The behavior of many people is beginning to remind me of a certain movie...

[Armstead]

Clinton fights hard. "Oh I Love Her. So Tough!".......Bernie fights hard. "He's awful and Mean!"
I can't understand the double standards. And how delicate people are towards Clinton and so nasty towards Sanders.

Clinton and her campaign and supporters can say bad things about Sanders and do whatever it takes to win....And that's great. She's a fighter.

Bernie campaigns hard, and he's a horrid man, having a temper tantrum and being "inappropriate.

He and his supporters should give up. Give in. Accept the inevitable.

[RKP5637]

1. Yep, it does! n/t

[reddread]

2. you are not of the body!

[Atman]

3. I got kicked out if the Hillary group long ago.

Before being blocked by them was a badge of honor. I didn't even say anything anti-Hillary, I just wasn't pro-Hillary enough. They're a bunch of shrews.

[NCTraveler]

8. Can you tell me why I was kicked out of the Sanders Group?

I don't mind and can't figure out why this is so important to people.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128069099

That's my one post in the group. Was banned minutes after making it.

[Atman]

17. I don't know, I was never a poster there.

I don't even remember the post I made in the Hillary group. I didn't even realize I was posting there, I was just responding to a thread which showed up on the Latest page. It wasn't anti-Hillary, but that didn't matter. I was immediately blocked, then they went on yammering about my post after I was unable to respond.

I can't figure out either side. Why don't you want people to discuss things with you? You inflate your own bubble to crawl into, then lose all perspective. It's sad.

[senz]

40. Maybe they'd read all the nasty things you'd said about him elsewhere?

Just a guess...

[NCTraveler]

43. I agree. Have even stated that as a reason.

I believe that to be a great point and one that should end the posts about people being kicked out of groups. It's why I made it.

[joshcryer]

39. "They're a bunch of shrews."

Well gee, I wonder why they kicked you.

[Atman]

45. If the shrew fits, wear it.

I made no derogatory comment. I don't recall exactly what I posted, but it was not anti-Hillary.

[randome]

4. Actually, it's starting to remind me more of this (bird reference just a happy coincidence!)

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.[/center][/font][hr]

[senz]

41. That is the first post of yours that is actually kind of cute.

[randome]

44. ALL MY POSTS ARE CUTE! I'M LOVABLE, GODDAMNIT!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

[Lizzie Poppet]

5. Camp Weathervane loves standards so much, they have two!

[senz]

42. lol!

[boston bean]

6. Tell me about it!

People who you thought would support the Dem Nominee, knowing the damage the other side would do, telling you they will never ever vote for Hillary.

Then, those same people demanding you to be nice to them after months of shit flung. and if you aren't deferential even in the face of their continuous dumping of shit, demand you convince them in the nicest way possible to vote for the Dem Nominee? And then they still tell you NEVER!?

Tell me about it!

[reddread]

9. it is high time Democratic voters supported the good work done in Iraq

Haiti and Honduras.

vote yes.

[artislife]

28. Hee!

[JoePhilly]

7. Oh the drama.

[Armstead]

11. On both sides

If the Clintonistas are so confident and don't want drama, they'd just ignore the inconvenience of Sanders' campaign instead of all their huffing and puffing and browbeating.

[JaneyVee]

10. Havent heard that one before.

Literally, no article has ever been written about this topic. Perhaps its just in your mind?

[Armstead]

12. No it's real. Here's the scientific proof

[hellofromreddit]

13. I'm just here to chew bubblegum and kick ass...

...and I'm all out of bubblegum.

[MisterP]

14. their nastiness comes from their threatenedness: if you're persecuted and shell-shocked

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(I can't count how many I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS I'M GOING NUMB I CAN'T BREATHE posts the Clintonistas put up--I mean, how do they walk down the street without spontaneously dying?) then anyone who makes you feel that bad is fair game

[Progressive dog]

15. There, there

you can still go and visit Bernie's home in Vermont. I'm sure his campaign will be building a "should have been president, I had big crowds" library in Burlington.

[Armstead]

16. Bernie will be fine whatever happens...He's got a good life and will have an even better one

My life will go on as it's been too. Been living under the steady erosion of American democracy and the distortion and theft of COMPETITIVE FREE enterprise by Monopoly Capital for at least three decades of my 64 years. I'll adjust.

It's just a shame to see a once great democracy selling its soul to the Almighty Dollar once again.

[Progressive dog]

18. " competitive free" is just a little

over the top. I'm sure you've suffered greatly by living in the largest developed nation in the world. It must hurt even worse to know that your fellow citizens continue to vote for the people who are handing our country over to the monopoly corporations.

[Armstead]

20. Anyone who gives a fuck should not like that...

That transcends candidates, and even ideology or party.

Look at all of the small and mid-sized business that have been swallowed up by monopolistic corporations -- or crushed by their monopoly power -- over the last 40 years.

Look at how industries that once had dozens of competing companies of various sizes are all owned by one or two massive transnational corporations.

Look at how that has translated into the treatment of workers and consumers.

Look at how that has intensified the concentration of wealth.

Look at how it has corrupted the basic process of governance.Look at how that has translated into the assumption that "the richest candidate always wins."

If that doesn't bother you..have some more soma..

?w=750

[Progressive dog]

23. Apparently you think that you can redefine monoply

to include whatever you want to include. The US has had laws against monopolies since Teddy Roosevelt, about 100 years. Those laws are actually enforced and companies pay attention.
I can't look at things that don't exist.

