Indiana goes to Hillary: 75% of the early vote is over 50 and It's finals week at public schools.

[factfinder_77]

https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/727518956416716800

[AZ Mike]

1. What a great benefit that some people are unable to vote.

[boobooday]

2. Seriously. n/t

[factfinder_77]

4. Same can be said for the terrible undemocratic caucuses that Sanders has won

N/A

[AZ Mike]

8. Deflect and distract

Do you personally support the barriers to young voters?

[CorkySt.Clair]

9. Yes, Hillary has done a masterful job

Of colluding with Indiana's college administrators and professors to schedule exams the day of the primary to suppress young Berners.

[AZ Mike]

10. That's taking it to the ridiculous.

No one said that. The point is that the original Tweet and the OP suggested that as an advantage. Is that a good thing - that kind of advantage?

[CorkySt.Clair]

13. Read like someone analyzing the race to me

And if young people have complications to their scheds and they are a key part of the Sanders coalition it's worth mentioning that it might be a factor. It's not unlike how people pontificate about how weather might affect some people more than others on Election Day. I didn't read the tweet as celebrating anything.

[AZ Mike]

22. Let's break it down....

1) OP posted by an apparent Hillary supporter based on the avatar.

2) OP states: "Indiana goes to Hillary:"

i. Based on:

a. "75% of the early vote is over 50..."

1. Implied is that this is a favorable demographic for Hillary

b. "and It's finals week at public schools."

2. Implied is that this is an unfavorable demographic for Hillary

So, YAY! You get the W in Indiana because of barriers to voting participation - not because of fair and open competition and the debate of ideas. And, no, those barriers are not a result of collusion or some conspiracy - it simply is finals time in many areas of the country. But, the spirit of the OP is disgusting. It's anti-democratic and right wing. Republican voter suppression laws target minorities, the poor, and STUDENTS because those groups may vote against Republican interests. So, to see a so-called "Democrat" cheer on barriers to participation places him or her much closer to the GOP than they might want to admit. That's shameful.

And to think just last week Bernie was widely criticized on here when he suggested that a part of his problem is that the poor and younger demographics have trouble voting at the same rate as other groups. Well, once again, it appears he was at the forefront of an issue. But, kudos to you.

[CrowCityDem]

25. So you're saying...

celebrating a fact that happens to mean less people will vote for the candidate you don't like is bad, but supporting a candidate who wants to overturn the overwhelming majority of the vote for his own sake is good?

[frylock]

26. +++

[apcalc]

76. Gee, not everyone can make it out to vote

Due to other responsibilities?

Sounds sort of like a caucus, eh?

[seabeyond]

48. These are young adults and they are not in school from the minute polls open until close.

Most every one else is at a job, and they still manage to find the time to go to the damn polls and vote. The young adults have the ability to get to a poll and vote. Ya, it is tough, finals, end of term papers. The worker having to clock in at 8 and be there until 5. We figure out ways to make it work if it is important enough to us.

Until we have a voting day where school is called off and a no work day, we have to manage our time and make it work.

The same applies to the student. This is a bullshit excuse.

[AZ Mike]

49. If it's bullshit, it wouldn't be a factor in the outcome.

I've already demonstrated how the OP is stressing it as a factor, so you may just be exhibiting bias.

[seabeyond]

51. Because the student is not motivated enough to make it work. That is Sanders issue.

[AZ Mike]

63. This. Is. Not. About. Sanders.

This is about someone - supposedly a Democrat - cheering vote barriers as a factor in an electoral outcome.

That's anti-Democratic in its very spirit. This is an issue of principle. I have no problem opening everything up, giving everyone all the information, and letting people make informed decisions from that. The OP (and apparently you) think it's cute to play Republican-style team politics. By all means, that's your right, but at least be intellectually honest enough to admit it and stop trying to confuse the issue.

[seabeyond]

67. It is about Sanders, what has you so invested. The student is not denied the vote. Student CHOOSE

To not put for the effort to vote.

