Sanders quote: Often "a child has an old bitch of a teacher (and there are many of them).....

[bettyellen]

"Often "a child has an old bitch of a teacher (and there are many of them) or pehaps (sic) he simply is not interested in school and would rather be doing other thing (sic)," Sanders wrote in his column, "Cancer, Disease and Society," for an alternative publication called The Vermont Freeman."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/29/politics/bernie-sanders-own-words/


That's pretty interesting, huh?

[Sheepshank]

1. It's how he made money since he couldn't hold down a regular job

he wrote several nasty, articles for the same publication, and the BSer's here are holding them up and justifying those articles (the rape fantasy essay is a biggy) as prime examples of his forward thinking.

[Maru Kitteh]

22. Couldn't, or didn't want to? I'm going with the latter.

And yes, his problem with females is pretty jarring.

[anigbrowl]

70. Oh, being a writer isn't a regular job?

I support Clinton and think the articles Bernie Sanders wrote are both trashy and poorly written. But there is nothing wrong with working as a writer or in some other branch of the arts instead of 'hold[ing] down a regular job.' I've been working freelance for half my life and as far as I am concerned regular jobs are for people who can't make a living out of their own creativity. I take pride in being able to sell the product of my own labor instead of having to sign my time over to someone else's control on their schedule. I suggest you take your condescending attitude right back to wherever you got it from.

[CajunBlazer]

138. Did you read the part that said that he probably wasn't paid for his articles?

[TheCowsCameHome]

2. From 1969. Forty-seven years ago.

That's the best you've found to dredge up?

Absolutely desperate and pathetic.

[bettyellen]

8. Interesting that such a "liberal" could also be so very sexist. Not shocked you hear shit like

"wedge issues" and "identity politics" so frequently from his supporters.

[TheCowsCameHome]

11. Couldn't find anything from the 1940's?

Did around a little more, why don't ya.

[bettyellen]

12. He was a grown ass man when spewing that foolish sexism. Spewing that sexism was his job.

[TheCowsCameHome]

18. Oh, please. You're looking unusually foolish.

Go dig around some more. Maybe he's got an unpaid parking ticket or something else idiotic to run with.

[bettyellen]

23. Comparing this to an unpaid parking ticket? SMH

I get it, "identity politics" ain't your thing. You;re going to be so disappointed that women are going to decide the election.

[TheCowsCameHome]

26. Uh-oh. Another scolding from the teacher.

[bettyellen]

31. So...you agree with his ideas about women "scolding". Wow, some people never grow up.

[apcalc]

133. If the scolding fits, wear it.

[bettyellen]

134. LOL. Nope.

[Maru Kitteh]

66. So like Bernie, you hate teachers too?

[TheCowsCameHome]

73. And little kittens, fuzzy ducklings, and ice cream.

You Hillary people are really something lately.

[gaspee]

78. The women's movement

Actually really arose when the men in all of the radical 60's movements expected women to make their coffee and shut the fuck up.

Not surprising a relic from that movement had that attitude back then. Does he still now?

All the men I know of that era (my dad and his pals) are still condescending dickwads about women.

[bettyellen]

79. Could explain why legitimate wins- and legit voters are summarily dismissed...

[LanternWaste]

14. One may imagine that should a Goldwater Girl label from 1964 be yet valid in 2016, this is as well.

One may imagine that should a Goldwater Girl label from 1964 be yet valid in 2016, this is as well. However, I fully realize that many people's biases compel them to allege unfair the consistent application to the goose what is applied to the gander.

[gaspee]

81. Funny how

people round here usually have nothing but praise for people who turned away from a republican upbringing and become liberals as they gain awareness for the world around them.

But in Hilary's case, she is evil because of the way parents raised her. Got it.

Unbelievable.

[Sheepshank]

55. He doesn't change...remember that is the draw to him.

Clinton is considered Camp Weathervane....

so now it's ok to change?

sheesh, guys, it's getting pretty hard to keep it all straight.

[George II]

181. The CNN article is fairly recent, and there are more recent quotes out there that have...

....been posted on DU and hidden.

[George II]

184. Incidentally, that's a year AFTER Hillary Clinton was a "Goldwater Girl" that's been posted...

...on DU ad nauseum.

