Bernie's 'Contested' Convention vs. Hillary's Convention Bid in 2008

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Dean Barker @deanbarker
Here's how @HillaryClinton, who came very close to winning the nomination, "contested" the 2008 convention. #Unity

watch:

Aug. 2008: Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) suspends the roll call vote at the Democratic National Convention and calls for the nomination of Barack Obama.

Jennifer Epstein @jeneps
As Clinton plans for general election, Sanders is by no means conceding. "The convention will be a contested contest," he says in DC.

[sufrommich]

1. Yeah,I suspect if Sanders goes out with the

same amount of class and dignity,his most fervent supporters will trash him ruthlessly.

[bigtree]

2. this isn't progressiveness he's promising

...it's craven politics as usual.

This 'revolution' of Sanders' is revealing itself to be a self-serving scramble for his personal political gain.

[frylock]

29. You know fuckall.

[Satch59]

3. That was classy...

Well done HRC. Can only hope Bernie follows suit...would be good for his reputation and for the party...

"Love Train" played at the end!! So good...

[bigtree]

4. it would be a refreshing act of leadership

...too much of his present posturing invites cynicism and animus, when we need unity.

I think the convention leaders and others are going to strongly remind him of that in the coming weeks.

[Armstead]

5. And.....

[bigtree]

11. that's a dishonest charge made to excuse away Sanders' craveness

...right from the start, it's belied by the fact that Hillary conceded (graciously) a mere FOUR days after the voting stopped.

Moreover, the offer of SoS was made in DECEMBER, and was widely reported to have been rebuffed several times by Mrs. Clinton.

[Armstead]

21. Four days after the voting stopped June 7

And a quid pro quo is to be expected in those situations. It's not out of the ordinary, and not necessarily bad.

But let's not pretend that she decided to gracefully concede with no thought of her own political future ever crossing her mind.

[leftynyc]

17. Do you really feel comfortable

accusing both Hillary and Pres Obama of a CRIME?

[Armstead]

18. Not a crime -- Just political payback

as American as apple pie

[leftynyc]

19. No - it's a CRIME

and you're accusing both Hillary and Pres Obama with proof I have seen no evidence of. Serve it up.

[Armstead]

22. Oh jam your phony contention

It is business as usual. I am not being legalistic about it, and you shouldn't claim that I am.

In just about every political contest for the presidency some thought and eventual discussion is part of the process of conceding.

[leftynyc]

25. Awwww - it's adorable

when you accuse someone of a CRIME and whine when someone asks for evidence of said CRIME. Quid pro Quo is a CRIME. Sorry you have problems with that simple concept.

[Armstead]

26. That's too foolish to bother responding to anymore

[Orsino]

6. One vote isn't going to hurt anyone.

But it is certainly conceivable that a deal could be reached that would obviate the need for a vote.

[bigtree]

8. that would have an alienating effect

...with no real purpose than some sort of protest vote.

Is that how Sanders wants our party to enter into the contest with the republican rival? For what earthly reason, other than a self-serving show of dissension from the presumptive choice??

[Orsino]

14. Conventions are for deals.

Do we really believe that Hillary Clinton unilaterally disarmed at the 2008 convention?

No, a deal was reached to encourage exactly what we saw. It could happen again--and possibly before the convention--but even if the nomination comes to a vote this year, the Democratic Party is not going to look anywhere near as fractured as the GOP.

We'll be fine.

[bigtree]

16. you don't have a shred of evidence of that

...just petty politics to fill in the blanks with the worst of your imagination.

[Orsino]

20. Okay. So President Obama's only rival conceded witnout conditions...

...and became Secretary of State only because of her previous foreign policy experience?

A deal was reached. It happens a lot, and isn't necessarily toxic. Just politics.

[bigtree]

24. like I said

...you're projecting your own cynicism and apparent bias against Hillary Clinton.

Not much more needs to be said about your view.

[aikoaiko]

7. I don't think Bernie will be placated with an SOS position.

[MineralMan]

9. He won't seek or be offered that position, anyhow.

Foreign affairs are not his strong area. I suspect that he will decide that being in the Senate is his best choice. I hope he runs for another term as Senator, as well. We need his voice in that body.

[aikoaiko]

10. Of course. Hillary can't offer him anything.

[MineralMan]

12. What do you think he is expecting?

I don't think Bernie Sanders is expecting any cabinet positions. I don't think he wants any such positions. It's not about whether the next President offers jobs to a primary candidate who did not become the nominee.

I'm sure that Bernie Sanders would agree. His concession and endorsement of nominee Clinton is not dependent on getting some plum job in her administration. He will make both out of his concern for the future, knowing that a Republican administration will work in direct opposition to his goals, while Hillary Clinton will work toward many of them.

Bernie Sanders is an honorable career politician. He will act honorably and in the best interest of the nation. Of that I am 100% certain.

[aikoaiko]

15. He expects nothing from HRC.

[StevieM]

23. Neither was Hillary. She threw her support behind Obama, and did everything possible to help him,

without any conditions attached.

After the election President Obama asked her to become his secretary of state. She said no at first, but he persisted and so she agreed to take the job and serve her country.

[aikoaiko]

27. I dount that. I'm sure there were conditions.

I know, I can't prove it, but that would be consistent with her complete 180 on Obama.

Certainly, there was her debt problem after her first primary.

[BootinUp]

13. Sanders legacy is up to him, do the right thing Senator Sanders. nt

[apnu]

28. Bernie should have a seat at the table at the DNC.

His pledged delegate and turn out counts demand it.

And we should demand the DNC gives him a spot, recognition and a role at the convention and the GE going forward.

Bernie says he's in the Dem party now and forever, so lets give him a chair!