Look at how industries that once had dozens of competing companies of various sizes are all owned by one or two massive transnational corporations.

There is no

assumption that "the richest candidate always wins."

. You can use other people's money to try to buy elections but just having money is not going to help.

[Armstead]

24. Have you been paying attention to the news since 1980?

Denial is not a river in Egypt

[Progressive dog]

25. I do pay attention to actual facts

I also know that there are many, many, many corporations in each of the very carefully selected industries that aren't shown on your graphs, I know that even the few industries you cherry picked have more than the one or two companies you claim.
Or maybe you don't.

[Armstead]

27. It's the same pattern in almost every industry

One or two, four or five...It boils down the the same effect...And the problem is each merger is not simply one replacing two.

A company acquires another....Two become one....But when those two merge with another company that has also absorbed its competitor....4 become 1.....and that process keeps going exponentially. Pretty soon 50 has been reduced to one or two or three or four.

And money and power feed on themselves. And human values and accountability become less important.......These companies also use the power of size to smash remaining competition and corner markets as they reach unimaginable size. Eventually they have taken the entire economy and government hostage.

This is not limited tothe few examples I selected.

[Progressive dog]

33. You have proven that you can name zero

of the monopolies that are coming for us, and based on your faulty understanding of the present, you presume to predict the future.
Of course, like most fortune tellers, you are smart enough to limit your predictions to generalities.

[Armstead]

34. I haven't the time to dig out the many examples since you don't care

If you want to be utterly legalistic and say monopoly is 1 company, you are technically correct.

But if you want top look at the numbers of actual competitors that exist in most industries, yeah we're in a monopolistic situation.

If you don't recognize that then it's not worth discussion.

[Progressive dog]

38. Right, you have all those examples

but not at hand. Since you thought you could sell banking as non-competitive ,I actually have looked at actual competitors that exist in banking, there are at least 6 big US banks, dozens of big foreign banks that do business here, hundreds of medium sized and small banks in the USA. If you think they have no competition, you are delusional. You can't name one major industry with two or fewer competitors and we both know it.

[artislife]

29. And they say Bernie supporters are Trump supporters...well smh.

[Progressive dog]

32. Yes they do when repeating what some Bernie

supporters claim. It's known as taking them at their word.

[Atman]

46. It's called "Capitalism."

Perfect capitalism destroys itself. There can be no other way. You must buy up all your competitors in order to satisfy your shareholders. Eventually you have no new customers. It's not rocket science.

[2banon]

30. mean spirited and nasty. was that really necessary?

[Progressive dog]

31. It was in the spirit and tone of the OP

It was necessary

[ScreamingMeemie]

19. I was just on a jury for a thread...

The alerter got the reason for the alert wrong, but the OP was sickening to me, and this is a person I've respected for the last decade or so. Some have let the anger go too far.

[Punkingal]

21. And just when you think it can't get any worse, it does.

It's really very sad.

[Doctor_J]

22. I can understand it

1. Must have female president right now
2. Avoid discussion of issues at all cost

Especially now with the details of the TPP and TPIP emerging, Mrs. Clinton's entire adult life of favoring corporations over people must be hidden.

[HooptieWagon]

26. Hillarians remind me more of 'Heathers'.

[moriah]

35. Oh, Hillary was roundly criticized in 08 for a less aggressive press release to delegates

... but it was closer to the final primaries, there were far fewer pledged delegates left, and a statistical impossibility that she would get enough (even with extra Michigan and Florida delegates, even with uncommitteds going to her. She was losing, badly.

Here's what she released:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2008/05/clintons-closing-argument-to-superdelegates/53314/

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Now, a lot of what Bernie said Sunday reminds me of the tone of that letter -- except in 2008, Obama had been the first to address the Supers, and it was from a position of strength. Hillary waited until after that to plead her case, which uses many of the same arguments Bernie used with regard to polling, and the fact that nothing was over until at least the voting was done.

But Hillary sent that in writing, not a press conference, so more aggressive language may be warranted as a way to show his supporters he's not giving up on THEM.

I am very thankful that he said no matter what, he will work to keep Trump or any other GOP contender from winning. That's all I care about, though I do hope (IF he loses in pledged delegates, and even if allocating Supers by percentage wins in each state he still can't get the 2383 but Hillary would under that scenario) that he concedes before the Convention.

The 2008 Convention was wonderful to watch, the Party coming together. And even though Bernie is leading a campaign and not a cult -- of course he can't just snap his fingers and make his supporters transfer their support to Hillary immediately and wholeheartedly -- the gracious behavior Hillary showed after losing was to her credit.

[Armstead]

36. Can't predict during of after the convention...but as far as chrolological parallels....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511890934

[moriah]

37. And on June 5th, she had issued the notification of concession...

Though planning the event and speech took several days (June 7).

I am referring to behavior after the contest is over, and I can't criticize Sanders for doing things Hillary did (namely, not giving up until at least the last vote is counted).

I admit I had already given up in early May of 2008, but this year's primaries are more spread out than 2008. Even if the math looks bad, I still want every Bernie (and every Hillary) supporter to have their voices heard. I don't want mathematical analysis to discourage voter turnout, but hopefully Bernie supporters are stubborn enough to go out and vote. Being stubborn isn't an entirety bad quality, after all -- a more eloquent word is tenacity.