Clinton was 17 at the time, Sanders was 28 when he said that.

I may be wrong, but I don't think I saw you complain about all those "Goldwater Girl" posts.

[firebrand80]

3. At least he didn't support Goldwater nt

[NWCorona]

4. This^^^

[pnwmom]

10. Who knows what else he supported when he was SIXTEEN YEARS OLD?

[Ferd Berfel]

16. Or Write the TPP or vote for Iraq Invaision or

support NAFTA or state that Single Payer Will never happen on her watch or..............



or support this shit.........

[Buzz cook]

39. do you know what the military was like before don't ask don't tell?

That's one of the reasons Bernie supporters don't make it with me. It's like you don't know any history.

[Ferd Berfel]

40. It didn't last very long did it?

Why was that program ended? What replaced it?

Single issue voter?

[Buzz cook]

49. Huh?

Before don't ask don't tell the military had a free hand to prosecute and discharge anyone accused of being gay. The punishments ranged from dishonorable discharge to death.
And it lasted from the formation of the Continental Army till don't ask don't tell was enacted by Clinton.

The perfidy and hypocrisy of the military's treatment of gay and lesbian soldiers, sailors, marines, and airforce goes deep into history.

I strongly recommend "Conduct Unbecoming: Gays and Lesbians in the US Military" by Randy Shilts.
http://www.amazon.com/Conduct-Unbecoming-Gays-Lesbians-Military/dp/5551973522

[bettyellen]

56. Exactly! This, the "flag burning" and abortion restriction issues brought up are ignorance

and I think most here actually know that already. Still they persist. Just like the fundraising money- five threads and no one read the article which disproves the headline?

[vintx]

61. DURING the civil rights movement, no less! nt

[AZ Mike]

5. 2016 - 1969 = 47

This is digging in deep. As if he has no record after that.

Ironic that Hillary supporters brush away criticisms of Hillary's anti-gay statements just 10 years ago, but reach way the hell back for stuff like this that Bernie would surely disavow himself.

Lol.

[bettyellen]

7. LIES. Not anti-gay, but for civil unions as opposed to marriage. The Clintons had the first truly

integrated White House- but walking the walk means nothing to people who spread lies.

[Prism]

53. It was anti-gay, period.

When you say God approves of heterosexuality but not homosexuality, you are expressing anti-gay sentiment.

Don't even try sugar coating that.

Unbelievable. You want your cake in sloppy servings. You want to decry nearly 50 year old sexism while dismissing fairly recent homophobia.

Nice work. Lots of integrity there.

[bettyellen]

161. I do not believe for a moment that the Clintons are homophobic. They have done more to promote LGBT

rights than Bernie "identity politics" Sanders ever did.

[Prism]

174. Oh, so suddenly you don't care about social justice

You dig up a remark from five decades ago and declare it Very Salient to Bigotry.

But recent homophobia from Clinton doesn't count in your mind.

Look, if you don't care because it's not relevant to you, just say so. At least it would be honest.

But dismissing issues important to the LGBT community because it hurts your narrative is pretty damned privileged of you. Check yourself.

[bettyellen]

177. Oh baloney. You do not represent the LGBT community's judgement on the Clintons.

Not everyone is foolish enough that SBS can snap his fingers and "make it so". Change more often happens in steps.

[scscholar]

151. But it supports his long history...

of such things. The three wives thing is getting to be a problem.

[AZ Mike]

152. Lol.

Ok. Keep digging.

[RandySF]

6. Take this and writings on women's rape fantasies

We have pretty disturbing picture.

[TheCowsCameHome]

9. The only thing disturbing

is the depths to which the HRC crowd has sunken.

[RandySF]

15. He didn't write these things

Or are you just upset that CNN found them?

[Bodhi BloodWave]

41. how about just saddened at the lenghts some of you will go to twist things? n/t

[TheBlackAdder]

13. This shit again? Snippets taken out of fully literary context, granted poorly constructed.

.


After my Introduction to Creative Writing course, I learned what was being attempted.

Reading these regurgitated OPs, it seems like creative thought and literary criticism are dead with many.


.

[Aerows]

20. Lord have mercy, I'd hate to see what

I wrote ... well, I wasn't around 47 years ago but maybe 20 years ago. I'm sure some of it wasn't pretty.

