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Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:11 PM May 2016

State Party Officials Reportedly Displeased with Clinton-DNC 'Laundering' Scheme

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/05/02/state-party-officials-reportedly-displeased-clinton-dnc-laundering-scheme

Monday, May 02, 2016
State Party Officials Reportedly Displeased with Clinton-DNC 'Laundering' Scheme
Sanders campaign lambastes Clinton for 'looting funds meant for the state parties to skirt fundraising limits on her presidential campaign.'
byDeirdre Fulton, staff writer

Hillary Clinton's use of a so-called joint fundraising committee, through which her presidential campaign, the Democratic National Committee (DNC), and 32 state party committees can solicit big-money donors, is under fire not just from rival Bernie Sanders, but also from state party officials and their allies, according to reporting by Politico.

Politico's deep dive into the latest Federal Election Commission filings, published Monday, shows that the Hillary Victory Fund "has transferred $3.8 million to the state parties, but almost all of that cash ($3.3 million, or 88 percent) was quickly transferred to the DNC, usually within a day or two, by the Clinton staffer who controls the committee."

The analysis continues:

By contrast, the victory fund has transferred $15.4 million to Clinton’s campaign and $5.7 million to the DNC, which will work closely with Clinton’s campaign if and when she becomes the party’s nominee. And most of the $23.3 million spent directly by the victory fund has gone towards expenses that appear to have directly benefited Clinton’s campaign, including $2.8 million for “salary and overhead” and $8.6 million for web advertising that mostly looks indistinguishable from Clinton campaign ads and that has helped Clinton build a network of small donors who will be critical in a general election expected to cost each side well in excess of $1 billion.

Unsurprisingly the arrangement is ruffling more than a few feathers, notably "among some participating state party officials and their allies," according to Politico reporters Kenneth P. Vogel and Isaac Arnsdorf. "They grumble privately that Clinton is merely using them to subsidize her own operation, while her allies overstate her support for their parties and knock Sanders for not doing enough to help the party."

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"Secretary Clinton has exploited the rules in ways that let her high-dollar donors like Alice Walton of Wal-Mart fame and the actor George Clooney and his super-rich Hollywood friends skirt legal limits on campaign contributions," Weaver said. "If Secretary Clinton can't raise the funds needed to run in a competitive primary without resorting to launderinga, how will she compete against Donald Trump in a general election?"
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State Party Officials Reportedly Displeased with Clinton-DNC 'Laundering' Scheme (Original Post) Karmadillo May 2016 OP
Praised for "raising money for downticket Dems" and then defended for keeping the money? arcane1 May 2016 #1
Exactly. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #4
Her fans don't care at all what she does. Her toughness overrides everything else. rhett o rick May 2016 #7
Kind of like Trump, raising funds for the Vets and then keeping it. pdsimdars May 2016 #16
Even her talk of a noble cause is nothing but a bag full of her typical lies. nc4bo May 2016 #33
"I don't believe I ever have" ALWAYS means "I have and will again" n/t arcane1 May 2016 #39
It has to be laundered. How else are they going to get the stench of the Wal*Mart Waltons off of it! TheBlackAdder May 2016 #38
The ever-reliable Commondreams... OilemFirchen May 2016 #2
Isn't it convenient that her friends don't report on her goings on. libdem4life May 2016 #5
So we should trust the always reliable Hillary who won't release her Wall Street transcripts. imagine2015 May 2016 #6
I've been a forty-year subscriber to The Nation. OilemFirchen May 2016 #8
And who do you think is "ever-reliable"? CNN, the Fox News for the Clinton Campaign? nm rhett o rick May 2016 #10
I'm wasting my 4,00th post on this? OilemFirchen May 2016 #12
WTFrack? "Y'know what happens when you ass?" I guess not. nm rhett o rick May 2016 #13
We just dismiss what we don't want to hear, but always trust Hillary. . . . pdsimdars May 2016 #17
Though I have absolutely no idea what that has to do with my post... OilemFirchen May 2016 #22
All that and still accusing Bernie of being dishonest and greedy...how Rovian. nt haikugal May 2016 #3
Standing in line for graft, then receiving none or crumbs is not good politics for the corrupt. Kip Humphrey May 2016 #9
Who is that Weaver guy who is complaining about Progressive dog May 2016 #11
Did you read the article? It would have answered your question. The Clinton Campaign are rhett o rick May 2016 #14
Actually I did read the article in Politico. Progressive dog May 2016 #15
Well, that's a lie. He did raise money for specific candidates, not for the DNC. pdsimdars May 2016 #19
He raised money (sort of) Progressive dog May 2016 #25
And you call yourself progressive. LOL. If you were really progressive you'd rhett o rick May 2016 #20
No I wouldn't, I want progress not Progressive dog May 2016 #24
LOL. You want progress for the Corporations. Tell me you don't support the TPP. rhett o rick May 2016 #28
Repeating your religious test Progressive dog May 2016 #29
Just as I thought. You aren't any more progressive than Richard Nixon. nm rhett o rick May 2016 #32
That is funny coming from someone who Progressive dog May 2016 #34
come on, they don't actually READ things, just free associate on the headlines. pdsimdars May 2016 #18
"They grumble privately that Clinton is merely using them to subsidize her own operation, while her DebDoo May 2016 #21
As a Bernie supporter and delegate I think it is ironic that jwirr May 2016 #26
This is what everybody i have spoke to about this thinks too. Baobab May 2016 #31
K&R nt Live and Learn May 2016 #23
You need a more reputable source. nt kstewart33 May 2016 #27
common dreams trying to kick up dirt where there is none. riversedge May 2016 #30
You don't think that another Clinton con isn't important? Hillary only works for her self-promotion. w4rma May 2016 #40
This claim deserves more investigation. aikoaiko May 2016 #35
This is what needs to be looked at, the reactions of those the money is intended for, and ... Babel_17 May 2016 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj May 2016 #37
This was mentioned before, and is well known. Xyzse May 2016 #41
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
1. Praised for "raising money for downticket Dems" and then defended for keeping the money?
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:13 PM
May 2016

