Dumbass Debbie Says Independents Not Welcome In Democratic Elections

[berni_mccoy]

Literally has to be one of the dumbest political statements of the century. Sure let's leave independents out and they can run Candidates like Bernie Sanders in a General Election against one of the most hated candidates to run in history.

Who do you think would win more votes in the General Election then? I'm starting to think with people running the party like her that Bernie should run as an independent in the GE.

[djean111]

2. Remember, under Debbie DINO's watch - Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12

12 governors, 69 House seats, and 13 Senate seats.

Inept at best. And where does all the money go?

Anyway, after August, grandson and I will be "unaffiliated". From any Party; he will still be my grandson.

[scscholar]

26. The voters are at fault for that

Not her.

[frylock]

45. ..

[Scuba]

50. Is that what she told you? I know she's tried to blame the voters for her failures.

But it's on her. She's either terrible at her job or really good at it, depending on who she's actually working for.

Debbie's Record

Lost a boatload of House seats, the Senate, 12 governorships and over 900 state seats while Chair of the DNC
Supported Republicans over Democrats in two Florida districts
Conceded entire districts to the Louis Gohmerts and Joni Ernsts of this world by abandoning the 50-state strategy
Supported a Republican retread for the Florida Democratic Party Gubernatorial candidate (he lost to Rick Scott, again)
Undermined President Obama's treaty with Iran
Shilled for the private prison industry
Shilled for the booze industry
Shilled for the payday loan industry
Blamed the voters for her failures


But it's not her fault that voters don't like corpo-Dems.

[scscholar]

56. The payday loan industry...

part is the most troubling.

[Scuba]

61. Really? Worse than all those losses? Wow.

[silvershadow]

133. +1

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

58. Those voters are so unworthy of the Democratic Party.

Perhaps they will humbly prove themselves this time and vote for the party that shows them so much patience.

[dchill]

77. What? She gives us candidates we are, at best, indifferent to...

And gives Republicans turnout motive. That's on her, not us.

[hollysmom]

126. really, look at what happened when a progressive tired to run for some of these offices, she had the

DNC only support blue dogs. Liberal voters don't come out for blue dogs.

It lands on her door step, Iso hope she loses her election

She is third way or no way and under her it has been mostly no way.

[pugetres]

27. There is no money.

There is only the sucking sound of DNC debt. The way Lil' Debbie has been running things, there will never be enough money to win back all that we've lost since she took rein (reign?).

[dsc]

43. No, not even close to true

she wasn't the chair in 2010, Tim Kaine was, and much of what you listed was lost in 2010.

[Sheepshank]

105. You attempt to create a false cause and effect narrative

I think they lost seats because of rising sea levels.

[Jitter65]

129. It's called "Democratic Primary" for a reason. nt

[jwirr]

3. Do Independents get to vote in her Florida district? And I

am beginning to understand exactly why we have lost so many Democratic offices since 2010.

[onenote]

17. are you under the impression that republican nominating process is always open to independents?

That, of course, isn't the case. So if not allowing independents to select the party's nominee or set the party's policies is what you think has hurt Democratic candidates you might work on a better explanation.

[jwirr]

18. Are you under the impression that we are still a majority

party? You are putting "party" ahead of what is good for the nation/world. I want to know who is the best candidate to run for the voters who usually vote for Democratic candidates (Ds, Ind. and smaller parties) not just which candidate the dwindling party wants.

You need to face reality because when this primary is over the number of Indies is going to go even higher. A lot of people who are recognizing what is going on in our own party will be switching parties. And it will be all the fault of those who insist that suppressing democracy is just fine.

BTW in our caucus in MN everyone who wanted to support the candidates was allowed to vote in the caucus. Didn't seem to hurt us.

[onenote]

19. What is so wrong with expecting those who want a say in who is a party's standard-bearer

to be a member of the party?

There is a reason that, as a general rule, unions don't let non-union members vote in union elections. You might think that is causing unions to lose membership. But if non-union members could vote in union elections, union membership would drop even more.

[jwirr]

24. I think you are talking oranges and apples. What is wrong

with letting party members to determine everything? Because our party at the moment is run very much by the establishment that does everything in their power to keep control. That is a description of an oligarchy not a democracy.

I am a delegate for Bernie to our "party" and my vote is absolutely irrelevant due to some decisions made by the establishment. I am talking about the 33 State Democratic Party deal with Hillary's Victory Fund and the DNC before even one vote was counted.

You are worried that some independents might actually get to show us who they would vote for and support while I am worried about party establishment (reg. Ds.) making the whole election into a farce. I am in favor of democracy over rule by the few.

[onenote]

66. By their express terms, the fundraising deals struck by clinton and the state parties

were non-exclusive. Meaning that nothing prevents/prevented Sanders from reaching the same deals. And in fact, Sanders did enter into a joint fundraising arrangement with the DNC in November.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/259298-sanders-dnc-strike-fundraising-deal

So exactly what is the problem?

[Algernon Moncrieff]

92. OK, I can give you three good options

1) Become a party leader. I think if you really look into it, you'll find getting involved in party leadership at the local level isn't that difficult. It's certainly not oligarchy.

2) Join a party that more closely aligns with your beliefs. The Greens, Peace & Freedom -- they are all out there.

3) Remain independent.

I read statements like "I am a delegate for Bernie to our "party" and my vote is absolutely irrelevant due to some decisions made by the establishment..." and I have to shake my head. I understand your frustration, and I know you to be an intelligent poster. However, I need to ask this: You do realize that Senator Sanders is losing, right? See this post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511879227

According to Real Clear Politics (and they have no reason to lie), Hillary Clinton has 3,154,991 more voters than Bernie Sanders. Hillary has 12,150,597 while Senator Sanders has 8,995,606 votes.

Sanders has won 17 states. 10 states remain undecided. Hillary has won 23 states. Included among Hillary's states are New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, and Texas.

Hillary leads in pledged delegates 1645 to 1318. She leads in superdelegates 520 to 39. She leads in total delegates 2165 to 1357.

It's not undemocratic. Under the rules that both sides are forced to play by, Hillary Clinton is beating Bernie Sanders.

You can talk about victory funds and DWS and whatever else, but the bottom line is that Hillary is getting more votes, winning more states, winning bigger states, and winning more pledged delegates. It's 57-58% overall to 42-43% overall. And these are the same rules that she had to abide when she lost to Barack Obama in 2008.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

91. They want to have it both ways

They don't want to sink to the level of actually having to join a party, but they want a say in who the party choses as a candidate.

[corkhead]

124. Let me know when someone besides the D or R nominee can get elected

in the mean time, it's my country too and I should have a say about who runs the country.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

125. Then join a party

It's not hard, not costly, and gives you say

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

60. Yay! The two partys are the same in

disenfranchising voters, but then expects them to vote in the GE.

What fucking farce.

[djean111]

29. Not in the primary. But yes, in the GE.

She is being primaried. Canovas. I am hoping that Debbie's control of the party is not something he cannot overcome.

[jwirr]

36. I am donating to him also. And besides being opposed to

DWS he seems to be a real progressive. A good man.

[RKP5637]

59. Yep, he's a very good man and what he says is best for this country. DNC/DWS/DLC are clueless

and only interested in $$$$$'s. They don't get it that the majority of America is totally fed up with the establishments!