Honestly, I have things floating around that I wrote a couple of years ago, but they are questionable by design and intent

[bettyellen]

33. That is why you and me are not running for anything. HA.

People tried to get me to run for city council, and I knew I could not stand the scrutiny.

[NCTraveler]

72. You really don't remember article you wrote in your thirties?

We aren't talking about youthful indiscretions here. He wouldn't even meet the millennial category at the time he wrote this and another rape fantasy.

[dchill]

80. To be correct, if you're into that...

It would be "twenties", not thirties.

[NCTraveler]

91. I believe his rape fantasy writings were in his thirties. nt.

[dchill]

92. Is that a different horse...

than the one you rode into the stream?

[NCTraveler]

155. No. I'm kind of partial to my horse. Nt

[NurseJackie]

63. I know, right? Frustrating, isn't it?

Old stuff, out of context, another place and time. Go figure. Who'da thunk?

[gollygee]

17. I don't see this as being any more relevant than Hillary being a "Goldwater Girl" when she was young

People can mature. If I read the "she was a Goldater Girl" thing one more time, I'll scream. But this seems silly too. Yes, that's a sexist thing to say, but I don't think it's fair to assume that it indicates his current mind set and belief system.

[berni_mccoy]

19. Hillary referred to African Americans as Super Predators in much more recent history

[StevieM]

30. No. She didn't. (eom)

[berni_mccoy]

46. Talk to BLM... They haven't been calling her out on this for nothing.

[bettyellen]

36. Only if you think ultra violent drug dealing gang members are all black. And you'd be wrong.

[berni_mccoy]

47. Ask BLM what they think about it (as they've been calling her out on this)

[bettyellen]

52. Your post was inaccurate. The most violent drug gangs in NYC and LA were not POC....

history matters too. Good people of all colors were clamoring for higher penalties for violent offenders, as people were being caught in the cross fire. Young people see it as black and white, people who were living in the inner cities at the time do not appreciate hearing they are being lumped in with those sympathetic to violent criminals.

[berni_mccoy]

54. Not inaccurate. She was clearly referring to the AA community. And I've heard Hillary Fans

Say she's apologized for it (which I don't think was sincere if she did). Why would she apologize for it then?

[bettyellen]

59. she should apologize because it is a shitty way to refer to ANY HUMAN being. but to equate blacks w

all violent drug dealers? Not great either. Sorry, it never was this black or white.

[uponit7771]

145. Only stupid bastard ass'd racist think Super Predators are exclusively black. Dumb ass'd racist too

... the type to be voting for Trump

[loyalsister]

82. And yet, news media and popular culture- (which both Clinton's were very well aware of)

made a stereotype out of "gangs" which represented youth of color. They capitalized on that when they were pushing the bill just the way Clinton used his Sisteer Souljah moment to assure white USAers that despite the "first black president" characterization, he wasn't going to be too friendly with "those" people.

[bettyellen]

89. All of this ignores that their focus was increasing penalties for VIOLENT criminals only.

they did not cause the kids with a little pot to get big sentences. Some states did that, but people want to capitalize on confusion over that point, and demonize Bill Clinton for their own purposes. No integrity.

[loyalsister]

98. That what they told the CBC, who had reasonable concerns

Yet they turned around and escalated the drug war which penalized users far more than it has violent criminals. Differential sentencing for crack vs. cocaine. And she still won't support legalizing marijunana. If they had an ounce of remorse, they would both advocate that and send the Clinton foundation on a new mission for reparations for the lives and families they ruined.
But alas, no remorse, just a continuation of exploitation of people to the end of facilitating their own ambitions.

[uponit7771]

144. All BLM thinks that? REALLY?! Some people will make any excuse after a pure racist rant

[uponit7771]

142. This is false on its face, only stupid ass'd racist think blacks are super predators

[Scuba]

21. Desperation from Camp Weathervane.

[Vattel]

24. lol, in 1969 he used offensive language. Hillary is still using offensive language:

"illegal immigrant"
"off the reservation"

[bettyellen]

38. It's not a word, it is an attitude. a very sexist, resentful and woman blaming attitude.

[Vattel]

117. By that logic, in 2016 as opposed to 1969, Clinton has a very racist, resentful, immigrant blaming

attitude. During this primary, she used the label "illegal immigrants." She said not too many years ago that she is "against illegal immigrants," she supports immigration reform that includes punishments for prospective citizens, she has in this primary bragged about her support for a wall, she has recently supported sending back children refugees even though she conceded that they were safer here, etc. She sure sounds like a racist when it comes to Latino immigrants.