We all have busy lives adn it is hard for ALL of us to vote, the student even with exams has a more flexible schedule. They appear not to be motivated, and you appear to start out blaming what? The Democrats, Clinton? For stealing or coronation?

This is life, and students, when motivated or it matters, finds the time to vote.

They are not being denied the opportunity.

[AZ Mike]

70. No sh*t, Sherlock.

That's why I have been extremely careful to talk about "barriers to vote participation". I did not say vote suppression. I did talk about structural inequities and vote participation rates.

Even in that context, to cheer the lack of participation still reflects poorly on the OP. As a matter of principle, you don't do victory dances when vote turnout is low. That's reserved for the GOP.

[seabeyond]

71. Right cause when we have a strong black turnout, we cheer. When Sanders has a strong Independent and

other turnout, you all cheer.

What the fuck ever....

[Gomez163]

52. Yes. They need to raise the voting age to 40

[AZ Mike]

64. Based on what?

And why not 39? Or 41?

[Gomez163]

65. Gullibility. I think 40 is a safe age where you start to realize that

everything is not for free.

[AZ Mike]

74. Wow. How condescending.

Maybe we should tie all rights and obligations to that age then, right?

[Gomez163]

75. Fine.

[Loudestlib]

79. Karl?

Karl Rove is that you?

[workinclasszero]

16. But..but..

undemocratic is good if it favors Sanders.

[AZ Mike]

23. That you are so willing to dismiss this structural inequity is an indictment....

....to your commitment to team sports politics.

This is not about Hillary or Bernie, it's about cheering for a win based on barriers to participation.

[LuvLoogie]

29. Bernie created his own barriers his whole political life.

He only decided to bridge his self-imposed divide last year, April. Phoning it in to one-hour-a-week radio segment, broadcasting to the choir, might not be enough to get you past the tireless, gregarious Hillary Clinton and her decades thick Rolodex.

[AZ Mike]

30. I don't know why you're fixated on Bernie.

I'm speaking to the celebratory reaction to structurally impaired voter participation.

You're playing team sports. Rah rah rah!

[anigbrowl]

34. Oh get off your high horse

If you were really concerned about that you would be equally concerned about other structural barriers to voting, instead you only want to talk about the one that is affecting you (qua a Sanders campaign supporter) today.

[AZ Mike]

36. There should be NO structural barriers to voting.

Automatic universal registration (with opt-out) and federal holiday are two great ways to start the conversation.

If that's a high horse, then so be it. I'd urge you to move a bit further away from the Republicans.

[anigbrowl]

38. You could have just said that earlier

instead of berating other posters who raised structural issues that are equally troubling them. I'm not near the Republicans but thanks for throwing in the false equivalence fallacy. I know it's embarrassing to have your schtick pointed out for what it is.

[AZ Mike]

39. Berating?

Wow. Ok.

I understand principled debate is difficult for some people, but that's a bit extreme of a charge.

[anigbrowl]

40. What else would you call your post #8?

It certainly wasn't 'principled debate'. 'Berating' just means to criticize someone angrily, and your accusations of bad faith fit the bill. Now you want us to consider you the victim of an extreme charge? Boo hoo.

[AZ Mike]

41. Um

A question.

[anigbrowl]

42. You're leaving a little bit out

8. Deflect and distract

Do you personally support the barriers to young voters?

So first you accused the other poster of an attempt to 'Deflect and distract' - not exactly the principled debate you claim to be looking for - and then tried to put the other poster on the spot by positing a a personal desire to create voting barriers...while completely ignoring the counter-example that the other poster had brought up.

People who are truly seeking principled debate look for common ground with their opponent and make an effort to be civil rather than tossing around zingers and false accusations. Really I think you owe that other poster an apology.

[AZ Mike]

44. The other poster's comments were a diversion from the topic of debate

Hence the comment. That's hardly berating.

[anigbrowl]

45. Nobody made you the debate moderator

Why should you be the authority on what topics can or cannot be discussed? If you were truly concerned about barriers to voting then the inaccessibility of the caucus system is at least as relevant as the fact that Indiana's primary happens to fall during exam time. But as I said, you seem to really only be concerned with whatever issue is affecting your preferred candidate today.

