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riversedge

(70,242 posts)
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:02 AM May 2016

Top Sanders surrogate (Keith Ellison): Bernie supporters have "responsibility" to unite the party:




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Top Sanders surrogate: Bernie supporters have "responsibility" to unite the party:
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Top Sanders surrogate (Keith Ellison): Bernie supporters have "responsibility" to unite the party: (Original Post) riversedge May 2016 OP
Will that put him under the bus? Or shown to the door? NurseJackie May 2016 #1
+1000 stonecutter357 May 2016 #7
Thank you Congressman Ellison. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #2
Did you read the preceding paragraph too? That's equally important Armstead May 2016 #3
They overlook this part in their condescension too. hobbit709 May 2016 #4
+100000000 Armstead May 2016 #5
Not really. Why would she chase a handful of votes from unreliable voters (who "hate" her anyway) NurseJackie May 2016 #8
40 percent Apx of voters in primaries Armstead May 2016 #13
I'm talking about chasing the haters who'd never vote for her anyway. NurseJackie May 2016 #14
Who did he have in mind for Bernie Supporters to unite behind? ViseGrip May 2016 #6
Name one position of hers you do not like fun n serious May 2016 #12
I've got a laundry list. VulgarPoet May 2016 #16
Awesome fun n serious May 2016 #18
I stand against both of 'em. VulgarPoet May 2016 #22
I'm against TPP and would like a more serious fun n serious May 2016 #24
Don't forget, no fly zone in Syria. And her support for fracking. And her support by the real devil: Zen Democrat May 2016 #30
This OP is a classic example of Political Myopia--Extracting the message desired, not one expressed! TheBlackAdder May 2016 #9
Exactly. I listen to what the candidates say. Bernie says it's up to us, each voter. ViseGrip May 2016 #10
I have a responsibility LWolf May 2016 #11
Vote down ticket, preferably Sanders/FDR Dems in GE nc4bo May 2016 #15
WHAT HE SAID: "everybody has a responsibility" Triana May 2016 #17
K&R mcar May 2016 #19
It's not our responsibility to fix what they broke. We have the right to vote Autumn May 2016 #20
Vanity and pride is not a winning strategy. NurseJackie May 2016 #23
Where you see vanity and pride I see honesty and truth. They broke it they can fix it. Autumn May 2016 #25
I see short-sightedness and defeat and placing a higher value on ... NurseJackie May 2016 #26
I have always voted, never missed an election. I will always vote for the democrat. Autumn May 2016 #27
Hillary's got this, with or without the Hillary-Haters. NurseJackie May 2016 #29
He's speaking to the HAND. So under the bus he goes. nt Jitter65 May 2016 #21
Sorry, uniting the party is low on my list of responsibilities whatchamacallit May 2016 #28
Um ... no. That's Hillary's job. closeupready May 2016 #31
As long as Debbie Wasserman Schultz is Chair of the Democratic Party ... Zen Democrat May 2016 #32
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
3. Did you read the preceding paragraph too? That's equally important
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:06 AM
May 2016

"she's going to have to carry the banner that Bernie carried in an overt way...."

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
4. They overlook this part in their condescension too.
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:09 AM
May 2016

"suggested the Clinton camp had some work to do in order to appeal to Sanders’s supporters"

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
8. Not really. Why would she chase a handful of votes from unreliable voters (who "hate" her anyway)
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:24 AM
May 2016

... instead of staying exactly where she is (which is AHEAD by the way) and keeping the votes (and LEAD) she does have?

You know... rarely is an opportunity missed by many here to give Bernie credit for Hillary having "stolen" one of Bernie's positions (as he's the sole keeper of all liberal positions). So, if we concede this absurd notion of Keeper-Bernie, and if we go ahead and agree with those who say such things, then it would be fair to say that Hillary has ALREADY "given-in" and is ALREADY (overtly) "carrying Bernie's banner".

Moral of the story, be happy with what you've got. You've already bragged about "dragging Hillary to the left" ... so THERE'S your "victory" right there.



 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
13. 40 percent Apx of voters in primaries
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:41 AM
May 2016

Not a tiny sliver

If Sanders had 15 percent you might have a point..Bul not the case

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
14. I'm talking about chasing the haters who'd never vote for her anyway.
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:49 AM
May 2016

I think you probably knew that already, but in case you didn't, I'll go ahead and apologize for not being clearer the first time. My fault entirely. (Considering how juries typically work these days, it's often become instinctive for me to to merely "hint" at truths that others may find "offensive" and will try to hide with alerts. And as we see, that can result in lack of clarity and misunderstanding.)

In spite of what we see here at this web site with this self-selecting group of politically active and passionate individuals, I believe that the "hater" population is even less than the 15% you've estimated.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
6. Who did he have in mind for Bernie Supporters to unite behind?
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:12 AM
May 2016

If it's not a slaughter, then it is HILLARY that needs to convince them. That is the responsibility here. Hillary needs to make her case.
I just don't do things, without knowing what I'm getting.

Right now, I see nothing. Hillary's the candidate, and the voters vote.

Where is the responsibility?

Mine? So far, I don't like her positions on things...many things.