[bettyellen]

126. Is illegal immigrants a slur now? " Illegals" is, but II has a legal meaning....

I doubt this issue is one a SBS supporter actually wants to get into, LOL.

[Vattel]

136. "Illegal immigrant" is offensive, and even Hillary has apologized for her use of that expression.

The issue closest to my heart is immigrant rights, and Bernie is vastly superior to Hillary on that issue. Everyone brings up Bernie's vote against the 2007 immigration reform bill. Hillary in her usual dishonest way calls it "Ted Kennedy's bill" to make it seem like it was more progressive than it was and to hide the fact that, as immigration reform bills go, it was a steaming pile of shit. Those of us who actually care about immigration reform know how much immigration reform activists had to compromise to get a vote on that bill. The Republicans took the original bill and fucked it up good. It was like starting out with a plan to buy a house and finally settling for a shack. Even Menendez at one point criticized activists for settling for that bill. (He did vote for it, but he was not happy with it.) Do you think Menendez is anti-immigration reform? Do you think it was crazy to vote against it? If so, you don't understand the bill. A vote for that bill would have split up families. It would have supported exploitative guest worker programs. It would have punished poor, undocumented workers. It would also have provided a path to citizenship and, had I been a senator, I might have voted for it for that reason. But it would have been a vote for a lesser of two evils, like voting for Clinton instead of Trump.

[lumberjack_jeff]

120. Uppity people suck, don't they Hillary?

"I have a lot of experience dealing with men who sometimes get off the reservation in the way they behave"

At least he didn't describe the unpleasant teacher as disobedient.

[hobbit709]

25. So you're trying to put today's connotation on a word used 47 years ago?

What do you have to say about words Mark Twain wrote over a century ago?

[bettyellen]

28. that is not "a word"- it is a nasty attitude toward women in authority.... and quite telling he did

not get over his issues w/ women as an adult to the extent that he is writing quasi-scientific articles about how "bitches" can kill men because they are bossy.

[bettyellen]

27. Where you at, my Canesfan?

[Canesfan]

32. Hello

Bettyellen

I am here! Sorry about that. Looks like I had trouble with the instruction manual. Thank you for the invite. Looks like this is the place to be.

[bettyellen]

35. I have the honor of your first post!

Be prepared to be bashed as a "newbie" and accused of being a paid poster. This too shall pass!
And check out our awesome selection of smilies!

[Canesfan]

42. An honor indeed

Bring on the accusations. I'll deal with them swiftly and harsly. I'll go all Trump on the accusers if need be! Nice smile collection there.

[bettyellen]

45. And you have an avatar already! Well done! GD and GDP are the busiest.... and the AA and Lounge the

most entertaining places. I think you have to do a certain amount of posts before you can start an OP.
Did you notice you have mail? Just putting you through the paces.

[U4ikLefty]

172. Hired another intern?

[bettyellen]

179. Yeah, my dozen years here were all an elaborate ruse to eventually get paid! How clever you are to

find me out. LOL. Cannot wait till Hillary takes it and actual rules are reinstated here. Won't miss you a bit.

[Canesfan]

175. I sure did find the mail.

So how many posts do I need before i can OP? Not that I even want to right now as much as read all the other posts

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

29. Writers....

....take on a character.

He did not say these things as an elected official.

Writers are paid to be provocative.

[StevieM]

34. Reading this article makes it clear that there is plenty of difference between

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

[azurnoir]

37. what kind of candidate defends a child rapist by sexulaizing a the victim - a 12 yr old girl?

"she had exhibited "a tendency to seek out older men and engage in... fantasizing." She added, citing a child psychology expert that "children in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences and that adolescents with disorganized families, such as the complainant, are even more prone to such behavior."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-stands-by-her-defense-of-1975-rape-suspect/


.