Just when things can't seem to get any more crazy

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
7. Her fans don't care at all what she does. Her toughness overrides everything else.
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:33 PM
May 2016

Heaven help out troops and their families if she becomes president. Why do I think that Cheney is smiling at the though of a neocon winning the Presidency.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
33. Even her talk of a noble cause is nothing but a bag full of her typical lies.
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:54 PM
May 2016

Remember when she said:

CLINTON: You're asking me to say, "have I ever?" I don't believe I ever have. I don't believe I ever have. I don't believe I ever will. I am going to do the best I can to level with the American people.


Time for a refresher!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/18/hillary_clinton_wont_flatly_deny_she_will_never_lie_to_the_public.html

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
2. The ever-reliable Commondreams...
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:15 PM
May 2016

citing the ever-reliable Politico, citing the ever-reliable anonymous sources.

What's not to like?

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
5. Isn't it convenient that her friends don't report on her goings on.
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:24 PM
May 2016

That leaves those who are not so friendly to do the task.

Get real ... slamming political/progressive sites and media outlets that don't kow tow is getting OLD.

Back to Shoot the Messenger, rather than defend or explain the facts as written. Shoddy.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
6. So we should trust the always reliable Hillary who won't release her Wall Street transcripts.
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:26 PM
May 2016

Right.

I take it you don't like or approve of liberal websites like Common Dreams.

You must really hate The Nation and The Progressive!

What more conservative websites do you depend on for your news and information.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
8. I've been a forty-year subscriber to The Nation.
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:33 PM
May 2016

I've always been impressed by their ability to maintain a high level of integrity despite often contentious internecine battles. I find the Progressive to be fairly reliable, though not as readable as in the past.

Common Dreams is garbage hipster faux-journalism. That they cite Politico - and specifically a typical unsourced crapfest - is evidence.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
12. I'm wasting my 4,00th post on this?
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:43 PM
May 2016

Whatever.

See my post, submitted before your question.

Y'know what happens when you ass?

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
17. We just dismiss what we don't want to hear, but always trust Hillary. . . .
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:04 PM
May 2016




People ain't buying that BS

Progressive dog

(6,904 posts)
11. Who is that Weaver guy who is complaining about
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:43 PM
May 2016

the fundraising? I wonder if he's the same Weaver who works for Bernie. Probably not, since Bernie signed the same joint fundraising agreement that Hillary's campaign is using. That would be dishonest not to disclose that and we know Bernie's campaign always claims to be honest.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
14. Did you read the article? It would have answered your question. The Clinton Campaign are
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:51 PM
May 2016

misusing the system to launder money. But I'm sure you don't care as to Clinton "The Ends Justify the Means."