It is the responsibility of the candidate. Under the bus? No. He was just being cordial. But he is mistaken where the responsibility lies.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
16. I've got a laundry list.
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:27 AM
May 2016

Supporting private prisons.
Opposing medical and recreational marijuana-- after all, who's gonna fill the private prisons?
Flip-flopping support over the TPP.
Comments on "requiring a Manhattan Project" against encryption.
Flip-flopping support on Keystone XL, which is even more environmental issues waiting to happen that we don't need.
Et cetera.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
18. Awesome
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:30 AM
May 2016

now make a list of issues you would not support in a Trump presidency and another one for Cruz.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
22. I stand against both of 'em.
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:40 AM
May 2016

But that doesn't automatically mean I'm giving my vote to Hillary. None of the three of 'em are electable to me. To me, the unethical shipping out of Muslims, the repeal of LGBT rights, the current pitiful state of our military, the possibility that we'd be sent back to the Great American Sandpit, the fragility of our environment, and the fragility of American privacy are all reprehensible, unvotable issues for me. I'd prefer to give my vote to someone who I can align with, and that's no one in the mainstream parties, and most CERTAINLY not Trump.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
24. I'm against TPP and would like a more serious
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:42 AM
May 2016

approach on climate change... I have my disagreements with Hillary but I stand with her on most so she gets my vote.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
30. Don't forget, no fly zone in Syria. And her support for fracking. And her support by the real devil:
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:54 AM
May 2016

LLOYD BLANKFEIN AT GOLDMAN SACHS!

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
11. I have a responsibility
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:32 AM
May 2016

to analyze the situation and vote my conscience, rather than allowing a pundit to decide what my responsibilities are for me.

But thanks.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
15. Vote down ticket, preferably Sanders/FDR Dems in GE
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:15 AM
May 2016

no matter how you choose to vote on top of the ticket!





 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
17. WHAT HE SAID: "everybody has a responsibility"
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:27 AM
May 2016

NOT just Bernie supporters.

He DID say Bernie himself was not going to hand the country over to Trump. HE will urge unity.

And it is up to E V E R Y O N E (Hillary and Bernie supporters) to do it when push comes to shove in this election.

Autumn

(45,105 posts)
20. It's not our responsibility to fix what they broke. We have the right to vote
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:37 AM
May 2016

for the person we feel best represents our values and needs.

Autumn

(45,105 posts)
25. Where you see vanity and pride I see honesty and truth. They broke it they can fix it.
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:48 AM
May 2016
Not my circus, not my monkeys.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
26. I see short-sightedness and defeat and placing a higher value on ...
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:04 AM
May 2016

... hoping for (contributing to?) failure for no reason other than the sheer vanity and pride of having the coveted satisfaction of being able to say "told-you-so".

You want to "fix" something you think is "broken" ... then come on in and help. Yapping from the fringes and protesting by un-registering from the party, or not voting for the party's nominee serves no purpose except the selfish desire of some to feel "in-control" of a situation for which they have NO control.

The vanity protest voting (or non-voting as the case may be) is theirs to have and covet. I'm sure it will bring great comfort to the myopic few who need to be self-validated and self-consoled ... or those for whom a sense of "revenge" is the most important and ranks higher above all other considerations.

And that's their decision to make. We can't deny them their "right" so to do.

If that's the most mature way that they have in handling defeat, then they should simply step aside. We'll take it from here. (And, if they can't step aside, they'll be trampled by the rest of us as we stampede our way defeat the GOP nominee.)


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Note to Alerter: The word "trampled" is a figure of speech that pairs with the word "stampede" which is also a figure of speech. Physical violence is not being advocated or suggested or implied.

Autumn

(45,105 posts)
27. I have always voted, never missed an election. I will always vote for the democrat.
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:16 AM
May 2016

And will continue to vote for the democrats, the ones who represent my values. I stopped reading after the second paragraph. Yesterdays word was duty, today it's responsibility. Keep trying.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
29. Hillary's got this, with or without the Hillary-Haters.
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:53 AM
May 2016
I stopped reading after the second paragraph.

That's fine. I'd already made my point by then. The rest was more for the benefit of those reading along rather than for you.

But, you know... that attitude also helps to illustrate how impatient many Bernie fans are. So much desire for instant gratification, seldom looking beyond their immediate wants and desires. In my opinion, many Bernie fans appear to see voting as a "religious" experience and make their voting choices based on the feeling they get and the personal pride of "voting their conscience" rather than being more analytical and pragmatic and realistic in the battle against the GOP.

The phrase you emphasized in bold included the word "my" ... that tells me more about you than you probably intended it to.



Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
32. As long as Debbie Wasserman Schultz is Chair of the Democratic Party ...
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:00 AM
May 2016

The Democratic Party has been compromised by friends of the Payday Lenders. I get these urgent emails from the DNC - nine or ten a day - begging for me to send money this year, and I have not sent a penny, and won't as long as she's chair. My money goes to Bernie, Period. If Bernie is not the nominee, then the Democratic Party will have to continue to prostitute itself to Goldman Sachs, Citi, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan Chase and Bank of America. Don't ask me for one red cent, DNC.

The veil is lifted and I see the light.

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