[passiveporcupine]

86. We should all make an effort to donate to him now

...because his knocking Debbie off her seat of power is just about as important as defeating a republican.

Just think where Bernie might be right now, if DWS was not running the DNC.

[jwirr]

107. Exactly.

[TM99]

4. Fine by us.

Y'all don't need us then in the fall or in the 2018 mid terms.

Have fun!

[berni_mccoy]

7. Whoosh right over your little head.

[TM99]

13. How so?

[hellofromreddit]

100. Looks like a friendly fire incident.

[TM99]

123. Ah, gotcha, he replied

to the wrong person, me.

[MissDeeds]

12. Good to know we're not needed

I can save my money and my down ticket votes.

Whew!

[calguy]

30. That's right. We don't NEED you

But you're still welcome to vote against Trump by voting Democrat. But if you decide to keep all you marbles and pout at home, don't worry. We can beat Trump with or without your vote. Now take your self- righteous attitude and your precious marbles somewhere else to bitch about reality.

[TM99]

39. Such a perfect example of the smug arrogance

of the Clinton party loyalists. Thank you for all you do to GOTV. Keep it up chuckles!

[MissDeeds]

41. You are a nasty piece of work aren't you?

Who the hell said I was not going to vote?

[rdking647]

132. a prime example of why independs can vote in dem primaries

your admitting that if the primary contender you like doesnt win you wont vote for the winner.

so why should the dems let yo have a say in who that winner will be?

should non union members get a say in union elections?

[Renew Deal]

35. She never said that

I watched. The OP made it up.

[w4rma]

63. DNC chairwoman: If up to me, I’d exclude independents from Dem primaries

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/278469-dnc-chairwoman-if-up-to-me-id-exclude-independents-from

[Renew Deal]

65. Closer, but she didn't say that either

[seabeyond]

5. Ya, go figure. The person in charge of the Democratic Party, running the Democratic primary,

feels Democratics should elect our Democratic candidate.

Way out there, I hear ya.

[berni_mccoy]

9. Blind as blind can be

[seabeyond]

11. No. You just choose to make that statement to dismiss Democrats expecting Democrats to

elect their candidate.

[kcdoug1]

6. which is why

the DNC is not welcome to my cash, time or interest.

[HooptieWagon]

8. Fine. This Democrat is switching to NPA.

If Debbie Downer wants to make the Democratic Party for Wall St oligarchs only, I have no problem walking away and voting for a different candidate.

[Ferd Berfel]

10. If she s a republican plant or

a Manchurian candidate, she couldn't have been more effective at destroying the Democratic Party

[onenote]

14. That would be "Democratic Party" elections

Should non-union members be allowed to vote for union officials or should union officials and policy be set by actual union members?

We have a process built around political parties. Its' been around a long time. In fact, it is guaranteed by the Constitution's guarantee of right of association -- I can choose to form a political party and not allow those who won't commit to being a member of the party to remain outside the party.

Political parties in this country select nominee to be standard bearer for the party. The Democrats pick someone to represent the Democratic Party, the Republicans pick someone to represent them, third parties pick their nominees. And those people who don't want to join a party may, by so doing, lose the opportunity to have a say in the decisions of the party. However, independents can run themselves without joining a party, so they have an opportunity to self-select their own nominee if they want.

Once the nominees are chosen by the various parties (and independents do what it takes to get on the ballot), then these nominees set about, with the support of their respective party organizations (or without an organization if an independent) to convince not only members of their own party, but members of other parties, and unaffiliated voters to vote for their candidate to represent not merely the party that nominated them, but the country as a whole.

I happen to live in a state, Virginia, that doesn't even have party registration, and I find it rather absurd. Without question, voters who, if they had to affiliate with a party, would do so, choose sometimes to vote in the nominating process of a party they wouldn't join, just to make mischief. It makes as much sense to me as allowing non-union members to have a say in the selection of union officials and the setting of union policy. Want to have a say? Join the union. Want to have a say? Join the party.

[Hoyt]

28. Exactly. Even this simpleton gets that.

[TM99]

40. And we independents are challenging this in the courts

and with legislation.

We have organized in Arizona, and pending legislation will require the two parties to cover all primary election costs.

Be careful what you wish for because y'all are going to get. When your closed little club is less than 20% of the voting electorate, don't come crying to us leftist independents for our votes.

[dsc]

44. should non union members get to vote in union elections, yes or no

I notice you didn't even remotely address the question.

[TM99]

49. Do unions take public funds and

tax payers money?

No.

There answered. Next strawman?

[dsc]

99. public service unions often hold their elections

in public buildings, during work hours, and use the public's electricity, etc. So they take funds to run their election in the same way as the parties to.

[TM99]

122. Not the same and you know it.

Public servants are required to join unions and pay dues. Parties take far more than any scenario you could present here. Public servants are also paid by tax-payer dollars as well.

My taxes should not go to pay DWS as the DNC if it is a now a private club. Period.

[dlwickham]

47. if you want to help select our candidates

join our party

seems pretty simple to me

[TeamPooka]

53. If I own stock in Pepsi, or no stock at all, Coke doesn't let me vote at their shareholders meeting.

Look if people want to be independent then they shouldn't be complaining that they can't have a say in a political party's business or slate.
Independence, like elections themselves, has consequences.
They want to change a party?
Get involved and take it over like the Tea Party did to the GOP.
Get involved or get out of the way.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

67. What a wonderful corporate spin on the right to vote.

[TeamPooka]

85. You have a right to vote in any general election. Nice straw man argument with a side of deflection.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

103. We the people have a right to vote. Period.

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Also, there is no constitutional amendment that specifies a two party system, or that they have the right to disenfranchise the voting population.

Nice try. If the parties use tax-payer funded public polling places then they are subhect to fair use, and should not be allowed to discriminate based on party affiliation...or lack thereof. I live in Massachusetts and have that right.

The two parties, or any party that uses exclusionary tactics, are more than welcome to pay for all of their own polling stations.

Perhaps they could hold their events at their local financial institution....

[TeamPooka]

115. Fair use: All political parties are allowed use of taxpayer funded locations for their primaries. nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

116. But shouldn't be allowed to pull discriminatory BS

to disenfranchise independent voters.

Change will come, or good luck with discrimination.

[jack_krass]

89. Its a two way street though..

If Democratic candidates want votes from independents in General elections, they may have to give them some say-so in the process of choosing candidates. Exactly what form this takes, or happens at all, is TBD.

[TeamPooka]

95. If they wanted a say they can register as a Democrat. The old saying about wanting their cake and to

eat it too applies accurately here.
Independence has consequences.

[strategery blunder]

87. If you want to have the state finance your primaries

let the independents who pay the taxes to fund those primaries vote in them.

If you want closed primaries, let the party pay for them.

And we haven't even reached the issue of mysterious party registration changes not initiated by the voter yet.

[Sheepshank]

108. going to court? Of course, another Trump angle adopted by Bernie Campaign & supporters

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. Ok, tell me, are Union elections held using tax dollars?

nope, so if you are willing to pay for ALL OF THEM, and not use ANY GOVERNMENT RESOURCES, by all means, smoke filled rooms, with entrail readings if you want to. I don't care, but don't make me pay for it, and please do not call it democratic ok.

