this is one of those instances where I'm happy knowing you won't be having a say in who the next POTUS will be.

[timmymoff]

64. It actually is taking a stand

I will vote for liberal candidates. You can say thank you as necessary.

[NanceGreggs]

66. What ev.

[timmymoff]

67. Enjoy

you are not alone. Many people support the status quo, most of them are called conservatives.

[JimDandy]

71. Nance, Nance, Nance, get off DU and get out there and sell your gal IRL

It's an upHill battle for you all. Not a moment to lose! There's not a single vote moveable on DU-we're all locked in. It's all on you. Good luck out there

[NanceGreggs]

72. You know, you're right.

All the votes on DU are "locked in" - which makes me wonder why the anti-HRC stuff still gets posted day after day. It's not going to change any minds, and yet some posters still feel a NEED to try.

Yes, it's an upHill battle - we're only 300+ delegates and millions of voters ahead - just another sign of imminent defeat in the general!

[uponit7771]

74. +1

[Agnosticsherbet]

20. No, he simply failed to earn the trust and votes of Democrats.

Why would you make excuses for his failures?

[timmymoff]

24. they aren't excuses

we knew we were fighting a coronation. You need to get busy you have a hard sell. Selling Americans that corporations are our masters will be a tough job.

[NanceGreggs]

46. Selling Americans on the idea ...

... that corporations ARE their masters was the tough job - and it didn't sell.

[annavictorious]

76. Apparently, when a woman competes for and earns

a spot on the ballot, it's a "coronation".

[AgingAmerican]

106. No, that isn't what coronation means

[Orangepeel]

35. Wall Street and the media love her enough to fix the nomination, but not the election?

[Adrahil]

80. Complicit media my ass....

I couldn't turn on the nes without hearing about Nernie's huge crowds, and people "feeling the Bern," or hearing about the latest manufactured Clinton "scandel."

[Ned_Devine]

29. How do people still spell "loses" incorrectly?

I mean, seriously.

[chwaliszewski]

58. My favorite is

'becasue'. Spell check, use it.

[HubertHeaver]

68. Spellchecker won't save you on that one.

Both "looses" and "loses" are spelled correctly.

[chwaliszewski]

70. I know that...

but it would correct 'because' being misspelled.

[Baobab]

62. Why does she not care ? A lot of what she says is rude.

Its not just hubris.. and many who support her often seem to be arrogant too.

> If Sanders looses the primary, he will have earned that loss, becasue he failed to earn the trust

> and votes of the Democratic Party.

> Clinton will have won the trust and votes and will win in November.

What's different? Other candidates don't act like that.

I can't put my finger on it exactly.

[Snotcicles]

100. You can even type that with a straight face. nt

[Agnosticsherbet]

101. It's absolutely true, so yes.

So far, he is behind 3 million Democratic votes and about 11% of pledged delegates because he did not earn the trust of a large majority of the Democratic Electorate.

[Jester Messiah]

102. Yeah, nothing says "trust" like Clinton.

The problem is what you can trust her to do.

[Agnosticsherbet]

104. The problem is that Sanders has not earned the Trust of the majority of the Democratic Electorate.

That is why he is losing the Primary.

It is simple as that.

[akbacchus_BC]

119. Stop fighting you all. Mrs. Clinton will be the nominee and she will

thrash Trump. Thing is - Mr. Sanders has given a lot of young Americans hope as to what America can be for them, that is why the younger generation is supporting him. Mr. Sanders will lose the nomination for sure but the awakening that he has built up in America will serve to make Mrs. Clinton move to the center and that is a good thing.

Just my humble opinion. I could be wrong.

[BootinUp]

3. Current Predictwise odds

PredictWise column combines fundamental, polling, and prediction market-based forecasts. PredictWise column is my overall forecast.

2016 President – Winner (Individual)
Potential Candidate Party PredictWise PredictWise (Nom) Derived Market Price
Hillary Clinton DEM 70 % 98 % $0.727
Donald Trump GOP 28 % 89 % $0.206
Ted Cruz GOP 1 % 9 % $0.016
Bernie Sanders DEM 1 % 2 % $0.015
Marco Rubio GOP 0 % 0 % $0.001
John Kasich GOP 0 % 0 % $0.003

http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-winner

[timmymoff]

5. Yay Oligarchy!

[BootinUp]

11. Yay for 8 more years of sanity in the WH. nt

[griffi94]

4. Not that hard a sell so far

Hillary has more votes than any candidate in eithe party.

