Bernie’s Bad End...Paul Krugman

[workinclasszero]

Bernie’s Bad End
MAY 2, 2016 6:44 AM

This is really depressing: Sanders claiming that there will be a contested convention, and suggesting that the nomination fight was rigged. Can someone tell Bernie that he’s in the process of blowing his own chance for a positive legacy?

At this point it’s as if Sanders is determined to validate everything liberal skeptics have been saying all along about his unwillingness to face reality — and all of it for, maybe, a few weeks of additional fundraising, at the expense of any future credibility and goodwill. Isn’t there anyone who can tell him to stop before it’s too late?

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/05/02/bernies-bad-end/

[Human101948]

1. Paul...what happened to you?

And your concern for his furture stature is unnecessary. He's alread Number One on the Clinton Revenge List.

[KittyWampus]

8. Nothing happened to Krugman. He's part of the reality based community.

The community which acknowledges "math".

[Human101948]

13. All that requires him to say is "Bernie will not win..."

The concern about Bernie's "legacy" is just manure.

[KittyWampus]

15. Sanders' nonsense is now giving liberals and progressives a bad name.

[Human101948]

20. Only in the minds of corporate center right "Dems"

Hillary and Bill and Paul Krugman Race to the Right to Stop the Bern

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-k-black/hillary-and-bill-and-paul_b_9650878.html

[Thinkingabout]

31. Corporate people like Sanders, he loves him some Lockheed Martin, oh they need some more money

well count on Sanders, no problem. Corporations like the gun manufacturers, count on Sanders, he has that group covered also. The fund raising with the likes of Goldman Sachs, count him in there also.

Thinks rich people should pay their fair share of taxes, no, wait, now that is going too far. Sanders pays less than 10%, Hillary pays 35%, even Romney paid around 12%. Who is getting protected here. He should stop embarrassing himself with what he is saying. Krugman is trying to help him preserve whatever record he has worked.

[Human101948]

34. You don't understand the tax code do you?

It's progressive, so you pay less on $300,000 than you do on an income of $28,000,000.

The one thing I will say for Hillary is that she uses fewer tax shelters than Mitt Romney.

Are you really so naive that you believe Krugman gives a shit about Bernie's "legacy?"

P.S.--It's the Republicans that want everyone to pay the same taxes--it's call a flat tax. And it would be a bonanza for people like Hillary who make tens of millions per year.

[KittyWampus]

32. I am a Progressive. But I'm NOT an ideologue. You don't define Progressive.

But many Sanders supporters do fall under the term "Ideologue" and then confuse their views on how progress should be made with the actual goals.

[imaginary girl]

63. thanks!

I love the way you phrase this!

[Armstead]

76. Do you think it is good that the economy has been swallowed by Monopoly Corporations and Banks?

?w=750

[merrily]

27. Nah Republicans and centrists devoted years to that. They almost succeeded, but now the pendulum

is swinging back.

[Demsrule86]

38. People think he is a Democrat

And of course he has slandered both Hillary and the Democratic party.

[RoccoR5955]

53. Only to right wingers and corporatists. n/t

[Demsrule86]

25. You are right

Bernie has trashed his own legacy with this sort of behavior.

[Human101948]

28. You were never going to think of Bernie again anyway, so why should he care?

He'll always be a shining example for many.

[anigbrowl]

70. Yes, like Dennis Kucinich

Remember his brave campaign of people power after he left off running for office?

[Demsrule86]

86. I loved Dennis...but very disappointed when he went to Fox.

Wikepedia...but I live in Ohio so I remember it.


"After he served out the remainder of his term, it was announced in mid-January 2013 that the former Congressman would become a political analyst, and a regular contributor on the Fox News Channel, appearing on programs such as The O'Reilly"

[Demsrule86]

85. Not for me he won't

You are right in that his supporters think he can do no wrong. But I think he is throwing Americans including his supporters under the bus by risking the general. I never want to hear or see him again. I would never be a part of anything he was involved in.

[RoccoR5955]

51. MATH is an acronym

M.A.T.H. = Mythological Assumption That Hillarycanwin.

[choie]

60. No, he's part of the "I want a cabinet post" community

[annavictorious]

77. Krugman also supported Clinton

over Obama in 2008. He's a policy wonk, and her plans are detailed and achievable.

[workinclasszero]

88. Math is hard

when you are losing.