So you want private "elections" closed to the reset of us, not for a Union president, or a class president, but the President of the United States, don't pretend they are open and democratic. For all I care, you can have a dedazo and stop pretending that we are actually even letting the little people in the party pretend to vote.

You pay for them go for it.

[onenote]

68. since your tax dollars help pay for both the repub and democratic primaries

I guess you think you should have a right to vote in both primaries, right?

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. I believe that since both parties like to close them

and by the way I include the greens and a few others, they should pay for them on their own dime.

It is a private organization. Judges have said such. I don't want to pay for it. capiche?

For the record, since yes, they are paid by tax dollars and use my fucking voting equipment and voting facilities, then yes, all of them should be open. You want to have them private. I agree with you. It is your right. Pay for them. ALL OF THEM. DO NOT hold the taxpayer with that liability.

And if that bankrups every American party, so sad... I really do not care. But enough of having your private affairs on the public teat.

[onenote]

75. Just so we're clear, if primaries are taxpayer funded, you want to are able to vote two, three, four

times -- as many primaries as there are?

(I understand that your preference is that primaries not be tax-payer funded but I'm just trying to understand how you believe they should be conducted if they are publicly funded).

[nadinbrzezinski]

79. If I pay for them, I should be able to participate in whichever primary

I chose to participate on election day. So if I chose to pay for the Martian Party of the Chaos Terrain, as long as I fund that primary, it should be open. The moment any party decides to close primaries, they decouple from the state election day, in California that be the first Tuesday in June.

There is more, to really be democratic about this, and I mean with a small d. the party affiliation should no longer be handled by any state. The SOS should be a civil service job, and should be non partisan. You handle the party rolls, not me. Meaning the day of the primary, any party that has open primaries can run on my state funded gear and voters request the appropriate ballot, like oh Michigan does. (F0r that matter CA for the parties that hold modified open primaries)

That would force parties to actually compete for more than just a smaller and smaller group of voters, And this should apply to all parties. Meaning in the State of CA right now, neither the Greens or the Republicans should be on the public teat.

But I fully agree, it is your right to close every one of them. It is my right to demand I don't pay for it.

[onenote]

80. And if I don't pay taxes -- I'm 18 and a student and have no income

should I not be able to vote?

If I pay more taxes than you should I get to vote more often?

Arguments attacking public funding when it comes to elections are not usually found around here.

[nadinbrzezinski]

83. Well some of us have made them to members of the legislature

and my state does have in the constitution something about taxes given as gifts to private entities, That is a no-no, and you have been arguing that primaries are not the GE, We agree, it is your right to organize as a private entity. It is my right to demand the state follow the state constitution. Parties (They are state parties after all) want to play that game, we are going to play those games as well.

You really should not start with these games, because they might come and byte you. The parties have argued successfully that this is a private function. Well the public should not pay for it. And ONLY the federal election (which is not federal) in November, is in the Federal constitution. So I urge the democrats in every state to close them down. I know what I will argue with my legislature. Just as I don't want to give any state money to the Chargers. They are as private as a political party.

[onenote]

84. Public financing of campaigns

is something most Democrats support. But how would you justify having the public pay for the campaign advertising etc. of a the representative of a private organization (as opposed to having public funds pay for the cost of conducting the actual election -- i.e., setting up polling places, paying polls workers, etc etc).

[nadinbrzezinski]

88. Yes, but not paying for a *PRIVATE FUNCTION*

the campaign is quite separate from the state caucus, (which is paid by some state parities.) or the state primary. They are not the same. And you conflating them is nice, Actually CA has a precedent for this. Your party and the Rs were told, after the state ran the experiment of actually paying for much earlier primaries in 2000 and 2004, and finding out how expensive they were, that both state parties could rent the equipment from the state, and the polling places, but the two parties needed to pay for it. Why do you think they are held in June?

So do not even try to argue that. The party is running a private function protected by freedom of association not different from a school club, a hunting club, or the aforementioned chargers, at the corporate level. It is you guys that keep making that argument. We agree. You can run your election, for all I care you could go back to closed clocked smoked filled rooms, there is plenty of precedent for that as well.

And functionally it be best if they are all closed or all open. The result would be far more transparent. I suspect a lot of caucuses are in your future. They are much cheaper to run. So we urge you, go for it.

[jillan]

15. We wouldn't want to grow the tent, would we? She is setting us up for failure...just like she did in

the midterms.

DWS has hurt the democratic party.

[onenote]

20. The tent is wide open for anyone who wants to become a member of the party.

And if you don't want to join the party, you can still vote for the party's nominee or for a third party candidate or not vote at all -- just as would be the case if you were a member of the party.

[mooseprime]

23. this may be the understatement of the century

and it's still very early in the century

[Yurovsky]

42. She's an idiot, and has bankrupted the party...

I wonder if it's her total incompetence or maybe HRC's people siphoning off cash for her campaign, the CGI, & the Clinton Library.

Either way, the results have been devastating. How many federal, state, & local Dems have gone down to defeat on her watch? Will DWS ever be held accountable?

[tokenlib]

16. 29% of registered voters and shrinking??

Way to go Debbie!

[edgineered]

21. They can't just let anyone join

Here's Ralph and Ed in their Raccoon Lodge garb going to a convention!

And just like the big D, they're going in the wrong direction.

[onenote]

69. Actually they will let anyone join. The question is why those who refuse to join

should have the same input as those who do join.

[edgineered]

82. Sounds like some cult-like church -

privacy in the voting booth, but don't dare speak against the latest interpretation of the gospel.

[Jon Ace]

22. "The Democratic Party left me." n/t

[dlwickham]

48. I see that quote posted on various sites by republicans

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

70. Sure you do...

[dlwickham]

118. I was on one site and the resident right wing christian conservative liked to use it a lot

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

119. Uhuh...

[nadinbrzezinski]

81. You are correct, because it has happend to both parties

I am way to the left of the D party, I used to be middle of the road. You figure it out. I already did

[felix_numinous]

25. Third Way supporters must be some kind of massive party

outnumbering liberals, independents, greens, democratic socialists, in order that they have SO MUCH CONFIDENCE they are going to win all by themselves. They are a minority on DU, and we are supposed to trust the hackable machines results purely on faith.

[sadoldgirl]

32. It will be an interesting GE competition

this year to see which party is better in cheating.

[GulfCoast66]

74. They outnumber one group for sure...

Bernie supporters. At the end of the day Clinton is winning in actual votes.

[AgingAmerican]

31. Voter supression

[Andy823]

33. I am pretty sure

That if independents were coming out for Hillary more than Bernie you and the others here would be taking the other stance to this, and demanding that they NOT be allowed to vote in the primary.

Kind of the same way super delegates were really bad earlier in the primaries, acceding to Bernie and crew, but now Bernie and his crew think they can steal them away from Hillary and make him the nominee.

[sadoldgirl]

37. Somewhat incorrect: We had a closed

caucus, where only Dems could vote, and
Bernie won big.

If you want only Dems to vote, then the party,
not the taxes should pay for it.

[Renew Deal]

34. It's so dumb that she never said that

You made it up.