[LadyHawkAZ]

86. Crickets from the fanclub on this, as per usual... n/t

[basselope]

43. Yeah, my kid had one of those

We had to pull him out K b/c of that teacher.

[bettyellen]

75. one of what?

[basselope]

150. " old bitch of a teacher"

The principal of the school told us how they were trying to force her to retire but were unable to do so.

[ieoeja]

44. Hippy punching and red baiting as Hillarians proudly march to rightwing tunes. n/t

[workinclasszero]

48. "Often "a child has an old bitch of a teacher (and there are many of them)"

Just damn.

[book_worm]

50. I think most teachers are pretty good and caring.

[bettyellen]

65. Yes teachers doing their best in an imperfect system- it sucks to see them blamed for something that

......they did not create. Typical though.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

57. God help us if the attitudes we had in a different time and at such a young age

will define what we can evolve to in another time, then there is no point in growing.

[bettyellen]

58. If Hillary is not allowed to evolve- why should Bernie?

Interesting how we apply a different set of standards.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

60. I know you arent talking to me

[bettyellen]

62. I'm just riffing on what you said. They are both imperfect candidates in my book.

[Vinca]

64. It's refreshing to know someone tells the truth every so often.

I quit nursing school (despite being at the top of the class and near the end of the course) because of a miserable old bitch of a nursing instructor who gave me nightmares. Now that I'm older and would feel more comfortable telling someone like that to go fuck themselves, I regret not finishing. But, I was young and had been through rough times and was in a very vulnerable place. That's what a bitch of a teacher can do. Good for Bernie. My experience, by the way, was in Vermont and probably around the time he wrote the piece.

[azurnoir]

67. my oldest daughter had one of those and ya know what?

years later I mentioned her by name (no expletives or descriptives, just her name) to another teacher and coordinator of my youngest daughters - oldest and youngest girls are 9 years apart, and the teacher said the words and not just an "old b^^ch" but an "old bigoted bi^^ch" keep in mind this was another elementary school teacher in the same school system and everyother school person in the room gave nods of agreement

sometimes such things albeit crude are accurate

[bettyellen]

69. So- that makes sexist slurs okay all of a sudden? WOW.

[azurnoir]

85. everyone in the room who worked for the school system were women 2 were AA and 1 was Native American

[bettyellen]

90. that doesn't excuse the slur.

[azurnoir]

99. did you know or observe the teacher in question? She had retired by the time this conversation

took place and I would not be surprised if at least a couple of the women hadn't experienced her in the classroom as their teacher-I went to one of meet the teacher nights when I met this women -when I walked up she was telling a Black mother who was saying her son needed to be in a more advanced reading group because he was bored and not being challenged by the provided materials that- she understood how mothers always wanted to think the best of their children one shouldn't expect too much from children of his 'background' and I could go on from there

[bettyellen]

101. would you defend the slur if it was racial- and tell me that an awful AA truly deserved it?

[azurnoir]

104. you seem to be the one smearing 2 AA women and a Native American women

for speaking their minds

[bettyellen]

107. smearing people for using sexist slurs? that is not how it works. they sullied themselves.

[azurnoir]

110. you seems to be screeching about it but go ahead smear PoC for speaking their minds

[bettyellen]

112. I'm super calm, but so sorry to get your blood boiling, LOL. Screeching my ass.

Never have, never will. I do not raise my voice ever.

[azurnoir]

114. I'm enjoying this watching a Hillary supporter try to gain points by bashing Hillary's firewall

both of them in fact women and PoC -please carry on with this

[bettyellen]

116. I will gladly, and calmly bash anyone who uses sexist slurs. Yes, indeed.

[azurnoir]

122. it's your call but a teacher who discourages learning based on a child's race

is open game IMO

[bettyellen]

123. no one is "open game" for slurs among progressives.

[azurnoir]

124. we're talking about what women AA teachers said about a white teacher who discouraged AA children

from learning

[bettyellen]

127. A slur is a slur is a slur. Two wrongs do not make a right. You can hate the teacher without

resorting to slurs. I didn't like it when they were used against Palin and Coulter either- none of us should be making excuses for slurs here.

