Healthcare question

[pdsimdars]

Here's a stark question. . .do you want your healthcare system decided in a closed room with lobbyists, or with a discussion with We, the People?

That is how Obama did it? There was no one in that room to represent single payer or the people, just corporate lobbyists Who do you think it will benefit most?

Same with trade. Do you want our trade policies decided by multinational lobbyists. Obama did not allow the unions in that room (he had promised them that if there were any trade deals, Unions would be included in the discussions --- not so much).

That is how they do it now days. They meet with lobbyists and corporate CEOs to hammer out policies and programs. I'm sure they try to figure out some way to make it palatable to us, throw us a bone or two, but there is no way, as we have seen, that those policies will be designed for OUR benefit. Mostly everything is set up for their benefit.

Which candidate do you think will be the "business as usual" "work with lobbyists" candidate?

And can any Democrat explain to everyone how that has anything to do with Democratic, liberal, progressive policies? How is letting corporate lobbyists design our national policies, how is that part of the Democratic party at all?

[Firebrand Gary]

1. People are so tired of these lies!

Let's remember, In 2009, after the President and the democratic congress was sworn in, we had 59 senate seats. 59. Al Franken was sworn into the U.S. Senate on July 7, 2009 due to the contested senate race in Minnesota with Norm Coleman. Ted Kennedy died of a brain tumor on August 25, 2009.

Let's be very clear about these dates!

That’s how long we had as a filibuster proof majority. Sure there was Paul Kirk who Governor Deval Patrick appointed in the interim, but even he was only there September 24, 2009 – February 4, 2010. February 4th 2010 is the day that Republican Senator Scott Brown was sworn into office, which would not have happened if “political revolutionaries” would have showed up to vote for the democrat. WHERE. WERE. THEY?

All of our major legislative achievements happened in less than half of a congressional term, if that is not considered historic and extremely successful, nothing ever will be! What we achieved in that tiny amount of time is massively monumental! Not to mention, we carried the baton further than anyone ever imagined. Anyone who believes we could have achieved single payer under this Supreme Court is being disingenuous. The ACA BARELY survived as it was and it would not have if it weren't for Chief Justice Roberts.

[pdsimdars]

2. All you talked about was congress. . . . I said nothing about that . . so where is the lie?

Or do you just like the ad ad hominem attacks?

You didn't answer my question. . . oh, of course, now I see you are a Hillary suporter, no wonder you didn't. Par for the course.

I bet you think FDR and LBJ had filibuster proof congresses, right? No? And yet, they got big, hard things passed and didn't just whine and giver up. They FOUGHT for what was right. It's called LEADERSHIP.

And you still didn't answer the question, just made excuses. Maybe you should re-read it and you could control your mind long enough to get some comprehension of what I was asking.

[Firebrand Gary]

3. Incase you're not aware of how bills and laws get passed.

Hillary HAS been fighting for Health Care Reform for a very long time, she has the scars to prove it, Sander's does not! As for Leadership, I just gave you a definition of it. However let's talk about President Obama's LEADERSHIP, he got a bill passed, something everyone else has failed to do for 100 years! But I get it, it wasn't good enough for you.

Some people will never learn, progressivism is not allowing perfect to be the enemy of the good.

[pdsimdars]

4. How do people want their programs decided?