[frylock]

64. Paul has always been an alpha Hillary bro.

[Squinch]

81. BS...what happened to you?

[merrily]

2. Such genuine concern from Clintonites for Sanders' legacy!

[stonecutter357]

7. Sanders' legacy ?

[CentralCoaster]

22. This article will be posted 39 times today. So desperate.

It is to laugh.

Win or lose, Hillary is a loser when it comes to integrity, honesty, etc. and Bernie is the winner.

That can never be taken away, not by all the money in the world or tricks in the book.

[Demsrule86]

39. He is taking it away

By attempting to overturn the will of the voters and claim a contested convention which he must know is false Bernie Sanders is trashing his own legacy.

[saidsimplesimon]

36. I agree, thank you merrily.

Primaries are all about campaigning, collecting delegates and playing the grand game of Democratic Party Leaders? Conventions are held to discuss the Party Platform and selecting a nominee? Is there something different this election cycle?

(imo) No harm will be done to either Mrs. Clinton or Senator Sanders if we hold off starting a meme on party unity and legacy. People supporting Senator Sanders will not be voting for either tRump, or the Nixon look/act alike. Republicans are saving their best negative advertising against either candidate until the General. The Kochs are stock piling cash in order to throw a billion out trying to buy the 2016 election.

Volunteer your time and/or money to the candidate of your choice. That's what I'll be doing. If Mrs. Clinton wins the nomination, I will get behind her while still challenging policies, behaviors and actions that I do not support.

No offense intended to anyone, I'm here to state my opinion as part of a Democratic process.

[Zen Democrat]

3. Actually, Paul Krugman, I believe YOU are not facing reality.

Why don't YOU stop before you torpedo your career as a pundit.

[Armstead]

79. I think the supercillious little turd is angling for the cabinet

[Hekate]

82. LOLZ. Paul Krugman has a Nobel Prize in Economics; his column is "Conscience of a Liberal"

I don't think he needs anything in the way of "endorsements" to continue being a pundit.

Eight years ago he was so popular here that people were fantasizing Obama would pick him for his Cabinet for Treasury. But he made it plain then that he has no desire for such a position. I've seen him on interviews -- he is (obviously) highly intelligent, but public speaking makes him nervous and he stutters during interviews.

During the BushCheney administration I realized that Paul Krugman is, if nothing else, the voice of sanity in an insane world, especially when it comes to a theory of economics that benefits humanity rather than the 1%.

[Zen Democrat]

83. So did Milton Friedman. Krugman is now taking back what he wrote 8 yrs ago! Fraud.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. I find the notion of upsetting the popular will profoundly disturbing.

Evelyn Calgary 20 minutes ago
Whenever I am looking for faulty arguments on either side of an issue I try doing a role-reversal. I tried to imagine Sec. Clinton making the same argument after losing that Sen. Sanders is now putting forward. Paragraph 3 would read like this:

Hilary Clinton dismissed Saunders victories driven by black voters as products of the conservative Deep South; she suggested that her defeat in New York was unfair because it was a closed primary; then, with the big loss in the mid-Atlantic primaries, she has said superdelegates should choose her despite a 3 million vote deficit.

I wonder how that would have gone over?


http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/05/02/bernies-bad-end/

[workinclasszero]

19. We all know how that would have went over DSB

But Bernie plays under special rules for some reason. SMH

[pandr32]

30. Way to highlight how ridiculous it has gotten!

[Demsrule86]

40. Awesome

The best response here.

[sufrommich]

42. Yep,that was an excellent response.

Their hypocrisy is on full display.

[JSup]

72. When I'm looking for faulty arguments...

...I always look for someone saying "we know better than the voters" or "the voters don't know what's good for them" or "their votes are irrelevant if they live in the Confederacy". Anyone who tries to skip convincing voters and instead argue why their votes shouldn't count is a grave threat to this nation.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

73. I have to be careful because we are going into verboten territory.

But the argument you cite is chillingly close to a Leninist argument.

[NWCorona]

5. Paul knows which side his biscuit is buttered nt

[stonecutter357]

6. K&R!

[Nye Bevan]

9. The petulant, sore-loser superdelegate fantasyland that Bernie is now inhabiting is most unbecoming.

I'd have much more respect for the guy if he accepts that he has lost by several million votes and bows out gracefully.

[bkkyosemite]

11. So I'm guessing you had lots of respect for her attacks on Obama (and that assassination remark

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on the way to CA) right?