[azurnoir]

146. so you compare 2 AA women to Palin and Coulter, because of what they said about a bigoted teacher?

what I find fascinating is that it's quite obvious you're more concerned about what and how something was said than in why it was said

and IMO that's enuff said

[bettyellen]

147. Nope- I compared Palin and Coulter to the bigoted teacher. Slurs are ALWAYS bad. ALWAYS.

There is no "why" you call someone a b*tch or a n*#$%r. It's not that hard to find words that are not bigoted.

[Depaysement]

68. Not interesting at all nt

[Nye Bevan]

71. As a white male American in 1969 he was no doubt "of his time".

I'm pretty sure that since then his position on this has evolved.

[Bluenorthwest]

74. How is that offensive comapred to Hillary's bulshit:

Your double standard is very double. Disgusting.

[bettyellen]

76. she tried to find something nice to say at a funeral. I hear she goes to weddings and events where

there actually people who she does not like too! It is called diplomacy. Part of the job for any POTUS.

[Bluenorthwest]

84. That was after the funeral, and it was not 'something nice to say' it was a vile misuse of

good people to serve horrible villains. She praised Ron and Nancy for doing the very exact things they are hated for not doing. That's called historical revisionism, it's called polishing the Republican turd, it's called denying the courage and dedication of the gay community under extraordinary pressure.

Saying Nancy dressed well and threw good parties is 'saying something nice'.
By the time the Reagans said a thing about it, tens of thousands had died in the US, between 30-40 thousand on the day he finally said 'AIDS' in public.

If Bernie had said that George W Bush was the hero of Hurricane Katrina, your cohort would have howled bloody murder and rightfully so. What she said was much, much worse and yet you excuse it while parsing out every fucking word Bernie has said for the last 50 years.

Double Standards are the building blocks of discrimination. You excuse horrible things.

[bettyellen]

87. It was in reference to the funeral. Your extreme outrage - and not towards Warren for

supporting the Reagans- is noted.

[Bluenorthwest]

93. I note that your comments are all personal smears of me. Interesting choice, to distract from

your own extreme apathy and disregard for the truth by claiming the gay man is too emotional.

You don't respond to any point I make or question I ask. You just insult me, repeatedly because you have nothing to actually say in defense of Hillary's outlandish and vile comments. Anyone reading this can see that you have no defense for what she said, you just don't give a fuck.

Reagan's staff thought AIDS was funny, they laughed about it all the time. Stand with that if you want to, Hillary, just don't ask for my vote while you do it.

[bettyellen]

96. Noting your outrage is a smear? If I look at your posts about Warren will I find outrage that

she supported the Regans at this time? Got a link to that- because I'm guessing this OOT outrage is selective.

Where is there an insult? Link to one.

[silvershadow]

77. This was so long ago, it was back when Hillary was a Goldwater girl. nt

[cwydro]

83. I've not said anything negative about Bernie.

However, the more I learn about him, the more I think he is not a very nice person.

[KPN]

88. Lol. That article was published

the same decade Hillary campained for Goldwater.

Pretty interesting, huh?

[bettyellen]

97. It is- they are both guilty of some thinking that looks archaic now.

[Kang Colby]

94. Sanders' policy ideas remind me of the work of a ...

child...one that smears feces all over the wall and thinks it's art.

[wyldwolf]

95. It's NOT ok to use old sources against Bernie. But it IS ok to do the same against Hillary

Bernie Logic

[Attorney in Texas]

102. Wasn't this from back when Hillary was a proud Goldwater Republican?

[bettyellen]

103. I think he was totally grown up at that point- not a teenager. A little old to still be resenting

women for just doing their jobs, no?

[Attorney in Texas]

106. So if this was 47 years ago, how long ago did Hillary advocate for discrimination against LGBT equal

marriage rights?

[bettyellen]

132. both Clintons advocated for incremental changes that have helped bring us to where we are now....

as far as LGBT rights go..... and they did so at greater political risk than SBS did up in Vermont. Whats more their administration was truly integrated- actions like that matter too. Easy to say anything, and hire all heater cis white men, amiright?

[Vattel]

125. Don't lie. He didn't express resentment women for doing their jobs.

He expressed resentment towards women who were mistreating children under their supervision.