[AZ Mike]

47. And who the hell are you on who's authority?

I have nothing more to say to you.

[seabeyond]

50. Guess what? That is not our reality. So we adults do the best we can. Students have the same ability

[Roland99]

87. Like Hillary's coin-flip wins?

[flor-de-jasmim]

12. You beat me to it! And on a m forum!

[NuclearDem]

31. Early and absentee voting has been going on for almost a month.

There's been so much time and opportunity for students to get out and vote it's not even funny.

[KingFlorez]

35. Shouldn't they have voted early before finals?

[Renew Deal]

46. Anyone can vote early

[MFM008]

54. funny

here in the Washington state caucus they turned away multiple HRC supporters because they came after the 11AM "cutoff". That would have enabled her to carry my district. Instead she lost by 2 votes.

[brewens]

56. Yes. Hurray for highly educated young people working hard at school and their part-

time jobs and being too busy to vote! That has to be great for the country!

[seabeyond]

68. Ya... because all of us, all our lives do not have that restrictive schedule where it is tough to

vote also. Just poor kids. The young adults have a more flexible schedule even with exams. They aren't motivated, if the are not showing up.

[LisaM]

61. Not sure how finals would mean a student couldn't vote, since there's early voting.

I emphatically do not support anything that makes it more difficult for college students to vote. Their voting rights are under assault from people like Scott Walker enough as it is.

But on the other hand, the caucuses in Washington state emphatically favored college students, since they were held on a Saturday morning at 10:00 a.m. and involved at least a two-hour commitment. Only 4% of voters even turned out. Other states likewise held them on weekends.

With all the talk of disenfranchisement, we really need to address the caucus situation. It really limits participation.

[Agnosticsherbet]

3. That is a good sign...

I do have an elderly neighbor that likes to garden in the nude and loves Sanders. Nice old gentleman, but I doubt the majority is like him.

[factfinder_77]

5. 95% of the 294K absentee ballots requested in Indiana have been returned.

That's in contrast to the 119,639 ballots cast in 2012.

https://twitter.com/ajjaffe/status/727490953183924225

[karynnj]

14. Easy to explain - both parties have a race this year, 2012 only the Republicans did

look at your link - there are responses that point out no Democratic race in 2012 and the Republican race was for all purposes over by Indiana. They also note that far over half of those returned are in the Republican race.

[grossproffit]

19. WOW!

[NurseJackie]

24. And absentee voters are SERIOUS voters ... not "impulse-voters" or "drive-by" voters ...

... who are momentarily motivated for some fleeting reason, and then go back to being non-participating malcontents tomorrow.

[Loudestlib]

82. Pssss

There was no democratic primary in 2012. Remember that guy, what's his name? Ohh right Obama.

[UMTerp01]

6. We'll see...

Nothing is in the bag and open primary means advantage Bernie. I'm barely paying attention now though. Just waiting for the convention and for it to be official.

[whatchamacallit]

7. Yes, democracy is inconvenient for the coronation. Yay!

[factfinder_77]

11. Democracy like the + 3,2 million Clinton votes. Yay !

[whatchamacallit]

18. Except you're gleeful some will be too busy to vote

[seabeyond]

58. We are ALL too busy to vote, and still during lunch, after work, or getting out early, we manage.

The student has an even more flexible schedule. Busy? Ya, so are the rest of us. Motivated? No.

[Beacool]

20. I have no idea who's going to win IN, but enough with the coronation crap.

Your candidate is losing for the simple reason that more Democrats are voting for Hillary than are voting for him. A coronation would be if she went to the convention with less pledged delegates, far behind in the popular vote, and the super delegates still gave her the nomination. That's a coronation, and come to think of it, that's what Sanders has proposed. Who is really the one who wants to be crowned, Hillary or Sanders?

[Herman4747]

27. Your candidate will say ANYTHING to gain votes...

...no surprise she's ahead. What is a surprise, though a sad one, is that you approve of Hillary's insincerity.

