How Hillary Could Win The Election & Lose The Country

[chwaliszewski]

Hillary Clinton’s all-but-insurmountable delegate lead in the Democratic race, and her strong numbers against any probable Republican opponent in the fall, now pose a paradox: She might win the presidency but lose the country.


http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/how-hillary-could-win-the-electionand-lose-the-country-213852

Interesting read.

[leftofcool]

1. Hillary is evil blah blah blah...........................

[Bettie]

5. It doesn't say that at all

clearly, you didn't read the article.

[pmorlan1]

13. Strange

A lot of Hillary supporters tend to do that. They don't read the article but want to comment about it. It's bizarre. I posted what I thought was an interesting piece earlier this morning and the Clinton crowd has posted one hysterical post after another. I even got personally attacked for questioning if they read the piece. It's gotten really strange here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511879425

[VulgarPoet]

2. K/r.

[Firebrand Gary]

3. Bad Hillary, bad, bad, bad.

[djean111]

4. Here's the thing - Hillary would not care, in the least.

She has her big donors and backers, she has her Third Way To-Do list, she has her MIC and Corporate buddies, and is ready to reward them.

Seriously, she would not give a flying fuck about how the country feels or anything like that. Not her mission. Approval ratings in the toilet make her laugh. Why would she care? really? The DNC has been disassembling the Democratic Party for a while now - under DWS's tender care - Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats. IMO Hillary and the Third Way and Debbie DINO are rebuilding the Democratic Part firmly to the right, and figure that they will pick up Republicans, when actual Democrats leave.

And the calls for bernie to fix the party? How the fuck is that Bernie's job, when the DNC has been funneling money to Hillary, and remaking the Party into a Third Way buffet, for years and years? No. Not Bernie's job, and they don't really want the Party "fixed", the are "fixing" it themselves, they just want Bernie to somehow get us all to stay and STFU and send money.

Hillary will find enough DINOs and Republicans to enact her Third way objectives, under a flase "bipartisan!" flag, and that is all, really, she wants to do. Then retire, and make even more well-paid speeches to her grateful supporters.

[BernieforPres2016]

8. I agree, but she will give a fuck when the economy collapses again

Four more years of the status quo comes with extremely high odds of another financial/economic meltdown in my opinion. The path of economic inequality we're on is unsustainable. The last time wealth and income inequality was where it is now was just before the Great Depression.

[djean111]

10. Wish that were true, but i would be astounded if she and Bill and all of her buddies have not

got their money sheltered away from any collapsed economy.

She does not care.

[BernieforPres2016]

15. It would stop her from a second term and further tarnish the Clinton legacy

She definitely cares about that.

[djean111]

18. I don't think so, any more. I think she and Bill are in it for the money now.

There is no legacy - not any good one, now that more and more is known of what they did, and the effects what they did, have had on people. She must know that.

I think this term is a notch on her belt, and a way to get done what a republican could not get done - a brazen Third Way and MIC and corporate agenda. She will work with the GOP on the many things they have in common - ruinous (for people and countries) trade agreements, war, fracking, no to single payer and further solidifying the hold of private insurance on our money. Privatization. She wants to means-test Social Security and redistribute it, not raise the cap. Beginning of the end, especially as the trade deals suck good-paying jobs (and employer contributions to Social Security) out of the country. And she would, I have no doubt, continue with Bill's quest to hand the Social Security fund to wall street to fatten itself on. Bill and Newt would have done that, but Monica Lewinsky made it bad optics. It has not gone away, just waiting for another Third Way triangulator to implement it.

Add to this the fact that, under DWS, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, and 13 Senate seats. Inept? And - I guess we can see where the money went - right to Hillary. The DNC and the Hillary backers are trying to make this Bernie's job to fix - but it is not Bernie's job, it is theirs, and I kinda think this is happening on purpose.

[BernieforPres2016]

19. She and Bill are in denial about Bill's legacy.

They believe the people who oppose them are stupid, naive and/or evil. See the nonsense Bill spouts on the campaign trail. Don't underestimate what living in a bubble with Secret Service protection and surrounded by sycophants has done to their sense of reality. Getting rejected for a second term as President is a crushing blow to anybody.

I am wondering just how brazen Bill is going to get in terms of doing business with sleazy companies and dictators in 3rd world countries when there is effectively no check on him. At least there were some boundaries when Hillary was Secretary of State and had a boss. The State Department blocked Bill from taking a $650K speaking fee from the Republic of Congo and having his picture taken with a couple of despots.