[bettyellen]

130. Mistreating? No - boys who did not feel like being taught are not being mistreated by

teachers whose JOB it is to teach them. He was advocating som kind of bullshit free form education where little boys could do what they wanted. Teachers cannot permit that, and it is not their fault. Most school admins were men and created the curriculum.

[Vattel]

141. No, that was his other example. The "old bitch" reference was to cases where even if the child

wants to be taught they are harmed by teachers.

[bettyellen]

149. that i snot what the quote says?

[Vattel]

157. yes, it is

Often "a child has an old bitch of a teacher (and there are many of them) or pehaps (sic) he simply is not interested in school and would rather be doing other thing (sic),"

Notice the use of "or." So the one case is a case of a mean teacher, the other case is a case of a child who doesn't want to be in school.

[bettyellen]

158. How is that less sexist?

[Vattel]

159. nevermind

[bettyellen]

160. it isn't- it simply gives no reason for slurring many women educators so harshly.

[shireen]

105. No, not interesting.

It's ridiculous that you're making such a big deal about it. He was a 30 year old writer.

Those who knew Sanders in his younger years, like his unofficial biographer, Greg Guma, who met him in 1971, say the writings are a reflection of the era.

"We were all talking about this -- smashing monogamy, exploring psychology, sexuality and the politics of sexuality," said Guma, who also wrote for The Vermont Freeman, describing the publication as the "only alternative game in town then."

[bettyellen]

109. this is denigrating hard working women as b*tches. not exploring the politics of sexuality.

[shireen]

113. you're totally taking these writings out of context

to stir up trouble. Congratulations, it worked. Welcome to my ignore list.

[Armstead]

118. And if he were referring to a male professional he might have used a terms like "bastard"

[bettyellen]

121. asshole would be a better choice than a slur. BTW, what are female bastards called?

Honest question.

[Armstead]

108. I guess you're unfamiliar with the Clintons' colorful use of language in private

[bettyellen]

111. I'm real familiar with how much RW rumors are suddenly the truth for some here.

[Armstead]

115. I've seen examples of it...at least from Bill

When he was president CSPN did their set up a camera and let reality roll without any commentary or editingat an entrance of a public event where Clinton was appearing. ....Some poor aide made a mistake and Clinton dragged him to the side unaware of the camera, to read him the riot act....Some colorful words could be heard coming from Clinton's red face.

And not all the talk about Hillary's fearsome temper and use of language come from RW sources.

[bettyellen]

119. I don't have a problem with her having a "temper" or using dirty words....

Just as I don't have a problem w/ SBS's grouch man schtick.

[Ilsa]

128. I had one in 3rd grade.

I was new in that school, and she never missed an opportunity to make fun of me or put me down in front of my peers. She really was a nasty old bitch, too. She was the first adult I ever hated. Fuck her, she's dead.

[Jackilope]

131. From July 2nd, 2015 Bernie Sanders said ....

"God bless you." when I shared with him I was a teacher and concerned about toxic testing. He assured me that Congress would be addressing that.

I feel totally respected by him.

[bettyellen]

148. how did congress address this "toxic testing"? Bernie voted for it, so I guess he was lying to you?

https://gadflyonthewallblog.wordpress.com/2015/07/17/the-democrats-may-have-just-aligned-themselves-with-test-and-punish-we-are-doomed/

[Karmadillo]

135. How many innocents died in Iraq, Libya, and Honduras because of this comment?

[bettyellen]

139. got it- sexism is not enough of a problem- for YOU. your priorities should be everyones.

I happen to think devaluing the existence of half of our population is pretty fucked up too. but I can handle more than one issue.

[Karmadillo]

140. You're a poor mind reader, but if you're this worked up about a several decades old

comment, I hate to imagine the intensity of your anger towards a candidate whose ill-considered actions have led to the slaughter of thousands and thousands of innocents.

[bettyellen]

143. no, it is part of a pattern - of avoiding "identity politics" to attack RW assholes into the fold...

as he tried to avoid problems the AA had, and claim they were all class based until he learned just how offensive that is.
As far a "wedge issues" go- he is a neophyte whose big accomplishment is saying "me too".

[artislife]

137. In 1969,

You go into the great bonfire of silly posters.

[flobee1]

153. Why post this?

All you clinton aupporters are saying "its over, time to move on"
"Time to throw your support behind Clinton so the gop will be defeated"

So this is how you woo sanders supporters?
With 47 year old articles that show sanders in a bad light?