[Beacool]

28. Please, try facing reality and stop insulting her supporters.

[Herman4747]

33. Aw, I am sorry...

It seems as though you disapprove of her extreme insincerity:

[seabeyond]

59. Seriously? Free college, 15 an hour, Free health care!!! Pay for it? Meh... Revolution. !!!

[seabeyond]

55. Cornation? You have the people out voting for Clinton putting forth the effort, and Sanders not

putting forth an effort. Then you blame those that actually made the effort to vote as a coronation. Such sour grapes. Sounding like you are wanting a coronation for Sanders, since the voters for Clinton are getting out there.

[DrDan]

15. and the nomination is pretty well locked-up

[Loudestlib]

85. Maybe you shouldn't be counting them chickens.

[DrDan]

89. actually a bit closer than we were yesterday

[workinclasszero]

17. Yay!

[CrowCityDem]

21. It'll be interesting to see how many Berners either don't vote, or vote Republican.

[bettyellen]

43. I'm guessing more Indies will vote GOP because it is still seen as a race.

[Dem2]

32. So we can assume she lost

These posts are inevitably "famous last words".

[Maru Kitteh]

37. #FeelTheMath

[Jackie Wilson Said]

53. GOP steals elections on a regular basis FOCUS PEOPLE!

[egalitegirl]

72. Why would GOP steal it from Sanders for Hillary?

Since you have posted this in a thread about Hillary winning in IN, are you implying that GOP is stealing it from Sanders on behalf of Hillary? Is my reading correct? If so, it only strengthens the belief Hillary and GOP are partners.

[HooptieWagon]

57. Cheering low voter turnout sounds so Republican.

But expected from a fan of the closet Republican candidate.

[seabeyond]

60. Sanders unmotivated voter. That simple.

[annavictorious]

62. Is it just me

or is there something just a bit wrong with the tweet that you linked to. Are they taking pelvic exams?

https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/727518956416716800

[factfinder_77]

66. And remember, early votes are not being represented in exit polls.

[panader0]

69. Notice the first response?---"What a deplorable comment."---

[factfinder_77]

73. That is kinda normal, but it has been very little crossover voting , dem 78 / ind 20 /gop 2

https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol

[virtualobserver]

77. Team Hillary trolls nursing homes looking for patients with Dementia who can vote absentee?

[bluestateguy]

78. Yyyep

It's hard to expect college kids to walk and chew bubble gum at the same time.

It's one of those things you learn to do when you get older.

[factfinder_77]

81. A double digit victory in Allen county for clinton

A double digit victory in Allen county for clinton and trump would likely indicate wins as it was one of the biggest swing counties

https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol

[factfinder_77]

83. best counties yet to report

Front runners continue to hold their lead with their best counties yet to report. Watch Lake/Marion for both Clinton and Trump.

[RadiationTherapy]

93. I have worked with hundreds of students at a university for 14 years.

They are, to a very large extent, very nice, capable, interesting, and engaged people.

[Demsrule86]

80. I have always thought some of Bernie's support

in open primaries consisted of the GOP attempting to screw with our elections. Since this is important to the GOP types...they may have to vote GOP. WE all know Joe Scarborough was salivating for Bernie.

[Attorney in Texas]

86. Traditionally, we count the vote first.

[Aerows]

88. For people that think their candidate has it in the bag

You folks sure seem rather disturbed that she might lose today. I mean, we were supposed to be demoralized and she was supposed to win 37% to 55%.

It must suck to discover that Bernie Sanders supporters aren't going away.

[hollowdweller]

90. Good theory.

Didn't entirely pan out though.

[TheDormouse]

91. Kicking

[pugetres]

97. I think it needs a few more kicks.

[hootinholler]

92. !

[AzDar]

94. Hill... don't go away mad, just GO AWAY!

[Logical]

95. Feel clueless now?

[pugetres]

96. Wut? Wait...

I thought you said Indiana goes to Hillary...

Bump!

[John Poet]

98. And yet ANOTHER *great prediction* falls flat on its ass.

[GreatGazoo]

99. I like that Michigan button