[Progressive dog]

38. Bernie is losing despite the "independents"

voting for him. DWS is correct, people who dislike Democrats shouldn't vote in Democratic primaries. If Bernie hadn't run, the Democrats would have saved a lot of money on primaries. If the primaries were closed and Bernie had still run, he would just be a lot farther behind and complaining more about the unfairness of him not winning.
If Bernie runs in the GE, I doubt he'll do as well as Perot did. The novelty of having a candidate that can't explain how to do the things he's campaigning to do will wear off quickly. At least Perot was an actual outsider, unlike Bernie who has been in politics his whole life.

[frylock]

46. Sorry you weren't invited to the wedding, but be sure and send a gift.

[misterhighwasted]

51. "the most hated candidate" is whipping Sanders by 3 million + votes.

"Most hated"? Hardly. The most admired woman in the world year aftet year.
You must mean "most hated" by the RW, the Koch purchased Teaparty, and the fringe.
But then, those groups hate her for a reason.
They lose when Hillary wins.

Should really clarify who it is that "mostly hates her".
Or we could just contunue believing KKKarl Rove's word.

3 million more votes that Bernie.

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. I am with her

as long as Democrats pay for their private affairs, decouple from the state and stop pretending these are democratic elections. I mean it, they want closed elections, fine... you democratic party pay for them.

At that point I will not care if the process involves divination either.

And the party will continue to become smaller and all that, but hey... who the hell cares at that point? I know I won't...

[WhiteTara]

54. This was in regards to the Democratic PRIMARIES

which are for Democrats.

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. And I fully agree

the State of California should not give money to any private organization holding closed primaries. And that goes for every other state. SO the DNC should foot what 300 million to fund all these? On the bright side you do not get to pretend they are democratic, or open, and if you chose to select your nominee by magical divination, by all means. I hear smoke filled rooms will be popular as well.

[kevink077]

57. She has got to go...

Her payday loan support was the final straw for me. That was unforgivable. She is no good and needs to lose in the primary.

[Livluvgrow]

62. No public funds then

We get the taxation yet you gt to pick the representation. Yeah forget that. What you do when this b.s shennanigan is up. What would it cost you to run yoiur own damn closed primary 100 o 200 mill. MA be Hillary will pay the tab with all her ill gotten gains from her buddy Loyd

[onenote]

71. Cool. Since everyone's tax dollars are used by both parties primaries

then everyone gets to vote in all the primaries, right?

[Vote2016]

72. Will not contribute to DNC until she's gone. There are a dozen Republicans I'd support over her

[GulfCoast66]

76. Your true colors

Shining through👌

[Scurrilous]

94. I live a few miles south of her district in Republican Hell.

And I'd take her over the Diaz-Balart clown I'm stuck with any day. Unlike you, I don't support republican trash.

[Matt_in_STL]

113. DWS has supported that Republican trash against actual Dems though

Why do you think you still have Diaz-Balart? She flatly refused to support the Dem opponent.

[Buzz Clik]

78. Wait. Bernie fans don't like Wasserman? Oh, dear! Oh, my!

[Algernon Moncrieff]

90. If you chose to be independent, you chose not to join a party

Primaries are partisan affairs. If you want to participate, join a party. If not, see you at the GE.

[CBHagman]

93. The original post violates terms of service and should have been taken down.

It actually violates the TOS in several regards, but the following one especially.

Winning elections is important — therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground.

In any event, it's done nothing to earn those 28 recommendations.

[Warren DeMontague]

96. This is the woman who worked with Sheldon Adelson to put medical marijuana users in prison.

[Betty Karlson]

97. Well it's either the 40% of voters who identify as independent, or the DINOs

Clearly we can't have both in the party.

Third Way is a dead end. Bernie however leads us on the high road. I know where I am going.

[pat_k]

98. She's telling 36 states: "Your doing it wrong."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511885358

[djean111]

101. The DNC needs to choose - looks like the choices are "get into the big tent, STFU, do as you are

told, and give us money" or "Get the fuck out of the tent".

Here's the thing - I can understand why letting Independents help choose a candidate is galling. That may have been a useful stance when a LOT more people were either Democrat or Republican. But registered Democrats are, what? 31% of voters? Independents are 38%? If I were the DNC, I would take into consideration who the Independents would vote for, not assume they have no other choice but to vote for the Democrat they are served. If Hillary is nominated and loses the GE, it is totally on the heads of the DNC. No one else. The Democrats have been losing registration for years. And is most certainly not up to Bernie Sanders and his supporters to shore them up. Or kowtow to them. The Democrats are both fading away and rebuilding as Third Way corporate GOP light. Surely they did not expect we would all go along for that ride. I won't.

[Jester Messiah]

102. Heckuva job Debbie.

She is symbolic of everything wrong with the party machine. An idiot sycophant who has ingratiated herself with the right people and is riding the gravy train, providing nothing of value to the actual people but embedded so far as to be immovable within the administrative structure.

[Joob]

104. Get em out. Geeet em out!

lol I dunno why but reminds me of Trump talking about protesters at his rally.

[Sheepshank]

106. I agree for the Primaries

Dems should be able to chose Dem nominees without influence of outside parties (indies, Socialists or Republicans etc) that may have an agenda other than picking the most favored DEM candidate.

Candidates can chose to affiliate with a party or not...and in fact, hundreds of candidates, do just that. Voters may participate in a "club" and play by club rules, or go vote elsewhere.

http://www.politics1.com/p2016.htm
DEMOCRATIC PARTY:

Hillary Clinton
Former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (New York)
Campaign Site: HillaryClinton.com
Facebook: www.facebook.com/HillaryClinton
Twitter: www.twitter.com/HillaryClinton

Bernie Sanders
US Senator Bernie Sanders (Vermont)
Campaign Site: BernieSanders.com
Government Site: Office of US Senator Bernie Sanders
Facebook: www.facebook.com/BernieSanders
Twitter: www.twitter.com/SenSanders

REPUBLICAN PARTY:

Ted Cruz
US Senator Ted Cruz (Texas)
Campaign Site: TedCruz.org
Government Site: Office of US Senator Ted Cruz
Facebook: www.facebook.com/TedCruzPage
Twitter: www.twitter.com/TedCruz

John Kasich
Governor John Kasich (Ohio)
Campaign Site: JohnKasich.com
Government Site: Office of Governor John Kasich
Facebook: www.facebook.com/JohnRKasich
Twitter: www.twitter.com/JohnKasich

Donald Trump
Businessman Donald J. Trump (New York)
Campaign Site: DonaldJTrump.com
Facebook: www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump
Twitter: www.twitter.com/RealDonaldTrump

THIRD PARTY and
INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES:
(Note: Parties with ballot status in at least one state -- based on 2012 ballot status -- listed first, then all others under the INDEPENDENT & WRITE-IN CANDIDATES header).