She has an insurmountable lead over Bernie of 3 million votes and 300 delegates.

She' won blowout victories in all the swing states.

She's got this easy.

[timmymoff]

6. She does great with independents and youth, don't she?

[griffi94]

9. She does great

with Democrats, women, POC.

Bernie was the favorite of the youth vote.
The ones that voted anyway.

Just not enough people wanted Bernie.

[timmymoff]

13. And not a lot of bernie supporters will be supporting

Her Corporate Majesty. Enjoy your choice.

[griffi94]

18. They won't be missed

Enough will vote for her.

Plus she'll pull some Republican women and moderate Republicans
who think Trump is a joke.

The Bernie supporters who won't vote for her mostly aren't Democrats
and were never going to vote for any Democrat that wasn't Bernie anyway.

She'll easily win the GE

[oasis]

10. We won't need any half hearted pitch people working for us.

They'd just be a hindrance.

[timmymoff]

15. we have heard how many times you don't need us.

We have also heard if the GOP wins it is our fault. How is it our fault if you don't need us? Better get to working, you have a hard sell to the American people, not just the democratic party.

[oasis]

27. You didn't hear it from me because I know discontented types

are of no help to anyone.

[CobaltBlue]

16. Responsibility

The eventual nominee of the Democratic Party is the No. 1 person responsible for his/her effort to win election to the presidency of the United States.

Since the opening post in this thread specifically addresses Hillary Clinton…I will trust that Hillary Clinton knows this. I also believe the same is true of everyone who is, and/or will be, working on her campaign. And I think everyone on Democratic Underground is also aware of this.

[silvershadow]

19. She's counting on the triangulation to have worked out again for them. Those Republicans

will flock to her. They recognize those with similar views on the world.

[timmymoff]

28. She does have a republican appeal , she would be like jim jeffords or

Lincoln chaffee

[silvershadow]

34. Yep. Third Way. DLC. nt

[tokenlib]

41. Enabling the Third Way and their betrayals gets old after two decades..n/t

[silvershadow]

49. Well in the primary it does. nt

[loyalsister]

89. Except they had integrity

and left their party when it became war hungry and corrupt. She is leading Dems into the abyss they left. The fact that she is a Democrat does not make it okay, and I fear we may see some Democrats go independent like Jim Jeffords and Lincoln Chaffee.

[annavictorious]

78. Why does the

arrow on the B point to the past?

[silvershadow]

81. Back to a constitutional government. Back to our stable democratic foundations.

Back to where we were before Third Way took a sledgehammer to it all. Back to functioning government of, by, and for the people. Not of, by, and for the Corporations. President Jimmy Carter has stated very publicly we no longer have a functioning democracy. I believe him. Not because he said it. Because I already knew it, saw it unfold. Am living it. I just happen to agree with him. He is the only one of his high profile status with the guts to say it, besides Bernie (has at least intimated).

It also could mean "Run AWAY from whatever direction Hillary is moving".

Could mean lots of things. I am not sure what it meant to whomever made it. It isn't my graphic.

[Thinkingabout]

26. So far, she has over three million more converts than Sanders, and this is not even counting the

republican women Trump the Rump is pissing off were not able to vote for her in the primaries. It has been exciting to follow her through the primaries and then on to the GE and further.

[timmymoff]

30. Like a lemming follow her over the cliff

[Thinkingabout]

31. You must know something about being a lemming following Sanders over the cliff. Have fun.

[timmymoff]

39. No cliff

this isn't a sport's game. We already won the message shown easily by her rapid evolutions towards Senator sanders policies. But when the lurch back to the right happens, she will lose more voters than the Sanders people. I know I won't be working for her, or donating, or canvassing, or phone banking, or even speaking positive about her. She hasn't earned it, but you don't need us anyway, unless you want someone to blame for her loss she will earn.

[annavictorious]

82. The bottom line is that

in his 28 years in Congress, Sanders has done nothing to advance his agenda (unless you count the most incremental of all incremental measures, innocuous amendments appended to the legislation that others wrote and fought for.)

Sanders has taken corporate and financial sector money to run his congressional campaigns.
Sanders has tailored his gun votes to align with what is acceptable to the NRA.
Sanders has hidden his assets under his wife's name.
Sanders has made deals to keep Vermont's garbage out of white neighborhoods by dumping it in brown neighborhoods, a rare feat for a man who has spent his career doing nothing.