[KittyWampus]

14. I didn't. And I don't have any respect for Sanders lying about a contested convention.

[Demsrule86]

41. Hillary knocked it off and she never criticised the party as a whole

She never threatened a contested convention although she had one the popular vote and had more of a reason to feel it was unfair.

[bkkyosemite]

45. She "knocked it off" LOL...no she did not. She is still at it. It's in her makeup.

[Demsrule86]

49. Bernie looks bad

Say what you will. She had more reason to try to stay in. He has lost by all measures.

[bkkyosemite]

56. He has every right to fight this to the end and that is a fact.

[Demsrule86]

84. The right?

Maybe, if he cares more for himself than the country...seems so...but should he. NO.

[Sheepshank]

52. Why don't you point out how Hillary claimed the votes were rigged in 2008

Maybe you could point out where Hillary declared the delegate system to be rigged in 2008 and most importantly link to comments where she disparaged and sued the Democratic Party.

Guessing you will just move the goal posts as you did in the response I replied to.

[bkkyosemite]

55. Wow there is a lot of stuff in your post. He absolutely should have sued the party. They would

not give him his lists. He reported data base problems they ignored them. He did not disparage them lol. He did what he should have. The votes were rigged and you absolutely have read about the reports of fraud. Right out of the mouth of the SOS in AZ. Many states had horrific irregularities and all in closed primaries. Disgusting. No goal posts are involved. It was a coronation from the beginning. She is not winning this election fair and square if she wins at all.

[Sheepshank]

59. yes,we know Bernie sued the party and let the suit drop when the independent findings were released.

how astute of you to notice.

and as predicted you veer away from the topic at hand...so let me bring you back

Demsrule86 (1,052 posts)
41. Hillary knocked it off and she never criticised the party as a whole

She never threatened a contested convention although she had one the popular vote and had more of a reason to feel it was unfair.

you replied:

bkkyosemite (4,876 posts)
45. She "knocked it off" LOL...no she did not. She is still at it. It's in her makeup.

I asked you to prove where she didn't knock it off...

52. Why don't you point out how Hillary claimed the votes were rigged in 2008

Maybe you could point out where Hillary declared the delegate system to be rigged in 2008 and most importantly link to comments where she disparaged and sued the Democratic Party.

Guessing you will just move the goal posts as you did in the response I replied to.

Do try and stay on point

[bkkyosemite]

67. I'm not taking a term paper. Hillary attacked Bernie first and consistently.

[Sheepshank]

68. poor excuse for attempting to pass along an untruth

[bkkyosemite]

69. No excuses ...facts are facts.

[anigbrowl]

71. Your 'facts' aren't.

[Human101948]

18. Yeah! Sore Loserman! Where did I hear that before?

Our own national polling average has Hillary Clinton ahead of Bernie Sanders by 7.6 percentage points, essentially2 her narrowest margin of the campaign. That lead is down from 18.5 percentage points on Jan. 31, the day before Iowa voted.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/more-democrats-are-feeling-the-bern-probably/

Hillary fading. Thank God she had all those Confederate States front loaded!

[Demsrule86]

43. Thank God

Or we would be stuck with a guy who can't win the general election...Bernie.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. SMH

Confederate states like Iowa, New York, Ohio, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland,Connecticut , Missouri, and Arizona?

[bkkyosemite]

10. You HRC supporters are all over the place today..I loved his press conference.

[KittyWampus]

12. What all Sanders supporters who criticize Krugman for fail to acknowledge-

When Sanders says there will be a "contested convention", he is either:

1. Lying
2. Unaware of the facts and figures

Neither possibility makes him even remotely seem suited for the office of POTUS.

[Bluenorthwest]

37. So when Hillary says this shit, what's she doing? Lying or pandering to the right?

Tens of thousands died while Hillary's Heroes did nothing but laugh about it.

[Doctor_J]

16. Bernie's legacy will be that of a lifetime fighter for the poor, underserved, working class, people

of color, gays, and all manner of the 99%. Hillary's legacy will be that of a soulless Macheavellian who flip flopped on literally every issue, just to get elected.

I'll take Sanders', TYVM

[LexVegas]

17. He'll be as relevant as John Edwards after June. nt

[NurseJackie]

21. Damn!

[Broward]

23. The chips were finally down this election season and Krugman proved himself

to be a liberal fraud.