AMERICA'S PARTY / AMERICAN INDEPENDENT PARTY:

Wiley Drake (California)
Arthur Harris (Maryland)
Jim Hedges (Prohibition-Pennsylvania)
Tom Hoefling (Iowa)
J.R. Myers (Alaska)
Robert Ornelas (California)
Alan Spears (California)
Ron Wallace (Illinois)
AMERICAN FREEDOM PARTY:

Bob WhitakerTom Bowie
Bob Whitaker (South Carolina)
Presidential Nominee

Tom Bowie (Maryland)
Vice Presidential Nominee

CONSTITUTION PARTY:

Darrell CastleScott Bradley
Darrell Castle (Tennessee)
Presidential Nominee

Scott Bradley (Utah)
Vice Presidential Nominee

GREEN PARTY:

Willita Bush (Missouri)
Darryl Cherney (California)
Bill Kreml (Illinois)
Kent Mesplay (California)
Robert Milnes (New Jersey)
Sedinam Kinamo Christin Moyowasifza-Curry (California)
Justin Robert Murphy (Indiana)
Rhett Smith (Texas)
Dr. Jill Stein (Massachusetts)
Daniel White (Georgia)

INDEPENDENT AMERICAN PARTY:

Farley AndersonNOT YET NAMED
Farley Anderson (Utah)
Presidential Nominee

NOT YET NAMED
Vice Presidential Nominee

LIBERTARIAN PARTY:

Thomas "P" Clements (Louisiana)
Marc Feldman (Ohio)
Mark Stewart Greenstein (California)
Former Governor Gary Johnson (New Mexico)
John McAfee (Tennessee)
Darryl Perry (Texas)
Austin Peterson (Missouri)
Derrick Reid (California)
Jack Robinson Jr. (South Carolina)
Rhett Smith (Texas)
Shawna Sterling (Kentucky)
Joy Waymire (California)
Heidi Zeman (Nevada)
PARTY OF SOCIALISM AND LIBERATION (PSL):

Gloria LaRiva Eugene Puryear
Gloria LaRiva (California)
Presidential Nominee

Eugene Puryear (District of Columbia)
Vice Presidential Nominee

PEACE & FREEDOM PARTY:

Lynn Kahn (Independent-Maryland)
Gloria LaRiva (PSL-California)
Monica Moorehead (Workers World-New York)

PROHIBITION PARTY:

Jim Hedges Bill Bayes
Former Township Tax Assessor Jim Hedges (Pennsylvania)
Presidential Nominee

Bill Bayes (Mississippi)
Vice Presidential Nominee

REFORM PARTY USA:

Ed Chlapowski (Texas)
Ken Cross (Arkansas)
Lynn Kahn (Independent-Maryland)

SOCIALIST PARTY USA:

Mimi Soltysik Angela Walker
Emidio "Mimi" Soltysik (California)
Presidential Nominee

Angela Walker (Wisconsin)
Vice Presidential Nominee

SOCIALIST EQUALITY PARTY:

Jerry White Niles Niemuth
Jerry White (Michigan)
Presidential Nominee

Niles Niemuth (Wisconsin)
Vice Presidential Nominee

SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY (SWP):

Alyson Kennedy Osborne Hart
Alyson Kennedy (Illinois)
Presidential Nominee

Osborne Hart (Pennsylvania)
Vice Presidential Nominee

VETERANS PARTY OF AMERICA:

Chris Keniston Deacon Taylor
Chris Keniston (Texas)
Presidential Nominee

Deacon Taylor (Nevada)
Vice Presidential Nominee

WORKERS WORLD PARTY:

Monica Moorehead Lamont Lilly
Monica Moorehead (New York)
Presidential Nominee

Lamont Lilly (North Carolina)
Vice Presidential Nominee

INDEPENDENT, OTHER & WRITE-IN CANDIDATES:
Gifford Abbott Jr. (Independent-Pennsylvania)
Christopher Abernathy (Independent-North Carolina)
Philip Adams (Free World Party-Georgia)
Paul Adams (Independent-Connecticut)
William Oren Adams (Independent-Louisiana)
Danny Aguilar (Write In-Nevada)
Robert Aldridge (Independent-Tennessee)
Jamal Alkhaibari (Independent-Colorado)
Darryl Allen (Independent-Washington)
James Allen (Independent-Kentucky)
Jeremiah Allen (Independent-Oklahoma)
William Alsup (Independent-Kentucky)
Joseph Altimari (Independent-Pennsylvania)
John Anderson (Populist Party-Michigan)
Roland Aranjo (Independent-Arizona)
Renny Arcaya (Independent-Texas)
Aidan Arnold-Galati (Independent-California)
Paul Asher (Independent-Florida)
Frank Atwood (Approval Voting-Colorado)
Dustin Baird (Write In-Utah)
Ed Baker (Independent-Oregon)
Jacob Baker (Work-South Carolina)
Dennis Ball (America's Party of America-California)
Joseph Bannerman (Independent-Alabama)
Don Barnhart Jr. (Independent-Nevada)
Parker Baro (Independent-Florida)
Andrew Basiago (Independent-Washington)
Adam Baxter (Independent-Utah)
Chandler Benn (Independent-Wisconsin)
Danny Bennett, II (United-Montana)
Rhett Bergevin (Independent-Illinois)
Joey Berry (Independent-South Carolina)
Maryanne Bridget Berman (Independent American-New York)
Randy Bizzle (Independent-North Carolina)
Michael Blair (Independent-Washington)
Piotr Blass (Write In-Florida)
David Boarman (Independent-California)
Chad Boisselle (Independent-North Carolina)
Sheila Bolar (Independent-Alabama)
Matthew Borman (American-Florida)
Eric Borrell (Independent-District of Columbia)
Robert Boris (Independent-California)
William Bowhall Jr. (Independent-Alabama)
J. Boydston (Write In-Colorado)
Michelle Braithwood (Independent-Florida)
Spencer Brandkamp (Write In-Arkansas)
Joseph Britt Jr. (Independent-New York)
Peter Breyfogle (Independent-Minnesota)
Mark Brooks (Independent-Washington)
Anitra Brown (Independent-California)
Harley Brown (Independent-Idaho)
James Brummett (Independent-Indiana)
Sean Burns (Independent-Iowa)
Doug Butler (Independent-Washington)
Pamela Pinkney Butts (Independent-Ohio)
James Byers (Independent-Indiana)
Scott Caldwell (Independent-Flordia)
Johnnie Campbell (Independent-Iowa)
Paul Cannaday (Independent-Michigan)
Antonio Cannady (Independent-Florida)
Emilio Carreon (Independence Party-California)
Jerry Leon Carroll (Independent-California)
Kristie Carter-Gutierrez (Independent-Tennessee)
Michael Castillejos (Federal-New York)
John Castillo (Independent-Texas)
Paul Chehade (Independent-Florida)
Toney Chenyworth (Independent-Texas)
John Chester (Independent-Vermont)
Andrew Chung (Write In-Georgia)
Christopher Cincotta (Independent-Colorado)
Doris Cintron (Independent-California)
Anthony Ciotti III (Independent-California)
"Santa" Roy Clark (Independent-Kentucky)
Todd Clayton Jr. (Chivalry Party-Washington)
Douglas Clement (Independent-Missouri)
John Cole (Independent-New York)
Amy Conger (Independent-Ohio)
Phil Cornell (Independent-Washington)
Tom Corwine (Independent-New York)
Regis Costello (Independent-Washington)
Dakota Courtois (Independent-New York)
Steven Covington (Independent-Virginia)
Thomas Coyne (Independent-Ohio)
Philip Crawford (Write In-Illinois)
J.D. Criveau (Constitutionist-Virginia)
Timothy Croston (Independent-California)
Travis Curl (Independent-Texas)
Janka Cvorovic (Independent-New York)
Kevin Deame (Pirate-Connecticut)
Caesar St Augustine DeBuonaparte (Absolute Dictator-California)
Frank DeCota (Independent-Massachusetts)
Arturo Del Hierro (Independent-Texas)
Craig Dell (Independent-Virginia)
Guy DeMarco (Independent-Missouri)
Michael Dename Jr. (Independent-New York)
Vickie Denz (Independent-Washington)
Jennifer Depew (Independent-Michigan)
Robert Devine (Independent-Wisconsin)
Steve Dillon (Independent-North Carolina)
Robert Dionisio (Independent-Georgia)
Will Dodds (Write In-Iowa)
Kenneth Domagala (Independent-New York)
Kevin Donges (Independent-Ohio)
Ned Donovan (Federal Party-Wyoming)
Colin Doyle (Independent-Oregon)
Art Drew (Independent-Pennsylvania)
Nick Dubois (Independent-Virginia)
Norman Dutra (Independent-Massachuetts)
Andrew Elijah Mister Duffy (Independent-California)
Larry Weldon Duncan (Independent-California)
Christopher Dunn (Independent-Indiana)
Mark Dutter (Independent-South Dakota)
Jason Eddy (Independent-Arkasas)
Jenny Edwards (Independent-Alabama)
Katee Edwards (Independent-Alabama)
La Resa Edwards (Independent-Georgia)
Roderick Edwards (Write In-Indiana)
Claire Elliott (Independent-Georgia)
Jonathan Elliott (Independent-California)
David Epley (Independent-Kentucky)
Frank Erwin (Independent-Indiana)
Geby Espinoza (Write In-California)
John Paul Eurton (Independent-Indiana)
Jonathan Evans (Independent-Colorado)
Souraya Faas (Independent-Florida)
Mike Fahl (Cherry Picker Party-Utah)
Sam Faldraga (Independent-New Jersey)
Paul "Superman" Falkenberg (Independent-Wisconsin)
Jacob Familoni (Independent-California)
Charles Fanning (Independent-Virginia)
Timothy Farkas (Independent-Ohio)
John Ferguson (Eco/Green-Texas)
Ken Fields (Independent-New York)
Caleb-Michael Files (Independent-New York)
James Finney (Independent-New York)
David Flanders (Independent-Florida)
Lori Fleming (Independent-Arkansas)
Matt Flores (Write In-Illinois)
Jason Flowers (Independent-Michigan)
John Follansbee (Independent-California)
Gregory Foster (Independent-Texas)
Brian Franze (Independent-Texas)
Will Froeber (Independent-Florida)
Mark Frohman (Independent-Texas)
Jeremy Gable (Independent-Pennsylvania)
Jason Gambert (Independent-Arizona)
Samx Garcia (Independent-Ohio)
Edward Gardner Jr. (Independent American-New York)
Jeff George (Independent-Florida)
Neven Gibbs (Independent-Washington)
Rocky Giordani (Independent-California)
William Giordano (Write In-Pennsylvania)
Steve Gladstone (Independent-Maryland)
Todd Glore (Independent-Indiana)
Josh Goellner (American Party-Texas)
Kevin Gong (Conservative Party-California)
Jeremy Gove (Independent-California)
Mark Graham (Write In-Florida)
Barry Grauman (Independent-Massachusetts)
Hosanna Gray (Independent-Michigan)
Clifton Greuter (Write In-Montana)
David Grig (Independent-North Carolina)
Gregory Guillaume (Write In-California)
Blue Hair Guy (Independent-Ohio)
Dave Haen (Independent-Nevada)
Martin Hahn (Independent-Oregon)
Emanuel Hammond (Independent-Arkansas)
Maxwell Hansen (Independent-Illinois)
Raymond Harding (Constitutional-Virginia)
Scott Harkins (Independent-Florida)
Emelia Harris (Write In-Florida)
Christopher Hart (Write In-Nebraska)
Linda Hart (Independent-Texas)
Ronald Hartsfield (Independent-Florida)
David Hendrix (Independent-North Carolina)
Phillip Hill (Independent-Pennsylvania)
Sam Hoff (Independent-Delaware)
Daniel Hogan (Independent-Missouri)
Donald Hopkins Jr. (Independent-Arkansas)
David Christopher Holcomb (Independent-Nebraska)
Robert Holloway Jr. (Independent-South Carolina)
Rick Hopkins (Independent-Michigan)
Mark Houston (Independent-New Jersey)
Bill Howard (Independent-Indiana)
Richard Howenstein (Independent-Indiana)
Michael Hubbell (Independent-Maryland)
Frank Huber II (Independent American Party-Ohio)
Jeff Huettl (Independent-Wisconsin)
Eugene Hunt Jr. (Independent-Michigan)
Christopher "Kaelas" Hurley (Independent-New Mexico)
Samuel Levi Hurt (Independent-Pennsylvania)
Paul Hurteau (Independent-Massachusetts)
Patrick Irwin (Independent-Washington)
Tom Irwin (American-Pennsylvania)
Zoltan Istvan (Transhumanist-California)
C.J. Jackson (Independent-Pennsylvania)
Danny Jackson (Write In-Indiana)
Roland Jackson (Independent-District of Columbia)
Sarah Jackson (Independent-Utah)
Khadijah Jacob-Fambro (Revolutionary-California)
Steven Jacobson (Independent-California)
Darin Janda (Independent-Washington)
Michael Jenkins (Independent-Virginia)
Gerald Jennings II (Independent-Colorado)
O. Hope Jerio (Independent-West Virginia)
Keya Jerry (Independent-Virginia)
Edward Jewell Sr. (Independent-Indiana)
Barry Johnson (Independent-Kansas)
Ed Jones (Independent-Ohio)
Ronald Jones (Independent-Florida)
Sue Lisa Jones (Independent-Arizona)
Terry Jones (Independent-Florida)
Vincent Jones II (Bull Moose-South Carolina)
Keith Josephs (Independent-New York)
Anik Joshi (Independent American Party-California)
Lynn Kahn (Independent-Maryland)
Richard Karst (Independent-California)
Cornelius Katt (Independent-Pennsylvania)
Thomas Keister (US Marijuana Party-Indiana)
Mohammed Keita (Write In-New York)
James Kenny (Independent-New York)
Gary Kittredge (Independent-New York)
Darren Klein (Independent-New Jersey)
Chad Kline (Write In-California)
Billy Knaub (Write In-New York)
David Knight (Independent-Nevada)
Ashten Koontz (Independent-North Carolina)
Kyle Kopitke (Independent-Michigan)
Steven Korb (Independent-Virginia)
Thomas Labo (Independent-Massachusetts)
Temperance Lance-Council (Anti Hypocrisy-California)
Keith LaPointe (Write In-Maine)
David Larm (Independent-Minnesota)
Abbey Laurel-Smith (Pilgrims Alliance-Louisiana)
James T. Law (Independent-California)
Michael Lednovich (Independent-California)
Robert Lee (Independent-Virginia)
James Legan (Independent-Georgia)
James Legate Jr. (US Taxpayers Party-Texas)
Robert Lehigh (Inspiration-Utah)
Michael "Lev" Levinson (Write In-Florida)
Bishop Julian Lewis Jr. (Independent-Texas)
David Librace (Write In-Arkansas)