There's a reason why none of his colleagues endorse or support him.

Now he's trying to exploit an organization that he neither believes in or belongs to for his personal gain.
Strong-arming a nomination against the will of the voters is the only strategy he has left, so that's what he'll do.
It doesn't get anymore entitled than that.

[Thinkingabout]

84. Like the policy of SS, oh yes, Sanders now has her policy.

Oh, universal health care, her policy also, her policy on Dodd Frank on breaking up the banks, its okay he has arrived on her policies, we don't hold it against him.

[JoePhilly]

93. You forgot the relevant image ...

[msongs]

33. while berners were giving him $27 per he was dining on lobster on his private jet to the vatican nt

[timmymoff]

36. damn him

if he only took the corporate money at $353,000 a plate then it wouldn't look like he was ripping people off. At least those people know they will be getting their money's worth huh? Wall St. , Big Pharma, MIC, and various donors of the Cliton foundation recognize money well spent.

[griffi94]

42. I'm glad that she's got those big doners

The GOP will be well funded
so she's going to need a big war chest.

Sorry you're so bothered by it but the majority
of the voters aren't.
That's why she's leading Bernie by such a huge deficit
even tho he's out spending him.

She's got this.

[timmymoff]

44. Yay big corporate money!!!

She will obviously fight them tooth and nail once the election is over.

[griffi94]

47. Yay 8 more years

with a Democrat in the oval office.

[silvershadow]

38. Yeah. That's Bernie. His whole life just taking and all about him. Never about

those he he has spent his whole life advocating for, the poor, the downtrodden. The veterans. Women. On and on. The people in his state know him best and the overwhelmingly love him.

[RandySF]

52. I love the smell of desperation in the evening.

Smells like........victory.

[timmymoff]

54. Smells like oligarchy to me

[msongs]

55. for your convenience here is the definition of oligarch since bernie IS one....

Simple Definition of oligarch

: a person who belongs to a small group of people who govern or control a country, business, etc.

source - merriam webster

[timmymoff]

56. Bernie is the one fighting from inside

Hillary is the one opening doors for vampires. Big difference. Unless you support the corporate masterhood .

[BootinUp]

61. You meant Saint Bernie I presume. nt

[asuhornets]

63. Over 12 million Democratic voters disagree with you...eom

[timmymoff]

65. key words democratic voters

not many others have the same interest. But enjoy. As stated, own the win own the loss.

[lovemydog]

69. If you're sincere in your post,

you can find the positives yourself. Many liberal democrats are voting for Hillary, myself included. You appear to me too self-defeatist to listen. I don't do 'hard sell.' Good luck on your journey to find positives about why to vote for her in November. By the way, that 'lack of trust' thing is a massive right wing meme. She's actually far more trustworthy than any republicans. Most everyone who has ever worked with her say she's very trustworthy.

[bvf]

75. Spare me.

By the way, that 'lack of trust' thing is a massive right wing meme. She's actually far more trustworthy than any republicans.

You must be joking.

That's like saying Joe McCarthy was far more trustworthy than Father Coughlin.

And attributing her high negatives to "a massive right wing meme" doesn't much wash, either. How many links would you like?

[lovemydog]

90. You're spared.

And no, I wouldn't like any links.

[bvf]

91. Of course you wouldn't

because you know your post was pure nonsense.

[beachbum bob]

77. no hard sell, not voting for our nominee to allow trump the whitehouse is the same

as voting FOR trump....and the lives of "liberals" will be as impacted as the rest of us....but THEY would be responsible

[timmymoff]

94. once again, eat your peas!

[Vincardog]

103. How can liberals be responsible for her inability to convince people she is liberal?

[pampango]

83. There are PUMA people in every party after every primary season. That's nothing new.

The names and issues change but not the sentiment. The GOP will be dealing with it again - though they are better at 'coming together' during the GE (only to 'fall apart' again afterwards).