[bettyellen]

154. Sanders is very much in till the convention, apparently. I doubt Hillary will feel the need to go

here, but it is just as much an interesting part of his history- and more relevant to me - than the goldwater girl bullshit that was posted here hundreds of times.

[seabeyond]

156. Ya. He really doesn't like women, especially if there is any kind of authority. The B. Nt

[Maru Kitteh]

180. Vermont has not sent a single congressperson or senator to Washington in US history

Not one. "Splains a lot yes? He's got an issue with PoC AND women.

[Tiggeroshii]

162. Was this before or after he chained himself to a black woman

Protesting for civil rights?

[bettyellen]

166. His civil rights protests - in whatever form, were in college only so this would be years later.....

[BreakfastClub]

163. Bernie sucks. That is all. nt

[Starry Messenger]

164. One of the many reasons my union didn't endorse him.

[Live and Learn]

165. Ridiculous. The term has more than one meaning.

For instance, the heater was a bitch to fix. I had a bitchin time.

And back when Bernie used it, it was common to use in just the way he did.

By the way, he did not in anyway call anyone a bitch. If you don't understand the context, that is on you.

Definition of bitch

1
: the female of the dog or some other carnivorous mammals

2
a : a lewd or immoral woman b : a malicious, spiteful, or overbearing woman —sometimes used as a generalized term of abuse

3
: something that is extremely difficult, objectionable, or unpleasant

4
: complaint

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bitch

[bettyellen]

167. he was calling female teachers "b*tches" - why pretend he was talking about things? You don't even

believe that yourself. Such bullshit.

That word is not an acceptable way to refer to women, and his idea to blame them for mens' problems- archaic nonsense.

[Live and Learn]

169. Not at all. If that were the case he would have said so.

He said 'a bitch of a teacher' which completely changes the context. Comprehension is important.

[bettyellen]

178. Nope, it is sexist to refer to people as a b*tch. What a cheesy desperate bit of spin. LOL

[moriah]

168. No need to go there.

The "man and woman" essay I am willing to defend because "rape fantasy" is an oxymoron and BDSM is more than what a terrible series and movie portrayed it to be...

And because I have been in the position of having to judge whether a man's attempts at control over me in a relationship were unacceptable, and draw that line, partially based on the behavior of other men I've seen and known.

And while I deplore people using sexist language and attacking teachers, and it's certainly unbecoming, if opposition research comes up with more recent examples I might care.

[Eric J in MN]

170. I went to high school in the 1980s

...and the word "bitch" was common and acceptable at that time.

It didn't become unacceptable until the 1990s.

Ridiculous to criticize him for using the word in 1969. Oh no, he wasn't over 20 years ahead of his time.

[U4ikLefty]

171. Was Bernie bad? Shall we bring him to heel?

[nolawarlock]

173. And this is on CNN ...

Nobody had to trudge through the sludge of Right Wing media to find this? What a gem.

The more I learn about this guy, the more amazed I am that he's got such a fanbase.

[pat_k]

176. What bullshit. Article trots out and mischaracterizes that old essay too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1639194

[LexVegas]

182. He's still evolving on womens issues. nt

[bettyellen]

185. A woman who had no career except for writing crock of shit stuff like this would never be considered

fit to run for the senate, let alone the presidency. The slurs directed at women teachers for not coddling boys sounds like MRA shit.

[BootinUp]

183. The longer Bernie refuses to accept reality the more weird shit we are bound to learn nt

[CrawlingChaos]

186. Good GOD the desperation wafting off this thread

You realize this only makes Bernie look better, that you find it necessary to resort to this bullshit?

As a feminist, I am more than a little disgusted by the shameless attempts to misuse feminism to attack a man who is an obvious ally. It's an insult to all feminists and I'm beyond sick of it.

[bettyellen]

187. Obvious ally? What has he DONE besides cosign other peoples legislation? When has he ever stuck his

neck out? He does not even understand the state of reproductive rights in this country with his bullshit facile "fully support" statements pretending to be more liberal than Hillary. When he walks the walk, you let us know. Planned Parenthood says he TALKS a good game, and has done little. I agree.