Brian Lichtenfels (Independent-Pennsylvania)
David Tawei Lin (Independent-California)
Tom Lineaweaver (Freedom Party USA-Pennsylvania)
Mark Linn (Write In-New Hampshire)
Geoffrey Liu (Write In-Maryland)
David Livingston (Independent-Connecticut)
June Lloyd (Independent-Washington)
Jack Logsdon (Independent-Virginia)
Tony Loup (Independent-New York)
Donald Eugene Lowe (Independent-Texas)
Alexander Luthor (Independent-California)
Randall Lutz (Independent-Flordia)
William Lynch (Independent-New York)
Raymond Mace (Independent-Georgia)
Deborah MacKimzey (Independent-Texas)
Robert MacLeod Jr. (Independent-Georgia)
Ed Macy (Independent-Ohio)
Mike Magolnick (Independent-Texas)
Maher Maher (Independent-New Jersey)
Lucy Mailloux (Independent-Arizona)
Joseph Maldonado (Independent-Oklahoma)
Devon Manelski (Independent-Michigan)
Robert Mann (Independent-Indiana)
Kevin Manning (Independent-Arizona)
Aloysius Marcinek (Independent-Ohio)
Mike Mark (Independent-Michigan)
Benjamin Markgraff (Independent-North Dakota)
Christian Jay "Cjay" Marshall (Independent-Tennessee)
Shant Marshall (Write In-Georgia)
Danny Martin (Independent-Wyoming)
John David Martin (independent-California)
Shawna Martinez (Independent-Kentucky)
Matthew Martowska (Independent-Massachuetts)
Richard Matheson (Oathkeepers Party-Illinois)
Mark Matousek (Ace Party-Missouri)
Angie McCall (Independent-Florida)
Benson McCall (Independent-New York)
Nikki McCoig (Independent-Illinois)
Jennifer McEachern (Independent-South Carolina)
Steven McGinnis (Independent-Indiana)
Patrick McKart (Meritocracy Party-Florida)
Eamon McKeever (Ace Party-North Carolina)
Patrick McKenna (Independent-Illinois)
Myles McManus (Independent-New York)
Scott Meek (Independent-California)
Robert "Junior" Mejias (Independent-Nevada)
German Quinones Mercado Jr. (Independent-District of Columbia)
Linda Merry (Independent-Vermont)
Roland Menard III (Moderation Affiliation-Hawaii)
Andrew Mickert (Independent-Virginia)
Georgre Mikles (Independent-Nevada)
Alexander Miller (Independent-California)
Merlin Miller (American Eagle-California)
R. Lee Miller (Independent-California)
Jeremy Milligan (Independent-Illinois)
Charles Mitchell-King (Independent-California)
Robert Milnes (Progressive Libertarian Alliance-New Jersey)
Elmer Mohr (Independent-Oregon)
Corey Molinelli (Constitutional-Texas)
Kevin Montgomery (Independent-Missouri)
Derick Moody (Independent-Utah)
Billy Moore (Independent-Oregon)
Virginia Morago (Independent-Missouri)
David Morascini (Independent-Connecticut)
Perry Morcom (Independent-Texas)
Kevin Moreau (Independent-California)
Brandon Morgan (Independent-South Carolina)
Samuel Morisson (Independent-New Jersey)
Laio Morris (Write In-Virginia)
Shawn Moynihan (Independent-Florida)
Tony Mullikin (Independent-Florida)
Hilary Myers (Independent-Ohio)
Timothy Myers (Independent-Colorado)
Eric Nagel (Independent-New York)
Gloria Jean Nagle (Independent-Texas)
Michael Napodano (Independent-Texas)
Jim Nash (Independent-Missouri)
Katie Naylor (Independent-Washington)
Bill Nees (Independent Statesmen-Georgia)
Craig Neff (Independent-Maryland)
Uryan Nelson (Independent-Texas)
Deonia Neveu (Independent-Virginia)
Michael Nicely (Independent-Illinois)
Roger Nichols (United Party-Missouri)
Rogelio Nuno (Independent-California)
Matthew O'Connor (Independent-Ohio)
Timothy O'Grady (Independent-Colorado)
Donald O'Mara (Independent-Louisiana)
Michael Oatman Independent-Arizona)
Lawrence Obern (Independent-Maryland)
Jeffrey Oleyar (Write In-Ohio)
Bryan Ollivier (Independent-California)
Warren Owens (Independent-New York)
Erik Paquette (Independent-Connecticut)
John Parker (Independent-Mississippi)
Mark Pendleton (Independent-Utah)
Ryan Perera (Independent-Minnesota)
Gary Perkins Jr. (Independent-Alabama)
Charles "Chaz" Perry III (Independent-Montana)
Michael Peuler (Independent-Pennsylvania)
Marty Piatt (Independent-California)
Louis Pica (Independent-New Jersey)
Matthew Pinnavaia (Independent-California)
William Pittman (Independent-Michigan)
Eric Poders (Independent-Illinois)
Samuel Powell (Independent-District of Columbia)
Donald Proctor Jr. (Write In-Massachusetts)
Cynthia Pryber (Conservative Party-Illinois)
Kelley Bracken Rainey (Independent-South Carolina)
Dinesh Ravishanker (New White-California)
Don Reaux (Independent-Louisiana)
C.C. Reed (Independent-Florida)
Bob Reed (Independent-New York)
Carl Renowitzky (Independent-California)
Sam Resibord (Independent-Pennsylvania)
Darwin Misha Reedy (Indendent-Texas)
Alexander Ressa (Independent-Illinois)
William Knox Richardson (Independent-California)
Clifton Roberts (Humane Party-California)
Joseph Rodgers (Independent-Illinois)
Steve Rogers (Independent Party-California)
Don Rondeau (Independent-Maryland)
Johnny Roosevelt (Independent-Illinois)
Andrew Rosenbaum (Independent-Florida)
Paul Rosenberger (Independent-California)
Elijah Rostron (Independent-Massachusetts)
Brandon Rowe (Independent-Kentucky)
John Roy (Independent-Pennsylvania)
Howie Rubin (Independent-Oregon)
Arron Rudeen (Independent-Washington)
Dana Glen Russ (Independent-Texas)
William Salyer (Independent-Missouri)
Chris Santos (Independent-Massachusetts)
John Saraceno (Independent-Indiana)
Dave Sartin (Veterans Party-West Virginia)
Donald Sauter (Independent-Delaware)
Brad Schiller (Independent-Nevada)
Joe Schriner (Independent-Ohio)
Guy Schwartz (Independent-Texas)
John Graham Schwartz (Independent-Illinois)
J.W. Scroggie (Independent-Tennessee)
Michael Scruggs (Independent-Illinois)
James Sewell III (Independent-Texas)
Anthony Shahmoradi (Independent-Pennsylvania)
Ryan Shepard (Independent-New York)
Mark Shirley Independent-Illinois)
Muhammad Sho (Independent-Texas)
Richard Shrum (Independent-Texas)
Robert Sigsby (Independent-Michigan)
Rod Silva (Independent-New Jersey)
Ben Simmons (Independent-Utah)
Harley Simmons (Independent-Texas)
Jacob Simmons (Independent-Illinois)
Michael Simmons (Independent-Colorado)
Mary Erwin Simpson (Independent-District of Columbia)
Monroe Pierce Singleton (Peace Party-Oregon)
D.R. Skeens (Independent-Washington)
Keith Smith (Independent-Ohio)
Michael Smith (Independent-Pennsylvania)
Mike Smith (Independent-Colorado)
Roger Smith (Write In-West Virginia)
Scott Smith (Independent-Colorado)
T. Ben Smith (Independent-Florida)
Tony Smitherman (Independent-Texas)
George Norton Snider (Independent Christian Party-Florida)
Spencer Snyder (Independent-Texas)
Jack Sparrow (Independent-Oregon)
David Sponheim (America's Third Party-Washington)
Ray Stahle (Write In-Pennsylvania)
Tami Stainfield (Independent-West Virginia)
Renee Stephens (Write In-Oregon)
Scott Stephens (Independent-New York)
Shawna Sterling (Independent-Kentucky)
Patricia Stevens (Write In-Oklahoma)
Damian Stone (Independent-Florida)
Ricky Joe "Average Joe" Story (Independent-Florida)
Christopher Strunk (Independent-New York)
Dexter Suber (United Citizens Party-South Carolina)
Karin Swanson (Socialist Democrat-Texas)
Maurice Symonette (Write In-Florida)
Dan Szathmary (Independent-California)
Robert Szekely (Independent-Colorado)
Paul Tape Jr. (Tea-Florida)
Dan Taus (Independent-Pennsylvania)
Josh Thomas (Independent-South Carolina)
Judah Thomas (Independent-Connecticut)
Morris Kent Thompson (Independent-Florida)
Troy Thompson (Independent-Georgia)
Sheila "Samm" Tittle (Independent-Virginia)
Perry Tolos (Independent-Florida)
Brian Topping (Write In-Michigan)
Matthew Torrez (Independent-Florida)
Darrell Trigg (Christian Party-Tennessee)
Gary Tucker (Write In-Texas)
Tommy Turner (independent-Virginia)
Mathew Tyler (Independent-California)
Colton Unden (Independent-North Carolina)
Matthew Unsworth (Independent-California)
Joshua Usera (Independent-South Dakota)
Stanley Valentine (Independent-Florida)
Harold Van Allen (Independent-New York)
George Van Bernum Jr. (Independent-New York)
Mark Van De Wege (Independent-Michigan)
Gabriel Van Duren (Independent-Utah)
Isaac Vega (Write In-California)
Andre Ventura (Independent-Michigan)
Da Vid (Light-California)
Robert Vince Jr. (Independent-Ohio)
Phlllip "Andy" Vineyard (Independent-Kansas)
Andrew Vitale (Write In-New York)
Marilyn Volz-Hazel (Independent-Missouri)
Doris Walker (Independent-Illinois)
Hugh Walker (Independent-California)
Michelle "Hope" Walker (Independent-California)
Victor Walker (Independent-Maryland)
Kelso David Wallace (Write In-Florida)
William Wallace (Independent-Alabama)
Richard Watkins (Independent-California)
Andrew Webster (Independent-Texas)
Benjamin Weigel (Independent-California)
Andre Wells (Write In-California)
Eric Weinrib (Independent-New York)
Richard Wentworth (Independent-California)
David Wesson (Independent-West Virginia)
Kevin West (Independent-Arkansas)
Terry Wheelock (Independent-Texas)
Melissa White (Personal Choice-Indiana)
Ron White (Independent-California)
Thomas Wicker (Independent-New York)
Michael Wilhelm (Independent-Washington)
Todd Willey (All Mother Earth-Michigan)
Kent Williams (Independent-Florida)
Linel Williams III (Independent-North Carolina)
Mitchell Williams (Write In-Florida)
Steven Wilson (Write In-Missouri)
Mark Wimmer (Independent-Virginia)
John Wood (Independent-Utah)
Chad Woodard (Independent-California)
Jason Woodward (Write In-New Hampshire)
Nicholas Ximenez (Independent- Texas)
DyJuan D. Barnes Yahweh (Independent-Kansas)
Floyd Yancey (Independent-Tennessee)
Kenneth Young (Right to Life-California)
Chuck Zeiger (Independent-Arizona)
David Zjejewski (Independent-New Jersey)
Robert Zorn (Independent-Vermont)
Daniel Zutler (US Party-Florida)