[MisterP]

85. oh, her inner circle already has blame-the-voters talking points prepared even as

they tell her it's in the bag already--remember when DUers were saying she'd win VT? now just think, that's how her campaign must be like 24/7

this same spirit of genius has lost us 11 Governors, 13 Senators, 69 Reps, 913 state seats, and left with 26% of the electorate, because it can always deny that they were the ones who lost it: in fact they just rely on things getting so bad under GOP rule that the Dems pick up some seats eventually

[vintx]

86. Once again wish I could rec posts.

[MisterP]

87. funny how much they screamed about Sarandon when the only way they can win

is if people get sick enough of the Pubs to turn back to them--note how excited they are over those 5 Senate seats that are swinging because of precisely this

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

88. It's a very faulty product they're going to have to sell and buyers may be scarce.

[JoePhilly]

92. Keep your figures crossed!!!!

Better to let Trump win and destroy the country so a new socialist utopia can rise from the ashes!!!!

[timmymoff]

96. or let hillary sign tpp and select another corporate crony to the supreme court

[Feathery Scout]

95. Amazing Dem Surrogates Campaigning For Her

Hillary will have some incredible Democrats campaigning with *and* for her...

Bill Clinton
Elizabeth Warren
Joe Biden
Bernie (I hope )

And of course....rock stars Michelle and POTUS!

These are huge advantages!

[Pastiche423]

98. lol!

Bernie and Elizabeth campaigning for her?

May I have some of what you are smoking?

[Feathery Scout]

99. : )

I think the entire Dem team will pull together to defeat Trump.

I truly hope everyone will. He is too horrible to be elected.

[Pastiche423]

105. Bernie can beat Trump 51% to 38%

Will the Clinton supporters pull together so that Bernie can beat Trump?

[Feathery Scout]

109. Yes!

I will fully support our Dem nominee.....to beat Trump/Cruz.

Whoever it is. Full and absolute support.

Trump is mortifying to me. Cruz is worse.

The America those 2 men envision is so terrifying....I fear for the future.

So yes!! A thousand times yes!!! I will support our Dem nominee.

[dubyadiprecession]

108. Not a hard sell, but....

a cake walk for Hillary. All she has to do is saturate the airwaves with trump running his s***hole mouth.

[timmymoff]

110. that will get me to vote for her... not.

[brush]

111. FYI: Don't believe the Sanders' supporters hype, Clinton is a liberal Dem. Her and Sanders voted 93%

. . . of the time the same way. And yes we will work with the Obama coalition — sensible progressive whites who don't want a repug appointing the next 3 SCOTUS justices, African Americans, Latino Americans, women, gays, Asian Americans and Native Americans who elected Obama twice to elected Hillary against that racist, sexist, anti-immigrant Trump.

Also, remember we, the demographic segments mentioned above, outnumber the angry whites who support Trump.

And one more FYI: depending on whites only to get elected to national office doesn't work anymore. 2012 proved that as Romney got a huge majority of the white vote and lost handily.

It doesn't work in the Democratic Party either apparently as Sanders has won in the mostly white, least diverse states and is trailing badly.

The demographics of the country is browning as we speak.

[timmymoff]

113. enjoy

always note that 7% difference is the game changer for me and others, but sell neo liberalism however you wish. I wish you luck in November if Clinton is the nominee, get to work, I won't be helping the cause of continuing to destroy the middle class.

[brush]

117. Oh you'll be doing your part all right by not voting blue, but don't worry. We've got this.

As if the repugs and those foolish enough to have voted for Reagan and the two Bushes and their "trickle down" fraudulent economic theory aren't the ones who destroyed the middle class starting with clobbering the union movement under St. effing Ronnie and almost sending the country, jobs and housing over the cliff in 2008 during the great recession (Cheney/Bush).

Those are your enemies.

And btw, Sanders voted along with them on their war and arms authorizations more times than anyone else still in the race.

Look it up if you don't believe me. He's been in office for nearly 30 years and went along routinely, but now is seen somehow as this great pacifist vs Clinton the warmonger.

[timmymoff]

118. I'm voting blue dear fan of oligarchy

I will be leaving president blank, get to selling the shit sandwich we've been offered.

[seabeyond]

112. You mean... Since Clinton is the nominee!

[timmymoff]

114. We had the convention?

Shit I missed it.

[seabeyond]

115. Clinton kicked ass.

[timmymoff]

116. She did very well with the sanders platform.

And now is the time for the hard lurch to the right of Nixon. I will save my told you so's for later. Nothing quite like getting the choice between a conservative and a conservative. No thank you. Enjoy , get to work, You don't want a Trump presidency, and only Hillary supporters can prevent that.