Progressive dog

(6,904 posts)
15. Actually I did read the article in Politico.
Mon May 2, 2016, 06:12 PM
May 2016

I noticed that Bernie raised no money for Democrats in the same period. Of course that would be expected.

Progressive dog

(6,904 posts)
25. He raised money (sort of)
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:52 PM
May 2016

for 3 candidates, one of whom is running in the Democratic primary for congress in my district. She is coming off an illustrious political career of first trying to get the Working Family party nomination to run against the Dem. Gov. Cuomo in the general. When that nomination went to Cuomo, she challenged him in a primary and lost. So maybe the other two are Democrats, but she sure isn't.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
20. And you call yourself progressive. LOL. If you were really progressive you'd
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:10 PM
May 2016

find yourself on the opposite side of Clinton.

Progressives don't support:

The corruption of Big Money in government via Citizens United.
Job killing "Free Trade" agreements
Fracking for oil company profits over people's water quality.
Unregulated domestic spying and no oversight for the NSA/CIA Security State.
Drone killing of terrorist "suspects" in foreign lands (100 innocents killed for each suspect)
Prisons for Profits
American Exceptionalism as an excuse for neocon imperialism.

Progressives do support:

Strengthening Social Security (e.g., raising the cap)
Helping college students afford college (telling them to get a job doesn't cut it).
Making major corps pay their fair share of taxes
Reducing the defense budget
Taking a hard stand against torture and indefinite detention.
The end of the militarization of our local police forces.
The legalization of marijuana especially for medical use. Denying medical marijuana to those that need it is cruel.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
28. LOL. You want progress for the Corporations. Tell me you don't support the TPP.
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:56 PM
May 2016

or fracking or the Patriot Act or denying medical marijuana to those suffering.

Speaking of phony slogans, name some progressive issues you support.

Progressive dog

(6,904 posts)
29. Repeating your religious test
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:03 PM
May 2016

doesn't make it any less phony.
If I knew what you believed to be progressive, I still wouldn't bother feeding your problem of thinking outside of slogans.

DebDoo

(319 posts)
21. "They grumble privately that Clinton is merely using them to subsidize her own operation, while her
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:17 PM
May 2016

"They grumble privately that Clinton is merely using them to subsidize her own operation, while her allies overstate her support for their parties and knock Sanders for not doing enough to help the party."

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
26. As a Bernie supporter and delegate I think it is ironic that
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:54 PM
May 2016

first they make our votes irrelevant by giving huge support to Hillary through these laundered donations and then they say we are not doing enough to support the party. The party quit helping my candidate the day they entered into this agreement.

And they are ignoring that the Bernie supporters are supporting party candidates outside the DNC system. We even have a pac for that purpose.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
31. This is what everybody i have spoke to about this thinks too.
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:28 PM
May 2016

>As a Bernie supporter and delegate I think it is ironic that
>first they make our votes irrelevant by giving huge support to Hillary through these laundered donations and then they say we are not >doing enough to support the party. The party quit helping my candidate the day they entered into this agreement.

>And they are ignoring that the Bernie supporters are supporting party candidates outside the DNC system. We even have a pac for that purpose.

Its getting old, this double standard.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
40. You don't think that another Clinton con isn't important? Hillary only works for her self-promotion.
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:08 PM
May 2016

And within the Democratic Party, the Clintons sabotage Democrats.

aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
35. This claim deserves more investigation.
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:44 AM
May 2016


We have been down the road before.

Of course this is all too believable of the HRC campaign.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
36. This is what needs to be looked at, the reactions of those the money is intended for, and ...
Tue May 3, 2016, 10:47 AM
May 2016

the reactions of the donors. Arguably, the donors opinions should count the most. But it's good to hear from a representative of a state party that is affected by how the money gets cut up.

Edit: I never really thought much of campaign finance law, I saw it in terms of the claim that Secretary Clinton, rather than Sanders, has been working hard for others. So that too is interesting, that some are saying the law might have been violated.

Response to Karmadillo (Original post)

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
41. This was mentioned before, and is well known.
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:22 PM
May 2016

Washington Post has discussed this before, but there has been no actual investigation.

I know I have cited this issue quite a few times before.

Is there an Investigation to this now?

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