[brooklynite]

109. Your personal insult makes the argument that much more convincing...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

111. She's a purist. A party purist. And, a fool.

Freedom for supporters of the government only, for members of one party only, no matter how big its membership may be is, no freedom at all. Freedom is always freedom for the man who thinks differently. Rosa Luxemburg

[nadinbrzezinski]

112. Alas I agree with her

But we tax payers don't cover the costs. It will bankrupt parties so fast they will go back to cloack rooms or caucuses everywhere. Just don't claim they are democratic. By the way sheer economics will force parties to either go away, or open them everywhere.

For all I care, this year's season is a modified good old fashioned Dedazo

[VulgarPoet]

117. Aces. I guess each time the DNC calls me, I can tell them to fuck off, then.

[pdsimdars]

120. Judging by her win/loss record for the Democratic party.. . . I'd say the opposite applies.

[JoePhilly]

121. Want to help pick the dem nominee, become a dem.

Very simple.

Btw ... Hillary kicked ass in both open and closed primaries.

[reformist2]

130. Tell that to New York voters, who had to join the party six months ago. That's just wrong.

[phleshdef]

134. Thats a stupid fucking philosophy that would result in a smaller Democratic party in the long run.

You lack vision. So does DWS and thats why we have been getting our asses handed to us in mid-terms... because of people who think the way you do.

[JoePhilly]

135. Well aren't you the self-righteous preachy type.

I honestly laughed at your response.

If you guys are so smart ... why aren't you winning more elections?

[phleshdef]

136. What elections am I not winning? Debbie Schultz is the one thats been failing at her job.

[JoePhilly]

137. The next one.

Btw ... you do realize Hillary also won most of the open primaries too, right?

All this screeching about closed primaries in a desperate search for a way to claim Bernie should really be winning.

[phleshdef]

138. I never did any "screeching" about closed primaries.

I'm not talking about Bernie vs Hillary. So you can stop trying to change the subject to avoid the issue.

I'm talking about growing the Democratic party and open primaries grow the damn party.

Independents outnumber both Democrats and Republicans when it comes down to registrations. If you want to win the general election, you have to draw in independents. Period.

[JoePhilly]

139. How does letting people outside the party grow the party?

It's not like they are joining the party, an action which would actually grow it.

[merrily]

127. Almost as clever as delaying the Democratic debates so media had nothing much but Trump to discuss.

Republicans get by with a little help from their friends, like Debbie.

[CobaltBlue]

128. If you are supportive of Debbie Wasserman Schultz…

You, not unlike the congresswoman from Florida #23, are a Republican in Democratic clothing.

[B Calm]

131. She also is against marijuana legalization. She's a republican!