[BootinUp]

58. How are the chips down exactly when Bernie has no path to the nomination?

[Broward]

61. Krugman has been shilling for Hillary for months now.

Hillary's nomination was not a forgone conclusion when his crusade against Bernie began.

[BootinUp]

62. The thing I admire about Krugman, is how good he is at defending himself

with facts when people attempt to show he is just shilling.

[frylock]

65. Krugman has been shilling for Hillary for years now.

[Festivito]

24. "Really depressing" Really? Depressing? No. No. I say EXCITING. Free TV ads for days!

Watching the RW press squirm through LW points of view.

Fun.

Talk about a positive legacy. Talk about facing reality. If the ideas we fight for are not credible or fostering of goodwill, what are any of us fighting for. An opinion in the form of a burp!

I don't think so.

Stop? NO!

RUN!

[CrowCityDem]

26. Krugman is right.

Bernie would do far more good, both for himself and for his cause, if he were to bow out with grace and let the general election strategy begin. If he wants to run symbolically and positively through California, that's fine.

But to continue hammering the party at every turn, and now saying he's still planning to try to steal the nomination at the convention, he has abandoned the principles he said made him the better choice. It's sad to see him stoop to that level, and I think someone needs to point out to him that if he doesn't officially concede this thing when the voting is done, he may very well get frozen out in the Senate. The party won't want to reward someone who showed them no respect.

[merrily]

33. Oh, please. He knows better than you do what is good for him and his cause--and you are not

worrying about either of those things, anyway. You want him to drop out for Hillary's sake. Pretending it's about his cause fools no one.

As a donor, I want him to stay in. In fact, it's time for another donation.

[Demsrule86]

47. He should go to California

If Trump is still competitive...we don't want the GOP ruining our Senate chances...they could get two GOP's in the election with California's screwy laws because more GOP types show up than Dems.

[beachbumbob]

29. We will see if bernies love of Bernie is greater than his love of America

Pretty soon...it will be clear..and prove his detractors correct...and disappoint a lot of us that had some respect for the guy

[tokenlib]

35. Still looking for a cabinet post..Krugman should just shut up at this point n/t

[DonCoquixote]

44. Krugman, after years of Obama bashing

Which you knew was used by his detractors, NOW you start banging the party unity drum, especially for someone who was firmly to Obama's right? You slammed Obama for the stimulus being too low, think Hillary will even want to say the word lest her friends Erskine Bowles and Lynn Rothschild get a coronary?

If you were focusing on the need for whoever wins to be able to say stimulus, I would have respected you, for to see you shill for Hillary, probably to get the position that you punished Obama for not daring to give you, ruins your cred. I hope that when, despite herself, Hillary wins, she hires you and then fires you quick so that whoever she really wants in there gets it (maybe she will poick Timmy again?)

[Gothmog]

46. Sanders is lying about contested convention to keep small dollar donations coming

[bkkyosemite]

48. This primary was rigged to hell. He won 70% 60% and high 50% and those supers had already

went with Clinton BEFORE Bernie was ever in the race. Coronation and corruption throughout the voting process. Go Bernie Go...he knows what he is doing and so do we and we agree. Sorry HRC's it ain't flying til Bernie says so. And his supporters are not stupid Got...we are still donating because we know what we do.

[Vattel]

54. Krugman has shown that he cannot be objective when he is defedning Hillary.

This piece is openly and shamelessly unfair to Sanders. He doesn't even pretend to be doing objective commentary. What a fool.

[Cha]

66. Thank you, Paul Krugman!

working~

[Jim Lane]

74. This attack on Bernie is like attacking Hillary for having Vince Foster murdered.

The similarity is that no one sees any merit whatsoever to the attack except for the people who already despised the target of the attack anyway.

Paul Krugman's concern about Bernie's legacy will sway precisely as many votes as the right wing's Vince Foster crapola -- that is to say, zero.

[BootinUp]

78. That's one hell of a comparison. Should I take mind altering substances to understand it? nt

[seabeyond]

75. Not only an unwillingness to face reality, but a need to cause destruction and chaos with the

Democratic Party.

[Armstead]

80. Krugman kissing ass because he thinks he can coattail on Clinton

The supercilious little turd

[cherokeeprogressive]

87. Krugman needs to stick with writing about economics.

And given his opinions on things political, I'm fucking glad he only WRITES, and has never taken an active role in running a national economy. Could you imagine how fucked up and tilted the playing field would be if he did?