[djean111]

20. I think, to put it more kindly than he deserves, Bill has gone 'round the bend.

In a boat full of money, to be sure, but, nevertheless, 'round the bend. I cannot imagine watching or listening to Bill or Hillary any more, ever. No point, and revolting.

[BernieforPres2016]

21. Here's a 2008 profile on Bill by the same author who wrote the piece linked in the OP

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/07/clinton200807

<Old friends and longtime aides are wringing their hands over Bill Clinton’s post–White House escapades, from the dubious (and secretive) business associations to the media blowups that have bruised his wife’s campaign, to the private-jetting around with a skirt-chasing, scandal-tinged posse. Some point to Clinton’s medical traumas; others blame sheer selfishness, and the absence of anyone who can say “no.” Exploring Clintonworld, the author asks if the former president will be consumed by his own worst self.>

[djean111]

22. Just judging by his current appearances, I have no trouble believing that.

How embarrassing, to put it mildly, it would be to have that back in the White House again.

[BernieforPres2016]

6. "Pragmatically hawkish" foreign policy?

What the heck does that mean? Why not just call her a Bush/Cheney/Kissinger/Wolfowitz neocon and be done with it?

[BernieforPres2016]

7. Hard to believe this banality didn't come from an actual admitted Republican

<Indeed, in her victory speech in Brooklyn, she even resorted to borrowing one of her husband’s less than compelling generalities, “There’s nothing wrong with America that can’t be cured by what’s right with America.”
>

That one is right up there with her sponsoring the bill to stiffen the penalty on the epidemic of flag burning.

[beachbum bob]

9. I highly doubt it...

[glowing]

11. Again, what's the message? What's her vision?

Where do we go? Obama had to right the ship, God bless the man. He probably gave up too much at times to keep things floating. Now, now that companies sit on trillions and companies post billions in profit, and the banks and Wall St can't complain about shit, now is the time to have bold visions. Where do we lead the world into. Sounds to me like she would sit practically while others pass us by.

Even if she embraced a feminist agenda as a core campaign beacon, it would at least register as having a message.

[pmorlan1]

12. Thank you

for posting this link. I agree, it's an interesting piece.

[Demsrule86]

14. I heard this same nonsense

with Gore and Bush...it is always better to win.

[apnu]

16. Sorry but the country is already lost.

Look how gridlocked we are because a black man is President. Hillary Clinton will face the same gridlock because she is 1) a woman and 2) a Clinton. Washington has always hated the Clintons. They were seen a Arkansas trailer trash in 1992 and that feeling never left in 2000 when Bill Clinton left office, despite the fact that both Bill and Hillary Clinton were very popular when they left the Oval Office.

You watch if Hillary is President. Despite the fact that she's been paid by Wall Street in a variety of ways. Despite the fact that she's into the global racket, they will turn on her day one. Remember, Wall Street also donated millions to Obama in 2008 and they turned on him too. Hell they turned on W for that matter. Wall Street doesn't care who or what is President so long as they get their slice of the pie and if they don't, they punish until they get the whole pie.

On Globalization, that genie is long out of the bottle. It was released by Reagan and we can all blame him for it. H.W. Bush continued it and so did Bill Clinton. There wasn't much Bill Clinton could do about it by the time he was President, but he embraced Globalization, so that's that. W. Bush doubled down on it, subscribing to the popular Conservative thought that American wages are "too high" and a wage correction is needed for America to be competitive. This is hogwash, but its what W did for 8 years. Draining jobs from America so the American worker becomes desperate for any work at any rate accomplishes the wage correction the 1% desires.

And let's be honest people, Obama, whom I love, has done nothing about wage and jobs in America. Yes he's facing historic gridlock, but he does not talk about wage slavery much. So he too, by inaction, allows the Globalization genie to run wild across the planet.

So, no matter who Hillary Clinton is, no matter what she's about, she cannot stop the Globalization monster. And if we pretend that Bernie is President and give him a filibuster proof Congress full of progressives, he can't stop the Globalization monster either. This is like the Inflationary Spiral every General Business 101 class talks about, once it starts there's no way to stop it. The only way to save American jobs is to go full on Protectionist and Isolationist for America. Not even Bernie is talking about that.

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. Good God

Now even winning is losing for Clinton!